Note from The Saker: amongst my many blind spots and list of topics I know practically nothing about there is, to my great shame, the topic of Hungarian politics. Therefore please address your comments, criticisms and reactions (and thanks!!!) to American Kulak but not to me. I am most definitely the least qualified to say anything at all about this.
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The Saker
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Return of the Magyars: Hungary’s President Calls Out the US as Morally and Financially Bankrupt
by American Kulak
With so many developments in Ukraine and now a renewed US war on Syria with the Islamic State as the pretext, it has been easy to overlook important developments in the struggle to restore sovereign nations in Europe. As described in my last guest post here at the Vineyard, Scottish independence vote on Thursday, September 18 has forced Anglo-American mainstream media to cover the topic of ‘separatism’ as a wave spreading from the Scottish Highlands to Spain’s Catalonia. Many mainstream media outlets have repeated ridiculous propaganda about NATO or the EU coming apart and the economic sky falling from a Scottish ‘Yes’ vote (James Bond film reference deliberate in that sentence). Some of the usual Russophobic voices have started whining about ‘pro-Kremlin bloggers’ trolling Washington and London on Twitter with humorous captions supporting Scotland’s independence [https://twitter.com/torrek_info/status/509325448338472960], or the positive statements Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond has made about Vladimir Putin. [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/30/alex-salmond-vladimir-putin-remarks]
A Short Disclaimer Regarding Hungary
Today’s topic is the next target for the Empire’s Two Minutes Hate propaganda in Europe (besides Marie Le Pen and the National Front of France): the ancient nation of Hungary and her proud president, Viktor Orban. Let me start by saying that as an American citizen and independent blogger, I have no financial or blood ties to Hungary, nor is my intent to defend all of Budapest’s policies. My purpose in this post is to examine why the Empire increasingly views the Hungarian government with disdain and has sent out its usual NGO and media mouthpieces to trash President Viktor Orban personally and attack his ‘Putinist’ pro-Russian worldview. In doing so I approach this post from the perspective of someone who is a neophyte to Hungarian politics, but not to the overall games the European Union plays to keep its member nations as vassals to what Saker calls the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ Empire.
Why is Budapest Emerging as a Key Russian Ally Within the European Union?
A Millennium of Hungarian History and Its Relevance to Novorossiya
The Hungarians, for those Saker readers who may not be familiar with their history, are descended from the same great migrations out of central Asia in the first millennium AD as the Bulgars, with Russian scholars believing the Magyars came out of a southern Urals homeland east of the Volga steppe. Driven by ancient enemies known as the Pechenegs who alternated between warring with the Orthodox Christian Eastern Roman Empire and serving as mercenaries of Byzantium, the Hungarians settled in the Danube River and Carpathian basins. Their language, like that of the Finns, is non-Indo European and easily exceeds Finnish and Basque as the most widely spoken non-Indo-European language on the European continent. Only a few decades after Prince Vladimir baptized the Kievan Rus in 987, the first Christian monarch of the Magyars Saint Stephen I converted the traditional seven Hungarian tribes to Christianity in the early 10th century. Under Stephen’s successful reign prior to the Great Schism of 1054 between Rome and Constantinople, Hungary prospered as the major trading route between the Germanic Holy Roman Empire and the Byzantines. Stephen’s younger sister married a Venetian prince who at that time was a key ally of Byzantium, while Stephen’s wife was a Bavarian princess. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_I_of_Hungary]
The historic parallels between Hungary and Rus did not stop with Stephen and the Second Rome, but continued in the 13th century. During those turbulent decades the Mongol Tartars, who subjugated nearly all of Russia, were turned back by Hungarian knights and their Holy Roman Empire allies. Unfortunately, wars in the following two centuries with the Poles and German kingdoms and dynastic struggles weakened the Hungarians, until they succumbed to the Ottoman Turkish advances and were forced into alliance with the Catholic Hapsburgs. This also led to the counter-reformation in the Hungarian lands, with negative consequences for Protestants and Orthodox Christians alike. In 1686 after the Turks decisive defeat by the Polish-led armies at the Battle of Vienna the future Hungarian capital of Buda was liberated from the Ottoman yoke, and the last Ottoman raid from Crimea into Hungary was recorded in 1717. After the 1708 Battle of Trenscen the Hungarians were fully absorbed into the Papist Hapsburg Empire which became known as Austro-Hungary. During World War I the Hungarians suffered huge casualties fighting the Serbs and Russians on behalf of their Hapsburg emperor.
After WWI the key document many Hungarian nationalists to this day regard with bitterness, the Treaty of Trianon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon], was signed in 1920 which cost Hungary 71% of its territory and 66% of its pre-war population — an even more punitive outcome than the Allied diktats imposed on the Germans in the punitive Treaty of Versailles produced by the same victors. This lost territory included the TransCarpathian region which is today in far southwestern Ukraine, where the Hapsburgs had kept thousands of ethnic Rusyns in concentration camps for returning to Orthodox Christianity or refusing to convert to Papism during the First World War. It is from this territory that ethnic Rusyn and ethnic Hungarian community leaders have issued a joint statement in both languages about their desire to achieve the full autonomy within Ukraine they were promised in 1991 and denied since then by Kiev. In the same early August statement viewable with English subtitles on the Anti-Maidan YouTube channel, the Hungarian and Russian-speaking Rusyn leaders denounced Kiev’s war against Novorossiya and mentioned Rusyn/Hungarian solidarity based on a 1,000 years of peaceful coexistence. This statement was carried on Hungarian television and is viewable here: [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e14_1408064269]. More background on the Rusyns undergoing Hapsburg and other persecutions from a pro-Rusyn/Russian perspective can be found here: [http://02varvara.wordpress.com/tag/rusyn/].
It’s no accident, that on the heavily Empire-manipulated platform of Wikipedia, the Rusyns are covered under ‘Peoples of Ukraine’ despite the fact that they are spread across borders with Poland, Slovakia and Hungary, and that the Rusyn autonomy or separatist movement dating back to 1991 is dismissed as a Kremlin project [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusyns#Trans-Carpathian_separatist_movement]. In short, regardless of Hungary’s willingness to sell the Kiev regime hundreds of T-72 battle tanks to replace catastrophic Ukrainian losses of armor in recent months, Kiev views Hungarian nationalism with suspicion. The Ukrainian ultra-nationalists and Galicia Nazis (correctly in my opinion) suspect alongside their Anglo-American globalist patrons that if Ukraine completely implodes Trans-Carpathia could secede like Novorossiya, but with Hungarian rather than Russian sponsorship.
The worst nightmare of the Kiev junta is not only losing Kharkov, Zaporozhe and Odessa regions to Novorossiya, but facing a simultaneous NAF and Russian-allied uprising in the guerrilla-friendly Carpathians backed by Hungarian guns and fighters. Even a peaceful, anti-war and anti-oligarchic Hungarian/Rusyn Maidan would have to be crushed by the Kiev Nazis using brutal methods Washington and Brussels would have trouble excusing or imposing a news blackout over.
One other point is relevant to the paragraph above. Under the notorious 1938 Munich agreement between Nazi Germany and her allies and the Western powers, Hungary made territorial gains at the expense of Czechoslovakia, which was completely carved up between Nazi Germany, Hungary, the pro-Nazi Slovak regime of the time, and the sainted ‘Christ between two thieves’ Poles. This included Carpatho-Ruthenia, which became western Ukraine after the War. The Nazis cultivated the fascist Arrow Cross Party as allies, and had no interest in any maintaining Czech-granted autonomy for any Russophilic peoples as they plotted to invade the Soviet Union. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALmLkFmAF8&src_vid=biy1mH8o8_M&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_105606].
The Hungarians participated in Operation Barbarossa and fought alongside their uneasy Romanian and German allies until the Soviets smashed the Axis lines near Stalingrad in November 1942. The Hungarians like the Bulgarians sought to switch sides as soon as it was obvious Nazi Germany was doomed in mid-1943 but a fascist puppet regime was installed to keep Hungary in the war. The Arrow Cross Nazi puppet state collapsed under Red Army guns in early 1945. In October and November of 1956 a Hungarian uprising against the Soviets was crushed by Red Army tanks sent by Nikita Khrushchev. This uprising had been inspired by broadcasts into Hungary by Radio Free Europe, but the Eisenhower Administration did very little to help the Hungarian freedom fighters besides raise token protests. Washington notably refused to cancel US grain shipments to the Soviet Union at that time and hosted Khrushchev (as pointed out in a recent column by Patrick J. Buchanan) within months of the Soviets killing thousands of Hungarians. The anniversary of the October 23rd uprising became a national holiday in 1989 when Communist regimes across the Warsaw Pact collapsed. Among the young Hungarian activists celebrating their country’s return to the West was a then 26-year-old co-founder of the Hungarian Alliance of Young Democrats, Viktor Orban. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidesz]
Why President Viktor Orban is Viewed as a Traitor to the Atlanticists and the Empire
James S. Denton is listed as the publisher and editor of World Affairs on his bio. World Affairs is the magazine of Freedom House, one of the many taxpayer-funded NGOs that has been in the business of regime change in Eastern Europe and Eurasia since the CIA and State Department decided to ‘outsource’ these propaganda functions during the mid-1980s. Interestingly enough, despite Hungarian President Viktor Orban’s alleged turn towards ‘Putinism’ Mr. Denton still lists himself as a former adviser to then Prime Minister Viktor Orban of Hungary here: [http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/staff-bios]. Presumably Denton was an advisor to Orban in 1998 when the democratic, anti-Communist reformer became the second youngest Prime Minister in Hungarian history. With a generally positive world economy during the years from 1998 to 2002 Orban’s government was able to cut taxes, abolish university tuition for qualified students, and expand maternity benefits, while attracting German industry with low-cost Hungarian labor. Most importantly to the Empire, in 1999 Hungary joined NATO along with Poland and the Czech Republic over Russia’s objections. That same year Hungary was forced to participate in the war against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia by participating in a trade embargo against Belgrade.
In recognition of Orban’s loyal efforts on behalf of NATO in 2002 he was awarded the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute’s Freedom Award and awards from the ‘New Atlantic Initiative’ and Germany’s ‘Förderpreis Soziale Marktwirtschaft’. Orban was clearly accepted by the trans-Atlantic elites. But everything started to change in 2010 when his Fidesz returned to power after six years in opposition. Suddenly Orban’s party had a two thirds majority, enough to change the Hungarian constitution, and Orban became a ‘European Hugo Chavez’ in the words of the German Green party politician Daniel Cohn-Bendit — ironically, a former 1968 radical whose younger self would’ve appreciated Red Chavismo. This started a wave of propaganda against the Hungarian government alleging that it was crushing the opposition, restricting a free press, in short demonizing Fidesz as the Hungarian version of United Russia and Orban as the Hungarian Putin.
