By Salah Lamrani (Sayed Hasan)
On September 9, 2015, Sayed Ali Khamenei, Iran’s Supreme Leader, repeated the Islamic Republic’s commitment, in word and deed, to liberate Palestine and put an end to the so-called State of Israel, the last colony on Earth, just as vicious as it is anachronical. He stated that in spite of the nuclear deal, the USA or “Great Satan and enemy of the peoples”, worse than the Devil himself, are never to be trusted, as they cannot possibly depart from their imperialist policies, and should therefore always be considered as enemies with whom any negotiation or contact is forbidden. Iran can and should only rely on its own people and development to preserve itself from external threats and aggressions, he said.
Subtitled extract of Sayed Khamenei speech : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Pd0NDPUog
As regards Israel, the ‘Zionist Entity’, Sayed Khamenei predicted that within 25 years, there will be no such thing on the map of the Middle East, confirming the Islamic Republic’s long-stated position and vision, summed up by Imam Khomeini’s famous 1979 sentence : ‘Israel is a cancerous tumour that must be wiped out of existence’. In fact, ever since the Islamic Revolution, Iran has always been the spearhead and main supporter and provider of the armed struggle against Israel, helping the Palestinian and Lebanese Resistance factions and the Syrian state in every possible way (financially, militarily, diplomatically, by providing training and expertise, etc.), declaring repeatedly that it would help any country or force fighting Israel. In November 2014, at the height of the war against ISIS/ISIL and of the P5 + 1 nuclear negotiations, Sayed Khamenei explicitly underlined the necessity to arm the Palestinians of the West Bank in order to open a new frontline against Israel and liberate more occupied territories. Around the same time, Sayed Hassan Nasrallah evoked the same issue for the Syrian Golan Heights, where a high-level Iranian Revolutionary Guards presence has been confirmed in January 2015. And even after the nuclear deal, Sayed Khamenei confirmed this stance, saying that Iran’s support to the struggle against Israel was unnegotiable and would only increase, IRGC commanders stating that Israeli officials and assets should not feel safe anywhere in the world. Indeed, one cannot be more seriously committed to the destruction of Israel. Hezbollah and Iran proved once again that they are both masters in the art of turning a threat into an opportunity.
Of course, Netanyahu voiced his country’s despair in his October 1st UN speech, entirely devoted to Iran. Though his accusations of genocidal intentions are nonsense (Israel started and will end just like French Algeria, with the settlers packing back to their loving West, the only genocide committed being the one suffered by the indigenous populations), his ridiculous performance and pathetic 45-seconds ‘staring-contest’ defiance shows very eloquently the ‘legitimate’, visceral fears of the illegitimate Judaic State, the exact alter ego of the Islamic State. Body language and charisma (or the lack thereof) say it all: both ISIL and Israel will know the same fate, and happily so, that is extinction. And Iran is playing a major role in both frontlines against fanatical terror, for the greatest interest of the peoples of the region.
Extract of Netanyahu UN Speech : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkcwemwzJyc
What makes this prediction more relevant than ever is that, as Sayed Khamenei said, the Arab-Muslim Nations have awakened, and the last plot hatched against the Middle East’s sovereignty, ISIS/ISIL, is actually turning out as the means of its revival. America and Israel are now more clearly than ever seen by all as the very root of evil in the region, and the slogan “Death to Israel” (and “Death to America”), though initially chanted by Shia crowds (from Iran to Iraq through Lebanon and Yemen), run deeply, consciously or unconsciously, in the heart of the vast majority of Arabs, Muslims, Oppressed people and noble and free men, women and children in this world, and is more and more overtly affirmed by all.
An illustration of this can be seen in many videos from crowds not only burning Israeli (and US) flags all over the world, but also, in a less blatant but perhaps more revealing way, in street TV interviews conducted since at least a year in Arab countries (Tunisia, Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, etc.) where people are merely asked the question “Where is the State of Israel located?” but, most often, refuse to answer. They protest that there is no such thing as an Israeli State, only an usurping, cancerous Zionist entity on the Occupied Territory of Palestine, bound to disappear by all the Human and supra-Human laws and principles (indeed, one can put forward the United Nations, Reason, History, Demography, Moral, Justice, etc.). And undoubtedly, these facts will impose themselves to all, just like the liberation of French Algeria did to the disbelieving French military, settlers and people, who deemed the ineluctable criminal and impossible until the very last moments, and then, as always, reluctantly catched up with reality. One cannot but observe that in addition to Iran’s vision, its very rhetoric has now spread throughout the Arabic and Islamic world, by the mere force of its truth, justice and exemplarity.
Subtitled street interview (Where is Israel located?) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-ABVNF6Pmc
Cairo, October 5, 2015
Finally, Saudi Arabia’s ‘Custodian-of-the-Two-Holy-Sites’ bluff and the alleged but non-existent ‘Sunni-Shia-war’ has been exposed, and the Arab and Muslim peoples are clearly seeing the Saudi regime for what it has always been, a Trojan Horse of Western hegemony, a heresy, the source and provider of terrorism and the very cancer of Islam: ISIS has indeed nothing to do with Islamic teachings, but everything to do with Muhammad b. Abd-al-Wahhab’s and the House of Saud, whose vision they faithfully implement. Before the Western interference, the Islamic World knew how to deal with their predecessor, Ibn Taymiyya, a very marginal, rabid figure who spent most of his time in the dungeons he belonged to. And were it not for the direct involvement of British Imperialism, the Saudi Arabian regime would never have made it through the XXth century and the country would still be known as Hijaz, nor would have the Wahhabi doctrines been spread all over the world thanks to the inexhaustible persuasiveness of the petrodollar. But today, the developments in the region, especially in Yemen, where Saudi Arabia and their allies are enduring serious setbacks and face a crushing defeat (as was predicted by both Sayed Khamenei and Sayed Nasrallah), and in Syria, where their proxies are being wiped out by the joint offensive of the Syria Arab Army, Iran, Hezbollah and Russia, the fall of the House of Saud is ineluctable. It will be followed by the liberation of all the Israeli-Occupied Territories (Golan Heights, West Bank, Galilee, etc.) – of which the ISIS mop-up is a prefiguration –, the ultimate destruction of Israel and the end of the so-called Pax Americana or rather Age of International Terror, to which will succeed a multipolar world where these known evil forces, at least, will have disappeared. It is only a matter of time, and God willing, we will live to see it happen.
Israel’s decades of indiscriminate humiliations, torture, brutalization, mass destruction and murder, terror and ethnic cleansing inflicted on the neighbouring countries and on the Palestinian themselves made it impossible for Arabs and Israelis to coexist in the region. Israel was born and lived by the sword, and could only survive as long as it was invincible and feared, but it has now been humbled and defeated more than once. As Sayed Nasrallah reminded, Ben Gourion himself said that Israel would fall after losing its first war. Having failed to kill the fighting spirit of the Palestinian people and the Arab, Muslim and World’s commitment to the cause, and being well inside the cycle of setbacks and crushing military defeats since May 25, 2000 and August 14, 2006, up to the 2008-9, 2012 and 2014 Gaza wars, without any doubt, the Zionist colonial project is doomed. Besides, colonial & racist entities are meant to rule with an iron grip or disappear, and though it will never happen, even if, for some unfathomable reason, the Israeli settlers were offered to stay, an overwhelming majority of them would refuse and leave of their own accord rather than live on an equal footing with Arabushim (a derogatory, racist Hebrew term for Arabs), let alone be ruled by them. Only in 1979 and 1982 did one need to be a visionary to see this.
Let us hope that we are indeed assisting to a Third Intifada in Palestine, and that as Sayed Khamenei predicts, the Occupiers will not know a single day of peace and security. Let us hope that the Palestinian people will finally understand that there is no possible negotiation with Israel, disavow and kick out his corrupt, collaborationist and infamous rulers, and fully embrace the Armed Resistance, following the Hezbollah 2000 and 2006 example and exhortations. Let us have faith and prepare to rejoice.
Courage, Mr. Netanyahu ! Though IDF terrorists are not as fearless as ISIS’s, you won’t need be drown into the sea. Sayed Nasrallah did promise that in the next war that will change the face of the Middle East, only the boats entering Occupied Palestine will be targeted, not the ones leaving it packed with Israeli settlers going home. But even if you were exposed to be thrown overboard, the like of you always know when to abandon a sinking ship and are very good swimmers.
Salah Lamrani (Sayed Hasan)
Reviewed by Jenny Bright
See also:
Iran nuclear deal: the Triumph of the Islamic Republic (and why Israel has reason to worry)
Iran nuclear deal: the Islamic Republic sticks to its guns
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Sayed Ali Khamenei: USA are World’s Worse Evil, Israel Will Disappear Within 25 years (Eng Sub)
Supreme Leader’s Speech in Meeting with People from Different Social Backgrounds – September 9, 2015
Full speech transcript : http://english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2114&Itemid=4
Extract :
[…] This is America. America completely ruled over the country for 25 years. These were the orders that it used to issue to the Shah’s generals. The Americans had the final say in Iran in economic, political and security matters and in the area of foreign policy. This is the complete rule of America during the time of the taghuti regime. Such a regime used to rule over our country. Its officers, its minister of finance, its minister of defense, its prime minister and even the Shah himself obeyed America unquestioningly! Such a regime used to rule over our country.
America ruled over our country like Pharaoh: “Truly Pharaoh elated himself in the land and broke up its people into sections, depressing a group among them. Their sons he slew, but he kept alive their females” [The Holy Quran, 28: 4]. They used to behave like this towards the people, but Musa of the time appeared and overthrew this Pharaoh and his followers. This is what the Revolution did. One year and two months after the event of Shahrivar – that is to say, in Aban of the year 1358 – the youth who followed Imam’s (r.a.) line conquered America’s Den of Espionage. They imprisoned the Americans with their hands tied and their eyes blindfolded. This time, Musa defeated Pharaoh like this. Now, some people ask, “Why do the Americans show hostility towards Iran?” Well, this is the reason. Iran was completely in America’s fist and hands. The entire country moved with the willpower of the Americans, but Imam (r.a.) came and threw America out with the help of the people. Naturally, they should be our enemies and they should show such enmity. In the present time too, they are showing enmity.
