Yesterday when I posted Egor Prosvirnin “appeal” I knew that I would catch hell for it. Also, and to be really honest, I had some reservations of my own about the content of this appeal. Still, I assumed that most readers would be aware that I sometimes post things here which I do not necessarily agree with, but which I find important, or interesting, or a good way to trigger a good conversation. Apparently, some are still clearly disturbed by that approach of mine.
My initial thought was to post this appeal but with an introductory note in which I would express some of my reservations. I even wrote it. But then I decided that this would be wrong. Prosvirnin’s appeal does not need any caveats or “sweeteners” from me. It stands on its own. Is it hostile or antagonistic? Hell yes it is! So what? Let us look at the context again. In very simple terms what is going on is the following:
The USA is waging an undeclared war on the Russian nation. In this war, the main “weapon” used is the EU and, in the EU, Germany. Or did we all suddenly forget the link that Germany had not only to Klichko, but also to the entire Maidan thing?! And how did it all begin? By Yanukovich announcing a delay in signing the Agreement with the EU. After that, it was an endless circus of EU politicians showing up on the Maidan to support the neo-Nazis.
Some posters here said that Prosvirnin’s appeal would antagonize or offend Germans. Sorry guys, but we are not talking about a tea party for old women were one guest is being rude to the host. We are talking about the victim of a war expressing his disgust at one of the key aggressors! Not only does Prosvirnin have no obligation to be nice or even polite to anybody in the EU, he has the full right to be furious, disgusted and outraged that a country which inflicted such unspeakable suffering upon the Russian people during WWII and which owes its very existence to the (frankly stupid) belief of the Russians in 1991 that western promises would be kept, would act in such an arrogant and hostile way as Germany does today. Right now, I would argue that any Russian has a moral right to be angry, offended and disgusted with any and all European nations as all of them are accomplices in this war against Russia (what else is new? this was also the case in 1812 and in 1939).
Furthermore, may I remind my critics here that this is hardly the first time Germany shows such a lack of, what shall we call it, “memorial sensitivity” maybe?
Look at the role Germany played in the destruction of Yugoslavia. One could have imagined that having put a regime such as Pavelic’s Ustashe in power (a regime I would argue was even worse the Nazi Germany!), Germans might want to keep a tad lower profile in Yugoslavia. But no!
It seems that Germany and the Germans have fully and totally allocated their “memorial sensitivity” to Jews, Israel and the memory of what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe and that any other German or Nazi crimes simply don’t matter any more. So, even if we assume that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews (which is an outlandish, absolutely ridiculous figure!), this still means that they killed 3-4 times more Soviets (mostly Russians) during WWII. So why all that whining about murdered Jews and this deafening indifference towards murdered Russians or Serbs?
Could it be that there is a massive dose of hypocrisy at work here?
Mind you, I do not believe in collective guilt. Furthermore, I don’t even believe that the Germans behaved more shamefully during WWII than the Soviets, the USA, the Brits or anybody else. These countries were all were ruled by genocidal regimes which by 1939 had killed more people than Hitler ever did. And even the conquered European nations were so full of willing collaborators that they also deserve to feel ashamed. With a few possible exceptions like the Roms or Liechtenstein, pretty much everybody behaved in a shameful way during WWII. So I am not singling out Germany or the German people. But what I am saying is that Prosvirnin has the moral right to his outrage and that those Germans who are offended by it might want to reflect on it’s causes.
Okay, so maybe Prosvirnin has the moral right to his anger, but that hardly means that this anger is constructive. What about the risk of offending, alienating or otherwise inflaming anti-Russian feelings in Germany?
To this I will answer that trying it the “nice way” certainly did not put even a small dent in the German anti-Russian policies. In fact, Putin did very calmly and respectfully speak to the German people earlier this year, but with the notable exception of a few heroic figures, most Germans just did not seem to care for what he had to say. And on a more individual level, there have been numerous articles, analyses and appeals published in Russia and elsewhere showing that Russia and Germany are natural allies (or should be), that Germany has nothing to gain by allying itself to Ukie Nazis or the AngloZionists. Numerous Russians have placed their hopes into somehow driving a wedge between Germany and the USA and finally getting Germany to develop some kind of independent foreign policy. And the results of all these nice and friendly appeals? *Nothing*. Nothing at all.
So why in the world would Germans expect all Russians to continue to be friendly, non-hostile, non-inflammatory, constructive, polite and respectful?!
So maybe it is high time for a good, strong, slap in the face?
Then comes the last argument: the German people are opposed to the US colonial regime in power (aka the German government). Is this not a bad thing for Russia if the German people become offended and alienated?
No. Not in the least.
For one thing, if the action (or lack thereof) of the German public today is indicative of what a non-offended and non-alienated German general public acts like, then who in Russia should give a damn about it anyway? It is not only Germany, by the way. The proud European people are all acting like zombies, like robots, like automatons which have fully accepted the state propaganda and who are now stuck in a drunken russophobic stupor.
There is a Nazi regime in power in a major European country, it is clearly and unambiguously racist and illegal, it is using ballistic missiles against its own people, and it has caused the biggest movement of refugees since WWII, and yet the European general public does not seem to give a damn. Sure, like during WWII, there is a small percentage of heroic man and women who resist like Sophie Scholl or Jean Moulin did. Today, this means fighting the information war and protesting by all possible means against the actions of the regimes in power. And unlike Scholl or Moulin, those who resist today in the EU don’t even risk their lives, and yet there are so few – most do not care.
Until Russia imposed her own sanctions against the EU’s agriculture.
