It’s official: the Junta and Novorussia have agreed to a 12 point ceasefire (no details yet). Lugansk’s leader Igor Plotnitsky declared: ““Most of the points of the protocol correspond with our demands. However, the ceasefire does not mean a shift from our course of breaking away from Ukraine. This is a compulsory measure”.
That was, so to say, the easy part. Now things will get really complicated.
Stay tuned,
The Saker
Thank God for the cease-fire. Let’s not despair for what might yet come, let’s be glad that, for now, the shelling has stopped.
Ceasefire means NATO coming in. UK sending 3,500 thugs. Now what?
Well, atleast Novorussia still lives, I am constantly worried that Moscow actually has as much influnce that western media says and he could order the sell out of Novorussia at any moment either due to some long-term plan or just because he wants to get rid of the sanctions.
I do however not understand how there can be a ceasefire when there are maybe 5000-15000 ukie troops in various pockets.. Will these be able to leave? Will they leave their gear behind? Will they just be let go?
And what are the benefits of this ceasefire to NAF? Once this war stops nobody will want to start it again, but if it is not started again, Ukraine will join NATO and EU or at the very least get flooded by arms.
Ceasefire, schmeeshfire- I’m guessing that more than a few in the Coalition of Retarded Nazis* will say, or think that at least, from fascist Ukrainians to Nato generals to State Dept neocons. But we shall see. I certainly hope this is the beginning of a peace process and an end to the killing. In The Ukraine. If course peace in one place will probably see frustrated AZ “leaders” express their angst by ramping up the bombing of Syraq.
*h/t Jsor @ MoA
Good news, indeed to stop the bloodshed! But also bad news for the Empire of chaos, a cease fire was not in its agenda. What will be the next move of the EUSANATO ???
I have zero expectations that this ceasefire will hold. Like the last one the orks will use it to regroup and rebuild. The ‘private’ battalions, regiments, roti, stripclubs and fish mongers will continue to fight and shoot and Kiev will disavow any connection with the continued hostilities like they did last time. The Grads will continue to fly and be disavowed by Kiev like they did last time. OSCE will continue to turn a blind eye to ork violations like they did last time (Yes, I know that officially OSCE was not monitoring the last cease fire but they were there in some places and blamed all the continuing hostilities on Opolchensya).
Of note, there was no official representative from the junta at the talks, just Kuchma, who is a nobody. This means, in my opinion, that Kiev was not officially in the negotiations and can stop the ‘stand down’ any time they please. That time will be when the 3 regiments in transit including one armor regiment reach their assigned positions and the head ork will order them to attack.
The fat lady isn’t even warming up in her dressing room yet.
Twelve points of an agreement?
That’s like eleven too many.
What are the details?
I totally agree with Paul II. This cease fire agreement is like after Stalingrad and Al Alamein Churchill-Stalin-Hitler arrived to a cease fire, Hitler keeps the whole Europe and Churchill-Stalin gets destroyed cities and bankrupt countries.
You let the whole Ukraine under Nazi control to NATO (oligarchs plus 1%) and two small provinces with the main cities and economies destroyed to the antifascist rebels.
Besides Proshenko can come back with NATO support and air superiority to subdue DPR and LPR later. Furthermore, never underestimate the power of the demoralization between the rebels.
Obi Juan
Just when the junta were about to be brought down on their knees.
This is stupid. Don’t forget the Kiev piglet agreed to the ceasefire while attending the NATO summit in Wales.
In other words, this is part of a well thought out strategy the west put together.
Putin must continue to attack the petrodollar relentlessly.
Why not kill them all?
http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2014/09/05/youve-got-to-read-this-even-though-it-makes-a-number-of-untenable-anti-russian-claims-its-wonderful-field-sociology/
Its a very long read. But it goes to explain how things progrssed in Donetsk since the coup.. It is from the perspective of a football coach.. Who is pro-unity.. But knows seperatists as well. More like a diary of daily events and what happened looking at things from the outside and seeing the changes thats been happening. If you wanted to know how life changed in Donetsk, then this is it.
This seems insane, stop fighting when you’re winning. I want to know about the consilatory leaders that were installed in Novorossia replacing Strelkov and others. How can they and the Kremlin have a plan in the best interest of destroying the fascists, protecting Russian culture in Ukraine, and minimizing the US threat? Are they not just trying to alleviate the sanctions?
Having seen, for example, the жили-были post on colonel cassad yesterday I don’t want to sound like swine, I have been trying to volunteer myself. I’m worried stopping fighting now is not in the best long-interest.
CBC just played a clip featuring Porky from the golf coarse and “he” is claiming that “his” 12 point plan has been signed. Once again “he” is claiming it was “his” plan that was agreed upon and the CBC anchor “confirmed” it was “his” plan…
DumpHarper!
Let’s start numbering the ceasefire agreements.
The last ones were Porky’s alone, and they didn’t last an hour as he shot at the MH-17 site and the inspectors and investigators.
This one we could call Sept. 5, 2014/0001. That gives us a 9999 basis for subsequent ceasefires.
I’m open to any other system that might be better.
One thing certain: Putin has total control over the Novorossian Army top leadership. He said jump and they jumped.