Our magnanimous Imam (r.a.) said, “America is the Great Satan.” This phrase is a very meaningful one. The boss of all shaitans in the world is Iblis, but according to the Holy Quran, the only thing that Iblis can do is to tempt human beings and nothing more. He tempts and deceives people, but America kills, imposes sanctions and behaves in a hypocritical way as well as tempting and deceiving. He raises the flag of human rights and claims to support human rights, but ever so often, an innocent and unarmed person rolls in their blood and is murdered by the American police, let alone other crimes and disasters committed by them.
And this was their behavior in Iran during the time of the taghuti regime: they used to wage wars and create warmongering groups like the ones that are busy committing crimes in Iraq and Syria in the present time. These are the things that America does! Now, some people insist on ornamenting this Great Satan – who has qualities worse than those of Iblis – and on portraying him as an angel. Why do they do that? Even if we exclude religion and revolutionary spirit for a moment, what about loyalty to the interests of the country? What about reason? What reason and what conscience allows one to choose a power like America as one’s trusted friend and as a liberating angel? They are like this. This is the truth of the matter.
They dress elegantly, they wear a tie, they use perfume and they appear in an elegant manner to deceive naïve individuals. This is the truth behind the regime of America. This is how they behave towards us and they behave in the same manner towards other countries. The great people of Iran threw this Great Satan out of the country. So, we should not allow him to come back. Now that we have thrown him out of the door, we should not allow him come in through the window. We should not let him penetrate because his enmity will not come to an end.
After the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action] and the deal whose fate is still unclear, they are busy hatching plots against Iran in the U.S. Congress. The news that we receive shows that some individuals in the U.S. Congress are busy passing a bill in order to bother and create obstacles for the Islamic Republic. This is their enmity: it will not come to an end.
And these enmities will continue, but until when? Until you become strong, until the people of Iran become so strong that the enemy becomes frustrated with political, security, military and economic invasions, sanctions and the like. We should become strong. We should strengthen ourselves inside the country. I have frequently spoken about how we should gain the strength that is necessary for the country. First, it should be achieved through a strong economy. One of the ways is to work on the economy of resistance whose policies have been announced. It should be implemented in the form of groundwork and a practical plan and it should be pursued as strongly as possible and without wasting any time. Well, our friends in the administration are thankfully carrying out certain tasks. So, one of the ways is to strengthen the economy of the country. The youth of the country should not be jobless and their talents should not remain untapped. This is one of the ways.
Another way is developing science. The caravan of science should not lose its fast speed. We should move forward in the area of science because everything is dependent on it. So, this is another way to strengthen the country.
One of the most important ways to strengthen the country from the inside is to preserve the revolutionary spirit in the people particularly in youth. The enemies are trying to make our youth become decadent and indifferent towards the Revolution and to kill the spirit of valor and being revolutionary in them. This should be resisted. Youth should preserve their spirit of being revolutionary. And the officials of the country should respect revolutionary youth. Some spokespeople and writers should not constantly label hezbollahi and revolutionary youth as extremists and other such names. Revolutionary youth should be respected and encouraged to preserve their revolutionary spirit because it is this spirit that preserves and defends the country and that saves it in the face of different dangers.
These are the three main factors behind national power: having a strong and resistant economy, enjoying advanced and developing – on a daily basis – science and preserving the revolutionary spirit in all the people particularly in youth. These are the things that can protect the country. If these things are achieved, the enemy will become disappointed.
America does not even hide its enmity, rather it divides its responsibilities. One of them smiles and another prepares a bill against the Islamic Republic. This is a kind of dividing responsibilities. They pursue something called “negotiations”, but negotiations are just an excuse and a tool for penetration. Negotiations are an instrument for imposing their demands. We agreed to negotiate with the Americans only on the nuclear issue because of certain reasons that we have frequently mentioned. Well, our officials did so. Thankfully, our negotiators had a good performance in this arena, but we did not allow them to negotiate with America on other matters.
We are willing to negotiate with the whole world, but we will not negotiate with America. We are men of negotiation and understanding on a governmental, public – people from other countries – and religious level. We are men of negotiation and we negotiate with everyone except for America. Of course, the Zionist regime should not be forgotten about because the very essence of the existence of the Zionist regime is illegitimate and fake.
I would like to say a few things about the Zionist regime. After the nuclear negotiations were concluded, we heard the Zionists say in occupied Palestine, “With these negotiations, we will not have any concerns about Iran for the next 25 years and after that, we will think about it.” I would like to say to them in response that first, you will not see 25 years from today! By Allah’s favor and grace, nothing called the “Zionist regime” will exist by 25 years from now. Second, during this period of time too, revolutionary, epic, jihadi and Islamic spirit will not let you feel comfort even for one single moment! They should know this. Nations have awakened. They know who the enemy is. Of course, some governments and the enemy’s propaganda want to change the place of friends and enemies, but they will not reach anywhere. Nations – Muslim, particularly regional nations – are vigilant and aware. Well, this is the condition of the Zionist regime and America. […]
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Benyamin Netanyahu, Speech at the UN 70th General Assembly, October 1st, 2015
Full speech : http://www.netanyahu.org.il/en/news/1102-address-by-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-at-the-un-general-assembly
Extract :
[…] Last month, Khamenei once again made his genocidal intentions clear before Iran’s top clerical body, the Assembly of Experts.
He spoke about Israel, home to over six million Jews.
He pledged, “there will be no Israel in 25 years.”
Seventy years after the murder of six million Jews,
Iran’s rulers promise to destroy my country.
Murder my people.
And the response from this body, the response from nearly every one of the governments represented here has been absolutely nothing!
Utter silence!
Deafening silence. [Follows a 45-seconds heavy silence]
Perhaps you can now understand why Israel is not joining you in celebrating this deal.
If Iran’s rulers were working to destroy your countries, perhaps you’d be less enthusiastic about the deal.
If Iran’s terror proxies were firing thousands of rockets at your cities, perhaps you’d be more measured in your praise.
And if this deal were unleashing a nuclear arms race in your neighborhood, perhaps you’d be more reluctant to celebrate.
But don’t think that Iran is only a danger to Israel. […]
Article from Counterpunch detailing the attack airplane used on the Kunduz hospital and how its munitions were used in a most grotesque fashion:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/13/us-dispatched-a-murderous-ac-130-airborne-gunship-to-attack-a-hospital/
The business of the USA is murder, and business is always good.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/10/13/america-reels-as-putin-redline-s-israel/
I watched the short clip of Nuttenyawho?…..
Some of the younger women and men were openly laughing at him,particularly when he invoked the usual 6 million,6 million,6 million.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk ‘6 million’… rinse and repeat……and this….
http://www.whale.to/b/faurisson3.html …6,000,000 lies from 1945
Never in my UK schooling was there ever a mention of 19 million dead soviet civilians in Belarus,Ukraine and Russia, nor the soldiers both male and female dead, of the Red Army,another 8 million.
Holocaust anyone?………
No of course not! but the internet changed all that!
Noone ever mentions the 2 million dead Gypsies, for some reason. Considering there are so fewer Gypsies than Jews you would think people would care. But no, Gypsies are apparently not important enough to mention, and theyre also not important enough that the west would forcefully take territory from arabs to give it to the gypsies.
Of course, few ethnic groups are given that kind of favoritism by the west. I wonder why?
Gypsies…yes gypsies..what a magical name. Little ponies and children and caravans.
These are Roma people right ? And Roma people are Romanians, right ?
gypsies in romania are called Roma, not all romanians. These so called gypsies originally are from india
Ann, you may also enjoy this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uq30FeeLTM
.”Here’s to the tent and the old caravan,the tinker, the gypsy, the travelling man, and farewell to the 30 foot trailer”
30 foot trailer by the Dubliners
Like Stan Rogers,the Dubliners are excellent folk performers.
too sad, it breaks my heart. My relatives live in rural England and there used to be gypsies on their lands…they (the owners of the land) didn’t really like it that the gypsies were there, but they never kicked them off….were there laws protecting gypsies, until recently ?
Jack,
Perhaps your schooling was not of the best. The Russian Front was taught at our (UK) school in considerable detail; as was the persecution of the Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, communists and others.
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At least I can offer some advice with my kindest regards (I hope?). – Laugh at Netanyahu by all means. Scorn the Zionists for exploiting what happened to the European Jews. But do not allow your contempt for Zionists to cause you inadvertently and with the very best of intentions to ridicule the Nazis victims. It is surely not necessary for any point you are making and could be mistakenly construed.
With my very best wishes to you in your future endeavours to study who then did what to whom, so that your future comments on the subject will be accurate and not offensive.
Ewan.
A few months ago, the Saker made an excellent point (one of his virtues is that he speaks truth where others shy away): He said that the Nazis were evil but not uniquely so. The British, the Americans, even plucky little Belgium have all committed crimes as heinous, as have many others. The Nazis are set up as an exemplar because it suits the powers that be. And the Holocaust is treated as it is in large part because the Zionists realised they could exploit it. (The career of the great Raul Hilberg is instructive, who for years sought to chronicle the fate of the European Jews single-handed because no-one else was interested.)
Now, there is all the difference in the world here: The Saker makes a very important point, that the powers that be select which victims we are to commemorate, and do so to further their own ideological and material interests. And then there is Jack jeering at some of those victims. (Jack, they may not have been killed by the “AngloZionist” whatever, but they are still very much dead. And the target was “approximately 11m”, as itemised in papers prepared for the meeting at Lake Wansee in November 1941, so whether they succeeded in killing 6m or slightly more or less is not quite the point).
I ask with all due courtesy: is it really acceptable to allow Jack to jeer at the Nazis’ victims and to censor my justifiable contempt?