To be fair, Orban did not take the German and Anglo-American/Atlanticist criticism lying down. He denounced German TV propaganda against Hungary, reminding Merkel about Nazi occupation of his country during WWII, and refused to back off the anti-EU rhetoric he had cleverly promoted since at least 2006. Orban’s critics doubled down on their shrill rhetoric accusing him of destroying democracy and minority rights in Hungary, signing sweetheart nuclear energy and gas deals with Russia, and pandering to the ultra-nationalist if not fascist Jobbik party which has won 20% of the vote and made anti-Jewish statements. The same Jobbik party the Empire’s propaganda shills like Jamie Kirchick of the neocon propaganda-staffel ‘Foundation for the Defense of Democracies’ alleges is part of a vast Putinist conspiracy to bring right wing parties to power across Europe using covert Kremlin cash. [http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/168942/why-hungarys-jobbik-party-won-while-it-lost]
Orban’s ‘Infamous’ ‘Illiberal’ Speech of July 26, 2014 and Why the Empire (Correctly) Sees It as Treason Against the ‘New World Order’
Which brings us to the present controversies — not only over Orban’s stubborn refusal together with the Austrians to support more sanctions against Russia over Ukraine, but above all over Orban’s speech this summer denouncing the USA’s dominance of Europe and the EU’s subservience to a declining American Empire. To the Atlanticist elites who had long condemned Orban as an aspiring dictator — the ‘Mussolini of Hungary’ as the shriveling circulation Newsweek dubbed him — Orban had declared war on democracy. [http://www.newsweek.com/hungarys-mussolini-vows-make-eu-member-illiberal-state-262127]
For Charles Gati, a Senior Research Professor of European and Eurasian Studies at Johns Hopkins University [http://www.sais-jhu.edu/charles-gati], the sense of betrayal was personal: Orban had been one of his brightest young students in the heady days after the fall of Communism in Hungary. For Orban to describe the United States as a malign cultural and economic influence on Europe was a slap to the face to Gati and others like Freedom House’s James S. Denton who had groomed Orban to be a reliable satrap of benevolent US hegemony. Gati’s op-ed for the same AEI that had once given Orban its Freedom Award was titled, “Putin’s Mini-Me: The Mask is Off”. [http://www.the-american-interest.com/articles/2014/08/07/the-mask-is-off/] In his American Interest piece Gati quotes Orbán telling a room in Washington back in 1998: “whatever I know about contemporary politics and history I’ve learned from Professor Gati.” Gati accused his former pupil of issuing an “incoherent” rant against the USA that made no sense in the original Hungarian or when translated into English, full of anti-American “clichés”. Nearly all Western media outlets that covered Orban’s speech delivered to a group of peaceful Hungarian nationalists at a ‘right-wing’ youth summer camp in late July concurred. No one apparently wanted to quote the speech or take it seriously as a patriotic cry from the heart against the decadence and decline of the Western civilization Orban had embraced as a young man.
The Essence of ‘Orbanism’ — Disillusionment with the West and the Search for a Eurasian Future
So, what exactly did Orban say in Kotscse near Lake Balaton, that was so shocking the press-titutes were terrified to quote it at any length? Here are the most important excerpts, in my opinion, as translated by The Budapest Beacon and preserved here: [http://hungarianspectrum.wordpress.com/2014/07/31/viktor-orbans-speech-at-the-xxv-balvanyos-free-summer-university-and-youth-camp-july-26-2014-baile-tusnad-tusnadfurdo/]. Orban starts by referring to the defining moment of Hungarian politics, the change or Die Wende of 1989, saying for too long Hungarians have clung to the recent past rather than addressed the 21st century future:
My speech today is not connected to the elections. Our acting president introduced us as regime changers, and did it by recalling the regime change. This represents well that for our generation the regime change is the generational experience to which we compare everything, against which we measure everything, from where we start to define everything that happens around us. It seems natural, although it is rather a disadvantage for us, not an advantage.
As speeches go, this is hardly controversial stuff. But what follows is what has angered Washington’s propagandists of unshakable Western hegemony and unending Anglo-American dominance:
I would suggest to shortly remind ourselves that in the 20th Century there have been three major world-regime changes. At the end of World War I, at the end of World War II, and in 1990. The common points in these were – I might have mentioned this here once – that when the changes manifested it was clear for all of us that we are going to live in a different world overnight. Let’s say it was very clear here after Trianon [the previously mentioned Hungarian ‘Versailles diktat’ of 1920 that cut off Budapest from ancient lands – AK], just as it was in Budapest after World War II as well. If the people looked around and saw the invading Soviet troops they knew that a new world was about to begin. In ’90 when we succeeded in breaking and displacing the communists, it was clear after the first parliamentary elections that a new world had arrived for us: the wall in Berlin collapsed, elections were held and this is another future.
Now I must quote Orban at length, for he gets to the essence of his statement — ‘the West’ as a unitary entity led by the USA with a [soon to be Scotland-less] United Kingdom sidekick looks washed up, and it’s Davos-attending Western politicians and tycoons themselves who are saying so. Orban also — shock, horror — dismisses the so-called ‘economic recovery’ in the United States since 2008 as the middle class destroying, Federal Reserve-pumped up and fake stats fraud that it is:
The statement intended to be the basic point of my talk here is that the changes in the world nowadays have the similar value and weight. We can identify its manifestation – that point when it became clear – as the financial crisis of 2008 or rather the Western financial crisis. And the importance of this change is less obvious because people sense it in a different way as the previous three. It was unclear in 2008 during the huge Western financial collapse that we are going to live in a different world from now on. The shift is not that sharp as in the case of the three previous world regime changes and it somehow slowly resolved in our minds, as the fog sets on the land. If we look around and analyze the things happening around us, for six years this has been a different world from the one we lived in. And if we project the processes for the future – which always has a risk – it is a reasonable intellectual exercise, and we see well that the changes will only have a bigger impact.
Well, Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen, for the sake of illustrating the deepness of this change, without any particular order, I assembled a few sentences, ideas from the Western World, as well as one or two from the Eastern World, too, that are stunning. If we assessed them through the lens of the pre-2008 liberal worldview, we would be shocked. Yet if we do not view it that way but understand from these sentences how long a way we have gone in terms of public speech, topics and their articulations in these last six years, then these sentences to be quoted will help us understand how profound the change is that is taking place in the world today.
Very briefly: In America, the President of the US has made numerous and repeated statements regarding how America has been engulfed by cynicism, and the task for American society and the American government is to declare war on cynicism originating from the financial sector. Before 2008, such a statement would have resulted in exclusion from gentlemanlike international discourse, additionally because of the characteristics of the financial system, it would probably have even been tainted with as being sinister, making any utterance of such sentences extremely perilous. Contrary to this, these ideas constantly appear in the American press as of late. The US president says that if a hardworking American constantly has to choose between career and family, that America will lose its place in the world economy. Or the President openly speaks about economic patriotism. He [Obama] says such sentences that would still earn beating and stoning in today’s provincial Hungarian public life. For example, he openly speaks about how companies employing foreigners should pay their fair share in taxes. Or he openly speaks about how companies employing Americans should be supported before anyone else. These are all voices, ideas and sentences that would have been unimaginable six or eight years earlier.
To proceed further, according to a well-recognized analyst, the strength of American “soft power” is deteriorating, because liberal values today incorporate corruption, sex and violence and with this liberal values discredit America and American modernization [This is the so-called ‘cliche’ that Gati found so intolerable, which appears self-evident to the Kulak and millions of other Christian and traditionalist Americans – AK]. Also, the Open Society Foundation [funded by George Soros – AK] published a study not long ago analyzing Western Europe. In this, we could read a sentence which says that Western Europe was so preoccupied with solving the situation of immigrants that it forgot about white working class. Or the British prime minister said that as a consequence of the changes happening in Europe, many became freeloaders on the back of the welfare systems. One of the richest Americans, who was one of the first investors in the company Amazon stated that we are living in a society that is less and less capitalist and more and more feudal, and if the economic system does not reform itself then middle class will disappear, and, as he puts it, “the rich will be attacked by pitchforks”. Therefore, he [Orban is referring to the German-born Amazon.com billionaire investor Nick Hanauer’s article published in Politico here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014.html#.VBJjGfldV8E -AK] thinks a middle-up economic model is needed instead of a top-down model. It is not my intention to interpret these sentences, simply to cite them here in order to show the novelty of these ideas that were impossible to talk about only six years ago.
Or, similarly from America, the number of unemployed youth has drastically risen [Mr. Orban clearly doesn’t buy the ‘cooked’ US unemployment numbers contrasted with the real 16-20% unemployment figures compiled by John Williams published at ShadowStats.com – AK], and in the case of the most promising career options, children from families with affluent families receive a far greater advantage – this is said in the homeland of social mobility [a reference by Orban, perhaps, to the millions of Hungarians who emigrated to the USA prior to and after WWII – AK]. Or to cite something else: another respected analyst said that the internet, understood by the liberal world as the greatest symbol of freedom for many long years, is being colonized by big corporations. His statement suggests that the big question is whether great capitalist companies, meaning international corporations, would be successful in doing away with the neutrality of the internet. Going forward, to quote a development that is both dear and unexpected for us, the English prime minister, who awkwardly avoids his party being identified as Christian Democratic, stands up in before the public stating that Christianity is a core principle of British values, and despite multiculturalism, Great Britain is a Christian country in heart, and this is a fact to be proud of.
Besides suggesting the USA is a power in cultural and economic decline, Orban added blasphemy to heresy by suggesting Hungary could learn much from the rising BRIC nations, plus the Hungarians old Ottoman overlords the Turks who have modernized their economy under the authoritarian and double-dealing (between Iran, Russia, and China on one side and NATO and the Sunni Persian Gulf states on the other) Recep Tayyip Erdogan:
Everyone was only talking about competition in the world economy. Globalization on the international scale made it necessary to do a lot of talking, writing and analysis about it, and this phenomenon is known in details. We can more or less know why a major economic interest group, for example the European Union, is competitive, or why it is losing its competitiveness. However, according to many, and I belong to them, today this is not the principal question. It remains an important question. As long as people live off money and economy, this will remain an important question. Yet there is an even more important race. I would articulate this as a race to invent a state that is most capable of making a nation successful. As the state is nothing else but a method of organizing a community, a community that in our case sometimes coincides with our country’s borders, sometimes not, but I will get back to that, the defining aspect of today’s world can be articulated as a race to figure out a way of organizing communities, a state that is most capable of making a nation competitive. This is why, Honorable Ladies and Gentlemen a trending topic in thinking is understanding systems that are not Western, not liberal, not liberal democracies, maybe not even democracies, and yet making nations successful. Today, the stars of international analyses are Singapore, China, India, Turkey, Russia. And I believe that our political community rightly anticipated this challenge, and if we think back on what we did in the last four years, and what we are going to do in the following four years, than it really can be interpreted from this angle. We are searching for and we are doing our best to find – parting ways with Western European dogmas, making ourselves independent from them – the form of organizing a community, that is capable of making us competitive in this great world-race.
