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CrossTalk: The Great Debate

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  1. Victoria Bingham on October 22, 2016  ·  at 12:30 am EST/EDT

    1998 – The day before the Impeachment vote.. (over the Monica Lewinski affair) President Clinton bombed Iraq to take American minds off of the lewd scandal.

    2016 – In the days just before the election Hillary Clinton is preoccupying Americans with Candidate Trump’s lewd sex talk scandal, taking their minds off the bombing of Syria.

    What a country. VJCB

    • _smr on October 22, 2016  ·  at 8:02 am EST/EDT

      Talking of Monica Lewinski…

      … it was another hoax!

      http://mileswmathis.com/lewin.pdf

  2. vot tak on October 22, 2016  ·  at 3:23 am EST/EDT

    ‘America Has Lost’ – Behind Manila’s Separation From Washington

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201610221046607812-america-lost-philippines-china-duterte/

    “America has lost now,” Duterte said, during a forum in the Great Hall of the People, attended by Chinese Vice Premier Zhang Gaoli.

    “I’ve realigned myself in your ideological flow and maybe I will also go to Russia to talk to [President Vladimir] Putin and tell him that there are three of us against the world — China, Philippines and Russia. It’s the only way,” he added.

    “With that, in this venue, your honors, in this venue, I announce my separation from the United States,” Duterte said to sustained applause. “I have separated from them. So I will be dependent on you for all time. But do not worry. We will also help as you help us.”

    But meanwhile in the zionazified “west”, Jewish owned and run media remains an israeli propaganda arm and continues to promote zionazism as if this faggotry differers from the usual nazi bs. Fascist, nazi, zionist, birds of a feather…

    • Anonymous on October 22, 2016  ·  at 4:16 am EST/EDT

      REGIME CHANGE Langley Style:

      I suspect that the final details are being worked out to have Mr.Regime Change pay a visit to Manila.
      The Philippines’ top Army brass trained in the US are more than likely conducting clandestine meetings in the basement of the US Embassy in Manila, with Intelligence officials who have quietly arrived in the country from Diego Garcia.

      Lines are being rehearsed by the US-backed Coup Plotters with emphasis placed on; Human Rights and the Rule of Law.
      Criminal charges will probably be brought against Duterte ostensibly arising from his crackdown against Drugs Dealers.

      The Army leaders will suspend the constitution and indicate their intention to govern for a 2 year interim period.
      The US will make vague utterances about the need to uphold the rule of law and return to Civilian Rule ASAP, blah blah blah. ..

      The Coup Plotters citing corruption and the lack of transparency, will declare all contracts signed by the deposed President invalid, and proceed to tear up all the contracts signed with China…….

  3. Angelo on October 22, 2016  ·  at 3:49 am EST/EDT

    Polling the day before Brexit showed an 8-10% lead for Remain. Not very accurate, not very accurate at all.

    Clotaire Rapaille the marketing legend provides a most insightful observation, one written a decade before the current US election cycle.

    “One of the primary tensions in the American culture is the one between freedom and prohibition.

    One can look at culture as a survival kit passed down from one generation to the next. The American culture evolved as it did because the pioneers, and later the waves of immigrants who came to our shores, needed to evolve that way if they were to survive the conditions of this vast country. Traits such as Puritanism, a strong work ethic, the belief that people deserve a second chance, and putting a premium on success all helped us to survive in this new world. Swiss culture evolved the way it did, forging multiple cultures into one very strong one, in response to regular threats to Switzerland’s survival as a sovereign state.

    In the words of that great American philosopher Nike, one can boil the American agenda down to three simple words: “Just do it.” Our champions are athletes, entrepreneurs, police officers, firefighters, and soldiers – all people who take action. We may respect thinkers, but we don’t celebrate them nearly as much as we do our action figures. “

    Even more insightful is this….

    “Like all adolescents, we (Americans) have little patience for father figures. However, we are happy to follow a rebel as he leads the charge.

    Our leader is the person who leads the rebellion. This is essential in a culture where health means movement. We are always changing, always moving forward, always reinventing, and we want a president who can direct this process. The president needs to understand what is broken, have a strong idea about how to fix it, and then ” rebel” against the problem.

    We don’t want our presidents to think too much.

    We don’t want a father figure. We want a biblical figure.
    The Culture Code for the American presidency is MOSES.
    Strip away the religious components of the story of Moses, you’ll see that he represents the Code for the American presidency aptly: a rebellious leader of his people with a strong vision and the will to get them out of trouble.”

    The rise of Trump is not an accident, and in fact is not surprising if viewed from the right angle of perception.

    The polls being echoed by the corporate media do not line up with the on the ground reality that many people are experiencing in America. This effect I would call the ‘outsider’ effect. Trump is going to get many votes from those disaffected Americans of the type which hang up on pollsters the second they ask for a minute of your time. He’ll get votes from those who have never felt like voting for politicians mattered, and from those who just hate the system and want to take their revenge upon it. This segment of the population is larger than most recognize.

    The largest discrepancy between polling and reality is the fact that humans hide the truth, they lie in order to hide, or in order to not be the object of scrutiny. Admitting alignment with an outcast amidst the pressure of social conformity is not something most people will do, even when they feel like outcasts themselves.

    Rapaille also wrote the following, and his words have stuck in me like a thorn from the moment I first read them many years ago.

    “I don’t believe what people say. Why? Because what people say they want and what they really want are often two very different things. I just think they are genuinely unaware of what’s important to them at the deepest level.”

    • _smr on October 22, 2016  ·  at 8:12 am EST/EDT

      “The Culture Code for the American presidency is MOSES.
      Strip away the religious components of the story of Moses, you’ll see that he represents the Code for the American presidency aptly: a rebellious leader of his people with a strong vision and the will to get them out of trouble.”

      Yes, indeed, specially if we remember that Moses is a fictional character who never existed. We even might mark the the Torah-hoax as the beginning of `The Age of Deception`that we see crumbling under its too many lies right now.

      • Angelo on October 22, 2016  ·  at 7:47 pm EST/EDT

        Regardless of whether you believe Moses existed or not, we are dealing with archetypes – the fearless hero rebel who leads his people out of servitude. Almost all comic book heroes are torn from this archetypal cloth.

  4. Tom Welsh on October 22, 2016  ·  at 11:38 am EST/EDT

    For a while there I really thought Peter was going to set a world record by not interrupting his guests even once. (Possibly because they were talking about a subject that is less important to him – namely which ghastly clown gets to run the USA for the next four years).

    But then he let himself down, repeatedly breaking in to make the point that the guest was about to make himself – once he could get a hearing. Really, the idea that “you can break in whenever you want” is a fine one, but surely the host should exercise that right in strict moderation. Apart from anything else, it sounds rude and indecorous to shout your own guests down.

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