On Friday March 11th, after a week of violent attacks by Kiev junta mercenaries on the buildings of Russia’s diplomatic mission in Ukraine, Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson, Maria Zakharova gave a Media briefing and made the following statement:
“Will appeal to those who took and still have been taking part in these pogroms. Do you consider yourself cool when clutching in your fist a chicken egg and Zelenka (brilliant green antiseptic) you try to vandalize a Russian Embassy? Do you really feel powerful at this moment? Do you consider yourself to be patriots of Ukraine? I want to remind to those who are now storming the Russian diplomatic mission, you had the opportunity to prove your love of your country, your patriotism, when Ukraine had declared mobilization. How it ended, we all remember. Half of you hid in Russia with relatives, others – on social networks.”
This is what Cat said about this statement:
“I must acknowledge that today’s announcement by Zakharova is no different from statement made by Roizman in relation to a Russian woman. Essentially today she declared RUSSIANS, to whom Putin offered a legal safe haven in their own country, so they wouldn’t be forced to kill Russians and wouldn’t be forced to be killed… this madam called them cowards , in essence, that they didn’t go to kill their own people. She went even further… She equated Russian nation that lives on the territory of Ukraine with mercenary bastards hired by the international criminal group that organized attacks on the Embassy. Right now, we already know the names of some of them, for example Irma Krat, Girkin’s ally, that played a role of a POW in Slavyansk, and now plays a role near our Embassy in Kiev. Is this Krat one of those Russians who were seeking refuge and safe haven in their Motherland?”
“Is this Krat symbolizing Russians for Maria Zakharova? Those Russians that… I have to… I am forced to say here… I have got an impression that Zakharova regrets that Russians didn’t go to kill Russians, but cowardly took a refuge, I repeat, in their own motherland.”
“I am very interested to know, does she realize that this is their Motherland? And she hasn’t privatized the motherland of Russians, is she aware of this?”
“I must acknowledge that her statement is no different from this one:
Yevgeny Roizman, a Mayor of Yekaterinburg since 2013.
“A refugee came in. (Meaning to his office) A Russian woman from Uzbekistan. Moved here with her entire family. Seven children. Very demanding and apprehensive. Deeply believes that we owe her something. Certain that I have money for her, but I refuse to give it to her. Her oldest son is 29 and he has a family. Her daughter has a husband. Another son is 19yo and four other children are school age. I will make sure that they will get everything they are entitled to. But they are not refugees… they just moved.”
“But, Zaharova’s statement is much more cynical… She dares to blame Russians for refusing to die for American happiness…
I am not going to defend her any longer.
I wash my hands…”
Meanwhile, this what President Putin said about the Ukrainian draft dodgers.
Russia may extend sojourn for Ukrainians of conscription age — Putin
“Many people, by the way, do not want to be mobilized. They are trying to move into Russia and lie low for some time. And they are absolutely right, because they are simply being sent under bullets like cannon fodder. The problem is that according to the new law the citizens of Ukraine cannot stay in Russia for longer than 30 days. When they return to Ukraine, they are being grabbed and pushed under bullets. That’s why we are going to change some things, in the legal framework… We can extend time of being in Russia for certain categories of people of draft age.
In its essence the Ukrainian army is not an army, it’s a foreign legion. The Ukrainian military is a NATO foreign legion. This NATO foreign legion isn’t interested in defending the national interests of Ukraine. Instead, these armed forces are pursuing of geo-political aim of containment of Russia. This aim absolutely differs from the real national interests of the Ukrainian people.” – President Putin
Sometime back in 2000s, I was horribly injured. I had died, but was revived, alive but absolutely helpless. I was on my own. I had never asked for help from anyone before. At the time I happened to live in one of those Western countries. Using all the appropriate channels, I asked a government of this country for assistance. I was denied any assistance including medical care. I was told that I was Russian, and that they don’t help Russians, and it was the government of Russia that should take care of me. They said, we don’t help “people like you.”
I was so weak, I couldn’t held the phone in my hand, it was laying on the pillow next to my face. I called the Embassy of Russia in this country and asked for assistance to get me back to Russia to my family. I knew that I would die if I stayed. The Russian embassy people refused to help. They weren’t interested in talking to me. They told me that there weren’t any government programs that would assist people “like me” with returning to Russia. When I asked the embassy people what “people like you” means? They couldn’t specify. My guess was that “people like you” meant the Russian citizens that were terribly injured and needed assistance to get back home. I pleaded with them. I said I was bedridden, that I wasn’t ambulatory, that I would die without assistance, and that I wanted to get back to my parents. They told me that it was a government of the country I lived at the time should take care of me and hung up. In my naivety I thought it was their job to help people like me. Out of scientific curiosity I called all the consulates of Russia, and they all refused to help. I emailed the Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Nothing. I think I still have their automatic response saved. “Thank you for your enquiry…”
I laid in a hospital, and I had all this time to think about Russia, my country that was occupied by our enemies. We were pushed out of our own country. We were made redundant in our own country. People who were in power in Russia at the time weren’t us. People, who worked as Russia’s government, weren’t us. They were instead of us. They took our country from under us. They replaced us, the Russians.
Eventfully, I was saved by the military officers of this Western country, of all people. Senior officers of the enemy military who were supposed to hate us, the Russians, but who felt so terribly ashamed by the actions of our respective governments, that they took care of me for an entire year, until I got back on my feet.
Since then, I have become extremely sensitive to any neglect or abuse that the Russia’s Embassies and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs demonstrate towards Russian people. Especially, when officers of these governmental institutions are violating policies established by the President Putin. He has been emphasizing again and again that the greatest tragedy of our time has been the collapse of the Soviet Union, as a result of which Russian people end up living in different countries and have become subjects of vicious Russophobic policies in those countries. He said that the Russian nation is the largest in the history of mankind that has been broken up into pieces and separated. Ukraine has at least 25 million Russian people living there. President Putin said that these people are welcome to come back to Russia at any time. Russia is their country.
The fate of Maria Sharapova and Mikhail Lesin shows us the complete impossibility for Russians to integrate into the Western society. No matter how rich and accomplished Russian people are, the US and Europe hold Russians as hostages. At any moment the Russians living in the Western countries can be beaten with blunt objects to death, like the millionaire Lesin, or to be humiliated and pushed out of their field of expertise, like the millionaire Sharapova.
It’s beyond me, how the unelected officer of the Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs can question the right of the ALL Russian people to return back home to Russia? How the officer of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, can suggest that it was a patriotic duty of Russian people living in Ukraine to go and kill other Russian people living in Ukraine. How dare this woman to chastise Russians who don’t want to kill Russians and prefer to move to Russia to avoid being drafted by the NATO junta?
How dare she?
How dare Maria Zakharova insult the Russian people who refused to kill each other for the American interests?
How dare she to not follow the policies of the Russia’s President?
I liked most of Scott’s posts.
But in this post on Zakharova he became pathetic and accusing without a reason:
“How dare Maria Zakharova insult the Russian people who refused to kill each other for the American interests?”…
Maria was not speaking about Russian people. Fullstop.
She was addressing Maidan thugs, who are highly professional in burning defenseless people in Odessa, killing and torturing “Berkut” guys, robbing and killing civilians. But too cowardly to walk the talk, when facing a danger:
“Will appeal to those who took and still have been taking part in these pogroms. Do you consider yourself cool when clutching in your fist a chicken egg and Zelenka (brilliant green antiseptic) you try to vandalize a Russian Embassy? Do you really feel powerful at this moment? Do you consider yourself to be patriots of Ukraine? I want to remind to those who are now storming the Russian diplomatic mission, you had the opportunity to prove your love of your country, your patriotism, when Ukraine had declared mobilization. How it ended, we all remember. Half of you hid in Russia with relatives, others – on social networks.”…
No Russians have been mentioned by Maria.
Isn’t it evident ?
“No Russians have been mentioned by Maria.”
Really?
She said: “Half of you hid in Russia with relatives…”
Who are” they” in your opinion? Martians?
Don’t bother explaining such simple concepts here. The author has a bug up his ass and although it is lovely to view the various region posts of his here, his analysis and ideas seem to be very warped. Almost Zionist in defensive paranoia.
The world does not hate Russians, the comments of Zakharova are not directed at Russian ethnic people in Kiev but more so the moronic assholes that are ruining their great country in the name of Western Financial Oligarchy.
Scott, removed. Mod on Duty., your observations and musings outside of celebrating the beauty and diversity of Russia is now annoying.
“You shall not make for yourselves an idol.”
I can see that for some people here Zakharova has become an idol that cannot be touched. Who knew?
Speaking of Zionists:
Maria Zakharova: “We all should learn from Venediktov. He created unique and highly requested product “Eco of Moscow””
Here are the images of Maria Zakharova and Venediktov getting very intimate together.
http://ivan-ushenin.livejournal.com/361528.html
You see how interesting. You are calling me a Zionist.
I don’t care. You can call me anything you want just don’t call me late for dinner
“Zionist” is better than what my ex mother-in-law used to call me.
I don’t work for Israel, if that what you are implying.
It’s not me standing there hugging Venediktov, it’s Maria Zakharova. It’s not me praising “Echo of Moscow,” it’s Maria Zakharova.
Read a conversation between Putin and Venediktov here;
/israel-threatens-russias-food-security-via-secret-free-trade-agreement-by-scott/
Rabel
Maria Zakharova: “We all should learn from Venediktov. He created unique and highly requested product.
For her to praise this scumbag and his product says it all. Nothing more to say about this prostitue. I hope we will not be seeing any more post involving her again. To promote her in an way shape or form is not dignified.
“… Zakharova and Venediktov getting very intimate together …”
What a revolting photo…
How could it happen that this Zakharova-scumbag got a job at Russian Foreign Ministry – and no less than as its representative? Something is very wrong here. Apparently, the 5th column in Russia has metastasized all over the centre of power. And Putin can’t do anything about it…
Yes, you have to wait and see what were the authentic statements of Mrs.Mariya Zakharova and not only rely on what could say a “Cat” on the network, before crucifying her. Especially considering that there are many types of cats, clever, polite, invisible …. and stray cats ….
In addition, as I see it, let’s face it, not everyone is equal, and as happens in everywhere, I think that in Russia also some Russians are more Russians than others.
For example, Mrs. Zakharova, as we saw in the first Saker interview published here on this blog, belongs to the group of Russians who have never left their country, staying there through thick and thin. I remember her saying almost tearfully, how, when he went to college, they went hungry. As I see it, it is more patriot who stays, continues to contribute to the progress of the country with his work and taxes or fight against foreign invaders, than those fleeing to save the life or material possessions.