By great world race and dismissing mere economic competition as the only deciding factor of the 21st century, Orban was hinting strongly that the first duty of any Hungarian government is the preservation of the Hungarian peoples, wherever they may live. Because some Jobbik members who may indeed be fascists speak this way, as do the Ukrainian Nazis who imagine the Cossacks of Rostov or Krasnodar oblasts don’t realize that they are Ukrainians, it’s easy to label such ideas ‘fascist’. But Hungary, as many observers of its demographics have pointed out, is a nation experiencing or facing severe graying and population decline.
Clearly when Orban says ‘competitive in this great world-race’ he means preserving the Hungarians as a people rather than seeing them slowly replaced by peoples from the Middle East [North Africa, the Levant and Turkish Kurdistan all seem primed for population explosions and lengthy unrest in the years to come- AK] or elsewhere during this century. Just in case there was any confusion about what Orban meant, his reference to the ‘white working class’ of Great Britain should make it clear: the purpose of a sovereign nation is the health and long-term well-being of the majority population of that nation, not globalist ‘values’ or economic growth divorced from human needs. While I am personally not a fan of Alexandr Dugin, one most acknowledge this is much closer to Duginism and Eurasianism than Orban’s old Atlanticist, pro-EU positions. Orban’s use of the phrase ‘non-liberal state’ is in fact, almost pure Duginism, perhaps taken straight from the pages of Dugin’s book The 4th Political Theory by an Orban speechwriter. In the book, Dugin contends that after three centuries liberalism dating to the acts of tolerance that ended Europe’s bloody 30 Years Wars and restored the British crown after Cromwell’s revolt, liberalism has exhausted itself. [You can watch English subtitles of Dugin summarizing his book in less than ten minutes, and describing how many European languages it has been translated into here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QrnJKf-hhE]
Orban Vows to Resist the Empire’s Colored Revolution and ‘NGO-istan’ Tactics
Consequently, what is happening today in Hungary can interpreted as an attempt of the respective political leadership to harmonize relationship between the interests and achievement of individuals – that needs to be acknowledged – with interests and achievements of the community, and the nation. Meaning, that Hungarian nation is not a simple sum of individuals, but a community that needs to be organized, strengthened and developed, and in this sense, the new state that we are building is an illiberal state, a non-liberal state. It does not deny foundational values of liberalism, as freedom, etc.. But it does not make this ideology a central element of state organization but applies a specific, national, particular approach in its stead.
Is Orban a Eurasianist?
Like Dugin, like Igor Strelkov, and like Vladimir Putin, Orban calls out a fifth column in his country. These are, of course, the same Rockefeller and Fortune 500 funded foundations, think tanks, and NGOs that cultivated Central European politicans like… former AEI employee and husband to the Washington Post’s Anne Applebaum Radek Sikorski. [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/22/poland-foreign-minister-alliance-us-worthless] And former Czech Prime Minister Vaclav Klaus, who has called the EU the 4th Reich (German Continental economic dominance under Washington’s tutelage [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/cyprus/9948545/Southern-Europe-lies-prostrate-before-the-German-imperium.html]) and compared Brussels bureaucrats to their Soviet predecessors [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8289920.stm]. And of course, the AEI and Johns Hopkins ‘educated’ Viktor Orban, who now defies the EU.
Whereas Sikorski was caught on tape bitterly telling a fellow Polish politician when he thought no one was listening that Poland has sexually serviced the US and received nothing in return; Orban has turned on his former handlers and now calls them out for what they are — foreign agents of influence and globalist occupiers of his country:
Now, Hungarian NGO landscape shows a very particular image. Ideally a civil politician as opposed to professional is an individual who is organizing bottom-up, financially independent and the nature of his work is voluntary. If we look at civil organizations in Hungary, the one that appears before public, now debates around the Norwegian Fund brought this on the surface, then what I will see is that we have to deal with paid political activists here. And these political activists are moreover political activists paid by foreigners. Activists paid by definite political circles of interest. It is hard to imagine that these circles have a social agenda. It is more likely that they would like to exercise influence through this system of instruments on Hungarian public life. It is vital, therefore, that if we would like to reorganize our nation state instead of the liberal state, that we should make it clear, that these are not civilians coming against us, opposing us, but political activists attempting to promote foreign interests. Therefore it is very apt that a committee was being formed in the Hungarian parliament that deals with constant monitoring, recording and publishing foreign attempts to gain influence, so that all of us here, you as well will be aware of who are the characters behind the masks.
Since this piece has been exceptionally lengthy even by the Vineyard’s standards, I will leave the Saker and his readers with Orban’s conclusion for his compatriots who happen to live outside Hungary’s present borders — in what is a clear message to Kiev, Bucharest and ultimately Washington that national identity won’t be crushed under EUro-globalism:
Now the only question that remains, honorable ladies and gentlemen, and it is a question that I am not entitled to answer, that in times like this, when anything could happen, should we be afraid, or should we instead be hopeful? Because the present order of the world is not exactly to our taste, that this future, although it is uncertain, it could even cause huge trouble, it also holds opportunities and developments for our Hungarian nation. So instead of seclusion, fear and withdrawal I recommend courage, prospective thinking, rational, but brave action to the Hungarian communities in the Carpathian basin [the old Rusyn lands – AK] but also throughout the world. As anything can happen, it can easily happen that our time will come. Thank you for your honorific attention.
Saker, thank you for posting this. I only have one request when you have the chance to post more material later — I think I left out an between “Very briefly: In America, the President of the US has made numerous and repeated statements regarding how America has been engulfed by cynicism…” and “Going forward, to quote a development that is both dear and unexpected for us, the English prime minister, who awkwardly avoids his party being identified as Christian Democratic, stands up in before the public stating that Christianity is a core principle of British values, and despite multiculturalism, Great Britain is a Christian country in heart, and this is a fact to be proud of.” to indicate this too is an extended quote of Orban and are not my own words. Otherwise the piece looks great, and I apologize for the missing HTML.
As for those who may have their critiques or say I know nothing about Hungarian/Central European politics, I’m sure you will all make good points. But keep in mind for me the goal of this piece was getting across the extraordinary nature of Orban’s speech this July and Orban increasingly REVELING in being a ‘HERETIC’ from Euro-Atlantic aka ‘Anglo-Zionist’ orthodoxy.
A blessed Sunday to all,
AK
Thanks for a very lengthy read that opened my eyes to a more complex European situation than what I have seen of the various US poodles in so many European countries.
Rumors have circulated on the net for a few years in the conspiracy circles that the remapping of Eastern Europe is not to be an outcome favorable to the Western Imperialists. Although I doubt the Austro-Hungrian Empire per se will come back, I can see a confederation of states.
American Kulak,
I am always in awe of the mysteries which reveal just enough of themselves to utterly expose my ignorance. Your piece, as an initial revelation of things Hungarian and how they relate to the struggle against the Empire, is just such a revelation. With my revealed ignorance comes a the aforementioned sense of awe as its shadow, humility. Awe and humility bring curiosity. With curiosity comes a thirst and ensuing quest for truth, and with that hopefully the necessary discipline to learn and to endure. Thus, I am poised to learn more from those who can teach me.
No we should not be afraid to support true democratic freedom.
To quote the US – ‘are we not a freedom loving democracy endeavouring to gift our values to others?’ As George Orwell would say white is black and black is white!
Beware of men bearing gifts!
Jack Nicholson on American freedom (in Easy Rider):
What’s it all about?
“Oh, yeah, that’s right. That’s what’s it’s all about, all right. But talkin’ about it and bein’ it, that’s two different things. I mean, it’s real hard to be free when you are bought and sold in the marketplace. Of course, don’t ever tell anybody that they’re not free, ‘cause then they’re gonna get real busy killin’ and maimin’ to prove to you that they are. Oh, yeah, they’re gonna talk to you, and talk to you, and talk to you about individual freedom. But they see a free individual, it’s gonna scare ‘em. And that makes ’em dangerous.”
And this is known in the heart and soul of America, whose best sons and daughters are revolutionaries and criminals, outlaws – the main value of America is the idea of radical freedom, essentially anarchy, which is a necessary component of modern social development. Now, Americans are acting like cowards, and western Europeans even more so. But right around the corner, the change is coming, and everybody can see it. And even the dumbed-down Americans can feel it. They know they live in a police state.
The US, the Five Eyes and western Europe are fighting a losing battle in the service of – what, they don’t even know. How sad that they desperately cling to their neoliberal, neofascist dreams. How much more chaos and death will they create? How can you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?
– from the USA
In short, we are returning to a post ideological age of nationalisms, where ethnicity, culture, and shared values are making a comeback after a century of suppression. Unfortunately for English speakers, the “Five Eyes” nations have been so mongrelised that no such renaissance is possible. I have often thought about how nice it is for East Asians. Japan is for the Japanese. Korea is for Koreans. Thailand is for the Thais. The “Five Eyes” are for sale to the highest bidder or given away for free to anyone who wanders across their open borders. :(
American Kulak,
Thank you so very much for this piece — I’m both impressed and exceedingly grateful for all the time and effort it had to have taken you to put this together. I’ve got a couple of quick (?) questions for you while I chew away on the deeper stuff — Which. May. Take. A. While. simply bc there’s so much here to unpack.
First off though, I’m wondering what your thoughts are on the kinds of pressures might have been brought to bear to get those T-72 tanks? It just seems so incongruous with everything else he’s done. Next, you stated that the Empire might have trouble excusing or blacking out news about even peaceful anti-war, anti-oligarchic Maidan type protests in the Carpathians but I’m not sure I understand why. And finally, I’m not asking you to research any more but I’m curious, if you happen to know, about both Jobbik per se and also their relationship with Orban and the ideas and goals set forth here.
We certainly do seem to be on the cusp of something though — and I can’t thank you enough for that wonderful guy with the bagpipes! ;~) (Wouldn’t it be lovely if down the road a bit some Highlanders return the favor?)
Many people don’t realise this, but the region of Hungary, more specifically, the Hungarian Plain, long before there was ever a Rome or any Greek city-states, probably had the strongest influence on how the people of Europe turned out. In fact, without the Hungarian Plain, there would never have been a Rome or a Greece.