Ewan, as pointed out earlier by Mod HS – the rules of the Saker site. You are allowed to question what Jack has said with fair argument and facts but you cannot attack him personally or moderators for that matter. You use the word “jeering” – I don’t see Jack doing that – but have left it in – along with your comment ” justifiable contempt”. Please feel free to read the Saker site moderation policy.
That’s right, the elites market the “victim” of the month to us…..US govt early on murdered a million Indians in the US, or even many more. They never wanted to count the hundreds of tribes destroyed by the Indian Wars. The elites also wage war on the world’s children via vaccines and created diseases, like Ebola, HIV, herpes and more. A bad group, indeed. It will be be a new world when their money and power are gone. Rumor says in the US that the military has taken over the Federal Reserve, according to Benjamin Fulford.
Bag, read Stannard’s ‘American Holocaust’, and you will see that it was many more than ‘one million’ killed in the genocide in the USA that continues to today.
To ridicule the victims of the Nazis, or deny their suffering, would be wicked. Millions of Jews, Roma, gays, Soviets, Poles, Serbs, Chinese and others died at the hands of fascist monsters, during WW2, and before in China. We must, I believe, never forget these victims of forgive the crimes, nor do so for contemporary crimes of similar magnitude. However, we must not, I believe, allow a hierarchy of suffering with the Jews at the apex, be imposed on Western societies as a form of pseudo- State religion.
Well if that is so.What is the British “excuse” for only talking of the Jewish holocaust.And the excuse of the British for the singular lack of sympathy for the suffering of the Russians during the war.And denial of the lions share in the victory over nazism that Russia deserves.At least Jack said they just didn’t know the truth.But now you claim they do know.So that means they just don’t care,sad really.
Not to beat a dead horse, but it seems to me Ewan and Jack are possibly of different generations. I think that changes occurred in “education.”
You are right I think.My children were “spared” the truth in history class.They knew from their parents and relatives about real history.And would “call” their “teachers” on the BS they were being fed.Another example of the importance of proper education for instilling historical truth in a generation.We see in the West how harmful it is to allow anti-history teaching to be allowed in schools.With the extreme example of Ukraine before us.The brainwashing of a great part of a whole generation.With the liberation of a nation one of the first needed reforms is the education of its citizens.Fake history must be totally purged from their school systems.
Bob, I got the treatment at High School. I knew vastly more about history than most of my teachers and they seemed incapable of logical thought processes. That endeared me to a few non-conformist teachers and fellow students in the year above, where there were more Bolshie types than in my own year. My teacher sympathisers simply recommended the virtue of silence, which I took as good advice. The readiness of so many to ‘go along to get along’ is one of the ‘Free World’s’ great strengths. And never forget, by definition 50% of the population is of below median intelligence, but they all have a vote. In the USA, Praise the Lord!!-they all have a gun, too.
Spot on! Chimmy.
At 74, schooled between 1946 – 1958 everything was BBC newsreels, government controlled MSM, ‘D’ notices and Lord Russell of Liverpool ‘publications’,no TV,…..BBC radio.
Schooling in post war britain was divided into a strict class system, and was satiricised by Monty Python et. al.
In 1945 there was no ‘pre-school’….at 5 y.o. ….infants school.
At appx. 9 y.o. ….primary school…until the 11 plus exams,at which time your owners decided the rest of your life,by dividing 11 y.o. into top brass like M. Thatcher et.al. in ‘Grammar Schools’,people like me into ‘Technical Schools’, and the rest, consigned to the dustbin of consumerism.
A restructuring of a post war economy requires a ‘designed’ economy.
How many doctors do we need?? how many engineers do we need?? how many bricklayers……..etc etc.
I am sure you get the picture!
I was also thinking that class may have been a factor. Mainly however, I was thinking of Finkelstein’s The Holocaust Industry and how things really got rolling from the mid to late seventies onward. I recall in my 7th grade Social Studies class watching a NBC mini-series on the holocaust — everyone enjoyed not have to listen to the teacher and see something exciting with heroes and villains. I am not saying necessarily that I was indoctrinated as a youth, but education carries a certain amount of advocacy.
Finkelstein’s book was fantastic, for which he paid a heavy price, but what is needed now is a book on the ‘Holocaust Religion’. It deliberately sets out to sanctify Jews and their suffering above that of all other human beings, following Rabbi Kook the Elder’s (the Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi in Palestine a couple of generations ago)infamous declaration that, ‘There is a greater difference between the soul of a Jew and the soul of a non-Jew…than there is between the soul of a non-Jew and that of an animal’. Does anyone really doubt that that is also the opinion of Satan-Yahoo and much of the Israeli Right?
Uncle Bob 1, Your point is very well taken. I don’t have a good answer (or rather I fear the answer I think you hint at is probably accurate – the British are as susceptible to propaganda as anyone and our popular version of WW2 is set in aspic in large part because it is so ideologically useful).
Chimmy may also have a point. I assumed Jack was speaking as someone who had taken history as a subject at school and that it is still taught as thoroughly as it was in my day. I do not think this excuses Jack, however: there have never been so many top quality works of scholarship on every aspect of WW2 as now, many eminently readable.
A good example of what you mentioned was a report from France I read.It said that right after WW2 ended the vast majority of French in polls credited the USSR with the biggest by far roll in defeating the nazis.Today in polls the French give the Western allies the lions share in the nazi defeat.With barely a word on the Soviet part.The West has been subject to vile propaganda on that over the last 70 years.Today’s young peoples grandparents knew the true.But as they die off the liar’s win out.Like I’ve said before,once liberation comes to the West.The entire school system will have to be purged of lies.And people re-educated to know the truth about history.
@ Jack
Remarkable indeed, the links are invaluable. The rinse & repeat “6×10^6” mantra in perspective.
Ah yes, Victor Thorn has written a book “The Holocaust Hoax Exposed”. It’s a must-read, an eye-opener.
There is also a book written by Francois Gautier “Rewriting Indian History”. In the introduction he says: “The (Jewish) Holocaust was nothing compared to what the Muslims did in India (during the Muslim invasion). This is something I heard and read as I child. Muslims did ride from village to village. They drove the people to the center of the village like cattle and demanded that everyone SHOULD convert to Islam or be beheaded. Millions of Indians were beheaded (many converted to), but this went on and on.
I didn’t know how ruthless the British rulers were, until I came across this a few months ago:
http://fbreporter.org/2015/07/07/genocide-the-british-dont-want-you-to-know-about-they-systematically-starved-to-death-over-60-millions-of-eastern-indians/
Now I know why my grandparents were forced to leave India …
And one still may find someone saying how the Brit scum “have introduced civilization” to their colonies…
Jets, the general account of English genocides in India can be garnered from reading Mike Davis’s ‘Late Victorian Holocausts’, or from Gideon Polya’s work on the Bengal Holocaust of the 1940s, and from numerous Indian historians. The ‘excess deaths’, as these genocides are often expressed as, total over one billion in India in the centuries of English exploitation, during which time the English extracted trillions in pillage from one of the richest regions on Earth.
Thank you Mulga! I’ll see if I can find the books.
Jets and mumblebrain,
, the “must-read”on this is “Churchill’s Secret War”by madhushree Mukherjee. Also, “Hungry Bangal”by Janam Mukherjee. There is direct accountability of Churchill for6 million deaths in the Bengal Famine of 1943, in his refusal to supply relief food to India by withholding shipping and refusing Roosevelt permission to supply wheat in US ships.
Francois Gautier is a despicable Frenchman in the CIA base knoiwn as the “Mother’s Ashram”ïn Pondicherry . The rant against Muslims in India is the perpetual divide-and-rule strategy of imperialism, and ignores the huge contribution of Islam to Indian identity and culture. Above all, the Brits moved heaven and earth to strenghthen the demand for Pakistan and , unfortunately, we Indians at the time of our independence, betrayed Northwest Frontier Province , the Province in Undivided India with the highest concentration of Muslims and which was ruled by Gandhi’s assocate khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, (aka Frontier Gandhi). We agreed to a “referendum”in NWFP which the Brits , predictably, rigged.
v.v. anand, thanks for the references. The English occupation of India was a grotesque disaster, and England’s evil offspring the USA certainly learned the tactics of ‘divide and rule’ well. It is truly evil policy, that is setting populations at one another’s throats around the world.
The Holocaust religion DEMANDS that ONLY the Nazi genocide of the Jews MUST be treated as a type of pseudo-religion in the West. All the other genocides of history are, in comparison, almost totally ignored, denied outright or justified. Any questioning of this obsession brings instant vilification as an ‘antisemite’ and censorship and banishment from polite society. The obsession is almost pathological. ‘Holocaust’ Museums and Memorials proliferate in the USA like mushrooms after rain, but similar institutions commemorating the genocides of the indigenous or African slaves are almost, if not totally, unknown. The Judaic worldview, that ‘precious Jewish souls’ are of a higher order than those of non-Jews, has been made compulsory throughout the West. And, what is even worse, and which comprises an insult to the victims of the Nazi Judeocide, the ‘Holocaust’ is used, over and over again, to justify the destruction of the Palestinians and all Israel’s multitude of other crimes against humanity.
Mulga,
Here is an article that proves your point. A Jew wrote a 1,250 words with the same exact word (“Jew”) over and over again. A total of 6 million times! The psychosis and navel gazing of these people are far beyond the rest of the world’s comprehension. As far as they are concerned they are the only ones that suffered in WW2–The Jews the “Eternal Victims”. The “Other” does not count for them.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/world/middleeast/holocaust-told-in-one-word-6-million-times.html?_r=0
The Primacy Of Jewish Genes -Gilad Atzmon article
Excerpt: ” The Guardian reported this week that a study of Holocaust survivors revealed that the Jewish trauma is passed on to its children’s genes.”
http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2015/8/25/the-primacy-of-jewish-genes
IMO…More “suffering” translates to more money shakedowns in the future!!!
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea
“… the Jewish trauma is passed on to its children’s genes …”
Remarkable! Inheritance of acquired characteristics! Lamarck is alive and well!
