Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov gives a news conference after a meeting with the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republic (LPR, DPR) officials, LPR Foreign Minister Vladislav Deinego, and DPR First Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Peresada, in Moscow, on Friday, February 25.
Saker Message:
1. Russia is ready to start negotiations immediately after the Ukrainian Armed Forces lay down their arms.
2. Ukraine will be demilitarized.
3. Ukraine will be denazified.
4. Russia will no longer allow Nazis to rule in Ukraine.
Go Russia!
It is now worth the 8 years of interest and waiting.
39:00 He is contaminated with unpolitness virus :)))
That was funny. It is like he is no longer constrained to be polite to the western reporters.
But this guy was a one special snowflake. He was really unpolite, limelight seeking douchebag, and he didn’t allow Chinese journalist to ask his question. Lavrov was polite to the rest of them.
Sarcastically polite .. saying No, CNN after the BBC (or the other way around I cannot remember) is too much!
Yes, Lavrov’s new attitude was the most satisfying moment of othervise unsurprising press conference.
I sincerely hope those are the objectives and mistakes like the ones Milosevic made in the Yugoslav wars against NATO backed Croats, Slovenians and Bosnian Muslims won’t be repeated here. Yugoslav army had the ability and capacity to win the war but whenever they advanced and were about the destroy the enemy, command to halt operations would come from Belgrade. This was because Milosevic was threatened by NATO with attack on Serbia proper and mother Russia with drunkard Boris Yeltsin at its helm abandoned us.
Yes… and at that time, we Europeans had been deceived by Western propaganda. So much so that it took us years to finally realize that Milosevic was not the criminal we had been told, and that the situation had in fact been more complicated than we had thought.
Sorry about that, bro. Hopefully, todays’ situation is definitely different.
Fred
We now know that Milosevic did not have full command of the JNA. The JNA was riddled with transatlantic stooges.
Ukraine could well enjoy a status of neutrality in the Swiss or Austrian model and become a prosperous country without an army and in peace with its neighbors. But for that, we must also clean up the “Nazis of the shadows” that lurk in NATO, Washington, London and Paris.
And Canada.
Zero tolerance for Nazis.
Unfortunately, like 1945, the Nazis will emigrate to Canada. We don’t need them here, perhaps carve out a section of a country like Argentina? Seems that worked for another tribe in the past.
FM Lavrov looks far more chilled in not having to endure excruciating braindead meetings with western diplomats.
I wonder if his chain smoking has reduced now?
Btw, this character is clearly a Ukrainian supporter but nonetheless an interesting tweet under the heading
“Thousands of Kadyrov’s troops prepare to deploy to #Ukraine”.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarQs__/status/1497179529755959308
If accurate, they don’t look like “peace keepers” … although who knows?
“If accurate, they don’t look like “peace keepers” … ”
More like “peace makers”.
Mr. Kadyrov offer tough boys to deal with banderistas and Jihadists in not so glorious Ukraine…
I heard those Chechens were heading for Mariupol to dig those Azov pigs out of their nest.
Esta documentado que un grupo de yihadistas fue enviado por los gringos desde Siria – Idlib a reforzar el regimiento Azov. A ese grupo es el que van a buscar los enviados de Kadirov.
Lavrov for President
You got him all wrong my friend I for one Pray that he remains
In office .The world needs Lavrov.
This corrupt shitty world requires folks who’ll go up against killers like Biden -Blinken & Co and not gentleman like FM Lavrov . . . . unfortunately.
He’s old school professorial, a 1st class diplomat. Well diplomacy died decades ago at the bloody hands of the US.
Kadyrov for President or. possibly, the successor of Shoigu. An experienced, battle-hardened person with a very strong, patriotic commitment to Russia. Moreover, Kadyrov is 24 years younger than Putin, the latter turning 70 this coming fall.
Will the Zionazis revert to their full-on Islamophobic mode which was all the rage in the 1990s?
Lavrov is a master. A master of knowledge, a master of diplomacy, a strong master that can face any of these western journalists imbued with their ideology. He is naturally soft but with an iron hand.
He handled very well these blind, stubborn journalists (e.g. CNN, BBC) who only see their own biased side of the story and have no basic understanding of the situation.
I suggest you listen to the whole conference, as you will learn how Russia respond to these fancy allegations made by the West.