Given Hungary’s pivotal role in the formation of European peoples, it would be ironic if changes happening there again resulted in major European changes now.
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German Green party politician Daniel Cohen-Bandit?
Hmmm, let me guess where his true flag flies… Anyway, the guy hasn’t done a decent day work in all of his life. Like all other politicians, just ‘blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…, blah.’
Oh, and he’s as green as my banana is red.
@ Joy,
Q: Japan is for the Japanese. Korea is for Koreans. Thailand is for the Thais…
R: What made/makes you believe that?
Unca Sam rules not only the Pacific waves, but its omnipotent, military presence can be felt and seen in every country you’ve mentioned.
They’re as free as that chained parrot in your local zoo.
Bravo for the review!
This is the result of realization on part of more & more those who are deciding about the future of their people that of the three dominant social models: egalitarianism (socialism & communism), fashism, & nationalism, only the last one has survived as a healthy one.
It’s not for nothing that nation, “a family in a broader sense” (Solzenitsin), along with family, the basic cell of every society, are under attack across the world by the globalists.
A perverse version of individualism is promoted for one simple reason: to put under total control inexperienced youth (otherwise able to complete its development only within family) for its own ends. To prevent any kind of joint resistance to the well-organized globalists, various sidelined issues – all kinds of “rights” & “freedoms” – are invented all of which attack the institution of family.
Raised to the level of an inartificial nation, this model of subjugation is what we are living through nowadays.
Thanks God, however, instances of resistance are appearing where would one expect them the least. Therefore, there is still hope for the humanity!
Nice article – but I have one quibble.
“the Treaty of Trianon signed in 1920 cost Hungary 71% of its territory and 66% of its pre-war population.” Much of that land and population (like Slovakia, where my family had to serve in Hungarian regiments of the Austrian Army in WWI) – had little or no Hungarians, so they didn’t belong in Hungary.
Thanks for this extended post. Any dissent within the EU is welcomed at this time. The lock step compliancne with the overlords who control Obama-Kerry-Cameron, etc., has to be challenged.
We’re at a stage right now where cooperation is vital and should prevail over competition (unless that serves cooperation). We’re looking at two doomsday dates 2045 and 2065, the earliest date of cascading eco catastrophes and the latest based on real science. That’s what makes the meddling and mendacity about Ukraine so utterly appalling. We don’t have time. We need to cooperate with Russia, China, India and everyone else to save a human society where there is hope for anything, liber or non liberal.
Theory is fine but science and engineering are paramount. It’s time to get serous about humanity. That’s the true humanism that flow from any spiritual or ideological system.
A very interesting and informative piece Kulak.
It reminds me that once upon a time there was a progressive conservative nationalist element in Canada. They were about developing Canadian industry, social programs, R and D. They were also against integration with the United States. Even the Liberals with leaders such as Trudeau had national policies such as the Foreign Investment Review Agency, the Auto Pact, Petro Canada and the CRTC.
At least in Hungary, Russia etc. there are folks who are willing to take a stand for independence. Canada today is firmly under the control of the Continentalists/Anglo Zionists. Nationalism, such as it is, is more about banging the imperialist drum, fighting imperialist wars and vapid blathering about hockey and beer with a healthy dose of racism thrown into the mix.
This is one of the reasons I believe socialism is the answer for Canada. There is no true conservative elite to work with and any pro-independence program for popular sovereignty will have to be taken up by the Canadian proletariat (which includes native peoples, immigrants in the low wage sectors and workers who have not been bought off) who are most gravely impacted by Continentalist/Globalist projects such as “free” trade.
RRH
Thank you for the extremely interesting and thought-provoking essay on Hungary and thoughts on the search for alternative ways to lay the groundwork for a lebensfaehig national state.
Katherine
OT, somewhat related, though, as the ZPC/NWO enforced confiscation programs for the colonies are basically similar in all.
Господа мыздобулы, может, хватит? (The Lord of pizdoboly*, isn’t that enough?)
http://antifashist.com/item/gospoda-myzdobuly-mozhet-hvatit.html? (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/antifashist.com/item/gospoda-myzdobuly-mozhet-hvatit.html
“…So, the ill-fated Association Agreement, because of which so much blood has been spilled, deferred until 2016! Think about it, all this time we argued, what it’s wonderful how it will dramatically change life for the better, both in Ukraine will immediately be approved by the European standards of life as we overcome corruption, what leap will make Ukraine’s economy after the ratification of this Agreement. Enough to reconsider the videos of various atenokol just a year ago, diagrams of various UkrPROG etc.
We persistently explained why the Agreement is detrimental to the economy of Ukraine, why it throws us back to why it causes much more harm than good. We brought the calculations, calculations, figures, and they called us liars.
And now they delay the introduction of the Agreement on a year and a half! And did not even bother to come up with some decent explanation! They did so and explain: – delayed Agreement to now, at this stage, not to completely ruin the Ukrainian economy! Wait, so who in the end was a liar when he told tales about the unprecedented positive economic effect of this agreement, and who was telling the truth, saying that this Agreement is a murdering Ukrainian economy?
The Lord of pizdoboly! Appeal to you. I understand it is very difficult to recognize a fool of yourself, it is very hard to publicly admit that you jumped on the Maidan in vain, and even more terrifying to admit that your jumping led to the sea needlessly shed blood of loved thee state. And yet, even for a second compare what you promised on euromayday and what they say now! Understand, finally, that you were cruelly deceived those who you believe (don’t even have to understand that telling the truth just those against whom you spoke). If they do, they will realize that you are the same people continue to cheat and now! Enough to believe them, enough blood, enough crazy jumps, enough Maidanov, enough atenokol and Poroshenko…”
Not the best translation. Pizdoboly* (мыздобулы) was not translated. It roughly means “bullshit artistry”, pizdobol (Пиздобол) roughly meaning “bullshit artist”. I say roughly because the roots of the word appear to be pizda (пизда) and bol (бол). The former is a rather rude swear term for a woman’s genitals and the latter appears to mean bolas, an old South American entangling weapon. Putting the two root words together, one comes, perhaps to the usual way the term is used: the sort of “bullshit artisty” used to entice an otherwise wary woman into the sack – a sweet talker. ;)
A famous controversial Russian music group called Leningrad has a tune using this term in that manner, which they cleverly put to a political meaning, as well, much like this article does.
Leningrad — Pussy-talker / гр. Ленинград — Пиздабол
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA_evL-1F0w&feature=relmfu
I found the article originally at KM (km.ru). They are a rather conservative news site, I thought it rather odd they didn’t mind the title. :)
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Andreas Walsh @ 14 September, 2014 01:31
You are likely correct that the Treaty of Trianon numbers I cited are significant to wildly overstated by Hungarian nationalists, rather than an accurate estimate of who is truly Hungarian or not…this is similar to the discussion of whether Slovenes are ‘mountain Serbs’ or Croats are ‘Vaticanized Serbs’ (most likely yes, but it’s been centuries so who can really tell anymore) in the previous thread.
The main point I was trying to convey is that Hungary’s post-WW1 losses of population and landmass were greater than that experienced by Germany after the Treaty of Versailles, and that the Hungarians like the Czechs paid a heavy price fighting the Russians and Serbs on behalf of their imperial masters in Vienna. Austro-Hungary in fact if I’m not mistaken suffered the worst casualties proportionally of any power in the First World War among the combatants, including the Turks and the French. The Austro-Hungarian invasion of Serbia in particular was routed with huge losses both due to Hapsburg military incompetence and the Serbs’ superb fighting qualities in their mountains.
It’s no secret among historians of WW1 one of the reasons the Hapsburgs felt Serbian nationalism had to be crushed was due to their worries that the Hungarians would develop ideas of their own apart from the Hapsburg Empire. There is to this day, of course, an autocephelous Hungarian Orthodox Church, which I believe is considerably smaller than its Romanian or even Slovak counterparts.
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Nora @ 14 September, 2014 00:48
It is difficult to answer your questions decisively, because
a) we still do not know how many T-72s exactly Hungary was able to provide to Ukraine, I’ve seen estimates ranging from the dozens to hundreds and photographs of T-72s on trains headed east into Ukraine. We only know that:
b) the arms deal was completed through the Czechs as middle men to get around the EU regulation against selling weapons directly into an armed conflict zone, and that the money the Kiev regime used to pay for the tanks came from either the US or EU taxpayers via Brussels or the IMF because Kiev is broke. Undoubtedly this being Ukraine and Central Europe there were kickbacks all around, though whether one of Orban’s colleagues or cronies were involved I cannot say. There clearly is a fight going on under the carpet between Fidescz/Orban loyalists, some of whom have quite friendly ties to Russia (with Jobbik being openly pro-Eurasianist and Duginist attending conferences put on by Dugin’s people) and the Hungarian Deep State types who may be more loyal to the Bundesnachritendienst BND (German security service) or their American counterparts.
c) The reason I don’t believe the Kiev regime could get away with viciously suppressing the ethnic Hungarians or their Rusyn neighbors due to the likelihood that the pro-Fidescz elements of the Hungarian media would get the visuals and truth out. Of course, Hungarian presents a formidable language barrier for Westerners and most Europeans but the Hungarians themselves particularly the younger generation speak German or English well and the older generation like the older Poles can get by or understand Russian owing to the Soviet-dominated education system of the 1950s-70s.
Last but not least, I think there is a deterrence factor. Kiev understands it cannot push the Hungarians and Rusyns too far or run the serious risk of an armed, active insurgency in the Carpathians. Hungary may not have much of an army and I see little evidence that Orban plans to ‘liberate’ the Magyars of Zakarpattia himself. Nonetheless, I do think if the Right Sector Nazis were to attack these towns and the SBU were to start kidnapping ethnic Hungarian/Rusyn leaders Jobbik could raise dozens to a few hundred volunteers and they would be equipped with guns that had ‘fallen off the back of the truck’ from the Hungarian army within a few days to weeks. The last thing Kiev needs is a second front when it is already fighting the Donbas so I don’t see them going too far except for making some arrests ‘for separatism’. We’ve already seen the SBU is willing to shut down opposition newspapers and Arseniy Avakov the recently resigned Interior Minister has openly threatened Party of Regions oppositionists with violence. All the same, I would not want to be an SBU man or Right Sector activist in Zakarpattia after dark, and any SBU building in the region is a big fat sitting duck for firebombing with Molotov cocktails o ambushes on the roads near it by Novorossiya-allied partisans.