It is clear that in the case of the Ukrainians, their life was in danger, but in the case of, for example, Russia in the 90s, most people did not fear for their life, but because of shortages product of the misery in what they were thrown by the dismantling of the Soviet state and its pillaging by foreign powers, especially proletarians, those who have never had more personal wealth than the strength of their work and who are those who always remain …. as happened in the Donbass…..
Perhaps, Mrs. Zakharova has been betrayed by her subconscious remembering this ….. In this case, would be her right, despìte the undiplomatic it could sound.
Then, as I understand, you were living in a Western country, had a serious accident that left you unable to fend by yourselves and bedrid, and you were denied the aid, civil-sanitary I guess, in that Western country. Then, you went ( you called ) to the Russian Embassy, meaning by what you say, that Russia at that time was occupied by Western powers or Russians sold to them, and you were denied the help too. Eventually, the Army of the Western country where you were residing appeared offering all its understanding about your helplessness and the neglect you were object by all other actors/authorities and offered you its “selfless help” till your complete recovery, intuiting that had to be a very long convalescence with a long and costly rehabilitation…..
Well, I can imagine that at that time you were too young and therefore too naive, but now that you are a mature adult, tell me, have you considered the possibility that these three West actors, the civil-sanitary authorities of the Western country where you were residing, the Russian embassy at a time when Russia was taken by Western powers, and the army of the Western country where you were living, they all, were playing their famous game of “good cop / bad cop” with you, with the end to recruit you for their ethernal anti – Russian crusade?
I do not know, but I would consider it ….After all, Russian is not an easy language to learn, and you, as sometimes you yourself have related about where you had to study, surely you know other languages also, and have college degree/-s…..
I once had a health problem that required hospitalization in an underdeveloped sub-Saharan African country, and still having a good travel insurance, I had to advance the cost of my treatment in a small basic clinic, and certainly, did not appeared from nowhere that country’s Army offering me neither understanding, nor help. Sound strange to you? Not to me, what sounds weird, very much indeed, is what happened to you, it is not normal at all.
Besides, as pointed by other commenters, any country in the West offers free medical assistance to its nationals abroad, since there is almost any West country which can offer free universal medical service even within its borders, as there is no Communist countries in the West any more.
You wrote: “For example, Mrs. Zakharova, as we saw in the first Saker interview published here on this blog, belongs to the group of Russians who have never left their country, staying there through thick and thin. ”
“I remember her saying almost tearfully, how, when (s)he went to college, they went hungry. ”
Maria Zakharova’s father was high ranking Soviet and Russian diplomat.
Unfortunately, the name of her mother remains a mystery, but we know a lot about her father.
She was born in 1974. So, she was in college in 1990-1995.
I don’t believe that diplomats in Moscow were going hungry at any time.
Zakharov Vladimir
1965-1971 – student in Leningrad State University, Oriental department
1971-1997 – USSR/Russian Federation Ministry of foreign affairs
1997-2001 – Culture, information and education councillor at Russian embassy in PRC (China)
2001-2004 – Head of SCO section of Asian Pacific cooperation Department of MFA
2004-2010 – Deputy Secretary General of Shanghai cooperation organization
2010-2012 – Principal councillor of Russian MFA
2012-2014 – Councillor in SCO Secretariat in Beijing
2014-2015 – Senior lecturer in HSE (Higher School of Economic)
Again about “hunger” that Maria Zakharova suffered from in college in Moscow, with her father being a diplomat and her mother being a Chinese toys collector.
Irina Zakharova is a mother of Maria Zakharova. She is a senior associate at the education center “Museon” on at Pushkin State Museum of Fine Arts.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/kindle/2013-12/06/content_17156751.htm
“From 14 March till 10 April 2008 Kazan (the Russian Federation) played host to the 12th mobile exhibition of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation “Children Paint Tales”.
http://www.sectsco.org/EN123/show.asp?id=66
Irina Zakharova, Ph.D. in History of Arts, graduated from the Moscow State Lomonosov University specializing in history and theory of arts. She works as senior scientific associate with the Moscow Pushkin Museum of Fine Arts. Several visits to China made her the owner of a unique collection of Chinese folk toys that she put on public display in 1987. She is the author of a number of books including “My Chinese Toy” (in Russian and Chinese), “Children’s Encyclopedia on China,” “Good-whish Symbols in China’s Applied and Decorative Arts,” and the architect of an international exhibition project “Children Draw Fairy Tales.”
http://www.vip-premier.ru/eng/inside.php?action=statia&id=6877&pid=599
Just look how sugary sweet with a picture of two kids dressed as angels, the US State department official Radio Svoboda (Freedom) promoting Irina Zakharova’s art school for children “Museon” in this 2006 promo:
http://www.svoboda.org/content/transcript/130000.html
and again here: Angels from Museon
http://www.svoboda.mobi/a/129877.html
You can see on the right a list of the most popular articles across svoboda.org : “Putin’s rating is overblown across Russia” “Putinism is a readiness to kill” “Defeated Putin twice” next to Ирина Захарова Zakharova’s name.
Here is the picture of Maria’s Zakharova’s mother (Ирина Владиславовна Захарова)
http://shelena099gmailcom.blogspot.ru/2013/05/blog-post_6738.html
And here are more pictures of Irina Zakharova. [First two rows]
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4&stype=image&lr=10129&noreask=1&source=wiz
Maria Zakharova’s mother has been also promoted intensively by radio Echo of Moscow, which is founded and 40% owned by Alexei Venediktov. On the radio Echo of Moscow she is called ” a regular participant of the program “Playground.”
So, it’ truly a family connection of the Zakharovs with a person who calls for anti-government revolt.
https://yandex.ru/search/?text=%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%20echo%20moscow&lr=10129
For a family of a spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to be connected to svoboda.org and the radio station “echo of moscow” is extremely alerting. Marina Zakharova should resign.
You wrote:
“I don’t believe that diplomats in Moscow were going hungry at any time”.
You have a point there, difficult to believe, but I do not have any reason to not believe her whatsoever either.
On all other data provided it seems she has had the opportunity to train quite well for the job, perhaps more opportunities than other people, as happens with the children of those who are the elites everywhere, Scott, but we can admit that she has the necessary preparation for the job she does and I see nothing in that data that shows she is a traitorous fifth columnist as you have sentenced without harboring the slightest doubt, IMO, in a crazy way.
Scott, thanks for your insights.
I think perhaps Zakharova was simply looking for a way to shame the vandals, to call them cowards. And that she does not really want them to take up arms.
As for Cat’s blog, and my comments in the previous thread, it’s worth noting that it is hosted by google, which is by now a wholly-owned subsidiary of this other evil empire over here. Also interesting is that when I do a google search, I get some results in Cyrillic now. Pfft, what am I going to do, I can’t read them!
I try to use other search engines, but it isn’t always easy.
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the link to Zakharova’s words is dead. Can’t find anything in English about what she said.
This needs more clarification.
I fixed this link. Try again.
I agree with you with regard to what she said about those who sought refuge in Russia as being wrong: it’s to Russia’s credit for allowing Donbass people to live in Russia.
However, I think you are wrong regarding the assistance you expected from your Government, the British Government – and doubtless many others – also treats their citizens this way, they are bureacrats after all. Also, they expect citizens to take out medical etc insurance when living in a foreign country.
Ralph,
I was fully insured.
So you mean that your insurance company didn’t pay up. Misdirected anger is a terrible thing.
I would seriously recommend that you retract this article. I think your own unfortunate experience has coloured your view.
I read the comments and see them in a very different light.
She is clearly addressing those people who are vandalizing the Russian embassy. She is definitely trying to shame them as people who think they are tough when it comes to egging an embassy. Hence she likens them to those who would support the Maidan Kiev regime and the Azov battalion, etc on social media but who didn’t dare go to the front line.
She is definitely not referring to people who wanted no part in the fighting and left Ukraine to avoid any part of it i.e. those whose never even posted otherwise on social media.
Dear, Misidrected Anger
You wrote: “Misdirected anger is a terrible thing”
Yes, Zakharova sounds very angry at the wrong people. She actually places the blame on the general population that did everything to avoid mobilization.
Zakharova thinks that they should go and kill each other.
Russians don’t want to kill each other, and that’s why people like you and Zakharova are angry.
Zakharova has the same attitude to Russians abroad, as her neo-liberal friends, like Venediktov. They love the West, but hate Russians who live there.
You wrote: “She is definitely not referring to people who wanted no part in the fighting”
I gather that you can’t read.
‘… you had the opportunity to prove your love of your country, your patriotism, when Ukraine had declared mobilization. How it ended, we all remember. Half of you hid in Russia with relatives, others – on social networks.”
She blames people for escaping from Ukraine to Russia, so they wouldn’t be forced to kill their neighbors for the benefit of the US and EU.
“Half of you hid in Russia with relatives”.. Imra Krat, an infamous neo-Nazi, was not one of them, was she? But she was seen near the Embassy.
You wrote: “I would seriously recommend that you retract this article.”
Thank you for your opinion. I’m actually researching for the next article. It’s absurd to have a close friend of Venediktov to be a spokesperson for Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation.
But it’s touching to see how you, in Virginia, are standing up for Zakharova. You just confirm that I am right about her.
She wasn’t referring to those from Donbass but the conscripted *thugs* who preferred to run away in Russia than facing a fight with Novorrosians : “Обращусь к тем, кто принимает и принимал участие в этих погромах”.
This having been made clear, I’ve got the impression that this non-polemic occults the most interesting part of that diplomatic communication : the government is being really pissed off by these actions.
Dear, La Luciole radioactive,
Well… As the officer of the Ministry of International Affairs Maria Zakharova should voice ONLY the official Russian government position. Instead, she opens her big ugly mouth and spills out her hatred to Russians living in Ukraine.
You wrote: “She wasn’t referring to those from Donbass but the conscripted *thugs* who preferred to run away in Russia than facing a fight with Novorrosians.”
Exactly! That’s what I have been saying here. Thank you! Finally.
Only…. Those who fled to Russia are not “thugs,” but normal peaceful Russian men. How can you call “thugs” all those men who doesn’t want to go and kill? Aren’t they opposite to “thugs”?
How very NATO of you to call peaceful normal Russian men “thugs.” !
You wrote: “the government is being really pissed off by these actions.”
That’s why everyone is so concerned. Not as much with the attacks on the Embassy, that’s expected when you deal with this fascist junta. People are pissed off by Zakharova’s statements. Please understand, that this is not the Russia’s government position. This is her personal opinion.