But of course … Jews unquestioningly being the exceptional gems of the World … it must be that even this magic pertains uniquely to them … and only them…
Judeo-Lamarckism, to wit.
Carmel,
Nicely debunked by Atmon.
I would say intergenerational indoctrination is the most salient factor in victim psychology. (The Ukraine is the most obvious current example.)
The researchers fail to use controls, or define terms. So its pretty rubbish anyway.
If they really want to get taken seriously as scientists, they should study for neuro substrates of psychosis – specifically psychotic paranoia.
I think they might find an answer beyond margin-of-error ;)
On the other hand, science this methodologically unsound is just politics with test-tubes, so I won’t be holding my breath.
Particularly if the result would merit a DSM-Index sub-category and psychiatric/drug treatment…
carmel, the fairly new science of epi-genetics does say that suffering, as in famines, does change the expression and inheritance of genes. That affects ALL human sufferers regardless of race, religion and culture. Perhaps to different degrees from individual to individual, but it is pretty well established. The first inklings of the effect were derided as ‘neo-Lamarckism’, but not any more. But what we can be assured of is that the Holocaust Industry and Religion will use this effect to propagandise for Jewish suffering, and as an excuse for Israeli barbarity, and the epigenetic effects that are certainly also affecting the descendants of the Soviet, Chinese, Roma and other victims (not to forget the descendants of famines and genocides elsewhere)will be, more or less, ignored. Only one suffering is sacred-Jewish suffering.
Maybe, a lot of optimism there, but face it in 70 years nothing has changed, except the amount of land inside Israhole still with a Palestinian on it, now near zero.
Lendman 13th
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article52641.html
The religious and social service Islamic Movement in Israel (IM) is justifiably anti-Zionist – like millions of people worldwide, including Jews and non-Jews alike.
Its origins date from Mandatory Palestine. Its more recent movement was founded in 1971, focusing mainly on providing social services. Its northern branch justifiably opposed Oslo, a Palestinian Versailles.
On Sunday, Netanyahu and his security ministers discussed banning the group, designating it a terrorist organization – Israel’s typical response to anyone opposing its apartheid ruthlessness.
Shin Bet officials accused IM and Hamas of fueling (Israeli perpetrated) violence. Netanyahu blamed Hamas, IM, the PA, and “several countries in the region (Iran, Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon his targets) for “wild and mendacious incitement.”
Last week, IM’s northern branch leader Sheikh Raed Salah vowed to respond to “continued Israeli (Temple Mount) escalation” and state-sponsored violence.
Earlier, Israel imprisoned Salah several times, irresponsibly accused of terrorism, incitement to violence and racism.
@anonymous
“The religious and social service Islamic Movement in Israel (IM) is justifiably anti-Zionist – like millions of people worldwide, including Jews and non-Jews alike.”
Sort of like these 10,000 anti-Zionist Jews?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMQ9C6vni0w
Thank you so much for publishing these analyses. SO interestig to read the “inside” view from the Middle East.
I think the Israelis are “testing” World opinion in Palestine.Little by little they are moving closer and closer to seizing control over Al-Aqsa Mosque and the whole area.Years ago they weren’t even able to enter the area.Then they sent police there.Then Israeli “tourists” were allowed there by them.Now they have even allowed desecration’s there.Soldiers and police inside the area and “settler’s” rampaging around it,even inside at times.Its no secret that the Israelis have wanted from the beginning full control and ownership of the shrine (one of the Holiest shrines in Islam).And like their other plots,taking it over,is done step by step until they have it.All the while checking World opinion to see how far at one time they can go.Instead of the whole Islamic World saying at the beginning “no,hands off”.They stood around and did nothing until today the Israeli plan is on the way to fulfillment.I wouldn’t be surprised if the Israelis announce that “for security reasons,and to keep the shrine safe” they will need to close it “for a time” until the violence (that they created) calms down.Then if that works for them (and why wouldn’t it.It “sounds” reasonable.No one would want to see the shrine harmed by violence.).They will keep it shut until they’ve Judaized all East Jerusalem.Then re-open it,divided into a Jewish and Muslim site.Then after a while (probably more “security reasons”) squeeze out the Muslims and make it solely a Jewish site.That has always been their idea.But they are patient,one step at a time.As a zionist leader once said about negotiations “talk,while at the same time establishing “Jewish facts on the ground”.They haven’t changed that plan.Why should they,it works for them.No one with any power stops them.
Uncle bob,
Are you sure about that? These random lone-wolf style attacks in Israel is security state’s worst nightmare, they can’t detect it and they have no defense against (except at a crippling economic cost of labor shutdown and industrial sector shutdowns). Seems to me that Netanyahu’s incompetence is starting to catch up with him; one gets the feeling the US deep state is fed up with this bombastic moron and a color revolution ouster may be on it way for Netanyahu, same for that Islamist snake Erdogan (a man fond of blowing up his own citizens when it suits his goals).
The fact is Netanyahu’s bungling has sent Israelis back to square one in terms of insecurity and economic chaos. Has Israel’s population become so dumbed down that they can’t figure out what a complete disaster Netanyahu has been for them?
Its complex (I assume you meant the settler lone-wolf attacks?),but Israel has extremely good intelligence services.Almost nothing happens in Israel they don’t know about before hand (they might not prevent it,for their own reasons.But they know about it).If they wanted to stop these attacks they could.They have the laws on the books to do the job (they use those laws constantly against Palestinians).But the Israelis have a Herrenvolk mentality.And won’t punish zionist terrorists unless forced by World opinion too.And then only as long as the World is watching them.As soon as the World turns away they release them.
As for a “color revolution” against Netanyahu,I strongly doubt that.Israel “prides” itself on being the “only” democracy in the ME (It is the same way apartheid South Africa was, for whites only.In Israel for Jews only).But that is part of their propaganda story.And they can’t afford to destroy that myth with a color revolution.Now against Erdogan,I could see that.Though more likely a military coup instead.
Anon, I think that the regretable ‘lone wolf’ attacks suit Satan-yahoo’s purposes perfectly. They allow the Zionazi narrative that the Palestinians are wild beasts, deserving their interminable suffering at the hands of God’s Chosen People, to be drummed into Western publics yet again. To that end the as ever much greater number of Palestinians killed by Jews, some in the coldest blood, is ignored, while Jewish deaths and injury bring lamentations and compulsory anguish. The irony that the tactics of the original Jewish terrorists, the Sicarii, are being used against Jews, is of course, unknown or forbidden to be mentioned, because one might wander into real Thought Crime by realising just why a humane Emperor like Hadrian decided that the Jewish elite were just too dangerous and brutal to be allowed to continue residing in the Empire.
I expect a truly brutal repression to follow, probably another ‘mowing the grass’ massacre in Gaza, another few hundred dead Gazan children offered up as mitzvot, and possibly an attack on Hezbollah or even Iran, if the West’s allies the takfiri butchers in Syria look like being driven out or exterminated. Satan-yahoo is Evil, and he’s also reckless and possessed of very poor judgment.
One last point I wanted to make as well.Netanyahu’s problem is he says the things Israelis feel.He doesn’t filter it through the double-talk most Israeli politicians are so good at.Everyone that has ever studied zionism,and the zionists in Israel know they have no intention of giving real independence to a Palestinian state.Not the left-zionists,nor,for a certainly the right-zionists.All they are doing is stalling for time .To make the “Jewish facts on the ground”.When they started with this “peace” charade,there were small numbers of “settlers” in the West Bank.And since then every Israeli government after (left and right) has increased the numbers of settlements.To make it very difficult to give back that land.They have known what they were doing all this time,its not an accident or a “mistake”,its a plan.All my life I’ve heard every few months “Israel established a new settlement”.And at the same time ,almost as a pre-recorded message the USSD says “that isn’t helpful for peace,we ask Israel to stop the settlement policy”.And then that is all.Israel ignores that (as the US knew they would),the settlement is built and the US hands over more money for “defense” to Israel.Its a sick perverted game they all play.But Netanyahu,just hasn’t learned to play the game well.No political party,no politician can rise to power who isn’t a zionist.The “zionist” label is stronger than the Communist label used to be in the USSR.The zionist parties,associations,groups,dominate everything in Israeli society.Even some of the groups helping the Palestinians consider themselves zionists (I know,how ironic is that,but true.That is how strong zionist ideology is in Israel).Let me add though.Some of those groups and individuals helping the Palestinians are totally sincere in what they do.They contribute greatly to what little is done for the Palestinians.And the Palestinians value,and greatly appreciate the help they give.For many of those people the zionist label,is just that,only a “label” with no meaning to them.They are people first.And are appalled by the crimes Israel commits in their name as Jews.So while Israel is a criminal state.I don’t want anyone to believe all Israelis are criminals.Like all societies there are good and bad people.Its just that among Israelis the bad are in power.
This is what their plans are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2IkxmwkayM
This should really frighten a lot of people.
@Anonymous
The Vatican owns 60% of Jerusalem land.
It has signed a treaty with the State of Palestine (and not just the Palestinian Authority.)
I guess Rome is continuing the Hapsburg project – keeping tabs on old enemies the Rotschilds, and their endless subversions. Presumably it sees the Palestinian ‘Musselmen’ as their best bet (in terms of fundamentals) and the Israeli Jews as secular charlatans milking the Jewish Orthodox cow for religious legitimacy…
Amazing how a historical grudge – getting kicked out of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, subsequent sponsorship from the Anglo-Dutch – has led.
The best laid plans of mice and men?
They never pan out quite as envisaged.
Eimar, please, the Vatican owns, if true as you say, 60% of Jerusalem land because they CAN own it…and the Jesuits (vatican) own the Bank of America…
this is what Catherine Austin Fitts is always talking about…the Vatican money is huge. And the pope is a Jesuit…sneaky buggers….and so all his hot air talk is only that…hot air….they have investments in everything corporate on the planet..and they are perhaps even the biggest share holder…
Ann
The Crusader States loomed large and appeared powerful for a time. But they had feet of clay, and were defeated.