Headmaster Lavrov reproaches the Western “journalists” for not having done their homework. They probably never even bought the books, let alone opened them.
The vomit-inducing sanctimonious hypocrisy of the Anglo-American press never ceases to amaze me.
There are currently air strikes by Israel against military installations in Syria and by the Saudis against civilian targets in Yemen. Neither of them receives any attention by BBC or CNN who are so obssessed about the Russian operation in Ukraine
I watched Lavrov live with my Students (high school).
My Students and I simultaneously monitored the global news corps – from CN, BBC, ABC, Al Jez, RT, and every channel in between that we could (using several computer screens and several TV sets) to see how the coverage varied globally (we were discussing naratives and censorship, aka propaganda and I knew what would happen).
Using RT as a “control” (as I anticipated this not be interupted or spoken over by the news corp) my Students were shocked to see the selective cutting and chopping going on in western media (inc Al Jez which became western via John McCains intervention well over a decade ago), and the usual “talking over” important parts by an approved talking head ‘ faux expert delivering an approved interpretation whenever western narrative destroying “Truth bombs” or other difficult facts / evidence were dropped / delivered.
The cutting back to the studio for “breaking news” during this live conference (which was dropping too many truth bombs for the western media) was shocking to some of my students. They saw for the first time with their own eyes the consderable variety (and quality) of reporting globally.
There was an interesting section in the west (the very rude CNN guy in Kiev who kept interupting outside his turn) described in several news outlets as Lavrov “refusing” to ansewer hard questions from CNN “on the ground” (they seem to be everywhere in Kiev, even the airport), but then the western media never showed Lavrov return to the CNN – when it was turn to field questions – and ansewer his questions.
To the uniformed masses who watch propaganda such as the BBC (who are als in Kiev) and CNN, it would seem Lavrov was struggling or refusing to answer hard questions when the opposite was true.
Incedently, before I go, I described in my previous comments that the West and Russia would at some point undertake a new version of the WW2 “race to Berlin” but this time it would be a “race to Oddessa”. This would be “for keeps”.
It looks like this played out, and at the moment it looks like Putin has won this race, but the fight is still far from over. The British and Americans had planned to send an expeditionary force but were warned off by Putins outside intervention warning. It is not however over, and the British and Americans have signifficant spec ops cability to cause significant difficulties, if not block, Russian ceasure / full control of Odessa.
I also stated that Putin would have to order the seizure and control of nuclear power plants (and other critical plants), and this has been done (or is in the process of being done) in almost the exact way I described it would be done, and in the timescale it would be done.
So, as I have shown my “form” in predicting what will happen next, I offer you this –
The next big weapon the US and the UK will use is Cyber Warfare – but not against Russia in Russia.
Mark my words,the US and UK have already planned a so called “Cyber Attack” against themeselves (a sort of assymetric false flag). It will be against thier own financial infrasture and other critical infrastruture – not just internet banking and such like, but real critical systems – such as Swift, international banking coms, and even domestic power and water distribution.
This will be the real “false flag” some people are expecting. It will allow the west to cover a multitude of sins and propblems (including looming economic collapse) and blame it on “Russian Agression”.
It will also allow the whole of the west to introduce wartime level leagal measures (such as tried in Canada and Australia) to introduce a command and control economic and govermental system as outlined in various UN documents and described in some detail in WEF documents (especially the so called Great Reset).
This show is just getting started and has a long, long, way to go. After it is over the economies of the US and collective West will be greatly weaker (by design) than today.
Mark these words.
Crazy Times: I wish every school would teach what you taught your students. With your guidance they saw it for themselves which is real education, not just dictation. Bravo!
I think you are correct that it is far from over for the “international community”. They will use powerful self-inflicted false flags in order to subjugate their populations even further. People will only get their freedom back when they start taking heads. That is the only way to get government to work for the people, through fear the same way they control their populations through media.
I remember one event that is worth recounting. After the destruction of the MH117 in Ukraine, a group of DPR soldiers walked the area of disaster. At one point they found a backpack for children. Here is a summary of two reportings:
CNN: They show the soldiers taking toys from the bag and tell the viewers how insensitive these separatists were to take advantage of the situation to steal children toys.