I posted here in my article a video with President Putin saying that it has been an official policy of Russia to accept all those conscripts who doesn’t want to serve in junta’s NATO foreign legion.
Zakharova equates those who fled to Russia to those who attack the Embassy. This is an information war on Russia that Zakharova has started with her statement on her FB that “Stalin was many times worse than Hitler.” Saying that it was justifiable for Hitler’s Germany to invade the Soviet Union.
Now she is saying that Russians fleeing the war are like junta’s mercenaries who are attacking the Embassy.
She speaks like a NATO troll.
That’s why she has to resign, and then and only then she can go on expressing her personal opinion in any way she wants.
She can’t use this government position for her personal hate.
Dear Scott,
I don’t know where the anger perspiring out of your writings come from, but it seems it prevents you from getting the point.
“кто принимает и принимал участие в этих погромах” can simply not refer to “normal peaceful Russian men”. “normal peaceful Russian men” didn’t participate and are not participating to any pogrom. “normal peaceful Russian men” have absolutely no reason to show any “patriotism” for Ukraine by fighting Novorossians. That’s the point.
Factually, European countries do not grant asylum to Ukrainian citizens, they are even very reluctant to open them touristic visas. Those wanting to avoid conscription have not much choice but fleeing in Russia, including Berkut burners, trying to hide who they are with more or less success. And those are the cowards she referred to – brave enough to burn disarmed Berkuts and civilians enclosed in a house of syndicates, not to confront the NR military.
Scott, I agree with you that Zakharova’s statement was unprofessional. It may also be seen as offensive to Russians.
However, I believe she is only referring to the (cowardly) “heroes of Ukraine”. She initially says: “Will appeal to those who took and still have been taking part in these pogroms.” Those are the people she is talking about.
I agree with you. I enjoy reading anything from Scott (this one too) except that maybe in this case, I wonder whether he mixed up things a bit. A comment by the Saker on this matter would be most welcomed mainly because he, as an ethnic Russian I suppose kind of understands better (than we do) the psychology behind the words, like for instance in this case.
I read Zakharova’s statement and “it is addressed to those who accept and take part in these pogroms”. I do not know who this “Cat” is but I get the impression that he/she is deliberately twisting Zakharova’s words. Scott, I value all your posts and I think you are a very good analyst, and I’m sorry that you had that traumatic experience. Please don’t let that cloud your good judgement.
I’m sorry you had such a horrible experience while most vulnerable. That you made it through speaks to your strength and resilience, and perhaps spiritual help. Your family in Russia must have suffered along with you.
Regarding Maria, I hope there has been some misunderstanding or mischief which now discredits her; but when cleared can restore her honor and integrity. If not, then she ought to resign.
Thanks, Dennis
We all have been watching her for a while. She came from nowhere. She has been heavily promoted by the neo-liberals in their media. We don’t trust people with whom she is personally involved.
Essentially, what I have been saying that we want our diplomats to follow the policies set up by the president Putin. Why is it so hard for them to follow his recommendations?
Tens of millions of Russians are under dire stress, and trying to survive.
We can’t allow the Russia’s diplomatic workers to come up on this high tribune and insult people just because they don’t want to serve junta. It’s absurd!
Her statement was a shock to many people. She should step down from her current position , because her personal opinions and her personal connections to the neo-liberals have started interfering with their job and her judgment.
PS: You, Dennis, may like to know that one of the military officers who took care of me was a devout Catholic of Polish descent. People try to remain human, no matter what fresh hell we live in.
NB: An investigative journalist named “Cat” is a highly respected journalist (or journalists) with 1.5 million subscribers. He supports President Putin, the Church, the military, and the Russia’s national security services. He supports Kadyrov and Chechnya, and all the Russian Muslims. He has a large community of volunteers supporting him and doing research for him.
I am sorry, guys, if I burst someone’s bubble, but I am going to report the truth. It doesn’t matter if you like it or not.
Scott if this comment explaining your reasons for suspicion was at the top of the article…..much better
Regarding responsibility of state ect, I have always been very independent. I expect my country to provide security for my country and that sort of thing. But if I go off on adventures of my own, I expect nothing from nobody. When I was flying, at one stage I took a sat-phone with me, to save the cost of a search if I went down and was unable to walk out. When I went into very remote regions, I never took an e-perb which seems to be the in thing now days. I would either come back or I wouldn’t.
Some time back, some clown sailing solo around the world runs into trouble and sets of the eperb. a couple of thousand miles of the coast and we gotta pay to find the fool and bring him/her back.
Your case was not like that, but I believe that a state must look after the citizens within its borders, and citizens that go to other places on state business.
Previous posts by Scott, I have enjoyed for the depth of research..
Sorry to say that I was disappointed by the lack of objectivity and misdirected anger in this article.
I think the meaning of Zakharova’s words have been twisted … and who is this ‘Cat’.
Dear Scott
I’m confused :”On Friday March 11th, after a week of violent attacks by Kiev junta mercenaries on the buildings of Russia’s diplomatic mission in Ukraine”
These people are not the junta mercenaries ? Maria Zakharova was not referring to them ? or there were russian-ukrainians taking part in those attacks ? if they were junta mercenaries – and the above quote is saying so – then what if these guys have left Ukraine for Russia asking for “help” just to avoid the conscription.Maybe Zakharova is talking about them,it is not hard to imagine such “heroes” who after the danger has passed away here they come again and scream the wolf,biting the hand of those who helped them.It is easy to drop with eggs on the Russian diplomatic mission than to go to fight on trenches,get wounded and die or worst,to get imprisoned by the real russian-ukrainians.
Whatever the case,the statement is confusing.
Rabel
Have to say I thought better of Zakharova, What I say and mean sometimes are very often misconstrued, however someone of her standing it’s a little harder to accept . Pictures to me can say a lot more than words sometimes and her with that creature to me says everything. So many of these spokespersons we’re lead to believe are on our side, but only tell us what they know we would like to hear. I think dress( what we’re wearing not necessarily a women’s ‘dress’) is part of the props. Look at what she wears in presence of the creature and what she wears in her interview on recent RT interview posted on The Saker.
I know we’re only human and error, as well as are misconstrued, but I’m with Scott it’s hard to take what she saying. I’ve liked what I’ve seen, heard from her so far and hope it’s not been a front but must admit I’ m leery. All this Cass Susstien, Bernays propaganda makes me suspicious of all these figures that our portrayed as our representatives.
I am with Maria on this one too.
I’m sure she said what she said out of anger and disgust, not of any desire to see Russians fighting Russians.
For what it’s worth, no country on this planet cares for its’ citizens when they are in trouble you described. Theory and laws are one thing, but the problem is no allocated funds for things like that, and of course – underpaid apparatchiks who enjoy wielding their power over others. Not Putin’s fault, and not Maria’s. Just a shitty world overflowing with shitty people of all colours.
A year ago I was in Crimea for new year 2015. As the year started, the wonderful western people of Visa and MasterCard decided to stop servicing Crimean banks (and haven’t resumed the service to this day). So I am there without a way to access MY WON MONEY, thanks to sanctions targetting Russia. Do you wanna guess how many Russians use these ATM cards? Hardly anyone.
So who are the sanctions actually hurting? Well, people like me, an Australian citizen, a bunch of African and Indian students and a guy from Kiev who landed there but couldn’t pay for a return flight. There’s the wisdon of any government for you. Just to remind you, Russia celebrates Orthodox Christmas about 2 weeks into January, and for those 2 weeks NO bank is open. Etc. Etc. Getting the picture?
In the end I phoned my friend and asked him to call the foreign affairs people to get me some money somehow, for him it was a local call cost. He did it, and I got an email from a Warsaw Embassy. You see, to these morons, Crimea is still Ukraine and since Australia has no embassy in Ukraine, they put me onto the Polish embassy. They made sure to repeat several times that their travel advice was “do not travel to Crimea” and they can’t help me and that I should ask the people I was visiting for enough money to buy a return ticket and get the hell outta there. In other words – I was supposed to beg someone for his 6 monthly pay (that’s the cost of a return flight) without being to send them the money back, since Visa, Mastercard and even SWIFT are blocked in Crimea. What sort of friend would that make me? Wonderful government, right?
They even went so far that Australian Federal Police phoned my friend to ask him why am I there, am I fighting in Donbass?
Not yet, boys… not yet. I’ll let you know.
I wonder what show those photographs next to Viktorow?
Is that a sign that she is a personal friend of him?
In one of them, she is on a walk with him, I imagine that in the path to the studies where she will participate in a program or an interview.
Perhaps President Putin is not always available also to being interviewed by Viktorov or any other element of the neoliberal opposition ? At his Annual Press Conference, do not get permission to enter the Kremlin room where it takes place and get the word to ask questions people like Ksenia Sobchak for DozhdTV and the like?
In the other, she is playing a joke on Viktorow, pretending she kills him.
Is not that also the attitude of Mr Putin, who uses with these opponents the same tone than with everybody else, precisely to not give them the utmost importance, because, in fact, they do not have?
As for those who always take the opportunity to demolish a woman by how is she dressed…. without comment ….. …. your misogyny stinks.
She is a young woman, wearing a very proper clothing, both when making official statements and in his spare time.
This attitude is the same as in the comments of some in the last few days trying to introduce Anissa Naouai as “traitorous and fifth columnist” in RT because she has guests in her program who speak in favor of the Empire and its lackeys……
Perhaps other conductors of RT programs do not? Yes, they do.
Are they accused of being 5th columnists? No, they are not.
Why? Because they are men…and wear suits? Period.
As I see it, there are some in this blog that can not face the idea of a woman in a prominent position in any area of society or life. They see it as a target to shoot down and, when the moment of lack of arguments come, they resort to the usual, what these women are wearing.
You, guys, should ask yourselves why you do this.
What is your story and what is your problem with women, fellas.
Dear Aleksandra
You wrote: “What is your story and what is your problem with women, fellas.”
I don’t see neo-cons, neo-liberals and neo- Nazis as men and women.
Take neo-Nazi Irma Krat “Irma Krat, the Ukrainian journalist, had her photo online posing prouldy with a bunch of nazi-armband-wearing extremists. It’s been deftly taken down now, but @Steiner1776 tweeted a link to the cached copy.”
http://progressivepress.com/blog-entry/dirty-war-ukraine
Take Evelyn Farkas
“…a twin sister of Victoria Nuland, an Assistant Secretary of State who is known for the trail of carnage she leaves behind wherever she visits a country or a region.