Last comment of the night for me: I’m clearly NOT advocating that the people of Transcarpathia take up arms, only that they continue to push for their rights and to protest the draft non-violently until all peaceful methods of redress including highlighting their plight to the world (via Hungarian and Russian media) are exhausted. And if an insurgency does develop in far southwestern Ukraine, I’d expect it to operate more along the lines of the old Irish Republican Army and not look like the Army of Novorossiya.
Hungary was a horrible victim of WWI. And along with the Versailles Treaty,the Trianon Treaty made WWII a certainty.The victors to end the War faster, promised the national borders of the disputed lands would solely be determined on the peoples wishes,and ethnicity.But then when in control they carved up the lands to aid their friends and allies.Probably of all the nations Hungary lost most,and has never really recovered from that.Huge areas that were overwhelmingly Hungarian and right on the borders were given to other nations.And hundreds of thousands of Hungarians fled over the years to the rump Hungary.It led to the rise of fascism in Hungary which strangled the ideals of Democracy there.Instead of correcting those mistakes after WWII the Soviets just affirmed the post WWI borders.And with all those nations becoming EU members the troubles have just been frozen,not resolved.
@ American Kulak,
I enjoyed and very much appreciate your take on events in Hungary.
I still remember all those bullet holes in a church in Budapest. What a country.
The empire strikes back at anyone who dares to be independent. The covert and overt ops are truly sickening.
I most certainly hope Novorossiya’s struggle will inspire more and more individuals to wake and rise up.
:[]: = a big bear hug for you.
Thanks.
AK,
I want to thank you again, but for a totally different reason bc in some ways looking at a country about which I’ve known very little and have little emotional attachment makes it easier to see some of the factors and forces through a somewhat clearer lens. I’ve been chewing a bit today on the use of labels from the past to describe the present, whether it’s White vs. Red in Russia or Liberal vs. Conservative here, bc they all mean different things to different people, none of them convey what they originally did anyhow, nor do they say what they need to now. And we’re so accustomed in this country to being on a team and blaming and finding fault with everyone else that it’s even harder than usual to see the forest for the trees bc our noses have almost grown into the bark. Plus there’s the usual difficulty of confronting one’s implicit assumptions when they’re so implicit you don’t even know they’re there.
In any case, coming in cold to what is going on in Hungary, I found myself unutterably confused by all the labels and, for whatever reason, decided to just throw every one of them out and just try to get to the meat of what he was saying. And the experience was truly amazing — it really cleared out all the clutter and I could just examine the content in terms of what might work. So, on the one hand, there’s the Empire; nuff said — we’re all pretty much in accord on that regardless of the labels we use to describe all the awfulness. But to replace it — and just looking at the “what”, not the “how” — what’s really required is reorganization across several separate but quite interrelated domains: social, economic, political, cultural, etc.
And what he’s talking about is just fascinating, bc several eye-popping questions immediately arise that I would like to throw out for further thought. For example, interventionism to achieve economic ends requires more government action, not less. And not being bound by democratic ideals, when unpacked — even recognizing the red herring of the word “democratic” since we weren’t designed to be and never have been any kind of democracy — but nevertheless, I believe he is referring to a lesser need for representative institutions. As an American, that really sets me back a bit bc despite the fact that ours Certainly. Don’t. Work., I have this lingering but very strong bias in favor of getting money and influence out of the system in the hopes they can be made to work again at least moderately well. And finally, the last phrase I’d just like to bring up for further thought is that “great world race”, bc the obvious question is: race for what, exactly? I would assume it would be attaining decent lives for their people but, again, how do you define “decent lives”, much less “their people”?
And then the final question, of course, is how much of this is translatable to Russia, to the Ukraine, hopefully to Scotland (!), and to us.
Shout out to Wikispooks — I would like to discuss your entry about the Institute of Modern Russia and whether their numbers ‘add up’, though I doubt that their 2014-15 budget is as small as it was in 2011 from which this GuideStar report is derived.
It just seems an annual budget of about half a mil would be insufficient to pay Michael D. Weiss, James Miller, their Russian translator Catherine A. Fitzpatrick (since I see little evidence either Weiss or Miller are fluent in Russian, with Weiss probably having picked up some conversational Arabic during his travels with the Syria jihadi rebels) and cover all of the other overhead (including the accountant, office space, and other permanent employees) of a non-profit org in NYC and the costs of Weiss and Miller’s junkets.
Is there another donor besides Pavel Khodorkovsky? Could Weiss have brought in some major Qatari money from his previous gig advocating for Syria regime change at the neocon (and Fortune 500 Lockheed/Martin among others funded) Henry Jackson Society, a now defunct British think tank? (In looking at the FARA.gov pages on Qatar, I see there is a registered foreign agent of Qatar address in Manhattan which may not be far from IMR’s offices — which are logged under another non-profit outfit legally registered in New Jersey).
And why was young twentysomething Weiss plucked from obscurity as a Dartmouth grad into rapidly rising up the ranks of the HJS at all? (I’ve read one piece by a self-proclaimed ‘old Trotskyite’ in Britain that complains how Weiss and other newcomers outmanuavered and redirected the HJS into a much more activist, aggressively neocon agenda until this Brit resigned). Although there are probably a lot of young American investment bankers working 70 hours a week in London for their bosses at JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs, it’s not as if work permits are super easy to obtain in the UK for young recent US citizen graduates. Something about Weiss’ story does not add up and lends credence to the suggestion that he may be a ‘spook’.
http://www.guidestar.org/ViewPdf.aspx?PdfSource=0&ein=61-1612040
Is there a publically available email address I could contact the proprietor of WikiSpooks at?
Thank you,
AK
AK,
I am seriously impressed with your level of knowledge here! ;~) Thank you. And yes, a (non-compromised) type of IRA would make sense in that scenario. I’m also hoping you’ll have time to chew a bit on the stuff I just posted bc I’d really like your thoughts on that too. I mean, we might as well do that kind of thinking — who knows when it’ll come in handy?
And for gosh sakes, captcha just asked me to type in Bartok! ;~)
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In April this year the British journalist Neil Clark had an interesting piece about Viktor Orbán’s government on RT’s Op-Edge pages. Although the text is neither as deep nor as thorough as the Kulak’s essay it captures the surprise effect Orbán’s speech and actions had on lefties as well as western globalists …
Don’t be fooled by the labels
On the one side we have a government which has carried out re-nationalisations, which has confronted the greedy foreign-owned energy companies, and which has presided over a rise in real wages and a fall in unemployment. Also, this government has imposed a bank tax and implemented other measures to help ordinary people – including a government-decreed cut in energy bills.
On the other side, there is an opposition alliance which supports further privatization, which wants more policies to benefit global “investors”, which is unashamedly pro-banker and pro-globalist and whose main alliance partner, when last in government, imposed swingeing cuts in public spending, destroyed state-owned companies including the national airline Malev and left millions of ordinary people worse off.
Now, you’d probably think that the government in question was “socialist” or “leftist” and that the opposition “conservative”. But in fact, it is the other way round. The Hungarian government, which has just been returned to power with around 45 percent of the vote, has undoubtedly done more for ordinary people than the “socialist” opposition did when in power from 2002-2010 (and I say this as a lifelong socialist, not as a supporter of Fidesz).
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Almost 12 years ago Neil Clark’s wife, Zsuzsanna Clark, had a slightly nostalgic, yet insightful and interesting article in the Guardian in which she talks about her experience of growing up in 1970s Hungary, before the restoration of capitalist delights …
Goulash and solidarity
Western liberals may sneer at such movements as the Young Pioneers, which sought to involve young people in a wide range of community activities, but they reflected an ambition to build a cohesive society – in contrast to the atomization of most “advanced” nations today. I was proud to be a Pioneer; contrary to popular belief, we did not spend all our time sitting round campfires singing songs in praise of Lenin, but instead learned valuable life skills in social interaction and building friendships.
… very recommended reading.
@AK,
Thx for that great overview! This info definitely adds much needed context for seeing the bigger picture that many of us might not have pondered.
@RRH,
You bit that nail squarely on the head. If only we could get the “old” PC’s to take back their former party, truly reconcile with the First Nations and then form better working alliances with the anti-Monarchy Quebecois, we might have a chance at purging the globalist pigs from our shores.
DumpHarper!
Excellent. Thanks wjy are they on board with sanctions?
The separatist movement is the Empire’s invention to Balkanise nations even further. However, it does offer sharp human intuition the opportunity to condemn vile government so the referenda will be popularly endorsed. The Anglophone Satanists will not mind because the “sheeple” will remain powerless—and ignorant by the standards of us powerless bloggers. But patriotic resentment will encourage other forms of rebellion, like Viktor Orbán’s, against that dying super rogue of your mirage queen and mine, Elizabeth NoName.
With no dynamic aggression to contend with, nations, whether newly separated or not from established states, would naturally cooperate to mutual advantage just as they had generally done for centuries under their local princes wedded by uniting civilisations.
I actually doubt the World Hate Establishment can grasp the imminent end of its power because it is committee directed, led by no one but the Lord of Hate. Satan must be berserk with fury at his political dependence on his “excreting bellies on stilts,” well, on human beings all destined to eternal heaven or hell.
Has it began?
Don’ be surprise when Ukraine don’t exist anymore in 2015!Nice european plot ;-)
Don’t forget that Soros etc. have fight against him (Orban) in subject treasury (2010-2013?).
For EU Membership there where often the leftist paties (east / after 1990) responsible. So also in Hungary, if I’m right.
And Saker,
do encourage other writers—in love with brevity the handmaid of mercy—to write in fairly reverent, self respecting observance of your editorial policy of truth with respect. And when the new site ascends, you can leave the moderating to assistants for a day or so now and then.
Nice fantasy? For today pray and rest a bit dear man.
This is a truly quality article! Thank you!
Thanks American Kulak. Former’s Eastern block is Greek to me. Long but enjoyed reading it. It’s educational and better understands Hungary.
Kindest Regards
JC
American Kulak:
I’ve been a “fan” of your insightful commenting here for some time and have inquired in the past about where else you are on social media. Can you provide a Twitter, Facebook, or blog address where I can follow? Or email me through my account? (I think Saker will vouch for me lol)
re: “the Hungarians might develop ideas of their own apart from the Hapsburg Empire.” — actually there was a huge Hungarian revolt against Austria in 1848. It failed because Tsarist Russia sent troops in to quell it and preserve the Austrian status-quo. Austria never reciprocated by acting friendly to Russia, and most Russian historians today think it would have been better to have just let Austria self-destruct in 1848. After 1848 Austria gave a lot of concessions to the Hungarians — the dual-monarchy and the dual flag. That’s why lands in Eastern Austrian Empire were officially under semi-Hungarian jurisdiction when they had no cultural Hungarian ties. The “Greater Hungary” people still long for those borders. But Slovakia not so much.