How can you trust an illegitimate Nazified gov’t? This will just give time for Pol Pot Shenko to reload and resupply and coordinate with NATO whose personnel will now escape from Mariupol
Extremely pessimistic about the prospects of this but hopeful that innocents will not be killed in the interim, thankfully
I’ll wait for ceasefire details. Initial reaction – its a mistake, there are two possible outcomes IMO:
1) Even if Ukies would give Novorossia wide autonomy or even leave, junta will consolidate their grip on the rest of South-East regions, thus Novorossia will be just two regions (or less, if going by current “facts on the ground”).
2) Greater probability is, US will press their puppets to continue war, and Ukies will use ceasefire to prepare and arm (with NATO help and with better field commanders) new divisions and then break the ceasefire (blaming partisans, ofc), fighting will be much tougher for Novorossia. Ukie will prepare better defense on Novorossia borders and freeing other regions will be much more difficult too.
Bottom line, IMO Novorossia should have maximized their breakthrough, milking panic retreat of Ukies as much as possible. After most (or all) of South-East is freed, THEN negotiations would have been much more favorable to Novorossia.
Then I hope the NAF is ready to fight 4000 NATO elite soldiers.
http://rt.com/news/185444-nato-rasmussen-spearhead-force/
There is another side to this ceasefire.
Putin’s plan (and this is his effort) changes the sanctioning regime which will help on the other side of the sanctions the Germans and the French.
He has the power in his hands to turn sanctions on and off like he can with the gas.
Putin relieves Russia, but the effect is also the idiots in Europe get relief as they stop shooting themselves in the foot with sanctions against Russia.
Maybe the apples will be next?
That NATO Rapid Deployment force might be sent to Poland to swiftly pick and eat those excess apples.
Or the apples might be used in cluster bombs to drop on Iraq. There are endless possibilities.
Where is Peter Sellers when we need him?
The Mouse That Roared II.
Though I think he’d call it ‘Brussels Sprouts’ in honor of Fogs and the NATO piglets.
If it wasn’t all written on the tragedy of blood and flesh, this whole Ukraine project of the Hegemon would be a comic farce.
One thing to consider: Ukraine/sanctions have caused tensions within the Eurasian Union. Remember that Clinton said the US would do everything to undermine it, и вот. If somehow this ceasefire can somehow calm things amongst the Советский Народ and help hold it together, that would be a greater good. Though I *sorely* want to see Tiraspol and Odessa within the EaU.
Like some of the poster above, I remain skeptical for now until some hard evidence of a cease-fire on the ground becomes visible.
BTW, Infowars.com just posted a good piece on Jack Matlock, our last ambassador to the USSR. Matlock has been skeptical of NATO expansion, and very critical of US/Europe on the Ukraine issue:
http://www.infowars.com/former-u-s-ambassador-to-the-soviet-union-the-u-s-and-nato-are-provoking-the-ukrainian-crisis/
Been around too long to accept much at face value. Why is this deal being done now? Look what is coming on Tuesday.
Are we looking at a backdoor US/Russia deal going down here? What the report says and Russia’s reaction will be quite interesting.
The Dutch Safety Board plan to announce their preliminary findings on Tuesday http://www.theguardian.com/world/201…inary-findings
They seem to have looked at quite a variety of evidence and they have said that they will not apportion blame. However, from its reaction to date, Russia clearly believes that it has been slandered by the US/Kiev instantly blaming the downing on them/militia and then producing no hard evidence to support it.
My interest is in Russia’s response to the report given their stance to date at the UN demanding the Kiev ATC tapes as a minimum. If we do not hear that again or it is very muted then it could be that Russia has agreed to back down as part of a deal.
JohninMK
Huh?
“NEWPORT, September 5 (RIA Novosti) – NATO and Ukraine did not discuss the possibility of the Eastern European country’s membership in the military alliance, a NATO official said Friday.
“In regard to membership, no, that question wasn’t raided and wasn’t discussed,” the official said on conditions of anonymity.”
http://en.ria.ru/politics/20140905/192670973/Official-Ukraines-NATO-Membership-Not-Discussed-at-Meeting-in.html
So all this other stuff is basically hot air? Or things we plan to do anyhow regardless of whether whatever-ends-up-being-Ukraine ends up in NATO. I’m thinking more likely the latter…
We don’t seem to have much interest in actually resolving the problems we create; we just go off and make more. Kind of like maybe that’s the point of it.
But another part of that is that the US, at least, really doesn’t know how to admit defeat. The South never has, Russia won WWII and 99% of Americans Know. That. Not., we’ve made a resounding mess of every war since, including Grenada, which had the relative proportions of a mastodon and a molecule. And there’s still a whole chunk of the population who refuse to recognize that not only did we resoundingly lose in Vietnam, there was never any way short of, yup, bombing it back to the Stone Age (which we almost did) that could possibly have brought any other outcome. So really, another of Russia, and Novorossiya’s challenges here is to figure out not just how to stop all the nonsense we’re doing there right now, but somehow prevent us from trying any more of it in the future. At least there, though it’d be nice to put in an order for, oh, I don’t know, the whole planet maybe?
Does anyone actually know what the 12 points are? I’ve been trying to find them, but can’t seem to yet.
I guess we could place odds on whether the points are made public before or after the agreement is violated… (~: and yeah, I don’t much trust the Junta: why do you ask? :~)
If this agreement holds at all it would be a very welcome pause for the civilians and a very alert, but really deserved one for the resistance fighters.