Farkas is called to be one of the “essential US officials in the continuing standoff with Russia over Ukraine.” In a testimony last year before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Farkas took a hard line on Russia, promising to deepen the “crisis’ that she and Nuland among others midwifed: “As the crisis deepens, our European allies and partners will look to the United States to demonstrate resolve and to reinforce solidarity across the continent.”
“The European and North American countries let these strong and smart women run their foreign policies in regard to the Eurasia, the Middle East, and Russia. And run they did! They have been running foreign policies like their own families: with the iron fist, xenophobic sociapathy, and biological hatred of everyone, who is not of their blood.
These women brought to the U.S. foreign policy their signature toxic portion of white trash bullying, lowbrow ignorance, and racist intolerance that turned the American international image into unmitigated disaster.”
/thank-you-russia-its-nice-to-see-what-mission-accomplished-really-means-scott-rant/
Female neo-liberals in Russia are exactly the same.
Have I said any word in defense of those women you name now?
No, of course.
And this Irma Krat that you have brought to our knowledge in your last posts, I had not heard of her ever, as I do not read Russian social networks, really I have not the time.
Interestingly, from these women, as odious as the men of the same ideology, you do not remark nothing about their dress, having enough to be quite criticised before resorting to that.
That is the matter Scott, on what I would like some you to think about.
I simply believe that some of you condemn too quickly and with too little consistent evidence respectable women who are on our side of the struggle as Mrs. Mariya Zakharova or Mrs. Anissa Naouai, which curiously, are not condemned by any woman of the few who frequent this site. ( And that will be less and less, according to how they are beated and treated by some ).
Dear, Aleksandra,
I don’t discriminate men and women in politics. I treat everyone equally bad, if they deserve it.
You wrote: “you do not remark nothing about their dress”
I am not a fashion editor. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that women wear the same things all the time.
Alexandra, I can see that as a woman you like clothes. Do you understand that this is a blog dedicated to wars and politics, and not to fashion?
Your have declared your affinity for women and their “dresses” several times already. Do you know that there are blogs that actually write about these sort of things?
It’s truly fatuous to blame me for not writing about women’s fashion.
I have posted a long comment adressing this one, where I do not think I have broken any rule of the moderation policy, but it seems that has not been allowed to pass.
Yes,I think that no men are critical on how a woman is dressed,in my opinion only women have a special eye for that.
Scott, my comments are not only directed at you, but to you and other commentators, as I indicated when I refer to “some of you”.
You wrote: “You have declared your affinity for women and their “dresses” several times already.
Not true, that will be in any case your own mind´s interpretation.
The only thing I did is “have declared my solidarity with some women who so quickly and with so little evidence are being questioned and categorized as traitors and fifth columnist” by you and some others.
You wrote: “Do you understand that this is a blog dedicated to wars and politics, and not to fashion?”
“Do you know that there are blogs that actually write about these sort of things?”
This questions must be adressed by you to that commentator above who was the one bringing the fashion issue to this discussion, taking advantage of your demolition of Mrs. Mariya Vladimirovna, to try to add another peyorative aspect aluding what this women wears and in company of whom.
So, it has not been because of my affinity for “dresses” or fashion, as you try to demostrate by twisting and misinterpreting what I said ( I wonder if on purpose with the aim of devaluate me as a valid interlocutor? ), but to complain, precisely, about someone bringing this issue to colaborate in the defamation of a woman, which is just the opposite .
You wrote: “It’s truly fatuous to blame me for not writing about women’s fashion”.
No, Scott, because it is not true that I am blaming you for that, and you know it.
What is “truly fatuous” is the way you defame and try to destroy some people´s credibility based only on comments on social networks and your supposedly qualities as an “investigative journalist”.
The FMRF is such sensible one as to not having placed as a spokeperson anyone who does not count with the absolute confidence of the President of the Russian Federation, being the Foreign Minister a permament member of the Security Council.
You are placing yourself way over the top, beware of altitude sickness.
You wrote: “What is “truly fatuous” is the way you defame and try to destroy some people´s credibility based only on comments on social networks…”
I can give you a very long list of famous and established people whose credibility was destroyed based only on their comments on social networks.
you wrote: “your supposedly qualities as an “investigative journalist”.
My article is a verbatim translation of an article written by a Russian investigative journalist called Cat, who has at least 1.5 million subscribers.
You wrote: “You are placing yourself way over the top, beware of altitude sickness.”
What country are you from? Are you telling me that people are not allowed to criticize government apparatchiks?
The position of the spokesperson for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should be a reflection of the government position, and not Madam Zakharova’s personal shortcomings. Let’s see: she was appointed in August 2015.
1. “I was astonished by and I took note of the statements of the spokesperson of the Russian Foreign Ministry on 4 February 2016 on the marking in Romania of the International Holocaust Victim Commemoration Day. The confusion of public events and pieces of public information is unfortunate and strange, in a message whose purpose is difficult to understand. We are disappointed that distorted information was provided to the spokesperson.
Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Romania
http://www.mae.ro/en/node/35759
2. ” we would expect from the Russian Federation is a constructive stand and contribution to solving the most important international problems rather than an inappropriate comment on the activity of the supreme legislative body of the Republic of Bulgaria by the Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson.”
http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/ministry/minister/responsibilities/
Zakharova’s personal style of speaking is inappropriate for a MFA spokesperson. She is putting the Russian diplomacy into the gutter, intentionally.
She has to resign.
Well, let´s see, which countries´complaints are you bringing here about Mrs. Mariya Zakharova´s speech style: Bulgaria and Romania.
Not precisely countries alineated with Russia in its Foregin Policy, but with the West.
As you say in the US, give me a break, Scott!
The speech style of Mrs. Mariya Zakharova may not be the most orthodox we have known in the diplomatic world, but for something someone have decided to place her there, I think.
First of all, his style is fresh and close to the people. As I see it, at a time of tense relations with the West, harassment and sanctions that affect the lives of the Russians, a person who could speak closer to the street language was necessary and, above all, closer to the new generations, having been the diplomatic world always a world of seniors, of seniors enough, I would say. Not surprisingly, of course, it is a very especial service that requires delicate arts that, although some may be innate, most certainly need time to be acquired.
Mrs. Mariya Zakharova is relatively young. Do you remember Mr. Putin´s style of speech a few years ago, more or less when he was the age of Mrs. Mariya Vladimirovna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ1yOHdPg2E
Is it that he has now the same style of speech? No, of course.
Could be Mrs. Mariya Zakharova allowed to have an error before being condemned as a traitor? I hope so.
For the question you asked about my home country, I do not think it is at all a relevant information here. You can think what you want.
As you can see, my name is Russian, which does not mean much, iniatially, taking into account the Russian diaspora throughout the centuries. Yours is an Anglo -American name and I guess you do not give either the utmost importance to the issue, since you are presenting yourself here as Russian, fighting for Russia´s interest, but in this case trying to demolish the spokeswoman of the Foreign Minister of the RF.
For your other question, Are you telling me that people are not allowed to criticize government apparatchiks?
No I am not, the government apparatchiks are to be and must be criticized, when it is due doing so, and this is one of the reasons why Mrs. Mariya Zakharova and Mr. Putin are available to be interviewed by Mr. Viktorov, German press or whoever.
What is not to be criticized, in a serious blog about wars and politics is the size and aspect of the mouth of the spokeperson of the Foreign Minister of the RF, Scott.
Are they accused of being 5th columnists? No, they are not.
Why? Because they are men…and wear suits? Period.
There are women presenters on RT other than Naouai, who have not attracted such accusations. None of these women presenters are men, and none of them wear suits.
Why you can’t see Maria was talking about the pro-Maidan crowd is beyond me.
You fell through the ceilling with this one.
Dear, Michel van Dijk:
“Why you can’t see Maria was talking about the pro-Maidan crowd is beyond me.”
Pro-Maidan crowd didn’t go to Russia to avoid taking part in so called “Anti Terrorists operations” against Russians in Donbass.
Pro-Maidan crown stayed in Ukraine and went on killing thousands of civilians. Some of them went to “ATO” multiple times and were awarded by the NATO commanders.
Zakharova blames Russians for not wanting to kill other Russians. This neo-liberal is an intimate friend of Venediktov, who openly calls for “Maidan” in Russia, for the NATO invasion, for partition of Russia and ethnic cleansing of Russians. “ATO” in Ukraine is the ethnic cleansing of Russians.
Zakharova is a part of this neo-liberal filth and she has just blew off her cover.
http://ivan-ushenin.livejournal.com/361528.html
“You fell through the ceilling with this one.”
I don’t know what this means. It’s not a real expression in English.
Scott: Zakharova: Maybe she should be invited onto Crosstalk to be grilled by Peter Lavelle et al or are they also 5th columnists also? She tried to get into the psyche of those she was condemning in order to play devil’s advocate and she obviously was maladroit at it. It is a tricky maneuver and requires a quick sarcastic mind which this woman does not have. Jeez, she even teared up during an interview with Noussaiou on RT upon contemplating a possible WWIII. At the time, I thought very uncharitably of me—” Did she get the job because Putin has a soft spot in his heart for her?” I know, I know: thunderous condemnation will follow that remark. But her remarks supposedly in rebuke to the Kiev fascists do not prove malevolence necessarily but since you are more in tune with Russian media types , I will keep a sharper eye on her.
You’re the only one with egg on your face Scott. Can’t believe the mental gymnastics you have to come up with to make your argument here. Everybody knows exactly what she meant. You sound like an ex with a personal grudge twisting innocuous things into some kind of moral outrage.
As others on here, I’ve always appreciated your posts, but you’re way off on this one.
Krimvash
What can I tell you in addition to what I have already said?
1. You wrote: Can’t believe the mental gymnastics you have to come up with to make your argument here.”
You have not read my article, Otherwise you would see that my article is an verbatim translation of an article written by a famous Russian investigative journalist name Cat. He has 1.5 million subscribers, who also act as his research assistance team.
You also attack me personally rather than to use facts, which you don’t have.
There is, however, a simple fact that a journalist, a supporter of president Putin, has to hide behind an alias to avoid to be killed. This should tell you what kind of war is going on in Russia now.
2. You wrote: “You sound like an ex with a personal grudge twisting innocuous things into some kind of moral outrage. ”
Jeez… No.. That’s not it at all…
I am surprised how this middle aged woman with brush “white trash” manners has a bizarre sexual hold on your mental capacities.
Look at her mother picture. Have you notice a lovely red glow in her mother’s eyes? In a couple of years madam Zakharova will look exactly like her mother.