A Jewish political entity that had a touch of honor would long ago have offered a true and fair sharing of Palestine. A desperate Palestinian nation could have accepted a fair deal – then – in 1947, and later. Even now, a fair deal could be had. However, the Land Thieves must unclench their fist from the cookie jar, and that they just cannot do. Few thieves can.
My relatives, the Ollendorffs, can return to Kings Highway, or Germany. I bear them no ill will, although I hate their guts. I ask them, how can you watch “The Diary of Ann Frank,” and support the slaughter of the Palestinians in Gaza, Deir Yassin, the imprisonment of 10,000 Palestinian political prisoners, and the liquidation of the Arab presence wherever Jew sets foot?
A fair deal, involves sharing, involves breaking the bread in the middle, involves a 50%-50%ish split, with a shared capital in Jerusalem. A unitary secular state with the same land-wealth split might work. But: as John Belushi would say: Nooooo! It is unlikely. The cookie jar will have to be broken over the Land Thieves’ head.
A quick glance at the map of 1947, where the United States and Stalinist Nations (UN) awarded fewer than 30% of the area population – 51% of the best land, including most of the Mediterranean coastline and the water resources, and impossible criss-cross borders, was designed to trigger a military confrontation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Palestine_Partition_Versions_1947.jpg
When that confrontation came, the Palestinians and their Arab supporters were no match for the Soviet armed, trained, and commanded Haganah. Furthermore, at all points, the Arabs were outnumbered by the Zionist soldiers. The Palestinians and Arab allies fought well. They fought to the death; and were captured only when seriously wounded.
This month, October, 2015, Two things have changed (forever) the Political Moral equation in the Middle East. The least important, but vital, will be listed first.
1. The confrontation at the Jewish owned Concentration Camp of Gaza. The World sees that it is no longer a balance between “poor little Israel” against big bad Red Indians (er- Palestinians), but to the contrary, it is the Palestinians, being slaughtered, by the very powerful world and nuclear powered Land Thieves and their American servants.
a. The correct understanding by the world’s citizens of the true power and human relations in Palestine has led to a huge Moral win for the Palestinian People. The Palestinian Flag now flies at the United Nations. And it flies there, despite the furious objections of the Land Thieves’ spokesperson, Netenyahoo and their American puppets in the Hollywood Obomber puppet administration.
2. The Russian Air force (that is incorrect:) The Glorious Russian Air Force and their Heroic Pilots, have reversed the tide of history. The Syrian Nation is surging forward, and their forward motion is reviving Iraq, the Lebanese, and the Palestinians. The Palestinian Intifada is concurrent with and directly inspired by those Russian pilots and Syrian Army Troops. After so many terrible beatings and defeats, the resilient Syrian soldiers are moving forward against strongly entrenched Zionist and American Terrorists, and rooting them out.
a. The Hezbollah deserve a letter of their own. They are, simply, the Vision.
b. The Land Thieves must imagine in their nightmares what happens after the ring closes at Kalach and the Armies turn and face them.
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
Yes,it is important to remember the Crusader States lasted over a couple of centuries in total.While the zionist entity has only been around for 67 years so far.
A very good point. I think of Israel as a european enclave established by brute force and just as the latin kingdoms, it has no future. This is not a comment on the rights or wrongs of the current situation but an historical perspective. I see that every year Turkey celebrates its founding by the defeat of Eastern Rome. What a dreadful burden for their psyche that their existence results from a successful invasion. They and the european israelis can have no doubt that history is against them. I have never seen any mainstream comment on what the hebrews think of their european rulers.
A very good point. I think of Israel as a european enclave established by brute force and just as the latin kingdoms, it has no future. This is not a comment on the rights or wrongs of the current situation but an historical perspective. I see that every year Turkey celebrates its founding by the defeat of Eastern Rome. What a dreadful burden for their psyche that their existence results from a successful invasion. They and the european israelis can have no doubt that history is against them. I have never seen any mainstream comment on what the hebrews think of their european rulers.
Golan Heights today.
The Israeli military says it has launched a number of artillery attacks against Syrian army posts in the Golan Heights, claiming that they were in response to rocket fire from Syria on the Israeli-occupied sector of the heights.
The Israeli army said in a statement on Tuesday that its “artillery targeted two military posts of the Syrian Armed Forces in the central Syrian Golan Heights in response to the rocket fire.”
There were no immediate comments from the Syrian government on the issue.
On September 26, Israel launched at least three airstrikes against positions of the Syrian army on the Golan Heights.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/10/13/433216/Syria-Israel-Golan-Heights
Battle for Aleppo city Syria well underway, Hezbollah & SAA:
OCT13
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13940721000834
The sources said that the experienced fighters of Hezbollah, the Syrian army troops and the Russia air force are to carry out a massive joint operation to recapture the second import Syrian city of Aleppo in the coming day.
On Tuesday, the ISIL militants’ positions, supplying routes and munitions depots across the Northern province of Aleppo were massively targeted by the Syrian warplanes, leaving tens of terrorists killed or injured.
The sources said that the Syrian Air Forces targeted a long convoy of the ISIL vehicles in Jabboul, Howejine, Alam hills, Sabe’en and al-Ne’am areas in the Eastern countryside of Aleppo.
No matter how many wars are ongoing, they’ve always got room for another front to open up.
Turkey Warns US, Russia against Backing Kurdish Militia in Syria
October 13, 2015 – 17:15
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Turkey has warned the United States and Russia it will not tolerate Kurdish territorial gains by Kurdish militia close to its frontiers in north-western Syria, two senior officials said.
“This is clear cut for us and there is no joking about it,” one official said Tuesday of the possibility of Syrian Kurdish militia crossing the Euphrates to extend control along Turkish borders from Iraq’s Kurdistan region towards the Mediterranean coast.
Turkey fears advances by Kurdish YPG militia, backed by its PYD political wing, on the Syrian side of its 900 km (560-mile) border will fuel separatist ambitions among Kurds in its own southeastern territories. But Washington has supported YPG fighters as an effective force in combating Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant.
http://www.tasnimnews.com/english/Home/Single/887928
Suffices to quote a passage from Pepe Escobar’s Say hello to my cruise missiles, http://atimes.com/2015/10/say-hello-to-my-cruise-missiles-escobar/ :
“… And what about Turkey? Here’s the short answer. Sultan Erdogan simply can’t handle the Kurds — either in Syria or in Turkey. He can’t handle Syria. Not to mention he can’t handle Moscow. There’s a running joke from Syria to Iraq and Iran that one does not need to attack Turkey; you just let it fall apart by itself. Sultan Erdogan is making sure that happens. …”
sounds like Netyanoo has good reason to be afraid.
The next time you hear someone attack Russia over “gay rights” ,or condemn Russia for its bombing ISIS in Syria.Show them this report,it should settle the issue on both points:
http://accidentalbear.com/isis-throw-4-more-gay-men-to-their-deaths-and-proudly-take-pics/
@ Uncle Bob 1
“it should settle the issue on both points”
Not quite! It clearly shows that ISIS is not all that bad!
I may not approve of “gay rights” but I even less approve of murder.
Gays should have the same rights as everybody else-no more, no less. And any who allow themselves to be manipulated by malignant Western forces to spread social hatred in their societies should be ashamed, and, if necessary, punished for it. But, as you say, murder by Evil fundamentalist scum, created by the glorious West that otherwise pretends to represent ‘human rights’ is just another vicious Evil brought to us by the Masters of Destruction.
did you know that israel imports all it,s pistachio,s from iran,evidently they prefer them to all the others on the market
did you know that iran fought a 7 year war with iraq.
did you know that israel supplied iran with $75 million dollars worth of arms in that war
ask saddam,he knows the truth now
Iran is not threat to israel nor is israel a threat to iran. One thing israel and iran share and have in common, they both agree on their borders on the Euphrates.
The Israeli Jews (with exception of a few) always have to act up where they are or wherever they go.
In fact, there are known the world over for being not just rude and obnoxious but extremely violent. Even in football games. See video and article below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr0GMxm847s
http://rcir.org.uk/?p=1465
“Manners maketh the man – but not Israelis” -article
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/01/02/1072908905953.html
“Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them” -article
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
Funny video and 100 % true of Israeli tourists in India:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUF1FQUF-v0
And last but NOT least, a fact known by Christians in Israel about Israeli Jews but that I doubt that for the smallest few of people in the world ever heard of this:
“What do you preach to a church full of Jews on Christmas?” -article & audio
http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-25/what-do-you-preach-church-full-jews-christmas
Carmel,
I can remember seeing signs in Thai hostels banning Israeli backpackers because of their total lack of manners and cheap racism.
Some in India too.
Eimar,
Oh! I believe you. It does not surprise me.The majority of Israeli Jews are so very rude and obnoxious that the only natural reaction of normal human beings is to avert them as much as possible and whenever possible. I know I do!
Carmel by the Sea
Many backpackers are rude. The main reason some Indian guest houses ban Israeli backpackers is because they skip out on payment. In India (Goa where many backpackers go), it is common to not have to pay your room/board up front if you stay for more than a week. Israeli’s have been known to sneak away in the middle of the night without settling their tab. Most of these Israeli’s have recently finished serving in the army and don’t have much money yet they want to travel for as long as possible so they do what criminals do to to stretch their dollar…shekel in this case!
Carmel, I saw the same in India on more than one occasion. Israelis, sometimes quite respectful, but often rude, arrogant and contemptuous of a civilization that never persecuted them in 2000 years or residence. The chauvinism of Israel, the contempt for International Law, and the arrogance bred in by controlling the West almost totally, certainly seems to affect many Israelis in a very negative manner. After all, they know, if they are well informed, that most of the world does not like them, because of their behaviour, which will rankle with any group, let alone one that is inculcated to see itself as ‘Gods Upon the Earth’.
Mulga,
How right you are! Indeed they think themselves not just be “gods” as in plural, but God Himself. Never, and I’m not young mind you, have I ever had the unfortunate luck to meet such an obnoxious bunch. Yikes!