I fear Yats and Yarosh will not agree with the deal, and might even try to stage a coup. Truthful reporters will be worth their weight in gold!
mr Putin will have all his intelligence assets ready, and any cheating on the part of the west will be answered in a tit for tat manner, I think.
Which will make many blackwater and nazi types look at the grass from below! (In a way, I´m almost anticipating this- although this is not a very noble feeling).
Perhaps the USSR should have agreed to a ceasefire after Stalingrad. We have seen many ceasefires in Yugoslavia and the Donbass, and they haven’t been against the Empire.
Come to think of it, Hitler and Stalin may have had less distance apart on their positions in 1943 than is found in the current war.
The Ukies get back 1000 prisoners of war. That’s a battalion of sorts. Now they have someone to issue those rusty bullets to. What an Army of Ukraine!
The other side of the madness is this: Russia’s MIC will sell tens of thousands of GRADS to any nation that fears NATO in the future or ISIS now. GRADS win wars. Russian armaments, in the hands of veteran users, win battles. The firepower is proven. It is very mobile, has good range and tremendous effectiveness.
AQ/Ayman al-Zawahiri just announced it wanted to move into India, Bangladesh and Southeast Asia, so I suspect salesmen from Russia will be on the next plane to Delhi and Dhaka with a Powerpoint and Youtube videos.
I’m long (as ZH likes to say) Russian armaments.
Cdn says:
I suspect this ceasefire will collapse very quickly.
There is already significant evidence of JRF angered over their treatment by the government. They were ill led, under-trained, under equipped, deployed as cannon fodder and then abandoned.
Now they must face the fact that all that suffering and loss of life was in vain. Poroshenko will be viewed as an enemy and a sell out. Despite the pending elections I expect some form of conflict to erupt in Kiev. This will take the place of JRF forces seeking to displace the politicians and / or will result in conflict between JRF forces and forces loyal to either the Junta or to an individual oligarch.
A possible parallel with the ceasefire in the Ukraine is the ceasefire in Vietnam in early 1973. While the VC at the time were seemingly confined to outlying parts of South Vietnam, two years later they took over the country.
This ceasefire sounds horrible, just horrible.
I’m almost lost for words.
The novorossians seems to get royally f’ed over.
I hope the details is more upbeat.
Its REDICULES to think that the extreme nazis and oligarchs who has burnt people alive in odessa, downed a civilian airplane for blaming the novorossians, massacred and bombed people with heavy artillery, killed several journalists, tortured even more, killed and/or tortured opposition politicians judges police etc for not submitting to the nazi coup.
Now suddenly going to threat novorosdians fair and equal?
Not a chance!!.
The ukr coup gov will use this time to regroup, get alot of nato weapons (and even nato soldiers!), etc
Its just stupid.
The ukr coup gov will then in a months time either:
1. Re-attack novorossia with NEW much more advanced weapons!.
That army will be trained by professional internation instructors.
(So much more tactic and equiped).
Or:
2. Ukraine gets submitted into nato or something.
And then afterwards they will attack novorossians.
Basicly a loose-loose situation for novorossia.
Welcome to bitchville. (Only escape is death or flee out of ukraine/novorossia).
someone go take a screenshot of
http://www.bbc.com/news/
nice picture of the Azov battalion as the lede.
Think it’s more a case of incredible stupidity on the part of the editor than malice. (Hanlon’s Law)
And thus Putin continues to fall right into the trap of the West- ceasefire, WHERE have we heard that before?
Oh, yes, that’s right- the ‘Game’ Israel plays with the Palestinians. The ‘Game’ where any possible move by the Palestinians is defined as a LOSING move by the ‘rules’ and any move by the Israelis is defined as a winning move.
Putin and Russia are being demonised in ever more vicious ways by the Jewish controlled press of the West. And part of this process is pre-emptively defining all possible actions by Putin as justification for further demonisation.
Take the most recent Israeli Genocide in Gaza.
1) the mainstream media supported this genocide more than any previous attack on the Palestinians
2) the politicians of the West were never more united than in their overt support for this recent genocide
3) the genocide was more murderous and destructive than any previous attack against the Palestinians post-1967
4) the Palestinians, in the lead up to the genocide, had never been more peaceful to the Israelis.
This is how the West operates- the more accommodating and reasonable a target acts, the more the West is able to demonise that target, in order to inflict maximum damage.
Saddam before the invasion. Gaddafi before the invasion. The nations of both leaders were fatally attacked AFTER the leaders had made a point of kneeling before the West and acceding to all their diplomatic demands.
Putin is trying the same dreadful tactic. Crawling to the West while thinking himself ‘sneaky’. The monsters of the West can dismiss any amount of ‘sneaky’. Theirs is a propaganda game, where the monsters empower themselves with the passive support of the sheeple.
Putin had one chance, and one chance only, to defeat the monsters at their own game- sending in the peacekeepers to end the conflict before it had a chance to get started. This move he did not make.
Now Putin thinks “the more reasonable I act, the stronger my position becomes”. But this is logically the same as saying “you can negotiate with true terrorists”. Putin is attempting to negotiate with the Demons that rule the West.