RT: Rt shows the soldiers and you can hear their conversation (my recollection): “How cruel someone could be to kill children like that”. The leader took one toy and everyone made a prier to the children, after which he put the toy back into the bag.
This incident is all you have to know about MSM…
Indeed, Robert! Those two scenes were very enlightening and made me very angry, Especially after watching the cretin Frans Timmermans sickening hypocrisy on TV.
Retired school teacher here. Wonderful lesson for your students in exposing them to western media bias in real time. A model for inspiring critical thinking–AWOL for most of the USA.
@Crazy Times: Australia has not introduced “wartime legal measures…to introduce a command and control economic and government systems.” I saw some US reporting on what has been happening in Australia over the last two years and to be quite frank they were pretty much lies. The truth was reframed to served whatever political agenda any particular pundit or talking head had at the time.
I have been living a far more normal life than the remainder of the world has over the last two years and am extremely grateful that I am lucky enough to live in one of the most isolated cities in thwe world. However even within Australia other Australian States and our own Federal government have been attempting to rewrite the reality of how we have been living. So it’s not just the world that’s been getting what has been happening wrong in the city and state I live in.
Surrender does not mean the loss of the right to self-determination. Japan and Germany remained as nations even after unconditional surrender.
Or maybe not. The right of nations to self-determination happens to be another idea invented by Vladimir Lenin. Maybe Putin rejects that too.
Sarkozy (former French president), is the only one who just said something different after a rendez-vous with Macron :
– Aggressiveness is ramped up since weeks.
– The only way is diplomacy, there is no other choice.
– If there is no diplomacy its total war.
– Time for multilateralism.
– NATO, G7, G20, UN do not work.
– Time to find something new for this century.
– If France does not do it (diplomacy), nobody will do it, its a chance we have.
Shut up, Sarko, you are the principal executionner of the Arab Republic of Lybia. As a “hidden” hardcore Zionist, you followed the orders of your “God´s chosen” Tribe. Putin should have punched you in the face when you showed irrespectful attitude towards Mother Russia. Maybe that one would have saved Lybia & Ghaddafi.
Lavrov is amazing. It is revolting, I am outraged by the attitude of the liberals of Russia and Ukraine. The pro-Western Ukrainians still believe they will beat Russia. Cade the Femen feminist group to defend Zelensky. Zelensky is 40 years old, and he is showing that he is just a boy, an unprepared child. Zelensky has now changed his facial expression, and the parliamentarians are silent. They are not sleeping at night. And the clubs with young people in Kiev, are they still full of alienated people looking to transcend, like last week? Pride precedes a fall, and Ukrainians are afraid and frustrated. Too late!!!
Lavrov unplugged. Brilliant.
I keep thinking about something…
Russia was essentially mocking the US at their “invasion plans” for some time. Seems so strange that they continue down this road, and then actually attack.
The apparent “trigger” was that Zelensky made this comment about nuclear weapons.
Is there any possibility that Ukraine was about to sign and join NATO, and this attack stopped that in its tracks? Or not possible at all?
The Ze-stuff utterances about getting gadget sounded to me like setting the story, creating a misc en scene, that the gadget(s) would be made by Ukraine, while the reality would be a miraculous magic gadget that was about to be given to the nazis by their “sponsor”…That could take place in hours and with mastery over western media credulous western people would believe the “Ukrainian bomb” to be Ukrainian, when in fact it was not. VVP probably had a memo on Stalin’s desk…the Russian police action prevented the transfer of nukes to the nazi operation… That’s my opinion. It seems to explain the timing, though of course the plans were begun long long ago…Russia has fought foreigner in Ukraine for 250 years.
(BTW RT does not connect from US westcoast digs)
The end of the war flies to Ukraine
On the personal order of the Head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Akhmatovia Kadyrov, 10,000 servicemen of the National Guard Troops of Russia/Rosgvardia across Chechnya to Ukraine.
Ramzan Kadyrov issued an official statement in which he stated that Chechen fighters would go to the “hottest spots” in Ukraine.
“If you really want to meet us, then you are welcome to meet us there with pleasure. We must be ready for anything to ensure the security of the Chechen people,” Kadyrov stressed.