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%20%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4&noreask=1&img_url=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-pFqwGqM0O60%2FUaHhOfugyzI%2FAAAAAAAACHA%2FR_Ot4C3suA4%2Fs1600%2F%25D0%259D%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BB%25D1%258F%2B%25D0%259D%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B4%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BB%25D0%25B0%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B4%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%2B020.jpg&pos=7&rpt=simage&lr=10129
Madam Zakharova is a troll of Medvedev -Arkady Dvorkovich- HSE – Central bank – Khodorkovsky- Soros – the US DoS – the EU
It’s about removing them from power during these upcoming elections.
Obviously you don’t know that there is a war of the West on Russia now. There is also a war inside the country and inside its government between president Putin and other Russian patriots and pro West neo-liberals, who are seeking to bring NATO intervention into the country in order to destroy and dismember Russia.
They (the West + Israel) don’t have time. They are in a hurry. War is everywhere. And this war is against all of us.
Look at this image of instead-of-Brazilians demonstrating against the president of Brazil.
https://russian.rt.com/article/153411
We all have to understand that if they win, we will lose everything including our lives. They will kill us, and then they will kill our children. Just like they did in Soviet Russia, when Lenin and bloody junta of Bolsheviks murdered millions of adults. Krupskaya, Lenin’s wife, sent hundreds of thousands of orphaned children into death camps and called them “retards.” Those Russian children had no parents to protect them.
Remember my word, they will also come after your countries, and they will do the same with you and your children. Only now they are coming with the liberal and open market ideologies. But it’s all the same.
All we have to do it to stand by our elected governments and for our nation interests.
We people have no other protection from “them,” but our national governments and law enforcement, if they are gone, nothing will protect us.
It’s beyond me, how the unelected officer of the Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs can question the right of the ALL Russian people to return back home to Russia? How the officer of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, can suggest that it was a patriotic duty of Russian people living in Ukraine to go and kill other Russian people living in Ukraine. How dare this woman to chastise Russians who don’t want to kill Russians and prefer to move to Russia to avoid being drafted by the NATO junta?
While I do agree with you 100% that the way the Russian diplomatic mission “take care” (or rather, do not) of Russian nationals is shameful, I think that you are misreading Zakharova. When she said :Do you consider yourself to be patriots of Ukraine? she clearly pointed out at the “svidomyi” crowd, those with the “vishivankas”, the Bandera-fanboys. She did NOT speak of the Russians in the Ukraine or of the Ukraininans who feel Russians, or of the Ukrainians who fled to Russia. She refers to the type of Ukroshit who participates in anti-Russian pogroms in the Ukraine and then travels to Russia for personal reasons and “temporarily forget” that they are visiting their “enemy’s lair”.
I don’t believe that she insulted anybody or that she did not follow the President’s policies. If she had, she would have been fired.
But where I do agree with you 1000% is that Russian diplomats abroad are mostly useless and callous towards their fellow Russians. God willing, that will change for the better with time.
Hugs,
The Saker
I respectfully disagree, boss, about madam Zakharova.
I guess what’s missing here is the content of madam Zakharova’s FaceBook “opinions” that are insulting to all the Russian people, her praise for Venediktov and Co., and her parents’ neo-liberal clout.
Just the fact that people are questioning her motives, tells us that she is not right for the MFA spokesperson position. Instead of professionally delivering official materials to the attention of international community, she is undermining the Russia’s diplomacy with her trash talk. She is the neo-liberal agent provocateur. She is a Strelkov-Girkin of diplomacy. She has to resign.
The discussion is one of the more interesting ones that I have read. Zakharova’s statement is at least careless for someone in the Foreign Ministry, whatever literal interpretation might be placed on it.
I respectfully disagree, boss, about madam Zakharova.
Great!
And that makes for an interesting an lively discussion:-)
Besides, I am not megalomaniacal enough to imagine that I cannot be 100% wrong.
So continue to keep me on my toes.
Hugs,
The Saker
Thank you, Scott, for your analyses, and also for your wonderful series on Russian cities.
It is highly interesting to read about suspicions concerning figureheads like Maria Zakharova. Especially if those suspicions are brought up by Russians themselves who are obviously much more knowledgeable than outsiders, however informed the latter may be.
For me it is only possible to judge the facts that are laid before us. In that case the text of the announcement.
I have read the complete statement of Maria Zakharova (“Attacks on Russian diplomatic and consulate missions in Ukraine”) on the link that you provided. I didn’t read the original Russian version, but the official English translation.
To sum it up beforehand, for me personally it is impossible to interpret those words in the way you interpreted them. Here is why:
It seems obvious to me that the text is talking about those “who committed outrageous acts against Russian diplomatic and consolate missions”, and about those “aggressive thugs” only.
The words that you find so revealing (“chance to prove their love for their motherland… when Ukraine launched mobilisation … hid away at their relatives’ in Russia … etc.) are at the end of a paragraph which begins with the words “I would like to address those who took part and is taking part in those pogroms”.
That is unambiguous. She is talking to those who took part in those pogroms. Did you take part in those “pogroms”? – No? – Then the recommendation to prove your love for your homeland “during mobilisation”, is not addressed to you. Nor is it addressed to those who refuse to fight their Russian brothers.
It is addressed to those cowards who only act out their aggression if they feel backed by the crowd, and when there is no resistance to be expected. It is like saying “If you are that kind of brave heroes that you pretend to be, then why don’t you fight the real fight?”.
Her words are a (more or less) diplomatic way of telling those people that in fact they are nothing but scum.
Nowhere in these words can I read what you are reading.
Let me be clear, that is not to say that you are wrong with your suspicions. I am not defending Ms. Zakharova. I really don’t know. So far, I have divergent impressions on her. I think she is smart (enough), I did like her eloquent reaction to the provocative questions of some of the journalists. I certainly don’t like her excessive use of Facebook to make her opinion public, and I think that she mixes her personal opinion with official statements far too much.
But in this specific case you have not yet proven your point, at least as far as I am concerned.
You wrote: “I didn’t read the original Russian version, but the official English translation.”
Maybe something got lost in translation?
She equates mercenaries storming embassies with refugees fleeing the war. She mixes those people together like they are the same. It’s a method of information war to claim that there is no black and white, evil and good. She echoes those who claim that neo-fascists burning and killing 300 people in Odessa on May 2nd 2014 were the “real victims.”
You wrote: “But in this specific case you have not yet proven your point, at least as far as I am concerned.”
My aim isn’t to make you admit that I am right in regard to madam zakharova, or anything else at this juncture. My aim is to present English speaking public with pieces of puzzle, that otherwise hidden due to the language barrier.
I understand that people in the Western countries don’t see the neo-liberals as treacherous species.
For us these people are mortal enemies. They have sworn to kill us all, and to destroy our country. Just read the statements these people made at the “Vilnius Russia Forum” last week. These people are fascists. They are not just people with different opinions. They are our deadly enemies. Zakharova is a part of this crowd. I have provided here plenty of evidence of this.
Her connection to neo-liberals, to those sworn enemies of Russia, is provable truth. It’s not an exercise in logic. It’s factual provable truth.
Despite of you not being convinced, she managed to convinced many people. She disrespected our victory over Hitler’s Germany, and disrespected President Putin’s policy to welcome war refugees from Ukraine.
Zakharova blew off her cover. These her statements made people looked into her background. Keep in mind, people have started asking questions after she made her statements, not before.
Everyone sees now that she is a neo-liberal shill. There is nothing she or anyone else can do to undo this.
I see no sign in her of a “neo-liberal shill”. She is a good daughter of the Orthodox Church. (She mentioned this somewhere, in an old interview, a year or two ago.)
I think these accusations are going too far… based on an over-interpreted little statement.
“I certainly don’t like her excessive use of Facebook to make her opinion public, and I think that she mixes her personal opinion with official statements far too much.”
My view exactly.
I think she should use social media more sparingly, keep close to the official position, and language-wise, stick to “officialese”.
And never forget that the world scrutinises her every word.
I think has been a most enlightening topic. Scott has presented a case that I find to be compelling.
We know that such 5th columns exist in other countries, all countries, struggling against the oppression that has been normal service for so long. As an Indian, I can relate to the struggles of the Russian people to free themselves from deadly outside influence that seeks only to harm, subjugate and destroy. This type of information gives us a look behind the curtain, to see the war that is taking place that will never be reported by news media, even RT.
Thank you Scott, for your efforts to inform us in the English speaking world.
Thanks, to Student, and to everyone who commented.
I see what’s going on.
I have realized that there is a gap in communication here.
Behavior patterns, statements, connections, key words, pointers, and sound bites tell us about obvious deadly enemy; at the same time all of these is not even computing for your brilliant western minds. It’s sort of like talking to cats in canine language.
I have started putting together a couple of articles with general information:
1. The neo-liberal Western plans about Russia, or Is there Life After Putin? [Spoiler alert: no.]
2. Russia’s ideology of patriotism and religion means intolerance to any artificial ideologies (liberalism, communism, democracy, socialism, nationalism, fascism, civil rights, feminism etc.) All these ideologies are absolutely the same at their core. They have been invented to divide people. To break society into groups. To make people march around with flags of different colors and to kill each other for those false ideas and flags, to murder each other for nothing.
As an example, take Persian society, which is religious, conservative, stable, civil, friendly, and immensely successful in education, science and economy. The society of absolutely free education and medical care, without any communist/socialist ideas. Yes, you don’t need to haul around a red flag to get your teeth fixed for free. The society which truly takes care of its people.
To achieve harmony in society we have to expel all those seeking to break Russia’s society apart with ideologies. There is no punitive apparatus to do this job; there is no KGB, unfortunately. It’s being done by people themselves.
My article about madam Zakharova, which is a translation of someone else’s article, seeks to get rid of this neo-liberal from the MFA. Just like last week there was a powerful silent protest against a movie made by a Ukrainian actor/producer who claimed that he gives millions of $$ made in “Rushka” to ATO. The Ministry of Culture refused to ban this movie. Guess what? They sold two dozen out of several 1000s of tickets.
Makes me very proud.
Russia’s ideology of patriotism and religion means intolerance to any artificial ideologies (liberalism, communism, democracy, socialism, nationalism, fascism, civil rights, feminism etc.
So, we finally can discover what your ideology is, although you were already asked before about this by someone, but apparently, this reader, a woman, was not worthy of response for you. Too much Communist ….or perhaps you consider her too much feminist … to be polite to her…..