Everyone with a brain KNOWS Putin is creating an independent Novorussia- although Putin thinks it is convenient to have useful idiots argue otherwise at this time. The monsters know they gave Putin no choice when their agent, Victoria Nuland, successfully oversaw the coup in Kiev. And the monsters know that each stage of Putin’s ‘sneaky’ plan to bring independence is another opportunity to seriously hurt Russia.
Today, after badly messing up by rejecting the peace-keeper option, Putin is faced with a need to make an every magnifying hyper-aggressive move to match the warmongering of the West. If he fails to do this, he is the West’s B*tch, and loses. If he makes a move matching the warmongering of the West, the world takes a major step toward WW3, and the Demons win.
It seems to be Russian diplomacy. When Syria was winning, Russia would push for ceasefires that seriously helped Syria’s enemies. Maybe those in the Foreign Ministry get bonuses or overtime for all the bad agreements they create? Imagine all the positive annual job evaluations that say how you did a great job by getting ten ceasefires in the Ukraine, all at a time that helped the US?
Ummmm…does anyone else feel like they’re being played here…cause I sure as chit do…
Oh Mary. This “ceasefire” may be a front to let the mercs (US, Israeli) off the battlefield before NAF finishes the job. I know. I know. I was lamenting yesterday the loss of life on both sides. But I hope Nuland’s mercs get what they deserve.
Strategy is unfolding and I am not privy to it. Hope it means advantage Novorussia.
BTW — you guys see that Obama missed the big NATO-Ukraine meeting to finish his golf game? Is that not absolutely hilarious. Honestly, the guy (for whom I did not vote!) is beginning to grow on me. If I was the puppet — and just took orders from the ZOGs — I’d be on a golf course too. I’m starting to think BO is sending us more than subliminal messages. Where’s Mohamed? If he’s right about Obama and Putin — then I might need to study Sufi. Or something.
Onward…
re Paul II said…
“Come to think of it, Hitler and Stalin may have had less distance apart on their positions in 1943 than is found in the current war.”
Re: Stalin (slightly OT): On a recent tour in Russia, the guides, very religious around Moscow (not in St. Petersburg), after some obligatory comments about how bad Stalin was, always added that he beat the Germans and that he freed the Church.
Relax! A cease fire is good. Civilians need a break from the evil barrage raining phosphor and grads. Winter is coming. A humanitarian catastrophe is in the making. General winter is coming. The East has to quickly rebuild and provide heat and food.
Poroshenko has admitted defeat and Yats is going stridently nuts. Those encircled troops need to demobilize and go home. They need to leave their gear as is and where is. There is no fuel supply to take the gear and equipment back home. Ukraine is broke and at risk of not getting their usual free ride on gas supply.
NATO’s rapid reaction force of 4,000 can’t do anything against armor and Grads. The proposed fast reaction force is similar to Russia’s “polite men in green.” Russia announced an upcoming drill for which their own Spetsnaz will act as the enemy. That should tell them what is in store for them. Russia could deploy this polite men in green in Crimea as they could blend in with Russians in Crimea. How can a multinational rapid deployment force deploy and blend in Ukraine?
France lost credibility as a world weapon supplier. Buyers do not like to take risks. France and Germany are trying to backpedal in the sanctions department. NATO has lost and now you hear Fog of War Rasmussen making more conciliatory remarks about the ceasefire.
Winter is coming. Putin has all the cards and he knows it.
per RIA: Donetsk is still being shelled three hours after supposed cease fire:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140905/192674457/Artillery-Shelling-Continues-in-Donetsk-Despite-Ceasefire.html
Hère se go… Obama saying NATO nations to send “aid” to Ukraine.
This is one of the reasons I was really baffled by the Sake’s optimism last night.
Those people have only one goal: protect the petrodollar at all costs.
Why is this so hard to understand?
What a terrible news! As if Kolo & alikes would stick to it?!
Remember what happened after the Geneva agreement: more escalation after regrouping of the junta forces. This is just the last chance for saving the zionazis caught in the trap. Once the leafs fall, the junta, being helped by nato ghouls in all ways possible, will have an advantage in numbers over the NAF, & the bloodshed will continue simply because ZUSA isnt’ interested in any kind of peace.
Zionazis feel there is lot more to milk out of the conflict, especially in terms of harming Russia directly.
Putin reminds me of Milosevic more & more by trying to be “the factor of peace” who meets one ZATO demand after another whereby it becomes acceptable to sacrifice some part of population in order to “save the rest.” Idiotism! They will come fore everything, and for the rest as well.
Another thing Kremlin must take into consideration: Russian people are sacrificing many things for higher goals (freedom of Novorossians from the zionazis), & if that trust is squandered, never again will Kremlin be able to gather the support for similar needs in the future. In other words, Kremlin is undermining itself by agreeing to something they know will not be honored. It’s a huge responsibility to take upon themselves, & if they fail, they’ll fail forever along with Russia, of course.
All of this I am basing on the experience of Serbia which I have lived through.
Thus, I hope, Novorossians are just playing the game while continuing with the deratization.
The key statement of Novorussia is: the ceasefire does not mean a shift from our course of breaking away from Ukraine. This is a compulsory measure,”
Still Intend to Secede from Ukraine
I am delighted the DPR was represented by his most honourable Mr. Alexander Zakharchenko, a man of much intelligence, steeped in the art of negotiatin, strategy.