Such units are also called “window – door”. This is a slang expression, it means that employees must clear buildings and operate in urban combat conditions.
https://t.me/bazabazon/9947
https://t.me/bazabazon/9945
Yes. I didn’t want to be in the shoes of liberal pro-Western Ukrainians right now. Liberal Ukrainian bloggers, journalists, artists and TV stars have nihilism written all over their faces. They have a mixture of amazement, petulance, fear and surprise now. That’s what nihilism does to nations, it drives them into chaos. Everything that the Anglo-Saxon-Ostrogoth-Swedish-Franco-German Zionist empire touches with his hands, rots and dies. And the sixth eye Germany has also been taken over by nihilism and will soon break up too.
Its handful of devils at the top in EU that are behind all this UKN situation since 2014.
Plus their dog Obama.
disgusting pride and petulance precede the fall. The Anglo-Saxon-Ostrogoth-Swedish-French-German Zionist empire deceived the Ukrainians and all Slav liberals. Ukrainian liberal bloggers, journalists, artists and TV stars will have to leave Ukraine. Russia will create a kind of right to Ukraine. It will demand that all alienated and pro-Western people leave Eastern Europe. We live in serious and serious days in history. Humanity is after the second world war having its first encounter with reality. The truth hurts, the truth slaps, the truth is dictator! That simple!
that would need a lot of train carriages….coaches…for quite a long journey…which route via Crimea and or Rostov..might be some vid evidence somewhere?..
Greetings to all: I’m obsessively tracking military developments online. Twitter is still my only real up-to-the-minute source of information, and it’s rarely clear which reports are reliable. Regardless, I am getting the impression that the Russian army is generally victorious in its operations.
Yesterday’s news was unnerving because of widespread reports that an elite VdV unit had been wiped out at Homostel Airport outside of Kiev. But it’s still not clear what exactly happened. Today there are reports of ongoing fighting at Homostel. Maybe this means the Russian paratroopers are okay. Let’s see.
Favorable news for the Russian army has definitely been forthcoming since last night and continuing this morning.
Looks like the Russians have encircled many Ukie villages and cities in Sumy oblast. Even Ukie Twitter sources are acknowledging this. Kharkov appears to be isolated and cut-off. The Russians appear to control the Kiev-Sumy highway. At least two Russian columns are now in the vicinity of Kiev. The Russian army definitely controls the territory between Crimea and the southern reaches of the Dniepr River. Pro-Ukie Twitter sources acknowledge that an Ukie column was destroyed by the Russians somewhere near Kherson.
Another clue that Russia is winning can be gleaned from what Western media is not reporting. So far, Western media has reported virtually nothing about Ukie casualties or reversals on the ground. Remember, most Western media is pro-Ukie propaganda. So, if Western media has nothing to say about Ukie casualties and reversals, that is reason to believe that something very bad is probably happening to the Ukies.
If anyone has anything to add to this, please do so.
Forget Twitter, it is full of garbage. Real news are deleted.
May I suggest Telegram at the following sites:
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/boris_rozhin
Colonel Cassad is Russian, but you can use the site for videos, and translate the text with a translator (I personally use it in parallel on the same screen.
@GW
I have been Twitter watching too – in its a form it is Citizen Journalism at best, but is currently being used against Russia to provide live intel to Ukraine and the Mercs.
I watched many hours of footage from various sources in the last few days and have noticed x2 main points –
1) In thier determination to avoid what the Americans would call “Collateral Damage” (ie the murder of inocents and wanton destruction of civillian infrastructure) the Russian forces are taking grave risks with thier lives and equipment. I have seen several occasions where troops have entered areas that have not been properly secured (to protect civillians I assume) and they have left themslves open to counter attack by even incompetent forces.
Also, there is a lot of footage of Russian helicopters flying in formation (and quite slowly) over disputed areas without using suppressing fire or cover fire to the ground. I appreciate they wont encounter Ukrainian jets or attack helicopters but flying over areas at levels even small arms can hit them is leaving them very exposed to someone with a bit of skill and a heavy machine gun. Mercs and trained soldiers armed with Manpads would have decimated them.
There is some Twitter footage of other helicopters flying over an unsecured area and then getting shot at with RPGs and machines guns.
Other footage shows a helicopter being shot out of the sky by posibly an Igla or Stinger (but could be an rpg).