Anyway, we see that you are not sparing all ideologies, since you yourself stated that yours is one too, but all of them product of the part of the evolution of humanity corresponding to Modernity.
As you would spare all the ideologies mentioned above, we can understand that what is proposed is a return to feudal times of Absolute Monarchy and Aristocracy, right?
In a context like that we can imagine in what place you see yourself, certainly not amongst serfs living like rats surrounded by misery and disease and moreover delivering the few they have to the aristocratic feudal lord or the absolut monarch for them to live “royally”. It could not be otherwise.
And we can imagine this because we can read in your twitter account, @Scott’s Humor, that you like collecting antiques …..( social networking is so, that people talk too much, all the time, and by the mouth the fish dies. ):
Scott’s Humor @ScottsHumor 15 feb.
.@TheInescapeable You know I collect antiques. When I see something like these rugs, I feel like dropping everything and going antiquing
That being so, why try to prove that Mrs. Mariya Zakharova is a traitorous neoliberal 5th columnist adding as a proof of it that her mother likes collecting Chinese miniatures?
With this premises, no wonder you see traitors 5th columnists everywhere, since all supporters of all ideologies that you would spare are, now we see, therefore, traitors 5th columnists, traitors because they deviate you from your impossible project, traitors because the privileges they some could enjoy today you believe only you and some more like you deserve.
And, probably, that is the source of that misdirected anger some, not so few, readers have detected, one can guess.
Since your project of returning to times of kings, princes and princesses is impossible, be careful, dear Scott, not to drown in your own bile.
Aleksandra, you confuse “anger” with fairness and diligence.
1. You wrote: “So, we finally can discover what your ideology is”
Sorry, you are right. I have translated it wrong. I should write “National Idea,” instead of “ideology.” My apology.
According to the Constitution of Russia Article 13″ “1. In the Russian Federation ideological diversity is recognized. 2. No ideology may be established as state or obligatory.”
Конституция РФ, Статья 13
1. В Российской Федерации признается идеологическое многообразие.
2. Никакая идеология не может устанавливаться в качестве государственной или обязательной.
On February 6, 2016 President Putin said: “патриотизм – «это и есть национальная идея»” Patriotism is our national idea.
http://tass.ru/politika/2636647
Neo-liberals reject patriotism in favor of foreign interests. It means they fight against the Russian national idea.
2. You wrote: “dear Scott, not to drown in your own bile”
Don’t you worry, I can swim.
3. You wrote: “Mrs. Mariya Zakharova is a traitorous neoliberal 5th columnist adding as a proof of it that her mother likes collecting Chinese miniatures?”
No, she is not a traitor for collecting Chinese artifacts, but for being an integral part of the 5th column. I have provided prove of this above.
Madam Zahkarova has lied about going hungry in her interview, while her wealthy parents work for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and lived in China. Her mother’s collection, back in 90s was worth at least a quarter of a million dollars from what I can see. Maybe more.
I had friends who worked as diplomats. None of them went anywhere close to be hungry in the 90s. That makes me believe that your Zakharova is a public opinion manipulator.
You said: …your Zakharova….
My Zakharova she is not, just trying to prove your own inconsistency.
And so you can check it and since you speak of fairness, I think so unfair that the product of the diligence or Mrs. Mariya Zakharova´s mother or her husband´s allow her collecting superfluous things as Chinese miniatures as that your diligence allow you collecting carpets or whatever luxuries you could like.
Or do you consider that you are more diligent than people who work 12 or 14 hours in two or three jobs to then not get even meet ends?
Look, when in a society there are people who can afford luxuries so superfuous as collecting expensive caprices, something goes badly wrong. Because when fairness really happens, wealth is actually well distributed ( something that elites of different sign alternating in power throughout History have taken great pains to avoid ) and so there is not enough for anyone to waste anything in collections.
You said: I had friends who worked as diplomats. None of them went anywhere close to be hungry in the 90s.
And I have never denied that. If you read my comments, I also, like you, doubted that the daughter of a diplomatic may have starving in 90s or whenever.
However, having diplomats as friends is not available to anyone, mostly because diplomats do not move around the circles of the common people.
Therefore, I will say you that Mrs. Mariya Zakharova seems to me as Neo-liberal as you could be. The point I am defending here is that, at this moment and with the information already available, I will not be able to say which of you, both, could work for more the enemies of the people. For now, she is working as official of the Kremlin in the Russian Federation, while you are working in the Anglo- American West where it seems things are not going so bad for you.
You wrote: According to the Constitution of Russia Article 13″ “1. In the Russian Federation ideological diversity is recognized
And I guess that this imply that not only ideological diversity is recognized but also respected.
See, Scott, despite of you citing several articles of the current Russian Constitution plus several statements of Mr. Putin, the way you talk on other ideologies or you treat people of other ideologies, says to me that the model of society you are seeking is not precisely the same Mr. Putin is seeking, to put it simply .
That´s the issue, Scott.
P.S: If you like carpets the best are in Iran no doubt ( do not go excited, I´ve just only seen them, can not afford to buy them, nor have the house one would need to put this kind of carpets ). Now, I would wish you were able to go antiquiting in Iran, for carpets or whatever, and have the courage to do so in the dog days of summer wearing a black chador closed to the eyes over all your own clothes and in this way being able to get you credit card to make your deal in chez le tapis vendeur or wherever ( plus take into account that from time to time you, even being a man, will need to go to the bathroon, this way, with the chador, also ), more than anything to know the drawbacks, not only the advantages, they have some people today in the Iranian society. And be careful not daring singing or dancing out there, which I understood is not allowed. With this, I am not saying I do not appreciate Iranian society, which I do, and seems to me really charming and admirable, and I recognize all the qualities you name, but things, my friend, are far from the Shangri-La you suggest for most of the population, as in everywhere else.
These comments are getting very personal and attacking towards the author. Moderation policy states:
2 ) All comments have to be impeccably courteous to me, the blog’s author, moderators, any guest author and all the other commentators. Absolutely no ad hominems or personal attacks.
Several comments have been personally attacking the author rather than just focusing on that you beg to differ about Maria Zakharova. Please end this conversation now – it is going round in circles. You comment under different names here – please stick to one identity. Thanks. Mod on Duty.
Thank you, Scott, for taking the time to answer our questions. I am the “Anonymous” who posted on the 14th at 6:08pm UTC. (Gave myself a name this time.)
This thread is so interesting because of its implicit topic: “Who are the traitors in our midst, and how do we recognise them?” This is a fascinating question, probably one of the most decisive questions throughout Russian history. Correct me if I am mistaken.
I am well aware that the so called (neo-) liberals are identified as the main enemies by Russian patriots. I have watched and read numerous discussions by S.Glazyev, N.Starikov, E.Fedorov, the Saker, A.Dugin and others. Russia apparently is a country with enormous intellectual capabilities, and all these people are making a powerful impression.
Basically, you are saying what they say – that Russia’s enemies are out to destroy the country. The question of “Who is the traitor?” is always the central question in these discussions.
It’s easy to understand that persons like B.Yeltsin, M.Gessen, Khodorkovsky or G.Kasparov are clearly perceived as destructive elements, and as traitors to the “true Russian cause”.
But things are not always that clear cut. Let’s look at a person like Mr. Strelkov, for example. Everybody seems to have a different opinion about this man. Is he really just an ultraconservative, a tsarist fanatic who is (was) acting out of his own impulse? Or did he act in someone else’s interests? If yes, then whose? What were his aims? Who removed him? All that remains in the dark. Even here on this website he was – nearly unanimously – hailed like a Messiah. And now? At the moment, nobody talks about him. But let’s not forget, for the things that happened in Donbass, his actions were of enormous consequences, and the outcome of all that is still open.
Or the director of Russia’s central bank. Many people seem to think that she is definitely acting against the interests of the Russian people, and they demand her resignation. But others say that actually she is doing the right things considering Russia’s long-term economic development. If she is clearly acting against Russia’s interests, then why is Mr. Putin defending her? (It is apparent that he identifies the economic situation as maybe the most urgent of Russia’s problems, so he must be very interested in that!)
You see what I mean? Most people are neither competent enough to answer these questions for themselves, nor do they have the necessary information to make up a sound opinion of their own. This applies to people inside Russia, and all the more to us who are outside.
I want to repeat: most people on this planet do not possess the necessary information to make up a sound opinion on the big questions. Why did Mr. Putin suddenly decide to pull Russian planes out of Syria? Now, is he a traitor to his own cause? Hardly. The thing is, we just don’t know, and we can’t know because we don’t have the information that led to his decision. Nobody else has all the information he has, and there is no way anybody else can get that information. Maybe part of it but never, all.
So, all we can do is guess. I always find it entertaining when people in the comment sections write, Putin should do this, Putin must do that. How naive.
– As far as it concerns Madame Zakharova, I doubt that she is really such an important figure that we should care about her. Of course, she is highly visible. But she is just a messenger. She does not decide anything, does she? I wonder if you really have to worry about her that much, and whether her mouth is ugly or beautiful.
As I said, I have some reservations about her myself. But, after all, she is Mr. Lavrov’s spokeswoman. Don’t we have to assume that she is doing her job to his satisfaction?
You are saying that her connections to the neo-liberals are provable true. Maybe. But then, having connections does not automatically mean that she is one of them, does it? Doesn’t Mr. Putin himself talk to all the sides? Doesn’t he have good personal connections to Mr. Medvedev who is regarded as a part of the liberal block? And didn’t he even honour Mr. Yeltsin’s legacy who is considered by practically all patriotic Russians as an enemy of state?
You see, I am playing devil’s advocate. I think I understand you very well, and I think you are also trying to tell us that not everything can be explained in a simple, rational way. I can relate to that.
You said that you have “started putting together a couple of articles with general information” on these items, but I was unable to identify/find any of them. Maybe you could provide some links? Thank you. –
That is the case, strongly agree with you, and in that sense I made my comments too.
In addition, this madness of every day appearing people belonging to the 5th column, and even the 6th, I think do not benefit at all the interests of the Russian Federation, on the contrary, for me it has the same effect as the issue of the “nanny” that people have fear of each other and break the trust and unity not only within the government but within the entire nation.
With this I do not mean that Russia is not being beset by various internal and external agents and there are no traitors in government, but certainly, as you target, who better know it is Mr. Putin and his most close associates, some of them not in vain in charge of internal and external security.
It seems to me that with this incessant nomination of new traitors in government every day, the mood pursued is to reach at one point a state like that preceding the Great Purges that took place in the Soviet Nomenklatura. Because, you all, tell me, if watching this situation, with Russia being increasingly harassed by enemies and doomed to war on several fronts, plus this remark of traitors everywhere, someone could get even minimally to understand what might be the mood of the Soviet leaders who decided those purges.