My heart goes to the Palestinians that have to deal with them. God Almighty! what strong and resilient people are those Palestinians. God bless them! and protect them.
Carmel by the Sea
True, Carmel. I saw a report some years ago that the odious Abe Foxman of the ‘Anti-Defamation League'(that specialises in defamation)had observed that Hitler and the Nazies’ real crime was deicide, because, in killing the poor European Jews not rich enough to flee, Hitler was attempting to kill God Himself, because the Jews are God. I was a bit unaware of the details of Judaic religious belief at the time, but, although Judaism is, to say the least, multi-variant, there is no doubt that many Jews do unashamedly consider themselves the ‘Supreme Beings in the Universe’. The Daleks, in claiming that role for themselves, are definitely ‘antisemites'(TM).
It is now absolutely impossible that Israel disappears from the face of the Earth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Don’t think for a moment that the Jews are a kind of people that will hesitate to destroy the whole world if they feel their hegemony over the world may be over (for the first time since they destroyed the ancient Egypt).
No way!
The Wend, while no-one but the worst bigots wants the Jews to disappear, I’d say that they would be better loved (they are pretty universally disliked, apart from those that they have bought, and certain brainwashed strata in the West)if they ceased, One) Destroying the Palestinians while stealing their land, and expecting the world to see them, the heavily armed, murderous, concentration camp guards, as the victims, and the imprisoned, tortured, brutalised, Palestinians as the victimisers. That arrogant inversion of reality is enough to create an awful lot of bad feeling towards Israel and Jewry. Two)Controlling Western states through their money power, and being world leaders in businesses not conducive to human welfare, like the financial banksterism driving debt and inequality, human organ trafficking, ‘blood diamonds’, pay-day lending, on-line gambling, human sex trafficking, the apparatus of repression and surveillance (tested on the ‘human guinea-pigs’ in Gaza and the West Bank)etc. These criminal enterprises are dominated by Jews, rich Jews,with Sabbat Goyim stooges and allies, and Israel remains very unequal, even for the Jewish Herrenvolk, let alone the Israeli Arabs and other underclasses.
One of the Jewish elite’s clever tactics is to maintain the fiction that the Jews are some sort of great, undifferentiated, mass (while otherwise boasting of their querulous and disputatious nature) universally blameless and benevolent, and, therefore, any criticism of the actions of any Jew anywhere MUST be bigotry, ‘antisemitic'(TM) bigotry, driven by envy at their wonderfulness. So the current outbreak of cold-blooded murder of Palestinian youth, nothing really new by Israeli standards, must be blamed on the evil Palestinians, who have been attacking wonderful, peace-loving, Jews, for no reason but their eternal malevolence and the ‘incitement’ of malignant forces. Living as ‘two-legged animals’ in eternal semi- or complete imprisonment, and brutalised by people who regard them as insects, is, of course, no ‘incitement’ whatsoever. It is their lot for getting in the way of ‘Gods Upon the Earth’.
Sorry to have lost my thread, there. In short, if the Israelis and diaspora Jew elites stopped behaving badly, I’m quite happy to share the planet with them. They are individually not inherently good or bad, but they have been behaving atrociously for an awfully long time, and despite incessant propaganda from the Zionist-controlled Western MSM, their behaviour has built up a shit-load of hatred for them, and that is regretable and dangerous for us all.
The author expresses confidence that no matter what happens, the State of Israel will cease to exist, going so far as to strongly suggest that this will happen within a few decades. That confidence is religiously based.
Well, at some level of course it is useless to discuss logically about religious beliefs: no matter what arguments he is given, a believer will always find a way to maintain confidence in his belief. As an example, I am convinced that all Muslims will eventually convert to Christ, and I don’t think this confidence could be shaken by a rational argument.
That being said, I see two differences with what Salah Lamrani is saying:
1. I am not giving any dates about realization of the event “all Muslims convert to Christianity”. While Khamenei, and the author with him, are giving dates. That strikes me as imprudent, to say the least.
2. My belief that all Muslims will eventually become Christians is based on a given religion – obviously Christianity. By contrast, Khamenei’s belief that the State of Israel is not based on any religion I know of. Definitly not on Islam, which has nothing to say on the matter of a State which appeared 13 centuries after Mohammed preached.
It may be based on some new religion preached by Khomeiny… although I am not aware that Ruhollah Khomeiny preached explicitly a new religion. Would Khamenei agree that Khomenei was a Prophet in his own right, possessing supranatural predictive powers from God Himself? I don’t know, but such an idea would be necessary to explain Khamenei’s willingness to believe all that Khomeiny said about the future – which idea would be in contraction with Muslim religion, of course, since according to Islam Mohammed was not only a Prophet, but also the last one.
Enough with religions and belief systems. Speaking now about facts and the actual world situation, the continued existence of all States is uncertain, even the most powerful. However, Israel is among those whose existence is most secure. Reasons are obvious enough, but let me list some of them:
– Internal unity – nothing is more dangerous to a country than disunity, Ukraine and Syria being recent examples of that rule. No external power would stand a serious chance to convince part of Israeli population to fight against the rest of the nation
– Intellectual and educational performance as the most fundamental sources of a country’s standing
– Technology and wealth as the consequence of intellectual and educational success
– Military performance as consequence of technology, wealth and unity, including nuclear deterrence and space power
– At least good relations, up to formal alliance, with all main powerful countries – America, China, Russia, Germany, France, Britain, India, Japan
– Only weak enemies, and less of them than a generation ago at that. Now Iran – which has no border with Israel – is trompeting its enemity, however neither Egypt, nor Jordan, nor Syria, and only a faction of Lebanon. If an Israeli from the year 1975 was time-machine transported to year 2015, he would think he’s living a dream of security
Now, all of this does not answer the question of the identity of Israelis. Are they all devils, or more precisely worse than the Devil himself, as Khamenei strongly suggested (well he actually said it only of America, but then he put “Zionists” and Americans together) ? Are all Jews worse than the Devil, by the way? Or rather, are all those who deem Israel to be a legitimate country worse than the Devil, no matter whether they be Jews or non Jews, Americans or not (which would make me worse than the Devil, I’m afraid)? Or are they not?
Everyone will choose what he wants to believe.
No matter what, I strongly suggest everybody to get used to the fact of the existence of the State of Israel. Spiting helplessly at somebody is not a very healthy pursuit I would argue, in addition to being more than a bit preposterous, and there is far better to be done with one’s life.
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Alexis, ever read holy quran? quran speaks about israelites. I will not bother explaining anything since you decided to write about islam and muslims without having any knowledge of the religion. I recommand you go read before commenting what muslims believe and what not. Quran tells us how the israelites came to the holy land and quran explains to us how they were expelled and quran tells us they will come again. I recommand you watch this lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8th8ybp96k
Salam Brother Alexis TK27,
With due respect you seems to twist the words of Sayed Ali Khamenei. You seems to know a lot about Islam but then you twist the things.
1. There is/are no devil/devils in Islam.
2. Satan in Islam is the enemy of mankind. I am pretty sure that you know about Judaism too, and it is the same concept in Judaism, meaning “Enemy”.
3. Satan is a Semite word, and not Greek/Roman word.
4. As Sayed Ali Khamenei said above, “The boss of all shaitans in the world is Iblis, but according to the Holy Quran, the only thing that Iblis can do is to tempt human beings and nothing more. He tempts and deceives people,”
5. The only power given to satan is, “The Power of Whisper”. One should not underestimate this power, a good example is the MSM media constantly whispering to us. Or the education system in EU, only emphasizing the massacre of 6 millions Jews, rather than loss of more than 100 million human beings and the deadly loss to the environment.
6. Then Sayed Ali Khamenei goes on with the Islamic belief that Iblis was not an angel but hid within the angles, thus acting good like them. Then Sayed Ali Khamenei compares the Iblis with the Great Satan (Enemy), “The boss of all shaitans in the world is Iblis, but according to the Holy Quran, the only thing that Iblis can do is to tempt human beings and nothing more. He tempts and deceives people, but America kills, imposes sanctions and behaves in a hypocritical way as well as tempting and deceiving. He raises the flag of human rights and claims to support human rights, but ever so often, an innocent and unarmed person rolls in their blood and is murdered by the American police, let alone other crimes and disasters committed by them.”
7. And, last but not least in regard to 25 years, Sayed Ali Khamenei talks about, By Allah’s favor and grace, nothing called the “Zionist regime” will exist by 25 years from now.”
No where in the above quote, Sayed Ali Khamenei talks about:
a. State, which means “Country”.
b. State of Israel, which means “Country of Israel”.
Conclusion: Brother, it is not nice to twist thing to fit one agenda. This is called, “The Power of Whisper”, the Cursed Power. Not only that one looses one credibility. The words of Sayed Ali Khamenei are above there for everyone to read too.
Best regards,
Mohamed
Salam brother Alexis TK27,
I just did a Google on Regime:
a. a government, especially an authoritarian one.
b. a system or planned way of doing things, especially one imposed from above.
Also, it appears that you are confused with the following terms too, and you use them interchangeably:
a. Banu Israel: “The People of Isreal (Jacob), the 12 Tribes.
b. Jews: The only remaining Tribe of Yehudi (Judah). I am pretty sure that you are aware of war crimes and genocide committed against the other 11 Tribes.
c. Zionist: I am pretty sure that you know what it means. If you don’t then just Google.