Frankly, I’m not a fan of this type of ethno-supremacism.
It strikes me as a variant of Talmudic ideology – a belief in being a non-Jewish chosen people.
The Zionists will win at this game every single time. In fact, as we see today, they are now fragmenting the Middle East into what Sheik Nasrallah describes as tiny, impotent “confessional states”.
Thank you for a very nuanced reflection on another astute political leader.
http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/09/sholzenitzyn-return-false-dimitris-ukraine.html
Orban is right to state that a non-liberal state is needed for Hungary. I would suggest that most countries need to dethrone liberalism from its pedestal as the dominant ideology and instead historicize it so as to make selective use of its positive features without being committed to the whole package.
Liberal democratic ideology posits the idea that one can divide sovereign power into discreet judicial, executive and legislative dimensions, with each counterbalancing the other for the sake of the public interest. However, this notion is fundamentally false.
The legislature, which is supposed to be the primary decision-making body of the state, is nothing but a collection of shifting coalitions of private interests backed by big money. Contrary to what was argued by the authors of the Federalist papers, one cannot reliably arrive at the public interest through such a legislature, only various compromises that satisfy the ruling coalition of private interests of the moment. The common denominator reached by Congressional lobbies rarely coincides with the public interest. The executive is not able to counterbalance these private interests effectively, either because it is a direct emanation of the legislature (parliamentary system) or because it relies (despite instiutional independence) on the financial resources and favourable media coverage from those private interests to get elected and stay in power in the first place (presidential system). The judiciary’s focus is far too narrow for it to counterbalance these private interests either since it is necessarily limited to interpreting the laws and policies laid down by the other branches of the state.
In essence, the liberal democratic state has no center. No state entity is capable of taking responsibility for the interest of the whole body politic. Instead, liberal democratic ideology claims that the people who elect the legislature and the executive can act as that center by electing different leaders.
However, beyond the small town, expecting the people to look after the public interest is an extremely utopian notion. The people as a whole are a vast, heterogenous collection of individuals, most of whom do not want to think about public affairs, many of whom are not even able to think about public affairs, and, especially in contemporary society, are largely economically dependent on big corporations controlled by the private interests mentioned earlier. To put it another way, a vast army of 30 million that has no commander, no general staff, no independent base of supply, and no common purpose is not going to be able to defeat a small army of even a few thousand that has clear direction, clear organization, and disposes of vast material resources that can be used to buy off large chunks of the opposing forces.
For the above reason, any visionary leader such as Putin or Orban that is confronted by entrenched opposition from oligarchic interests cannot rely primarily on the goodwill of the people to prevail. Put that leader in a liberal democratic system and that means that his agenda will be institutionally jeopardized every few years at election time when all great national projects require decades to see their true benefits.
Liberal democratic bellyaching about how doing away from liberal democracy would lead to abuse of state power is not terribly meaningful because it is not at all clear that monarchial abuse of power is consistently worse than oligarchic abuse of power (which exists aplenty under liberal democracy).
to AK:
there seems to be a lot of confusion over Hungary selling tanks to Ukraine. Perhaps the following will help.
Prior to 1988 the world was (with no disrespect to the non-aligned movement that existed in the influence/resources-to-win middle), largely bi-polar.
We are now in the process of moving from a unipolar world to a multi-polar world. Just because someone dislikes and works against the Anglo-Zionist empire does not mean they are pro-Putin (a return to bi-polar thinking). Multipolar means that Hungarians and Chinese get what they can at Russia’s expense (when the Anglo-Zionists have the upper hand) just as much as they get what they can at US expense (When Putin or China or whoever…has the upper hand).
In a multipolar world “my enemy’s enemy is definitely not – by default – my friend.
In a bi-polar world selling the tanks is betrayal. In a multipolar world it is an act of affirming a new order.
A long stare at how deep the rot actually runs through US/NATO exoskeleton’s upholstery and what skeuomorphic trigger is needed to let it all collapse.
NATO intends to prohibit Russia’s and China’s Development – by Thierry Meyssan 1 tracker.
A highly recommended read.
thank you AK for the excellent read.
One does not hear too much from Hungary in the normal course of events – except its demonization in recent times. Your article has put some perspective on the situation.
IMO Hungary is sitting on the fence at this moment for whatever reasons. Hopefully it is a germination process and not a process of opportunism. As Orban said “As anything can happen, it can easily happen that our time will come.”
Tangentially: EUROPE by Norman Davies, a monumental work, internationally acclaimed, excellent read for those wishing to get a handle on – Europe. (It does not read like a history book, as I remember history books) (-:
Talking about Morally and Financially Bankrupt.. John Helmer who is also a reader of this blog posted this on his own blog about it.. looks like Putins close cirle is full of vipers who are supposed to keep the government honest but seems the bite is as selective as the fines on wall street..
Mikhail Abyzov is the man in charge of keeping the Russian government transparent, accountable and so far as the name of his ministerial commission can be stretched through 235 government press releases since his appointment in May 2012, open.
Abyzov is a target, the sources claim, because he is alleged to be one of the fund-raisers for Medvedev’s political campaigning; and because he keeps a large part of his wealth in the US. For Putin partisans, Abyzov’s personal ties to the US make his Russian loyalties vulnerable.
According to London sources, more than one investigation conducted by well-known due diligence firms reveal that Abyzov controls “forty to fifty” companies or trusts in Cyprus, British Virgin Islands, and Cayman Islands;
Forbes calculates that the gross value of Abyzov’s disclosed assets is currently $1 billion.
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=11324#more-11324
Astonishing 3 September interview of Russian Duma (Parliament) Deputy Evgeny Fedorov, ‘The Purge is Coming’, seems to be pre-staging radical new actions by Vladimir Putin himself, and this may be the key to understanding Putin, Russia, and Ukraine / Novorossiya … and how Putin and his partners will shortly devastatingly defeat the USA in their Kiev adventure. Summary of what is said and implied in this video
Fedorov’s 3 Sept 45 minute video (here with English subtitles), ‘The Purge is Coming’
(1) Over the last 15 years, Putin has never been more than half in control. In fact, Putin has been every day, risking his own life, and fighting for survival of himself and Russian patriots, in an utterly difficult and dangerous management of traitorous oligarch elements tied to the West and the USA – Russia’s ‘5th column’ of people who raped Russia nearly to extinction in the 1990s. Putin’s actions are in fact continually tied and limited by the ongoing powers of that group. Putin’s confident attitude, and many successes, mask the continual real danger to himself and Russian patriots, a danger peaking in these last few months.
(2) Because of that 5th column of Russian traitors, Putin is in fact not guilty of betraying the Donbass (East Ukraine / Novorossiya), by his refusal to go in militarily to prevent thousands of Russians being killed … nor is that refusal some tactic / strategy of Putin, sacrificing some thousands of Russian lives to achieve wider goals. It is rather that Putin has been unable to act as he and Russian patriots like Igor Strelkov have wished, in these months when Russia’s traitors are at their most aggressive, as Russia itself risked being delivered into traitor hands, if Putin acted before the traitors are neutered.
(3) But it is a supreme irony of the US-Nato led attacks in Ukraine, that while being the most dangerous modern moment for Russia since the early 1990s, that these attacks, and the heroism of Donbass militia in countering them, are ultimately providing the means by which Russian patriots are consolidating, and enabling defeat of the traitors inside Russia, and also the winning back of Ukraine as Russian and Russian-friendly territory.
(4) For Russians in general, and not only in Donbass, Ukraine is part of Russia, and so the attacks by Nato forces present in Ukraine, are making Russians see and feel they are now being invaded on their home territory. This is arousing the historic Russian will of resistance which will soon shake the whole world. The thousands of Russians tragically dead in Donbass will not have died in vain, but are rather heroes in a world-historical battle that ultimately saves Russia, and collapses the influence of its US-oligarch attackers.
Summary continued in next post
Thank you, American Kulak, for a well-researched exploration of this interesting and for me, barely understood region of the world.
Forgive me if I ask for a further explanation of the following statement: “…the purpose of a sovereign nation is the health and long-term well-being of the majority population of that nation…”
I am not clear whether this analysis is yours or that of the leader of Hungary in this instance. It did strike me as the thrust of the coup government in Kiev, to make the term ‘Ukrainian’ conform, as Cahokia says above, to a certain ethos, rather than as Putin has emphasized, to recognize the ethnic diversity of a nation as a whole, or a region as a whole – the strands which contribute each to an unique national ‘footprint’.
The latter consideration, to my mind, makes the purpose of a sovereign nation the health and well-being of all the people of that nation, not just those in the majority.
I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but if so I will be happy to be set straight. As Saker has commented, I too know very little about the subject. Thank you again.
Summary part 2 – Astonishing 3 September interview of Russian Duma (Parliament) Deputy Evgeny Fedorov, ‘The Purge is Coming’, seems to be pre-staging radical new actions by Vladimir Putin himself, and this may be the key to understanding Putin, Russia, and Ukraine / Novorossiya … and how Putin and his partners will shortly devastatingly defeat the USA in their Kiev adventure. Summary of what is said and implied in this video
(5) Similarly, even Russian oligarchs and societal sectors who had been fellow travellers to the West, now see they are just dirt to USA & the West, and that they must align with Russian patriots if they are to survive at all. Only the truly corrupt and fools in Russia, will remain aligned with the West.
(6) With the rapid consolidation of Russians around the patriots and against 5th column traitors, and even former servants of the West at last seeing the light, the stage is nearly ready for what must happen – a dramatic, rapid purge of Russia’s 5th column traitors, a purge necessarily outside the bounds of Russia’s Western-imposed Constitution, but acting fully for the benefit of the Russian people, who will have at last a government fully of themselves instead of partly by rapacious outsiders.
(7) The purge will not be a purge of ‘personal’ vendettas, as of one oligarch against another, but rather a structural purge of those against the interests of the Russian people, a purge of those who blocked the defence of the heroes of Donbass. It is well-understood that the purge will involve cutting off the economic tentacles by which the US-West oligarchs have been able to suborn and control elements of the Russian economy, impeding it from giving jobs and shared wealth to Russians. Post-Purge Russia will have an economy at last truly independent of US-Nato and its attempted New World Order.
(8) After the purge, Russian soldiers will roll into Kiev, and fight with and repulse all Nato thugs on Ukraine’s territory. We will also see and know the real Vladimir Putin, how he anguished over the thousands of Donbass dead in the preceding months, and how he and Russian patriots were forced to wait until the right moment to strike against the traitors who blocked him.