It is as if, not being able to beat Russia on the battlefield, some were trying to beat her by self-immolation. And what better way to go crazy and self-inmolate than starting seeing enemies everywhere, as happened in the past.
Fortunately for all, Russian society through enormous suffering throughout history, has learned, in the cruelest way, some lessons, and there are some people in charge of the Russian Federation now, like Mr. Putin, who does not allow themselves letting be carried for this accuser maelstrom.
That’s why, I guess, regardless of the personal friends each one could have, he keeps some people in some relevant positions.
Because, if it were for dangeruos liaisons, Mr. Surkov, who is a trusted advisor to Mr Putin, I have understood that is a personal friend of Mr. Khodorkovsky, having worked both he himself and his wife with him in the past, and even I have understood that he took care of the oligarch´s children when he was arrested or had to leave the country. But, at the same time, he is also a close friend of Ramzam Kadyrov ….
Therefore, I assume that Mr. Putin can admit that everyone can be friend of whoever would like, while demonstrating its job is working on the interests of the nation.
Dear, •gvp•
Thank you for your comments and questions.
1. You wrote: “started putting together a couple of articles with general information” on these items, but I was unable to identify/find any of them. Maybe you could provide some links?”
I have “started putting them together” means I am still writing them. The first article with the outline of the Western plans for Russia should be posted this week. Please, come back and check.
2. “Even here on this website he was – nearly unanimously – hailed like a Messiah.”
The aim of the Saker, our authors, myself and many of our readers and commentators is to drill information as deep as we can until we discover the truth. We are not perfect, and we don’t have all the data. The whole performance from Maidan to Strelkov was very well staged. It was very believable. The Strelkov-Girkin tasks were to implicate the Russian government in his actions, and after that he was supposed to surrender all of Donbass to be ethnically cleansed by the junta. He had started with Slavyansk, then Mariupol, then some more villages. He was getting ready to surrender Donetsk, when he and his people were removed by Donetsk people; his Western masters lost their narration, and things started developing against their plans.
I suspect that huge loses of Ukrainian army in Donbass were due to the illusion of NATO and the US Embassy that their people were still running the show, and that those people were supposed to surrender. There are rumors that some people got paid millions of dollars to surrender towns and villages. That’s why some people end up dead.
In regard to treating someone as a Messiah: “you shall not make yourself an idol.”
3. You wrote: “But things are not always that clear cut. Let’s look at a person like Mr. Strelkov, for example.”
LOL. This remands me a Russian joke based on a social media comment left in 2014 by a troll with the mil. IP in Virginia. He forgot to re-log between accounts and wrote” Things are not that clear cut here. I’m a daughter of a military officer in Crimea…” Meanwhile he had an English male name for his account. Now, people who write ‘things are not that clear cut” are being called “daughters of a military officer.”
I would say that things are very clear cut. There are allies and enemies, good and evil, black and white.
There is the Constitution and the President. There are also military rules and regulations, and Russia’s military doctrine. There are criminal and civil laws. And there are traditions of the Russian Orthodox Church, and the traditions of Islam. Our President says that Russia is a nation of law. Russian national idea is patriotism, the Church and the rule of law.
When Strelkov-Girkin, being a citizen of Russia, went to a neighboring state and started an armed operation he must have violated some laws. He claimed to be a military officer of the Russian army and a secret service agent. Both of these his statements, so far, are without any merit.
When Strelkov appeared out of thin air, broke into some police station and took their weapons, with just a crowbar as he claimed, I thought it was bizarre and alarming. When he declared himself to be a “Russian secret service agent, ” I instantly knew he was phony. He acted in the interest of NATO and junta by inciting this armed operations in Donbass. He assisted the West in creating conditions to start the economic and political war against Russia. Now we know that there was the “third force” that was shooting at the Ukrainian military and shooting at the Donbass people at the same time. Just like there was the third force on Maidan that was shooting demonstrators and the Berkut officers. Lots of data have been collected about their activities.
The West with junta staged a huge bloody spectacle, and Strelkov-Girkin was their main “hero.”
There are no legal or ethical ambivalence here. This person should be prosecuted by the Russian law enforcement. An investigation should reveal his connections to the foreign governments.
4. You wrote: “As far as it concerns Madame Zakharova, I doubt that she is really such an important figure that we should care about her.”
Not yet, but she is clearly being built up to appoint her for some much higher position, or to make her a political figure.
She is the only Russian diplomat who publicly expressed toxic contempt for the Russian history and Russian people. She isn’t a patriot at all. She should be advised to find some other nation that she feels more of an affinity to.
Thank you, Scott, for your elaborate answer. I chose Strelkov and Nabiullina only as examples: Even well informed people obviously did not agree on whether they could be trusted or not. That’s what I referred to as “not clear cut”.
You have an amazing story about Strelkov to tell. If true this is certainly explosive news. As you sound very sure of what you are saying, I trust you can prove your version?
Just out of curiosity, and because it’s not “clear cut” to me: when you say that “there are allies and enemies, good and evil, black and white”, do you actually mean that there is nothing in between?
“In the battle between Good and Evil, a neutral fights on the side of Evil.”
His eminence Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk
http://www.hilarion.ru/en/
“No matter what provokes it, anger blinds the soul’s eyes, preventing it from seeing the Sun of Righteousness.”
+ St. John Cassian, The Philokalia: The Complete Text (Vol. 1), “On the Eight Vices: On Anger”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqNBV943KWA
Revelation Chapter 3
14 “And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;”
15 “I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.”
16 “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
17 “Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:”
Also, speaking of internal and external agents of opposition, it would be interesting if someone could write an article or provide a link about the Russian diaspora, especially people belonging to royalty and nobility. Who they were and who they are currently, in what environments they were moving in the past and move nowadays, and what interests they are supporting in the countries where they have settled.
As I have understood, these people, monarchies and nobility, always remains faithful to their class group and have the same interests, except for the typical black sheep in every family there, but overall so that is.
Following the conflict in the Donbass, we have been able to know where the largest representation of the Ukrainian diaspora is, at that time, I understand that in Canada, and also we have been able to know, through some links provided by some commentators here, what their story is, what their networks are and how they overlap between them, and what is and has always been their final goal, a Banderist Ukraine like the one we have before our eyes right now.
Well, I’ve done my own research on the Russian diaspora, which now is a subject that interests me a lot (and in which, I realize now, no one has repaired), and if we submit only to Wikipedia, even accepting that there may be biases, one finds very interesting things.
In the following link on the Russian diaspora in general, we can see that things during the Czarist Era were also not a Shangri-La, especially for some ethnic / social groups.
We can also find background on what could well be the first false flag attack of the twentieth century by Narodnaya Volya (People’s Will), with which our theory ( mine included ) on that the false flag attack was invented by Western secret services, CIA / Gladio / Mossad, is a little disrupted, because we see that some Russians also used this tactics of destabilization to face part of the population against another. Although well thought out, it could also be that the current followers of this sector of Russians and Western secret services are today the same people after all, with what our theory about the patronage of the false flag attack become cohesive again. The events of which I am talking you could find them in the section “First Wave”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Americans
The entire link, hyperlinks and sublinks are all very interesting, but to make the story short, just wanted to bring your attention to something I have taken from the section the “Second Wave”, following the hyperlink, “White Emigré”, where, in the section “Organizations and activities” you can find the hyperlink to NTS, what would be an ideology selfdefined as antiideology or no longer an ideology, and which, despite disguised under an halo of humanism declaring themselves keen on a so called “solidarism” ( depending with whom ) and available for “some social rights” ( you might to know which and for whom ), since its supporters pursue as essential objective the eradication of all Communists / Bolsheviks, for me, falls squarely and without equivocation in the classification of Fascio, pure and simple.
Attention to the flag with the Trizub:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Alliance_of_Russian_Solidarists
From what I have read till now about this White Emigré people, except for the few groups, Smenovekhovts and Mladorossi, who were in favor of the reconciliation with the Communists/Bolsheviks, from the youth groups of scouts to all the social network of this White Emigrés, contains many characteristics similar to those of the Ukrainian diaspora who now leads and support the people with the flag with the Trizub we can see now in the Ukraine and, surprisingly enough, even in other unexpected countries of the European geography, waving free out there, without any dissimulation.
I wonder if someone in the Russian Federation has noticed this 5th column, if not, I expect that, from now, they will repair on them, and so you all, dear readers of The Vineyard of The Saker.
Dear Aleksandra,
Could it be that you were trying to say that the terrorist attack by Narodnaya Volya resulting in the death of Tsar’ Aleksandr II, of which they were blamed the Jews, could well be the first false flag attack of the 19th century?
Thank you for your inputs,
Regards.
Yes, you are right, Nathalie, thank you.
Regards.
The charming people from the White Emigre Russians:
Seventy-five White army veterans served as volunteers supporting Francisco Franco during the Spanish civil war.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Emblem_of_White_%C3%89migr%C3%A9_Volunteers_%28Spanish_Civil_War%29.svg/155px-Emblem_of_White_%C3%89migr%C3%A9_Volunteers_%28Spanish_Civil_War%29.svg.png
Aleksandra,
I have read through this entire conversation chain and found some very interesting observations.
Particularly, your point on how the Aristocracy of the Tsar empire (who were leading the ‘Whites’ against the Bolshevik ‘Red’s) might be still trying to play a significant (may not be positive, since, as you unearthed, they have fascist-orientation) role in Russia.
Could you send me link to any document/write-up on how the Monarchists, (western) Liberals, Communists, ‘non ideology’ oriented political party, etc. are trying to shape up the Russian political environment and government policies, since 1990…
You wrote: “your point on how the Aristocracy of the Tsar empire … might be still trying to play a significant … role in Russia”
And why wouldn’t they? May I ask?
Yes, we all continue the fight of our great-grandfathers and grandfathers.
Fact: Neo-liberal Alexei Venediktov, a neo-liberal journalist, editor-in-chief and co-owner of radio the Echo of Moscow. He is an extremist, who calls for the toppling of the Russian government, occupation of Russia by NATO and division of the country on many small pieces. Also he calls for ethnic cleansing all the Russian people.
His grandfather, as you can see from his resume here, was serving in SMERSH during the Great Patriotic War, and personally executed many Russian men for presumed violations. There were no courts, or investigations. It was up to comrade communist Venediktov to decide whom to execute. And he shoot many people with impunity, as stated proudly in his resume. Bolsheviks loved to execute personally.