Best regards,
Mohamed
Alexis, your observations make sense, but Israel will sow the seeds of its own destruction if it does not cease destroying the Palestinians, stealing their land and spitting on (as fundamentalist Jews are wont literally to do in Jerusalem if you annoy them) International Law in the process. They also need to make the 20% Arab population of Israel proper full citizens, as they pretend that they are. They need to stop attacking and subverting all their neighbours according to the Oded Yinon Plan and the ambition for an Eretz Yisrael from the Nile to the Euphrates. They need to join the NPT and stop acting as if they are above International Law that binds all lesser peoples. They need to cease actively controlling Western elites in business, politics and the MSM as subservient stooges, and stop actively attacking and silencing all the growing numbers of the decent fraction of humanity increasingly repulsed by their ceaseless aggression and arrogance. They also need to address the great inequality, even amongst Jews, inside Israel itself, where twelve families control much of the wealth, a pattern seen throughout Jewish history. These might seem ‘minor’ problems when the Zionazi elite is so amazingly globally dominant, a rogue, pariah, terrorist state that treats International Law and Humanitarian Conventions with utter contempt, but they are slowly sapping Israel’s legitimacy and sustainability.
Two issues seem important:
1) Query:—I have always wondered why Iran takes such an extreme uncompromising position against the very existence of Israel, considering that Israel has no claim on any Iranian territory and does not even border Iran. What is Iran’s proverbial “dog” in the fight between the Israelis and the Arabs/Palestinians? Is this really purely altruistic concern about the fate of the Palestinians? Since when does any geopolitical and/or national concern find itself governed by true selfless altruism?
2) Under the circumstances, I doubt that the “non-existence” of Israel in 25 years, as stated by the
Iranian Islamic leader would be like French settlers leaving the French colony of Algeria. There is far too much religious/spiritual fanaticism and boundless righteous rage involved, on both sides. This is more like national/religious/tribal warfare to the death, that ultimately either the one side or the other must be wiped out without trace or memory left.—And this all fits in with the manipulative agenda of the human-hating “evil spirit” and “emotional organism” entities presiding
over everything,—just to produce the maximal amount of rage energies and fear energies.
“and put an end to the so-called State of Israel, the last colony on Earth”
Israel will continue to survive and exist as long as the Zionist Jews will continue to directly (and indirectly) control US politics. Through American diplomatic/financial/military support, Israel will continue to thrive at the expense of Palestinians and other middle east countries.
Zionist lobbies have a huge influence over American foreign and military affairs and it is unlikely that this will change in the foreseeable future. Furthermore, American Jews are in charge of FED, and they are a very powerful elite that controls investment Banking, Hollywood, Mass Media, academia etc
What is happening now is a new cold war between the forces of NWO of neoliberal globalisation (USA and its vassal states) and the forces that support national sovereignty (Russia and a handful states in the ex-USSR, a few latin American countries such as Cuba, Bolivia and Venezuela, Iran, Syria etc). China is an industrial colony of the West but struggles to maintain its political independence.
Almost all of Europe consists now of vassal states of USA.
EU, NATO, Eurozone, and the Transatlantic free trade agreement are all forms of submission to the NWO. If a (European) country is part of any of the previous organisations/agreements, then it is not sovereign. European countries are now in deep economic trouble because of economic globalisation that has caused de-industrialisation, loss of economic and monetary sovereignty, massive illegal immigration, huge unemployment in some countries, and significant social problems.
The destruction of Middle East (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria etc) is a major long term plan of American Zionists so as to destroy any sovereign nation state, to create puppet states, to control oil and the local markets.
Because of the Soviet influence in post-WW2 world, there were many regimes in Middle East and Africa that were anti-colonial, anti-imperialistic, nationalistic and socialistic in ideology. Baath in Syria and Iraq, Nasserist Egypt, Libya under Qaddafi, Marxist regimes in South Yemen/Afghanistan/Ethiopia/Somalia, secular anti-colonial regimes in North Africa (Algeria, Tynisia etc). Iran was a CIA puppet state but with the revolution of 1979 became sovereign and
anti-imperialistic.
The dissolution of the USSR caused the implosion of many of these regimes.
In a few cases, some regimes survived such as Libya, Syria, Iraq etc. Because these countries were not integrated into NWO, they were on the list for regime change.
And the american plan succeeded through direct military intervention, orange revolutions or through the use of mercenaries.
Only Iran and Syria are sovereign states in the middle east.
Iran is under sanctions and in a proxy war with USA and Saudi Arabia in Syria, Lebanon and Yemen.
Syria is in war with CIA-trained islamist mercenaries.
If these two countries fall, then the whole middle east will be controlled by zionists.
@Anonymous
‘No man is an Island.’
Substitute ‘man’ for people/state and beware hubris.
*The Israeli situation is far from secure. It has no food or water security.
* It is in a perpetuatal state of internal warfare.
* It’s Jewish population – by which the Zionist state defines itself – is facing a demographic crisis. (Netanyahoo refused Syrian refugees on the grounds of Israel’s small size, yet is actively pursuing an international Jewish immigration drive. So desperate is this crisis, they are opting for ‘fractional’ heritage as the pool of ‘full-bloods’ continues to resist temptation. A number of agencies have also ceased to operate as a result of the Gazan slaughter.)
*Currently Syria is battling for survival. But its been around a hell of lot longer than the State of Israel. With Russian help it will see out this crisis as it has so many others in its multi-millennium history. Israel is but the blink of an eye, a non-organic, colonial imposition not yet a century old.
*Iran does not speak without precedent – it too is the cross roads of many ancient civilizations from which emerged the Persian identity and culture. It has adapted to crisis and its religious Islamic caste are exceptionally supportive of science and the arts, as well as medicine. (According to a Harvard poll (2008) Iranian students were the best from both the international and national pools.) So such predictions are rooted in empirical observation and the recognition of historical currents: it would be foolish to read them as some kind of Zionist/Calvinist ‘end-times’ nonsense. Remember, this is the land of Zoroaster.
*Last time I checked, Israel’s education system was ranked 38 by the OECD. Well behind most of Europe and even moreso, Asia.
*Israel is now one of the most unequal societies in the world, with only 20 families controlling over half the wealth. A situation like that bodes extremely ill for unity among Jewish Israelis, nevermind its religious apartheid.
And on a final note, when at least a hundred thousand Israeli Jews reportedly seek to immigrate to *Germany*, the Holocaust narrative – on which its entire national narrative is predicated – is in trouble. Big trouble.
There may a good case for the continuance of the Israeli state. But your post has not provided it.
eimar, Jewish society has been notably stratified, with little upward mobility, and the same families dominant, for centuries. In fact, during the Nazi Judeocide, few wealthy, socially dominant Jews died, while the poorer strata were decimated. Indeed when one studies the efforts of the Zionists to collaborate with the Nazis in moving the young and fit to Palestine, while sacrificing the rest, one can only conclude that the policy was deliberate. In short, one can conclude that the dominant Jewish elites, who control the West through their wealth, are pretty nasty types, while many lumpen Jews in Israel and elsewhere, are being taken for a ride.
That’s a beautiful piece of wishfull thinking…
Saker used to be a hard fact guy if i remember correctly…
Well:
First there’s no better army thant Tsahal… 70 years of War and believe me they are ate the top of the game… Us shitty marines and army look like babies in comparison.
Second they fight for survival, by any means necessary, so in their view they got the oral ground to do anything.
Third, they always win! Nasrallah may say what he want, Hezbollah barely survived their last confrontation, and Israel stopped their shit by themselve, they are miles away of going on the offensive, plus they re already very busy up north.
I remember a joke poster in St Cyr, there was a poor small rabbit named Israel and a panther jumping on it titled “Arab countries attack Israel” and on the next picture the same rabitt eating the bones of said panther entitled “and that’s what happens when arab countries attack Israel”
They are warriors, that’s all there’s to say, little by little they gain ground in Cisjordany.
Dont forget that Putin didnt need to deal with USA for the campaign in Syria; that was well played btw, but he had to deal with the israelis.
Because even if Russian aircrafts are above American ones, Israel got nearly a thousand jets and 2 hundred attack helicopters.
And last but not least, they got nukes, at least a pair of hundred well enough to erase all the middle east to ashes.
And there are real old school talmudists scums in the israeli gov today…
What bollocks! Hezbollah wiped the so-called IDF’s clock, without air support and using second-string fighters in the main, in 2006. The IDF has grown soft, concentrating for so long on terrorising old people, children and pregnant women at road-blocks, or killing stone-throwing children with sniper shots. If Hezbollah had an air-force, the population of Long Island would double overnight.
If anyone was in doubt about the common zionist traits.And the way they deal with anyone not supporting them.The post you replied to is a perfect example.
@Zitka
You may be unaware Netanyahoo – accompanied by Israeli generals – travelled to Moscow prior to Russia’s Syrian intervention.
He was particularly exercised by the possibility of a Hezbollah attack from the Golan Heights.
Putin reminded him that Syria had more pressing issues to deal with currently.
Conclusion?
The Netanyahoo regime is nowhere as complacent you: it fears Hezbollah as it does Iran.
I’m afraid Salah Lamrani has translated Iran’s Spiritual Leader Ayatullah Ali Khamenei’s statement to suit his personal agenda. Like Dr. Ahmadinejad, Khamenei never said a word about the “wipe Israel off the map.” All Iranian leaders are united on the removal of the ZIONIST REGIME from the occupied Palestine. Khamenei is on record of telling Palestinian leaders that Islamic Iran will recognize state of Israel when the Palestinian people recognize it.
In the speech Lamrani is referring, Khamenei only warned the national leaders that any further negotiations with United States beyond the so-called “nuclear deal” would be shear waste of time as Washington is not interested in living in peace with Iranian people until a regime change.
“Unfortunately, a certain group, in a bid to justify negotiations between the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Great Satan, are raising these issues in newspapers, speeches, and in virtual space through a commonplace view, which is totally wrong,” Khamenei said.
While stressing that Iran is not opposed to negotiations in principle with countries, including European and non-European, Ayatullah Khamenei said: “But the issue is different when it comes to United States, because it has come up with a definition of negotiation with Iran – meaning infiltration and paving the way for imposing their demands.”
http://rehmat1.com/2015/10/09/khamenei-warns-against-further-negotiations-with-us/
Thank you very much for your comment, Rehmat. I had to read through the discourses on genocide, and many militant statements that saddened me – I was about to bring up the hope for a multipolar world without war and the distinction between regime and the democratic will of the people, when at last I reached your calm analysis of the speech in question – we so need these corrections, because it has become usual to demonize the opposition in order to justify violence, as in the worst of the Hollywood movies – that to me is the Great Satan, in whatever country or religion the infection may take up residence. No country is immune to this, and it takes a strong leader, many such, to prevail against it, because it is such a temptation to take the violent course.