Other footage shows Russian tanks and Armoured personnel carriers parking up on roads with no cover even from view, much less from fire. Many are opposite tower blocks leaving them exposed to RPG, straffing heavy machine gun, and the various US and UK anti-tank systems deployed.
Bunching up vehicles and stopping conveys when people move a car or walk onto the road is another school-boy error I have seen the Russians fall into. Done in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Syria this sort of thing would have resulted in carnage.
I think at the moment it is more luck than judgement that the Russian losses have not been much higher.
2) The other major problem is allowing people to post on Twitter and other on line social media the exact location (with geotags in some cases), the exact number, and what type of force / unit is where and when – in other words the Ukrainians and the US and UK Mercs are getting real time on the ground intel and targeting info.
A shocking example of this when CNN gave out live (albeit Coded as per the Gulf War) fire control instructions and images of the forces deployed at Kiev airport. I watched this live as it happened and shouted “hes giving fire control details live on air!” at the TV screen. The CNN reporter even said that he and his crew were now behind building such-and-such left of the carpark (in other words bias your incomming fire to the other side!).
I was expecting to see the Russian troops vapourised live on air, and if the US or UK were manning the missile / drone / artillary that would have happened. However I did see a Ukrainian helicopter do a straffing run with rockets after the Russians had redeployed, which was perhaps all they could manage.
It should be clear to the Russians by now that Citizens / Mercs / Mainstream Media are feeding live intel via social media that will prove to be useful in a counter attack / strike of opportunity. Therefore this “Twittering” live and allowing CNN (set up by the CIA for use during Gulf War 1 and used by the CIA to this day) to virtually embed themselves with Russian troops must stop – or there will at some point be a serios loss of life and military “upset”.
Finally, staying on the theme of Twitter, it looks like a Turkish Mercenary / Syrian Mercenary “hunting party” has been put together to get rid of them. I hear (from Twitter ironically) that many of the middle-eastern Mercs are currently waiting patiently in Marioupol and Kharkiv to do what they do best – fight inside cities whilst hiding behind civillians:
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497178570547994645
Excuse my English on the final paragraph, it would read better if I say, “A Chechen Hunting party has been put together to hunt down and get rid off Turkish / Syrian Mercenaries”.
Finally, one of my High School students pointed out, with a tongue-in-cheek way, that the c.200 Ukrainians reported killed by the Russians over the entire country in several days of fighting is, quote, “less than the talley for a single US drone strike on an Afghan wedding party”. Sometimes the kids really nail it. I cant see the BBC and the CNN ever giving such a comparrison.
Russia is simply liberating Ukrainians from a externally controlled Govt who are a hostage of evil EU forces.
Just as they liberated Germans from the extremes, horrors and oppression of the Nazis.
Even patriot Germans moved to do the same – July 1944.
When you put everything in its proper perspective then things become clear.
Ukraine Military should arrest its Govt Officials before its too late.
Putin has just asked the Ukr army to take control…..
Crazies in the EU wants to put personal sanctions on Putin and Lavrov.
Several experts (i.e., Rob Lee) posting on Twitter speculate that the Russian army is trying hard to limit civilian casualties. Allegedly heavy Russian firepower could have been put to more devastating use these past two days. This may be an indication – according to experts – that Russia’s military and political leadership does not want to politically alienate the citizens of the country currently known as Ukraine.
Other updates from Twitter:
1) Elijah J. Magnier, a veteran war correspondent, just tweeted that Russian troops control Homostel Airport. I don’t know what to make of this allegation, but I hope it’s true. I am very concerned about the well-being of the Russian VdV soldiers who were airdropped into Homostel yesterday.
2) An Ukie column was allegedly destroyed outside Bucha, Kiev. The original report includes video evidence. Highly respected military expert Rob Lee has also echoed this report in his tweets, so maybe it’s true.
3) The first reports of Ukie troop surrenders appeared on Twitter this morning. Apparently they are small scale surrenders, though.
4) The Ukrainian defense ministry is making outlandish claims about Russian casualties. Max Seddon, a famous journalist writing for Financial Times, is parroting those claims. IMO, this is reason to believe the exact opposite: that in fact the Ukies have suffered high casualties. The Ukie government and its allies in Western media are probably trying to deflect attention from this possibility.
5) Russian troops and armor are definitely massed on the outskirts of Kherson. Videos from multiple sources substantiate this claim.