Latest from RIA
Someone did not receive Porky’s Twitter feed. Ah, the shelling continues despite cease fire agreement
. . . . .
Some not with it:
I read at RIA: Ukie soldiers and the mayor of Mariupol consider any cease-fire agreement a betrayal by Porky. Each side will Keep Positions held when Cease-fire begins. ..Kiev will not redeploy http://en.ria.ru/world/20140905/192674826/Ukraine-Conflict-Sides-to-Keep-Positions-They-Held-When.html.
Likely, DPR gave up a key demand?
Full withdrawal of Kiev troops
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Where is Arse Yatz? Keep a close eye on him. The chosen one intends to have his Wall, all of 2,300 km of it, keep out the terrorists:
Ukrainian government intends to approve Yatsenyuk’s border wall plan
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/748326
Perhaps Nuttyahoo may contribute the expertise. But the funding from where?
~ ~ ~ ~
AM
This is how the normal Ukrainians think and anyone think a peace is possible? This is exactly the kind of thinking that precedes a clenching. Remember, Hitler came to power when 20% of German voters thought it was the right thing to do. Once 10% of the population thinks they are the chosen ones to lead the people, things take a life of their own.
from the link I posted earlier.. It was kinda shocking even if I was expecting it.
And so imagine if for two decades you have been trying to pull your country, bit by bit, into Europe. Imagine that it’s been a bumpy road – everything you accomplish seems to get sabotaged by the political forces from the east. Imagine that finally the contradictions within your country have come to a breaking point. Imagine that all the people who opposed your politics for twenty years – all the most backward, poorest, least successful people in the country – got together in one place, declared an independent republic, and took up arms? What would you do? You could let them go. But then you’d lose all that land and its industrial capacity and also what kind of country just lets chunks of itself fall off? Perhaps you could think of it as an opportunity. Something similar happened when the old Stalinists and nationalists took over the Supreme Soviet in Moscow in 1993. All the enemies of progress in one place, all the losers and has-beens: wouldn’t it be better just to solve the problem once and for all? Wouldn’t it be a better long-term solution just to kill as many as you could and scare the shit out of the rest of them, for ever? This is what I heard from respectable people in Kiev. Not from the nationalists, but from liberals, from professionals and journalists. All the bad people were in one place – why not kill them all?
Colonel Cassad’s take:
In general, it is as I wrote earlier, more favorable to the junta, which is urgently needed respite for the military realignment and restore connectivity front. Well, the negotiations themselves are a step in the direction of “Boloshogo Transdniestria” separation from Ukraine two other areas, but at the same time distancing prospects for creating a Greater New Russia, which remains essentially in such hands, under the rule of the fascist junta.
The question of how could the leadership of New Russia not to sign a truce is not essential, necessary permutations for this decision was made a little earlier, and all the possible obstacles to achieving a truce were eliminated starting with the shooting. Therefore, this contract if he signed the same (as long as the text has not been published, and links go to insider sources) and begins to act, reflects primarily the current foreign policy of the Kremlin in respect of Donbass.
However, so far no clear terms of the armistice, whether it will be generally adhered to and will kakovoa line of demarcation. Given the position of the United States interested in the continuation of the war, there is great reason to believe that even if a truce is reached, it will be all-just a pause before resuming hostilities.
Well, if the media rushed and the contract is not signed, it is altogether wonderful and army Novorossia can continue the attack and defeat the remaining boilers.
Question of the day:
Why is a reporter from the supposedly liberal Guardian (UK) embedded with the Azov battalion? WTF?
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Shaun Walker, the Guardian’s Moscow correspondent, currently near Mariupol tweets: As ceasefire time comes, all quiet at eastern checkpoint. Azov fighters chilling, sceptical it’ll last.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29082368
https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7
https://twitter.com/shaunwalker7/status/507908469551542272/photo/1
What if the purpose of the ceasefire is to goad the Nazguards to stage a coup and thus destroy the credibility of the (purported) Ukie governement?
the ceasefire is on in Novorussia, but the empire’s war against Russia continues. Not much has changed, this is not a just nor will it be a lasting peace.
Based on Obama’s statement at the end of the NATO summit, and legions of other considerations, it is clear that the West will continue to push Russia, a very dangerous and potentially fatal game. It is totally foolish for Russia to try to deal with insane people who are not acting in accordance with reality. They are either delusional or treacherous, treasonous traitors, or probably both. They are simply not rational. When this ends, it will end very badly, otherwise it will not end. I curse those who have brought the world to this point, and prey to God for mercy at the time of the end. The ultimate and inevitable judgment for the 1% does not figure to be pleasant.
Did you see Poroshenko’s statement posted on his website?
After relentless bombardment of civilians in cities/villages, he now declares that “The highest value is human life”
Unlimited hypocrisy.
Nora wrote:
“Does anyone actually know what the 12 points are? I’ve been trying to find them, but can’t seem to yet.”
Absurd, if real (click image to display all 14):
https://twitter.com/A_J_S_B/status/507930214220201984
The West (Obama and the media) are calling the 12 point plan Porky’s Plan.
So, there’s the first twist.
Then there’s Putin’s original 7 point plan.
Novorossiya wanted some points.
This Antler Trophy with 12 or 14 pts seems like a mishmash. Porky’s office calls the signing ‘protocols’ ahead of a ceasefire agreement. so maybe the ceasefire agreement isn’t even agreed to yet.