Take now the United States government. How can it ever be justified to claim to be instilling democracy through force of arms? Yet that is what it is currently doing in Syria, pouring weapons from the sky to aid rebels in overthrowing a democratically elected government! No wonder, then, that Khamenei says it is not possible to negotiate with such a government.
I agree with Aleksei above on one of his points, that Israel as a community of persons under governmental control does now exist, with all the imperfections of any world government but also with some stable elements as a community. And its current government is behaving glaringly badly in some respects, as can be (and is) pointed out here. We have the same horror happening in the United States. But countries are not omelets; you don’t improve the recipe by breaking them – surely we know that now from the nightmare of the Middle East wreckage the world has been going through. The world is visibly suffering its own mega-genocide thanks to all this carnage. It has to stop. How? World opinion has to make it happen; it is already beginning. This site is an important element of that change.
Let’s peaceably pressure countries to conform to the best interests of the people who reside in them. The admirable examples are Putin and Lavrov, who continue to call for diplomacy even as those they would have be partners ignore and villify them. Bravo: my heroes! They have embarked on the sad course of trying to clean up this mess, and I am only repeating what they say: Let’s stop breaking eggs! The earth cannot take much more of this, and we have so many needs to address for everyone’s immediate survival that aggressive tactics and self-serving, propagandistic statements are a luxury we can no longer afford. The earth, our common home, suffers with every bomb blast as does every life form upon it.
Let these bombs now falling on wartorn Syria be the last; let the violent ones surrender or return to their homes in peace; that will always be my prayer.
Let the earth heal.
in order to understand the mess, I think we have to keep in mind iran was handed over to the islamists. you are too sane still, the same families that gave us ww2 are at work. Imagine what will happen to billions of poor people when the iran israel war starts, we are WAY out on a limb by design, and when the world economy core functioning gets disrupted, ALL will be effected. Good luck, but better than luck, take your loved ones to safety now, whatever that means in your situation, food sources and location should be reviewed immediately, and now while you can, take action.
Mulga,
Spot on.
Interestingly, when I posted about the collaboration between the Nazi regime and the Zionist Jews to colonize Israel to UNZ Review, it didn’t get published.
My first inkling years ago that the narrative of wholesale Nazi slaughter of the Jews was suspicious came from the memoirs of a British woman married to a German lawyer during the war. She was in Hamburg and knew many prominent business people including Jews.
One evening, after the announcement of the invasion of Poland, and the setting up of work camps there, she was at a dinner party. Some of the guests were Jewish businessmen – very well off. They were excited by the chance of getting Polish real estate cheap.
Her observation?
‘Some Jews make very good Nazis.’
This was always a class war. Most of the high-profile Jews sent to the camps initially were labour leaders and Marxist intellectuals.
I wonder how many of those Israeli ‘survivors’ in the vanguard of the Palestine invasion have very different histories to the ones they have passed on to their descendants?
The truth will out eventually.
That the Zionists of the Yishuv made contact with the Nazis with a view to encouraging German Jews to emigrate to Palestine is a matter of historical record.
That many German Jews were slow to realise the danger they were in is also a matter of historical record (read Saul Friedlander on the subject).
Your anecdote does not advance your case very far at all: My great aunt’s father was an industrialist in Berlin. He got his immediate family out in the late ’30s (via Turkey). The rest of his extended family died in the camps.
The only thing “suspicious” about the Nazis’ wholesale slaughter of Europe’s Jews is that anyone at this late stage can still persuade themselves to ignore the overwhelming mass of evidence for what the Nazis did.
Ewan, if you want to know the truth about the close collaboration between the Zionists and the Nazis you could start with Lenni Brenner’s ’51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis’. That the Zionists willingly sacrificed millions of their fellows to the death-pits of the Einsatzgruppen and the gas-chambers, and other horrors, tells you all you need to know about the soul of Israel, founded in the shadow of a catastrophe that the Zionists helped engineer, then existing for seventy years in the continued destruction and brutalisation of another people, the Palestinians, whose only sin was to ‘get in the way’.
The documentary record of Zionist contacts pre-War with the Nazis and with the US government, and post-War with the Occupying Powers, reveals a ruthless focus on advancing the cause of Zionism, even to the extent of giving it priority over the safety and well-being of European Jews. This is not the same as “willingly sacrificing millions of their fellows to the death-pits of the Einsatzgruppen and the gas-chambers” Nor is it grounds for claiming that the Zionists “helped engineer” the “catastrophe” (the holocaust, I take it). I’m pretty sure you can see the vast and unbridgeable gulf between the evidence and your lurid conclusions.
I’m not so sure Ewan. You have the awkward fact of ‘Judea Declaring War on Germany’, a campaign inaugurated by Diaspora Jews, mostly in the USA to attack Germany politically after the election of the Nazis. That didn’t help matters. It did not, of course, justify in any way the pogroms then the extermination, but it was really unwise, particularly coming from overseas.
There were also a number of occasions where the Zionists worked against the interests of European Jewry, which may be because the upper ranks of European Jewry, rich families who had been socially dominant for generations, made good their escapes. Ben-Gurion wrote that if he had to choose between saving half the Jewish children by sending them to Palestine, or all of them by sending them to England, he would choose the half in Palestine. The destruction of the Hungarian Jews so late in the war has also been blamed on Zionist machinations, and has caused some long-running rancour and legal dispute inside Israel.
All in all, I do feel that Zionism has always been a dangerous ideology for the Jews and a catastrophe for the Palestinians and Israel’s neighbours. When you consider the sheer insanity and viciousness of Netanyahoo’s attempt to blame the Palestinians for the Nazi Judeocide, and the continuing descent of much of Israeli society into the rawest race hatred, with pitiless murder, dispossession, land theft, house demolitions, settler terrorism and ceaseless vilification in Zionist controlled MSM, ubiquitous, thus provoking the horror of knife attacks on Israelis, it really looks to me that the Israeli Right is moving rapidly to a Final Solution for the Palestinian Problem. I doubt that the world would accept the genocide that figures like Ayelet Shaked and numerous religious extremists have urged, but a mass expulsion looks more and more feasible. That would be a bitter irony, but it’s been spoken of in Israel for decades.
There is no room for doubt. You said the Zionists “willingly sacrificed millions” and “helped engineer” the holocaust. This is poisonous. It is not supported by any evidence.
Can I also suggest that you risk appearing to consider Zionists uniquely evil. I know you don’t. You’re aware of the crimes of others. But you surely don’t want simply to rant. Zionists are simply in the main a further example of how European colonists treat “natives”. And they are not uniquely ruthless. You or someone else mentioned Churchill and the Bengalis, and Europeans and the native Americans. There’s also Kagame and the Congolese, the Belgians and the Congolese, Stalin and “kulaks”, Mao and the whole Chinese population during his “Great Leap Forward”, ancient Rome and the Carthaginians, Chingis Khan and the Persians… Indeed the Zionists’ efforts are fairly small scale by comparison!
Is it not more effective to criticise rather than rant?
No Ewan.
As you state yourself, Mulga has never argued Zionism is a ‘unique’ historical evil. The point he makes is that its ideology (essentially supremacist) is a *persistent* evil, whose believers are a threat to world peace by virtue of their constant violation of norms of international law.
The Israelis Jews are colonists and human rights violators, and their neo-con US variant (with covert support from imperialists like the UK and French Establishments ) use their position to bring war and chaos to the world, especially the Middle East.
It is to be noted too they have subverted the essentials of Christianity to generate a cult in the States (The ‘Rapture’) to these ends: Zionism is not exclusively Jewish by any means.
Nevertheless, the cult of Zionism did indeed play a major part in the colonial expropriation of Palestine post-WW ll. It continues its path of havoc under extremists like Bennett and Shaked, while the atheistic but opportunistic neo-con cabal exploit the cult for personal enrichment.
A good historical overview of the Zionist/Nazi link and why Wahaabism is essentially the same ‘supremacist’ perversion (except adopting Islamic ‘clothing’ to disguise itself:) Why do you think the Israeli military not so long ago stated ISIL is not a threat to Israel while Islamic Iran is?
https://riversong.wordpress.com/zionism-and-nazism/
I tried to be precise. The rant produces the false impression that the ranter thinks Zionists uniquely bad. American exceptionalism is much more nicely packaged but more lethal. The British Empire was not a bundle of laughs for those on the receiving end. Zionism is a pernicious ideology, but all this stuff about Zionists helping engineer the holocaust is poison as bizarre as Netanyahu’s.
And, no, surely it is wrong to say that “they” have subverted the essentials of Christianity. If anyone has, it’s Christians.
And, no, surely it is wrong to say that Wahaabism is “essentially the same supremacist perversion”. It is another example of how a religion can be perverted by some of its adherents. We have seen it again and again. It is not some sinister conspiracy of supremacists, it is apparently a natural disease of religion (it even affects Sri Lankan Buddhists for goodness sake!).
You have yourself indicated why Israel’s strategists might think IS useful. The Balkanisation of their neighbours has long been their prime goal.
Why israel has no futur in the ME? Ridiculous. As long as the conflict is on a religious basis, arabs has no futur in the ME. Why? because islam and christianity are a jewish creation. Every time a muslim or christian preaches he is glorifying israel. Read the old testament, the new and the coran. That’s an insanity. The power of the jews is god. Because they have invented it. rest is plagiat.
@ fayez chergui,
You are right that Jews created God. Yes, both Christians and Muslims tried to plagait to create God, but they drastically failed.
Mohamed.
There is neither “Israel” nor “wiped off” etc. in Khamenei’s speech. I don’t know why the lie of the century has been repeated here.
Salam Gesine Hammerling,
Well Said! :)
Best regards,
Mohamed.