6) Ukie troops in Kiev claim to have gunned down Russian saboteurs wearing civilian clothing. Other reports indicate that Ukie soldiers, in their confusion, have also shot numerous civilians. Video evidence concerning this report is available on Twitter.
7) An Atlantic Council reporter (remember: the Atlantic Council is NATO’s think tank, and has has a profound anti-Russian bias) has posted a video purportedly showing Russian armor moving through a Kiev residential neighborhood.
8) FRANCE 24 reports that gunfire and explosions can be heard in Kiev’s suburbs. FRANCE 24 is far less Russophobic and pro-Ukie that other Western media, so I believe what this news agency says.
9) Oliver Carroll, well-known Western journo with a strong anti-Russia and pro-Ukraine bias, also reports that explosions and gunfire are heard from inside Kiev’s city limits. This may be solid evidence that the Russian army is successfully penetrating Kiev.
10) The mayor of Mariupol – an unreliable source because he’s an Ukie official – claims the Ukie army repulsed a Russian tank assault on his city. But we can at least glean that the Russians are on the attack in Mariupol.
I’ll have more data to share later. Michael Kofman – who is probably the most respected and trustworthy analyst on this conflict – is starting to release his first reports for today. I’ll be back to share what Kofman reports.
Thank you. Important piece of news are Russian reports that Ukro forces are positioning rocket launchers/heavy artillery in residential areas of Kyev and Kharkov. This is a trick to invite retaliation that cannot not harm civilians. Very cynical move.
“Russian troops control Homostel Airport”
It is true. They have secured the airport and they have done massive airlift using heavy cargo planes with many paratroopers and vechicles. There are pictures of column of with multiple 2s9 Nona and BMDs rolling in Kiev. They have cut Kiev from the west side.
https://southfront.org/kiev-assault-the-capital-besieged-russia-and-ukraine-to-launch-negotiations-videos/
Speed of Russia’s shock troppers is really impressive.
I like to ask the informed people here:
how reliable is SouthFront anymore?
who are they batting for now?
I didn’t think this was Lavrov’s best press conference. He had an angry, scowling demeanor which I don’t think worked well. I think Lavrov is trying to follow Putin’s style of calling out Western journalists for their hypocrisy. However, Putin is better at this. He has a measured style that is needed. Lavrov is an excellent diplomat, but I don’t think he has quite mastered this type of exchange.
I will offer my two cents about Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I think Russia’s explanations for why it is doing this are real. Even so, taking this action is going to create problems. The actions of a country need to be tested by asking, “Is this an action that we want to see countries taking generally?” The answer in this case I think is “no”. I don’t think I have to name certain countries that I don’t want to give a license to invade smaller countries that it accuses of threats and human rights violations. In theory one might try to devise laws to distinguish between allowed and disallowed circumstances, but such rules I think would be very complicated and hard to define and likely unworkable.
Since the 2014 coup, Ukraine seems to be run by the U.S. and the anti-Russian faction, especially the Nazis. Ukraine is basically under an American semi-occupation. I am not sure how U.S. control is established, but that seems to be the reality. Russia has tried for 8 years to negotiate an end to the Ukrainian crisis, but the U.S./Kiev side has just been inflaming the situation. Russia has given up on negotiations and is ending the U.S./Nazi semi-occupation by force. Perhaps they will organize an election in Ukraine, where people can decide what government they want, free from U.S./Nazi coercion. Zelenski’s election on a platform of repairing relations with Russia suggests the Ukrainian public wants better Russian relations, not conflict. Hopefully, the invasion will not change that attitude.
U.S. occupations are disasters. Will the Russians fare better? I suspect they might because 1) they plan thoroughly, 2) they know Ukraine well, and 3) they genuinely care about Ukraine. We will find out in the coming weeks and months if this is the case. The U.S. plan seems to be to promote an insurgency.
Putin and Lavrov seem emotional and perhaps defensive lately. I hope they are making decisions in a careful and thoughtful way. Making decisions from emotions is a recipe for error.
Edward, I can accept that you know everything there is to know about Putin and Lavrov’s emotional state, but you’re making some errors.