Fedorov’s 3 Sept 45 minute video (here with English subtitles), ‘The Purge is Coming’
@the Hungarians settled in the Danube River and Carpathian basins.
@the Hungarian communities in the Carpathian basin [the old Rusyn lands – AK] but also throughout the world
@the first Christian monarch of the Magyars Saint Stephen I converted the traditional seven Hungarian tribes to Christianity in the early 10th century
@The historic parallels between Hungary and Rus did not stop with Stephen and the Second Rome, but continued in the 13th century.
@Hungary was a horrible victim of WWI.
I selected a few points (there are more) which are the talking points of one of the most virulent forms of nationalism which contributed in no small measure to the disasters that befell Europe and the World in the 20th century (with roots in the 19th and even earlier – well, since the what is misleadingly called the “settlement” of the “Carpathian basin” by the Magyars), the Magyar chauvinism.
The Carpathian Basin is not “the old Rusyn lands”, but a much larger geographical area occupied by various peoples conquered and subjugated by the Magyars which formed the dominant class, small “communities” of warriors dominating the masses of serves. It is particularly interesting that Transylvania is not even mentioned as a distinct part of the “basin”. No wonder, it is the most serious bone of contention between the Magyar minority and the overwhelming Romanian majority.
The first Magyar conquerors of Transylvania in the late 10th century converted first to Orthodoxy, being actually vassals of Byzantium. Stephen I was “converted” to the Roman Catholicism, anointed “Apostolic King” with the mission to convert all his subjects (even Orthodox) to Papism (at the beginning of the 11th century). Then Stephen invaded Transylvania and seized his uncle Gyula (who was vassal of Byzance and baptized Orthodox) and his family around 1002 or in 1003. The contemporary Annals of Hildesheim adds that Stephen converted his uncle’s “country to the Christian faith by force” after its conquest. Later on (XIII century) Hungary was the spearhead of Catholicism in the Russian lands.
If Hungary was a “victim” of WWI, it was a victim of its own secular oppression of the Orthodox peoples which shed the Hungarian domination after WWI, situation to which the Magyars never reconciled.
It is doubtful that the present shenanigans of Orban are motivated by some morally high ground and not by sheer nationalism of the exact kind of the Banderovtsy. If he get some slaps on the wrists it is because of “antisemitism”.
*** anon….if you’re rude to people you’ll go to trash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion#Early_laws_and_legal_guarantees_for_religious_freedom
In 1558, the Transylvanian Diet of Torda declared free practice of both the Catholic and Lutheran religions, but prohibited Calvinism. Ten years later, in 1568, the Diet extended the freedom to all religions, declaring that “It is not allowed to anybody to intimidate anybody with captivity or expelling for his religion”. However, it was more than a religious tolerance, it declared the equality of the religions. The emergence in social hierarchy wasn’t depend on the religion of the person thus Transylvania had also Catholic and Protestant monarchs (Princes). The lack of state religion was unique for centuries in Europe. Therefore, the Edict of Torda is considered by mostly Hungarian historians as the first legal guarantee of religious freedom in Christian Europe.
ACT OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE AND FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE:
His majesty, our Lord, in what manner he – together with his realm – legislated in the matter of religion at the previous Diets, in the same matter now, in this Diet, reaffirms that in every place the preachers shall preach and explain the Gospel each according to his understanding of it, and if the congregation like it, well. If not, no one shall compel them for their souls would not be satisfied, but they shall be permitted to keep a preacher whose teaching they approve. Therefore none of the superintendents or others shall abuse the preachers, no one shall be reviled for his religion by anyone, according to the previous statutes, and it is not permitted that anyone should threaten anyone else by imprisonment or by removal from his post for his teaching. For faith is the gift of God and this comes from hearing, which hearings is by the word of God.
— Diet at Torda, 1568 : King John Sigismund[28]
Very interesting article found on cryptome about Voice of Russia liquidation.
http://cryptome.org/2014/09/vor-liquidation.htm
Several have said this before, but it bears repeating. As Surfeket wrote: “Thanks for a very lengthy read that opened my eyes to a more complex European situation than what I have seen of the various US poodles in so many European countries.”
I will be copy-and-paste re-blogging this on EU: Ramshackle Empire tomorrow.
O.V. is not the president of Hungary, he is the prime minister.
Scusate, volevo postare questo Hangout di HRN live, dove raffinati pensatori Italiani parlano in modo multimediale dei fatti dell’11 settembre. Fatti, che a IMHO sono alla radice della guerra globale asimmetrica che tuttora imperversa e si allarga. Con il regista Massimo Mazzucco e lo scrittore Giulietto Chiesa.
Ecco il link (chiedo scusa al Saker e a Kulak se approfitto, ma è per lo scambio di informazioni) grazie.
http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4544
il video è sottotitolato in Inglese
Anoher Journalist killed american freedom style.. Thank god he was not covering any wedding parties.
Andrey Stenin, Andrey Vyachalo and Sergey Korenchenkov,
Today we pay last respects to Sergey Korenchenkov, who perished in the South-East of Ukraine, had been shelled by the armed forces of Ukrainian in the area of Dmitrovka.
Sergey Korenchenkov lived in Simferopol. He was a real patriot, and from the first days of hostilities he was working in Donbass. The first shots from the site of MH17 crash were made by him. Newspaper “Golos Sevastopolya” helped to transport the remains of Sergey to Simferopol in order to bury him in his native land.
http://cassad.net/tv/videos/1192/pamyati-sergeya-korenchenkova2/
Now that’s a Blog Post. :-)
Packed with information, insight, and quality links. Coming back to it after the overnight (here on the old Hudson River) I find that the comments generated are full of excellent reflections and… more great links.
Thank you for your work Kulak and Saker, it is deeply appreciated.
Saker,
I am quite disappointed and disturbed to see a piece of pro-Hungarian jingoism making it into your blog on the pretext of political independence from America. There are many obvious red flags in American Kulak’s Hungarian peon that would be completely obscure to Americans unfamiliar with history and geography.
The man repeatedly claims that: “After WWI the key document many Hungarian nationalists to this day regard with bitterness, the Treaty of Trianon [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon], was signed in 1920 which cost Hungary 71% of its territory and 66% of its pre-war population — an even more punitive outcome than the Allied diktats imposed on the Germans in the punitive Treaty of Versailles produced by the same victors.”
The total population of Hungary to this day is some 9 million people which includes many assimilated Romanians and Slovaks, etc. plus some 5-10 percent gypsies By the way, by comparison, the total Romanian population, including the Republic of Moldova, amounts to just under 30 million (minus some 1.4 million Hungarians within Romania itself). Formerly a marauding mercenary tribe in the service of the Khazars in the Volga region, once the Khazar fortunes started to dwindle, the Hungarians migrated and subjugated, in a feudal fashion, the formerly Roman (that is Roman Empire’s) territories in Pannonia and then colonized the surrounding peoples exactly like modern-day Western powers enslaved the local populations throughout the world, in Africa, the Americas and the Pacific. Extremely cruel and merciless, eventually they proclaimed in 1438 the Union Trium Nationum of Hungarians, Saxons and Szekelys (another minor tribe of Hungarians in Transylvania) overlording the vast populations of serfs made up of Romanians, Slovaks, etc.
Always a militaristic feudal cast overlording the native people, they were closely related throughout history to the Khazars, whom, ironically the Hungarians brought to Europe after their defeat by the Rus (today’s Novorossiyans). See Arthur Koestler’s famous work: “The Thirteenth Tribe”.
Now, to have a blog on the Russians’ struggle to defend their homeland, instead promote the most Nazi, jingoistic nation in Europe killer of millions of native Europeans and have them appear as the millennial defender of people’s rights, now engaged in some form of anti-American struggle, in order to claim back their lost serfs – I cannot imagine a more distorted hijacking of the truth.
Please, Saker, get some historical advice before you provide a platform for gross manipulation of history.
As the author himself hints repeatedly, Orban has a well-established track record of opportunism and changing allegiances on a dime. Mr. Orban is not your natural ally for a good cause!
In conclusion, the essence of Orbanism is opportunism and revanchism.
@American Kulak
Thanks for posting your article. I really enjoyed it. I am an American who retired to Hungary for multiple reasons. I am not ethnically Hungarian but am married to a Russian as well as retired from US military so have some breadth and knowledge about Europe from living here and multiple tours of duty.
That said, there are a few observations and/or clarigfications to some of your comments about Hungary. Hungary is a complex society who usurped the Dalmatian population of Roman antiquity so their roots are relatively recent in European history and they descend from a nomadic people out of central Russia. They have been conquered multiple times including the Mongols, Turks, Austrians, Germans,and Russians. Historically they are probably the worst military of any nation on Earth, which in my opinion is a good thing. They have backed the wrong side so many times it is tragic. However, culturally, they are a brilliant and hard working people who respect their culture and in particular their authors, artists, composers, poets, and musicians to an extent rarely seen anywhere else. Ethnically they seek to remain pure and are aggressive about limiting immigration int Hungary. You will only find a handful of non-Caucasians in Hungary.
There are several interesting things I have found interesting. They have holidays celebrating 2 failed revolutions, the revolution against Austria in 1848 which was savagely suppressed quickly and the failed revolution against the Soviet Union in 1956 again equally savagely put down. The latter I have very little sympathy for being it was only 11 years after the end of WWII and Hungary willingly joined the German Nazi Army. I remind you that Germany is still occupied by the US, UK, and France. We would have done the same thing to Germany in 1956 if they had tried it so I cannot understand what the Hungarians were thinking. In fact, prior to 1956 conditions in Hungary were relatively tame compared to other former Nazi partners but that all changed after 1956. One other interesting thing is that in place of Memorial Day in the US they have Stalingrad Day in Hungary mourning the almost complete loss of the Hungarian Army there.
Song,
You’ve certainly described us well. But small towns are not necessarily any better (trust me). New England towns, with their town meetings, were and may still be an exception but even there, the wealthy have always had an undue advantage — a major challenge in self-governance, especially in our exceedingly unequal society, is how to separate money from power. But a second one, really, just has to do with human nature: it’s wonderful when, just when he’s needed, the right man shows up and uses his power effectively. But how often does that happen, and what about the rest of the time? I mean, pick a country then look at its kings: how many good, or even just competent kings were there, as opposed to what, stupid, misguided or just plain awful? And they’re kind of hard to get rid of… Wouldn’t it be better to somehow limit oligarchical power than add a whole new source of it? Besides, kings have fairly expensive lifestyles and if the state doesn’t fund them the oligarchs will be more than happy to oblige, for the obvious reasons. Funding monarchical excess and stupidity is how the Rothschilds got started; let’s not make that mistake again!