Now, his grandson says that his grand-father had not finished his job, so he, Alexei Venediktov, has to finish it.
On the other side, grandchildren of the Russian noblemen are fighting for Russia, for Russian culture, church and people, as it’s their duty.
https://twitter.com/zapvv/status/599501315551731712
Scott,
You mentioned in response “And why wouldn’t they? May I ask? “.
Probably you didn’t read my original post to Aleksandra thoroughly – i did not pose / suggest anything of that nature ‘who should or who should not try to play a role”, I was inquisitive about knowing what is the socio-political scenario of Russia after 1990 … That’s all !
Peoples belonging to every ideology have a right to play constructively in their society. With that belief, I want to point out few things:
(1) Monarchists have right to be active in shaping the Russian government policies, particularly when such activism has nothing to do with fascism
(2) No groups belonging to any ideology should indulge in demonizing Bolsheviks for those cruel murderous acts which were carried out by the Zionist clique (who wanted to hijack Russian revolution of 1917) until Stalin cleaned up the party and government
(3) Knowing that the neo-liberals are puppets of AngloZionist elites, it seems most of them can betray Russian interest at any time (if they can get good amount of money)
(4) Orthodox Church plays a very important role in Russian society which acts as a sort of ‘binder’ keeping peoples aligned to family and society.
Being a student of history-politics-economics, I understand that, as long as human civilization exists, there will be tussle among various ‘socio-political’ and ‘economic’ ideologies. However the amazing fact is that most of the times most of the places on the earth the dichotomy between such ideologies are ‘false’… e.g. Monarchists (primarily socio-political ideology) vs. Communists (primarily economic ideology); Democrats (primarily socio-political ideology) vs. Communists, Democrats vs. Capitalists, Nationalists vs. Capitalists etc. etc. A careful study will reveal these dichotomies are between overlapped positions !
Only true contradictory positions can be Monarchists vs. Democrats, Capitalists vs. Communists.
Well, my research on this subject just begun few days ago, it occurred to me precisely through this discussion. Although I have had some doubts in my head all the time, sometimes I thought it was nonsense, but others not so much. Simply, certain things I read here and the way some people react to my comments inclines me to think of something fishy.
So far, my so called research, has not gone further from the Wikipedia pages whose links have already been attached, and some other research on genealogy. I can only tell you that I found people from the Russian nobility belonging to the US army and the old OSS, forerunner of the CIA. I’m afraid you must make your own research. Those Wikipedia pages linked, through their different sublinks and hyperlinks, will give you an idea of what I’m talking about.
You may feel the same doubts and be lucky enough to connect the dots, with the information available and what your instinct tells you, in the same way as I have done, after reading this blog for a few years.
Do not believe, sometimes, I am even amazed at how information comes to me, through one simple search on the net, sometimes even thinking of something paranormal, the fact is that the information is out there for those who could feel the curiosity or interest to find it.
With this, in no way I am saying that all the White Emigre Russian diaspora is plotting against the RF or has fascist tendencies, for sure there are also excellent, honest and lovely people, but the overall trend, I’m afraid, is this.
Another link on the issue could be this one, just found today:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/vonsiatsky-espionage
Now, I would like to leave the issue there, since this is Scott´s column, and I guess it will be obvious to you, as it is for me, that I am not welcome in his threads and I am finding some troubles to continues posting. Only I hope you can read this last comment.
My sole intention was to prove that there was nothing consistent against Mrs.Zakharova, whom I did not know of her existence until she was presented by the Saker as an extraordinary woman who came to represent the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation as spokesperson. You at no time would have seen me defending Mr.Venediktov or any other member of the Russian neoliberal opposition, on the contrary.
Then, one thing led me to the other.
Regards.
Aleksandra,
Thank you for the Vonsiatsky page – this is a good piece of how WW II ‘players’ joined hands to defeat and dismember Soviet Union.
You wrote … “… I found people from the Russian nobility belonging to the US army and the old OSS, forerunner of the CIA. ” >>
My earlier understanding was related to how the German and Italian government officers with fascist mentality escaped to North American continent and later on became assets of OSS through Dulles brothers. The fact that some of the ‘White Russians’ also joined that same gang was unknown to me.
I don’t know, if you favour any particular ideology, but since i found your research also touch upon the ‘most devilish geopolitical conspiracy the mankind ever witnessed i.e. WW II’, I thought to share some of my key understanding (which do not have any ideological basis):
(1) AngloZionist plutocracy who captured the USA’s economic base through creation of Fed in 1913, wanted to lord over Germany and Russia (which were till then independent of AngloZionist aristocracy originally from west Europe and partially migrated to USA). WW I was funded by them, and they profiteered from it commercially. Both German and Russian empires got dissolved through different internal process (for which, different political parties of both countries took help from AngloZionist Banking elites). Even though this AngloZionist plutocracy expected Germany and Russia will be within their orbit, Lenin’s group within Bolshevik party was on their own track, once they captured the state power through peasants-workers-soldiers unions. First the ‘White Russian’ forces were mobilised against new Bolshevik government. Then, Trotsky with his ‘continuous revolution’ slogan, tried to maintain local and international chaos (which will create more wars, and hence profits for Banking elites), but Stalin completely destroyed that group in 1937….
(2) Since, Russia again became powerful country and was acting away from actions that would have benefited the Banking elites, AngloZionist plutocracy staged the comeback of Germany as a powerful country. Hitler was selected to play the role of a strong ruler who will ‘unify’ germans and give them back their ‘glory’. Mighty German war machinery got built up in just 10 years through fund and technology supplied by AngloZionist plutocracy from USA and UK. Of course, USA and UK wished that Germany will crush Soviet Union, and when that process will be near completion, AngloZionists will join the war to finish off Hitler’s fascist government – permanent victory of ‘democracy’ (i.e. plutocrats running the democratic parties) over ‘communism’ and ‘fascism’ ! But history went in another course – temporary victory of ‘communism’ over ‘fascism’ ….
You also wrote … ” since this is Scott´s column, and I guess it will be obvious to you, as it is for me, that I am not welcome in his threads ” >>
I beg to differ in this. For so many years, Saker’s website has been a platform for transparent exchange of facts-figures to extract what is true and what is false propaganda. Yes, there can be acrimonious debates, but hardly any one has left the platform. I am sure, Scott himself will vouch for this statement. Hope you will continue to seek truth.
Regards,
Straight Bat, I also had known that some Italian and German Nazis who fled after the defeat in WWII had taken refuge in US and were included in the Communist-Hunters networks.
It is also new to me that these White Emigre Russians belonged, and I fear that they belong, to these fascist networks in the shade. Only, I fear, the AngloZionist plutocracy is not as independent from the AngloZionist aristocracy as you might think.
As I said, I can not put here what I discovered regarding lineages, all I can put it is the page where one can find the line of continuity between the Peerage of Britain and other European royal families. I insist, “with the information available” and the names that will arise in the investigation, look at this page, http://www.thepeerage.com/, perhaps you could reach to understand why I find so difficult to comment here and every time I try to reason my disagreeing at some point that seems inconsistent, I get a frontal personal attack.
If you read Scott´s new post for discussion on the visit of Israeli President, you will know what I am talking about, I do not feel free to discuss or disagree on any issue when I receive a personal attack after another when I am trying to do so.
If you read that thread, maybe you can also identify me, if you follow this blog assiduously and with careful attention. Perhaps you can also understand that I strongly insist on not share personal information, real name, real address or personal photos with anyone here. I made that mistake and hence the consequences. I would add besides be extremely careful when making monetary transactions from personal accounts. In this, yet I have not been so incautious.
Aleksandra,
I must appreciate your efforts on finding out how the ‘modern AngloZionist plutocracy’ might actually include the ‘medieval AngloZionist aristocracy’. Interestingly, I have been also trying to understand the ‘AngloZionist plutocratic global order’ ever since i witnessed the 2008 global economic crisis, and came to a conclusion that the AngloZionist plutocratic global order evolution started at least since 1493 when the Sephardim Jew peoples were banished from Iberian regions – most notable conclusion I reached is, the European monarchs/aristocracy that were driving away the Jews (Sephardims from Iberian regions, Ashkenazims from Slavic regions) during 15th and 16th centuries, were in league with the same Jew banking aristocracy, two centuries down the line, to form the ‘AngloZionist’ plutocracy, in which a third element, the industrialists, joined 1770 onwards. Well, I didn’t try to identify the family lineage, which can be done to some extent, if the linkage you sent shows correct information.
Now, i went through Scott´s new post for discussion on the visit of Israeli President. I don’t give much importance to speculations, but fully aware that, such conspiracies do happen. But, Israel flexing muscle vis-à-vis Russia seems to be far from truth.
I do not accept any blogger to do any type of personal attack on another blogger – whatever may be their faith, ideology. In fact, i’m stunned that you noted, Banderite Nazis parking their car in front of your office.
The blog sites (Saker and others) are platforms of exchanging views, and seeking knowledge, and brainstorming ways through which society can progress in a better way – hence, even if by chance any one reveal their actual identity, it should not be an issue. But, I accept your caution – not share personal information.
Have you written to her for her opinion, or for a response?
@ “Aleksandra Trophimowsky”:
When I was reading/skimming over your posts for the first time I admit to judging your contributions as a little confused and generally over the top. Upon re-reading some of your paragraphs (don’t know why) I discovered that actually you did make some valid and very interesting points.
That’s it. Sorry for getting personal but I thought maybe it makes you smile.
Thanks, gvp, it´s always a relief that someone reachs to understand what you are trying to show with not little effort, being my English bad enough to sometimes perhaps not get myself understood, I am aware of this. That’s my handicap, but I do not despair, I just get tired of receiving personal attacks instead of good reasoning.
I this thread, I have tried to be as respectful as possible, within what has allowed me the things I have been told.
I like Maria Sakharova . I like Maria Sharapova . Svetlana Kapanina . Asma Al Assad . I am not here stating that they belong in a set of mutual equals , but that it is only natural to compare them with the vipers of the west and to take them to one’s breast and defend them. And thus to make sets and categories in one’s own mind .
In addition , rare are the human beings without faults , and the greater good may be undermined by myopic attention to details .
I am also an artisan and have spent decades restoring art objects and antiques . People with treasures worth a great deal of money do not exist is squalor and live on meal tickets . That is just not how it is . People who project a public image believed by the millions , in their background have stories unknown by the millions . The points raised by Scott , while I still ‘like’ Maria Zakharova , are logical , with basis , and should not be dismissed .