IN Vietnam peace talks it took three years to decide the shape of the table to sit at and discuss things. Kissinger really bellyached about that nasty tactic.
It’s looking good for failure. And of course, it will. The sooner, the better for everyone.
I think it will make it until mid-next week before it needs a repair kit patch and then pumped back up with more hot air.
I wrote yesterday about negotiations as tactic. The Bear has its claws dug in. Hasn’t bitten off a chunk yet. Just early stage mauling.
Eventually, October will come. And by late October the Elites will be sunning their asses in warm climates, and the Kiev frost will numb the nazi fervor until the spring thaw.
Putin is folding Ukraine along its dotted lines. It’s easier to tear apart if you crease the paper before you rip it.
A Cease fire is a great Idea. The RF can now send in crews to fix the water & energy plants destroyed by the junta.
Meanwhile, the NAF needs to stay vigilant & continue to bring in new recruits to bolster their forces for the upcoming resumption of hostilities.
http://rt.com/news/185396-ukraine-ceasefire-russia-militia/
On this photo on russia today, we don’t see anybody representing the Ukes. Are they really part of this cease fire??
Given that the USA wants a continuation of civil war, in order to weaken Russia and especially to a compliant weakling regime change,how long will this last before the Pravy Sektor violates the ceasefire? And blame it on Russia, of course.
At what time should hostilities recommence, Washington? After a re-supply perhaps?
The ceasefire may indeed allow the Ukrainians to regroup, but what it will also do is clear the region of junta troops allowing the NAF to set up a new defensive line. More importantly, it’ll allow them to show themselves as the ‘bigger man’ increasing their support throughout the entire region… and the returning troops will help further overturn junta propaganda concerning the civil war thus far.
As for Ukraine being resupplied with more modern equipment, I doubt very much that the West is going to shell out yet more billions to pay for new war materiel after the gross incompetence demonstrated thus far. Kiev will be irredeemably bankrupt very soon now and hopefully won’t have the time or resources to look beyond suppressing its own increasingly hostile people.
Pork in the Fogh ,had their orders.
Do.Not.Trust.Them.
All that blood and suffering for this? NO WAY JOSE.
A good job its not my shout,Kiev watch out.Where is Strelkov when you need him?
XbNB
This is direcrly connected to the coming winter. I hope. Electricity, water, central heating – all need to be fixed within a very short period of time. In 45-60 days temperatures begin to drop to the freezing level.
I expect massive effort on the part of Russia and Novorossia to make prompt repairs. If Mariupol is left to junta, then Novoazovsk port needs to be refitted to be able to receive ships with armaments from Abkhazia.
If, however, I am wrong and it is the beginning of the end of Novorossia, then Putin is a politically dead man in Russia, as well as in the West. I don’t think he can afford such a betrayal, but only time will tell.
I trust Putin, and I trust the NAF leaders, and I do see a sliver of daylight between their respective public positions, perhaps – but not enough to disagree at this point. NAF is doing this because it sees benefit here.
What if the thinking is to give Kiev some room to explode into its own chaos? With no way to blame the “enemy”?
We haven’t seen a ceasefire actually cease yet, but maybe this one will. Maybe the horse will sing.
I like that expression of Saker – give time to time.
Saker, or any other readers,
does anybody know how the Ukrainians that are cut off in the numerous cauldrons in Novorossiya are to be addressed? Are the to be provided safe passage back to Ukraine?
If they are allowed to return it means that Novorossiya will have complete control of approximately half of Donetsk and Lugansk Oblasts. Despite their battle successes they have had trouble “being everywhere at once” and were open to the Ukrainian Army being able to move about somewhat in Novorossiya due to their numerical superiority and cut off offensives of the NAF.
If the ceasefire holds they will get a chance to build a Novorossiya. The term Novorossiya was unknown in the Western world, now many of us are aware of it and use it.
And best of all, civilians will be safe and their nightmare will be over.
The ceasefire likely won’t hold all that being said.
Stepping Razor
Actually, it would be a good thing. Novorussia gets a much deserved rest (and more aid from Russia), and time to consolidate defenses and plug holes in the front. Ukie army are beyond saving by now, as Saker said, we can expect the more rabid Nazis to foam at the mouth and fight Porky over this. There is also the Euromaidanites who Tymoshenko threatened to use if Porky won the election and who could very easily begin rioting again, if only to make Tymoshenko look as more obedient to the US masters than Porky. All considered, this ceasefire buys time – and don’t forget winter is coming. Time is on Russia’s side, every week brings the Ukies closer to collapse.
Of course, all of this *if* the EU/NATO creeps are going to actually keep their word. I’ve already heard that moron Rasmussen and the useless italian PM Renzi doubting Russia’s commitment in this, and Obama going on the same lines (which, translated, sounds like “i’ll make it fail no matter what”). I’d say we’ll have to expect turmoil on the political level for Ukraine and at least one false flag attack. I’d bet NATO’s already dispersing saboteurs and snipers all around.
A ceasefire was agreed after the crash of MH17. It lasted until Kiev decided to attack again. Let’s hope that Kiev will respect this one.