This is not about the Ukraine. It is about security guarantees for Russia. The Ukraine is but an issue that Russia, somewhat like a cat, simply took away the mouse that the western powers played with in order to gain/maintain their fast-eroding superiority, and from the US+ side, maintain power over Europe so that they can filch all the remaining riches from Europe. The Ukraine is but a puppet or a puzzle piece or a mouse.
Then, you talk about the 2014 coup. The security guarantee issue started years before then and was articulated by Putin in his 2007 Munich speech. Since then, the Russians negotiated, to no avail and only to have all weapons treaties canceled by the color orange from the US. Then security guarantees were no longer there.
And, elections for the Ukraine? Well you know, they did. The two republics decided they wanted nothing to do with the Nazi regime and declared independence. Crimea declared by overwhelming vote to be re-absorbed into Russia. Zelensky ran on a peace platform, which is what the Ukrainians voted for. But of course, we’ve seen no peace.
Amarynth,
It is about both. Russia has a lot at stake over its intervention in Ukraine and it needs to go well for them. The larger security issues are present as well, but right now I think the challenge for Russia is handling its intervention in Ukraine.
I think the Ukraine has had a facade of democracy since 2014, but somehow the U.S. is in control. As you know, the U.S. has a program of sponsoring color revolutions in other countries to install client regimes.
I don’t claim to know how decisions are made in the Kremlin. I am simply raising a concern which may be unwarranted. However, history offers examples of leaders making bad errors due to acting on emotions.
I don’t think the Russian intervention is a catastrophic error. However, it is a messy, problematic action which Russia has been trying very hard to avoid for good reason. Nevertheless, Russia may be able to overcome the difficulties and accomplish their goals: de-Nazify and disarm Ukraine. The Kremlin is fairly cautious and I imagine they estimate their chances of success are good.
Cannot agree – England has much morality and promise but its current leadership is the problem.
England was originally inhabited 2000 yrs ago by mainly redheaded Celtics (who were pushed into Wales) but that was changed by invasions by Romans and Vikings changing it to a Italian Germanic group which was great mix. Then you had Central European royals move west and eventually take over UK.
So that is the situation.
Caucasian is simply referred to as white people.
But Britain did bring new technology and stable govts to wild areas of the globe.
Where would the natives of these countries be today if left the same – living huts and living nomadic lives or tribes fighting etc…. ?
Spain and other also brought in similar but in more harsher ways.
But the plundering of assets elsewhere today has to stop or be reduced.
@Saker
That’s a move
https://ria.ru/20220225/ukraina-1775121829.html
Putin offers Ukrainian military to take over the government of the country.
As Infowars said today Russia needs to be wary of trap over this UKN situation however I dont think the EU devils realize Putin would do the LNDR deal, or move into UKN has as happened.
They are in shock at this and how fast its happened and that their operatives in UKN have folded.
I have not worked out what the trap may be but will advise.
A Russian deal with Greece and Turkey would re-position the strategic picture.
And I think Spain might also be receptive too as they arent too happy with the EU either.
But in the end deals to solve all this west-east conflict needs to happen to iron out all the long term issues.
China Media Netease published:
Dissenting from Putin, 150 top Russian officials issue open letter urging end to war
I’m walking and watching
2022-02-25 06:55
After Russia launched an invasion war against Ukraine on Thursday (Feb. 24), 150 Russian MPs and officials signed an open letter on the same day, condemning Putin’s invasion of Ukraine as an “unprecedented atrocity” and warning that the Russian aggression against Ukraine would have disastrous consequences.
According to the Daily Mail website, the open letter said that the Russian public does not support the war and condemned Putin for personally ordering a “war of aggression against Ukraine that has no and cannot be justified.
The report said that after Putin announced a special military operation against Ukraine in a televised speech in Moscow early on the morning of the 24th, Russian forces have attacked Ukraine from Crimea, the Russian-Ukrainian border and the Belarus-Ukrainian border, and Ukraine has been hit by Russian short- and medium-range missiles fired from land and the Black Sea.
The open letter urges Russians not to participate in Putin’s aggression and calls on the Russian public to speak out against this war of aggression. “Only massive condemnation can stop this war,” the letter reads.
Moscow MPs Elena Rusakova, Maxim Gongalsky, Andrey Morev, Kotnochkina (Elena Filina) St. Petersburg officials David Kuvaev, Polina Sizova, Veliky Novgorod The letter was signed by city councilor Anna Cherepanova and others.