Alien Tech,
That Helmer piece is fascinating, and depressing. Do these guys actually do anything other than play shell games? More to the point, if vulture capitalists simply fund ventures, isn’t that what banks used to do? So why are they really needed? The answer is supposed to be to assume higher-risk loans. But if we were to re-regulate banks, then perhaps we could at least limit them? They seem to extract their money — to the extent it can be traced — primarily from the energy and IT sectors? But what’s really going on there — are there actually any profits? Perhaps (I am dreaming here) their share or profits or something could be limited or taxed or something to put a preferential emphasis on their actually funding something concrete or productive or involving real jobs for real people on a sustained basis?
What a disgusting group of parasites they all are, regardless of their country of origin. I hope Putin succeeds in getting rid of this one. No, not just this one: as many as possible!
“It’s not for nothing that nation, “a family in a broader sense” (Solzenitsin), along with family, the basic cell of every society, are under attack across the world by the globalists.”
Never forget, that the wealth of the 0,1% in England and with their kolossal apprentices in the US is the wealth of families. Regarding this, families are the founders and the killers of mankind.
German Tanks in Ulraine? Is it true?
http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2014/09/ukrainian-fascists-broke-ceasefire-agreement-2460694.html
@Daniel Rich
What do you mean exactly by “trackers” and how do you spot that?
I’d like to try and tie together a couple of things here, primarily having to do with money and power. And again, it’s easier to do if you just subtract all the emotionally-charged labels, all of them, and just examine things that work well vs. things that don’t.
In any case, it seems to me there are three issues here, first of all, the extremely unbalanced concentration of extreme wealth and the extent to which it would be wise to somehow limit it. Then secondly and, really, regardless of how the first issue is or is not resolved, the degree to which money needs to be separated from power, kept from influencing the political system. And finally, the degree to which the state should or should not be responsible for general well-being of the people in it: what services should be provided, how should the playing field be leveled, etc.
How actually to attain these goals would pretty much depend on the goals and the situation so there’s no point addressing that right now, I don’t think; there’s enough to chew on just in those three questions. And of course an even stickier topic for consideration is how any state deals with the ethnicity, faith and culture of its inhabitants, especially given the fact that its boundaries are rarely going to enclose a truly homogeneous group. That’s certainly not the case now but in point of fact, it rarely was. Even France, with all its love of country, was divided into a variety of regions, languages and cultures well into the 20th century, while many people in Germany still consider themselves Bavarian, for example, rather than just simply German. And the divide in the US is perhaps even more inchoate bc people have varying degrees of identity along several different dimensions not all of which neatly coincide: regional, religious, ethnicity, small town/rural vs. suburban vs. urban.
Nevertheless, for all the divisions among us, the most relevant one right now for those of us under the thumb of the Empire is how aware we are of what is really going on. And for those of us really at any point on that journey — and I’m figuring most folks here are pretty far long — it might be helpful to give some consideration to precisely what we would like to see in its stead. And giving some thought — without any “ism”s attached — to a healthier relationship between money and power might be a good place to start.
whether this is pro or con any agenda isn’t even the question. the question is “how useful is this to the people who come to this blog?” sure, anyone can unload a ten page diatribe that few will appreciate, IF they understand it or care.
I don’t see who it promotes anything other than someone’s rant.
from el murid
Will Russian oligarchs sell out Novorossiya?
A very sombering assessment from El Murid.
Today my friend Alex called and told the latest news from Kiev.
Here is a summary:
A flock of Russian oligarchs descended on Kiev. Talks are ongoing. Very good progress was made by the representatives of major Russian banks with subsidiaries in Ukraine. In the near future under the knife can go up to 50 Ukrainian banks. Under the standard scheme – owners will have to up “capitalization”, those who can’t will go under. The major banks will apply an entirely different approach. As systemically essential, they will be propped by government money, as in 2008. The owners don’t have to worry a bit. Under such a program also fall Russian “daughters” (subsidiaries). The question, however, is about the “Russian Standard” – it is not yet clear whether it’s in the lucky pool.
Industrialists have not achieved tangible agreements – but there is progress. Gas negotiations are a top priority, so even less is known about these consultations, then about German gold or Fort Knox. That is, none. In addition, the consultations are very intense.
Of course, cookies are not handed out for nothing. The oligarchs are expected to put pressure on Moscow over Russia’s “holiday soldiers” (regular soldiers, who supposedly went on leave to fight in Ukraine voluntarily). While they are still in Ukraine, the prospect for commencing the military operation are very low. By the way, the combat capability of the punitive group, Kiev estimates appropriately – that is, very skeptical. To the effect that the attitude towards militia remains the same – without external assistance the ability to resist the army is not seriously considered.
During the talks nobody mentions DPR or LPR, only Donetsk and Lugansk regions. Poroshenko is putting pressure on the negotiating meetings, seeking to reach agreements and results as quickly as possible.
The key demand – pulling out the “holiday soldiers”. After that the situation will be assessed and a final decision is to finish off the rebels through military action or just strangle economically.
Minsk Group negotiations will go smoothly until this issue is resolved. Kiev will not follow up on any of the accords. At All. Therefore there is no pressure on Kiev’s negotiators, no, their task is to simply kill time, while arguing about the details.
I didn’t read this very lengthy article, but to call the United States “morally bankrupt” assumes they had any morals in the first place!
First, i would like to thank you for the analysis.
Second, i would like to add another dimension to your analysis.
We have foreign and domestic policy’s. So if we have a country A that is stronger than country B,then country A can influence country’s B domestic policy. In light of that we need to look not only at the words but at deeds also. Deeds even more so.
In this long history of humanity there are many atrocities done by groups in the name of the people. They are exploited heavily by Anglo Zionists in their divide and conquer strategy. Governments must clearly remove themselves from the services rendered by these group thru history. Putin did that in his address to parliament over Crimea. Sort of a new start.
To this i will add a cautionary tale. These painful historical events should be reexamined with the idea that media spinning,history rewriting,false flags,black ops,you name it-can and probably will be found there.
In other words,foreign policy opposition to AZ empire may not be that same opposition on the domestic front. So, both domestic and foreign policy analysis should be done. Lest we be blind to the cuckoo’s egg in our nests.
So when President Putin said “it is for historians to figure out” it was a turning point. Dialogue of professionals with archive access and will to discern truth from falsehood is needed. Because it is the only positive way to go forward and resolve these painful historical events. Any other way will bring us where we,as a humanity have already been. And that is not a nice place.
It is said that by their fruit you will recognize them. I must state here that i am not jealous nor am i harboring any hate toward Hungarians or anyone else for that matter. I only wish to present my fruit (no pun intended) and add it to your work and hopefully to your next.
Now i watch and anticipate Putin’s and Orban’s deeds. And hope that they be true to their words for it is the only way to go forward.
To: hardcore
asking about ‘trackers’
google: “website trackers”
they are mainly cookies stored on your machine by the website you visit. you can be tracked. you are not anonymous on the net.
Firefox allows you to browse anon. There are some search engines that do the same. As well as email programs. Check out the “Tor” browser. https://www.torproject.org/
No system is absolutely safe.
the best-
basho
Marko Antonovic said …
Dugin and Spencer and others are having big conference in Budapest in October.
Jobbik is great because they make Fidesz seem moderate. That’s like Radical Party in Serbia make Progressive into moderate.
There Never Was a Ceasefire
Joaquin Flores of Radical Party and CSS has a new piece on there, “Never was a Ceasefire”.
Orban is not surprise for me. Orban is protestant, not catholic. Orban studied at Oxford on Soros’s fund bill but he quit after 2 years.
Czech republic and Slovakia follow Hungary. Lately Slovak PM said that he will initiate referendum if NATO will force base in Slovakia. Czech PM also criticize sanctions. Basic thing is that EU and NATO are highly unpopular in those 3 countries, people are deeply disapinted with the last 25 years delopment. People must realize, that Czech rep was most developed part of Austro-Hungarian Empire, and those 3 countries were on top in former Soviet bloc. There is call to leave NATO and political EU.
On other hand, there is huge influence of Russian money in those 3 countries. Slovaks traditionaly likes Russians, Czechs do not like all arround, except Slovaks. Strong anti-west sentiment is developing in those 3 countries.
Two things:
– as it has been mentioned earlier the treaty of Trianon simply divided the Austro-Hungarian Empire along etnic lines, so that Hungary ended up with consisting only of the areas with Hungarian majority. The Greter Hungary of the Double Monarchy was basically a revival of the old medieval Kingdom of Hungary that the Hapsburgs inherited in 1526, that had numerous of minorities on its territory.
– You forget that a critique of Orban from the MSM and EU, alongside government control of Hungarian media and changing the electoral law so it fits Fideisz´ interests, is that Orban has (Oh sacrilege!) ended the political independence of the national bank, thus depriving international finance of control.
/Hagen
In the general context, and the B of BRICS, Campos may have been assassinated, placing Soros poodle Riva (a former Marxist and part-time environmentalist) in a position to gain politically.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/08/30/all-factors-point-cia-aerially-assassinating-brazilian-presidential-candidate.html
Perhaps to boost her ‘street cred’ as an environmentalist, there has been an assassination recently of a leading defender of the forests.
C of BRICS, China – the question of Hong Kong’s elections on the horizon.
I of BRICS – ISIS outreach to Indian muslims
R – ‘human rights’ demo upcoming
Plus – Malaysia – again, ‘human rights’ demo upcoming
Everything’s connected.
AK,
For a fair stance on historical grounds if I were you I would not mix the appealing and rightful courage of the Hungarian president directed nowadays to the bullying pressures of the new Empire with the historical revisionism based on a romanticist and wishful grandeur of Greater Hungary, that is the one before Treaty of Trianon.
However each people is entitled to its own nationalist views and actions for the good of their ethnic community but that does not mean that it has to be done to hurt or unfairly treat others.
I fully agree here with Andreas Walsh (that posted here) that in a certain territory you have to yield the power and self governing to the ethnic majority.
I can only speak for the Romanian population in Transylvania and say that was always a majority compared with the Hungarian one.
For the documentation you can check the last population census ethnic based before the WWI.
For a fair and truthful approach of historical matters! Regards!
Evia
Yatsenyuk compares Nato to Heaven, to God, wants to be part of the divine
http://www.ukrinform.ua/eng/news/yatseniuk_says_about_nato_membership_remembering_bible_326089
Condoleezza Rice says move now. EU must stop depending on Russian energy. She/it reckons Russia will run out of cash before the EU runs out of energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT4Cm8w1rI
Condoleezza Rice says move now. EU must stop depending on Russian energy. She/it reckons Russia will run out of cash before the EU runs out of energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBT4Cm8w1rI