The main driving force in the East has been Kolomoyskyi and his private battalions. Kolomoyskyi owns Burisma, which has grabbed the rights to all the huge amount of natural gas sitting underneath Novorussia…as long as that country remains part of the Ukraine. Hundreds of billions of dollars worth. Burisma is the company that hired Hunter Biden, son of VP Joe, and Devon Archer, director of “former” CIA front company Diamondback Tactical, for directors.
If the peace holds and Novorussia secedes, Joe Biden’s family stands to lose what, a billion dollars in kickbacks.
And Kolomoyskyi stands to lose tens of billions of dollars in profits.
Neither Kolomoyskyi nor Joe Biden were invited to the peace process. They have zero, zilch incentive to make it happen. They have every incentive to sabotage it. Remember who was behind the Odessa massacre, taking the coordination of thousands of people.
I give it five days tops.
For more information, google for yourself, or start with:
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Stench_of_Corruption
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/05/15/bide-m15.html
and interesting speculations at
http://greatgameindia.com/mh17-chameleon-operation-rapid-trident-ii/
Barn Owl:
Poro announced the cease fire with alacrity at the Celtic Manor, so he may still get to retain some assets or even his life BUT the returning POW’s may be bent on retribution.
There could be a coup shortly and he and Yats may be greatly disadvantaged. ISIS is a bigger worry to NATO than NovoRussia and who would want to risk good troops and equipment to prop up this bunch of malcontents and psychopaths-but-stranger things have happened at sea. I have no doubt that VVP will be thinking several moves ahead….
The cease fire will save lives, at least for the period it lasts. That’s good in general.
The cease fire will allow the regular and punisher/punitive battalions to return home or go to Kiev to take part in the “democracy festival” ongoing in Maidan. That’s bad news for Petro and the scapegoats for the military failure.
Finally, the ceasefire will soon force Kiev to account for the dead/missing. If the death figures are anywhere near what’s been around, e.g., >10,000, that’s a lot of explaining to do for an extremely upset set of family and friends of the deceased or missing. More big trouble for Kiev.
The series of victories won with blood will now continue without anyone firing a shot.
An idea anyone? What trick does the West have up it’s sleeve to demonstrate to the whole world that the Novrussian army broke the cease fire? Once they got this lie out successfully they’ll bring in the attack force they created in Cardiff and maybe a lot more. Novorussia will have to carefully observe these guys like you would observe a magician in a show demonstrating how he’ll get your watch off you without you noticing. So there is no time to even blink. Of course…. I wish to be wrong…
Seems to me that Putin wants this headache over, but I think it’s unwise, as Novyrussia have not completely defended themselves from punitive forces.
Ukraine still wants the land, and may well strike again in the future with nato weapons and nato-trained troops.. would be much more difficult to succeed
To Anonymous, 15:47
“Sister, calm yourself!” (Andrew Davies, P&P 1995)
It is a ceasefire, not a peace signed.
And as I don’t see how Poroshenko may enforce it among his, say, conflicting troops, not speaking of the US, we can guess it will not last long, it will very likely be breached by a party among the Ukies, then the war will go on and new discussions will take place… and more people will die…
TR
This EU climb down is welcomed and should be published far and wide. I will breath normally as, with the rare exception of WSJ, the western presstitutes will avoid correcting the damage;
Recall: only a few days ago MSM reported Mr. Putin said he could take Kiev in 2 weeks? Then the RF’s FM office gave an ultimatum that the entire transcript would be published in 48 hrs.
Well then: EU has caved– in a written response to the Wall Street Journal (WSJ)
admits Putin’s comment on ‘storming Kiev’ taken out of context
“The EU has admitted that Vladimir Putin’s words about “taking Kiev in two weeks” had been “made public out of context,” said a spokeswoman for the European Commission President in a written response to The Wall Street Journal.”
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An apology, kinda.
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The MH17 tapes
Please publish the voice recording of Kiev’s confiscated ATC and the airplane’s black boxes.
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AM
It may be a bit too early for schadenfreude but RIA-Novosti still has soooo many good pieces up right now, and maybe a serial mini-gloat is alright? ;~) So, in no particular order, pls. enjoy the following:
Alexander Mercouris on the EU’s Russia policy and happily-forgotten lies: http://en.ria.ru/analysis/20140902/192573336/The-EU-and-Russia-Policy-Happily-Forgotten-Lies.html
Three of the terms are a ceasefire, prisoner exchange and humanitarian aid:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140905/192676834/Minsk-Meeting-Over-Sides-Agree-on-Ceasefire-Prisoner-Swap-and.html
Obama says sanctions may be lifted if the ceasefire continues:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140905/192676834/Minsk-Meeting-Over-Sides-Agree-on-Ceasefire-Prisoner-Swap-and.html
Okay, okay, grinning isn’t *really* gloating, is it?
But there’s more, just head on over for such other goodies as “Kiev Hopes Ceasefire in East Ukraine Will Be Long-Term”, “Kiev Ready to Start Prisoner Swap ‘Right Now'”, and “US Urges 10 NATO Nations to Form Coalition Against Islamic State”…
I really, really don’t want to jinx this but it kinda looks like we really, really have been playing tiddly-winks. I just thought it was snark when I said that a while back, I didn’t *really* think it was real. But the only winners so far in any of this – – – oh, oh, oh, I forgot one. Here, try this (especially if you’re of, ahem, a certain age…)
“http://en.ria.ru/world/20140905/192677605/Rosneft-PetroVietnam-to-Establish-Joint-Ventures-on-Pechora-Sea.html”
So, is it really true that what goes around, comes around… in Cyrillic? ;~)
Auslander said…05 September, 2014 14:31
“I have zero expectations that this ceasefire will hold. Like the last one the orks will use it to regroup and rebuild…”
Nora said…05 September, 2014 15:25
“Does anyone actually know what the 12 points are? I’ve been trying to find them, but can’t seem to yet.