This is a rare occasion for Russian officials to come out against Putin, who has been known to crack down on dissent in the country. Last week, Russian television also broadcast live a meeting of Moscow’s top security chiefs, all of whom appeared to be supporting Putin’s proposal to invade Ukraine.
The letter was co-signed by Russian elected members of parliament and government officials who “unreservedly condemn the war of aggression launched by Russian forces against Ukraine.
The letter reads, “This is an unprecedented atrocity that cannot and cannot be justified, and the order to invade was made by Russian President Vladimir Putin personally. We are convinced that he did not have the authorization of the Russian people.”
The letter also warned of the catastrophic consequences of this military action, which “will result in thousands of dead, injured, and the destruction of many cities cherished by Russians.” Russia will be condemned by the international community and isolated, Russian prices will rise; Russia will become poor.
The letter reads, “Russia’s hopes for a better life are dashed before our eyes… We urge you not to participate in this invasion and not to allow it, please don’t be silent about it, only a massive condemnation can stop this war.”
The report said that while it was unclear how many people had been injured, artillery fire had hit Luhansk, Sumy, Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine and Zhytomyr and Chernihiv in western Ukraine, on the border between Ukraine and Poland.
The Russian Defense Ministry claims they are not targeting cities, but are using precision weapons to attack Ukrainian military installations, but have killed many Ukrainian civilians.
Ukrainian rebels who control the Donbass region in eastern Ukraine have also moved in to seize two villages.
No link? Would you be so kind as to show me these ‘150 top Russian officials’. Txs
it was Daily Mail
but might refer to this
https://www.politico.eu/article/anti-war-russia-open-letter-to-president-vladimir-putin/
check out this maybe
https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/more-than-600-russian-scientists-sign-open-letter-against-war-with-ukraine/4015292.article
if one wishes….
China Netease News
https://c.m.163.com/news/a/H11JH0K90552M0B2.html?spss=newsapp_qrcode&isFromH5Share=article&spssid=eba57a121c1e02d679117d46bf26dd2f&spsw=12
Chris, to my knowledge this happened weeks ago, and it was not 150. It was dealt with already.
RIA I assume is Ria Novosti. So, if you do a search there, you will get the background..
@amarynth
Usually the CN Netease media source is reliable. No, Idea where the author got it from. Maybe in the next days we will figure it out.
150MPs? Daily Mail?
Uhmm. NO :))))
Here is a good look at who the Nazis will be facing today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwZ1yWkhh_s
Now there are now multiple reports that Chechens – who we all know are the world’s best infantrymen by far – are fighting on behalf of the Russians at Kiev. Ramzan Kadyrov is making public statements underscoring that his troops are involved.
I don’t know what to make of these reports. Possibly this is disinformation released by the Russian side for the purpose of terrifying and demoralizing Ukie troops. At least that’s my hunch. I hold this view because, over a period of nearly ten years, I’ve engaged many pro-Maidan Ukie “patriots” and “nationalists” over the Internet and most seemed phobic about Chechens.
Assuming it’s true that the Kadyrovtsy are supporting the Russians in combat, the negative psychological fallout among Ukie soldiers could be serious and widespread.
@ Aoi
Thank you very much for that information ,I knew that they are evil ,their tenacles are all over the world.
Thank you again
Tom
@ Andrew Neopalimyi on February 25, 2022 · at 8:48 am EST/EDT
“The end of the war flies to Ukraine…”
I have not seen any reliable source, Russian or otherwise, announcing the deployment of Chechen soldiers to Ukraine. If you ever find one, please share it, I’ll be glad if that’s the case. Thanks.
Lone Wolf
PS: Pictures with a caption are not verification enough.
Just heard that Biden called Moscow this morning, wanted to talk to Brezhnev:))
Forget western crocodile tears and hypocritical whining. Too bad no one sanctioned US and NATO when they invaded Iraq and other nations under false pretenses. Many of those condemning Russia today have blood on their hands, and are disgracing themselves.
A beauty of Russia’s recent moves is they expose they hypocrisy and double-dealing of the West. Washington can’t say out loud its actual policies, because they are so repugnant. The U.S. press helps Washington pretend it has good motives, and they have become lazy with their pretensions, which don’t hold up well when the test comes.
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