I guess we could place odds on whether the points are made public before or after the agreement is violated…”
Sounds like a very safe bet, Nora.
Given the war is being run by the Israeli mentality in the ZPC/NWO, with that sort of cowardly anything they can get away with opportunistic lack of character, I see that side never following any agreements they make and continuing on as usual.
My suspicion is Novorossia and Russia are providing them more rope to hang themselves with.
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This deal is lose-lose for Novorussia and for Russia as a whole. Putin is more the CEO of Russia Inc. than a Russian Patriot. Where is the recognition of Novorussia? Where is the linked and forced withdrawal of nazis from Donbass? This ceasefire-trap is very useful for the Nazi Junta. They need to regroup and rearm after the epic disaster. NAF wins nothing. Novorussia needs a helping hand not a CEO always ready to appease the “western partners”
I could be entirely wrong about this. I’ll be upfront: maybe I’m talking out of my butt.
But oh lordy, hasn’t it already started again. Putin’s selling out Novorussia! Putin’s a quisling! Putin’s a coward.
Maybe. Maybe so.
But I’ve heard this defeatest refrain before. I’ve read the sad posts. I’ve listened to people saying it was all over. And guess what? They were wrong.
Putin isn’t done, if you want my opinion. Putin hasn’t betrayed Novorossia, or the DNR or the LNR. Putin is willing for Novorussia to bleed . . . but not because he doesn’t care, it’s because Russia understands the need to suffer sometimes to achieve your goals.
Maybe I’m wrong. Time will tell. Remember: despair is a sin.
Remember that some million Russians died when chasing Germans across Eastern Europe. If Ukies withdraw their forces, it will be huge relief for local population and less Novorossia soldiers will die as well. Also while negotiations take place the lie about Ukie losses will slowly fall apart as units return and describe what they saw. What Novorossia really needs is public knowledge and negative sentiment against further mobilizations and fighting. Once the war is paused it may be hard for junta to start it again.
I have yet to hear any official confirmation from Alexander Zakharchenko, until then I will remain sceptical.
Indeed, it looks horrible on the surface. But what about suspending judgement and learn what is to unfold? As Saker says, now it is to get more complex. Do not expect the ceasefire to be kept by no one. It is not meant to , by design, in the first place. We shall learn soon and not all in a single stroke.
Patagonian
From a Greek reader of this interesting blog
Dear Saker
I understand that , apart from your analytical skills and solid knowledge of strategic and military matters , you are an afficionado of political and military history…
As a contribution to the analysis you are probably planning about this recent ceasefire , I would dare to attract your attention to the Varkiza Agreement of 1945 between the Greek Left Resistance fighters and the British, at the time protectors of my country. ( The term AngloZionists you use can be attributed easily to this instance ).
After the signatures were confirmed, the leading figure of the Left Resistance , a man bathed in gunpowder and blood by the name of Aris Velouhiotis said the following :
“Rendez vous at the fur skinners”
History proved him utterly right….! ( He commited suicide some months later , encircled by fascists and betrayed by his own comrades. )
I sincerely hope that this will not be the case for ( say ) Alexey Mozgovoy , but I must confess my almost instictive pessimism.
A Greek supporter of Novorussia.
Anonymous 05 September, 2014 15:47 “This ceasefire sounds horrible, just horrible.”
Not necessarily. We don’t have all available information to make such a judgement call.
A continued ground war only hurts civilians and the pawn/cannon fodder Ukrainian youths. This would serve to further drive a wedge between Eastern and Western Ukraine which is in the anglo-zionist’s interests. On the other hand, a united and enlightened Ukraine that was fully aware of how they were misled and co-opted would be a true victory for Russia.
There is a growing unrest within Western Ukraine and Kiev’s civilian population despite the relentless propaganda they are subjected to. It could be Putin’s intent to expose the manipulations and atrocities committed against the Ukrainians and Novorussians and unite them as a solid force against the Global Hegemon.
Think back to how Crimea was saved without firing a single shot. Would it have been better for Russia to rush in with guns blazing? Could you imagine the what a field day journalists would have had?
The ceasefire is a trap, there will be soon a false flag. Obama is preparing already ‘more sanctions” in the case “the separatists” do not keep part of the bargain. The other empty shell of Hollande has postpone again the delivery of Mistral. President Putin, please be aware that they do not like losing. They really must thinks we are idiots.
It is not just a power shortage in Ukraine without Russian gas and Novorussiya coal. Belgium just announced that 55% OF the nuclear power will be offline this winter. Could the lights go out at NATO headquarters?
http://blogs.wsj.com/brussels/2014/08/22/belgiums-nuclear-fiasco-spreads-panic-sort-of/
Isis is moving to India…which means that US plans to destabilize BRIC nations.
In Ukraine they will regroup their forces, Ukraine will be in Nato and then they will attack Novorussia. Can anyone see it in the Kremlin?