Then, suddenly, politicians in Austria, France, Finland and elsewhere grew a conscience, literally overnight, and now they want dialog and say that confrontation is unproductive. Better late then never I guess.
All this is to say that if I don’t necessarily agree with every word Egor Prosvirnin wrote and if I myself would have said it differently, I strongly believe that his message of anger and total disgust is absolutely appropriate and that those who don’t like what they read better get used to it, as there will be a lot more coming out of Russia, possibly even more angry and more disgusting.
Like many key things in life, respect is earned. It cannot be demanded. And yes, Prosvirnin clearly has no more respect for the EU than Victoria Nuland.
Why should they? Why should anybody?
The Saker
Strelkov dismissed. ???
At today’s meeting of the Council of Ministers granted the request for dismissal from the post of Minister of defence DND Colonel Igor strelkov in connection with transfer to another job, the press service of the DND. The Chairman of the Council of Ministers Alexander Zakharchenko explained to the audience how important the work will perform Igor Strelkov. In connection with the exemption from specified position, defense Minister appointed Vladimir Kononov. This appointment shall be made tomorrow on the approval of the Supreme Council. Vladimir Kononov informed the participants about the situation at the front. At the meeting would be announced by order of the Commander-in-chief of the Supreme Council DND Alexander Zakharchenko on introduction within the Ministry of defence of the post of first Deputy MO chief of Staff.
Does anyone have the insight on this?
Wounded? Incapacitated? Deceased? Or is this covert operation and another brilliant tactic?
Regarding the aid convoy, ZeroHedge is reporting…
A Full Look Inside The Russian Humanitarian Convoy…
…that it is stopped at Kamen-Shakhtinsky — which is southeast of Luhansk, about 70 kilometers from the border at Donetsk, Russia, and about 100 kilometers from Luhansk.
ZOOM OUT at:
live google map – Kamensk-Shakhtinsky, Russia
@EVERYBODY: a small post-scriptum from me. In this commentary to Prosvirnin “appeal” I tried to explain why I thought it was appropriate and even important to post this document. I did that to clarify my purpose because many of you were apparently truly incensed. Now having said what I had to say, I have no intention of getting bogged down into an endless argument about WWII. So while all of you can post comments (the normal rules still apply), I will not participate to this discussion simply due to a lack of time. I ask for your understanding here. Thank you.
The Saker
“Numerous Russians have placed their hopes into somehow driving a wedge between Germany and the USA and finally getting Germany to develop some kind of independent foreign policy. And the results of all these nice and friendly appeals? *Nothing*. Nothing at all.”
Russians seem to have an insane romantic streak that causes them to have trouble seeing who their actual friends and allies are. It is always going to be more profitable and politically comfortable to destroy Russia and steal her resources than to do business and buy them.
Libyans had a better chance of getting Russia to help against NATO than Russia has of breaking Germany off of the US and UK.
It’s my belief that Saker hit the MAIN nail on the head in this article when he said:
“It seems that Germany and the Germans have fully and totally allocated their “memorial sensitivity” to Jews, Israel and the memory of what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe and that any other German or Nazi crimes simply don’t matter any more.”
I will also add that is * not only Germany/Germans* but most of OUR countries that follow what Saker calls” memorial sensitivity” and I call “chosen ones sensitivity”.
Saker goes on to say and very truthfully:
“So why all that whining about murdered Jews and this deafening indifference towards murdered Russians or Serbs?”
Which I will add:
It is obvious to me the “chosen ones” were not made by God, but built/constructed by ALL those that always excuse them regardless of what they do against others &
putting the Jews *above* all the rest of humanity.
No wonder!the majority of them (not all) really believe that they are indeed— the “chosen ones”.
Pfft…a pox on both(the Zionists Jews & the Zionists Jews’ enablers/ apologists)your houses then.
I thought Prosvirnin is spot on.
It was a forceful explication of the Russian perspective for those behind the Anglo-American curtain.
The moment I saw Prosvirin’s appeal – linked from Twitter before it appeared here – I wikified it and posted it to Wikispooks here.
I agree 100% with your explanations above. You have nothing either to explain or apologise for.
IMHO, Germans who understand the extent to which there government is a ZOG – ie 100% occupied and subservient – will b either deeply embarrassed, or shamed (or hopefully both) by Provirin’s little missive. The rest are sheeple who understand nothing beyond what their Sheeple-herds tell them; which sadly is the zombified status of the western mass of Anglo-US-NATO member populations
>Strelkov dismissed. ??? >is this covert operation >and another brilliant >tactic?
Your question is answered here:
>in connection with >transfer to another job
My guess would be they are separating out their Intelligence/Spetznaz command(s)
re: Strelkov dismissal
Larchmonter445 doesn’t indicate a source, but this just came through ( August 14, 20:06 UTC+4 ) my RSS feed from ITAR-TASS:
Donetsk People’s Republic dismisses defense minister
ITAR-TASS has no confirmation of the news from other sources
DONETSK, August 14. /ITAR-TASS/. The Council of Ministers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic on Thursday agreed to dismiss the defense minister, chief of the republic’s General Staff, Igor Strelkov, of his own accord. Strelkov is moving to another position. He is to be succeeded by Vladimir Kononov, the DPR’s press-centre has said.
“The appointment will be presented to the republic’s legislature for approval on Friday,” DPR Prime Minister Aleksandr Zakharchenko announced.
Saker is missing the point entirely.
The Question is – does Egor Prosvirnin want peace or war? (his headline indicates an appeal for peace)
If ‘peace’ then he is doing it all wrong.
If war, then he is bang on and is either foolish or he is deceiving everyone else (which makes him foolish anyway)
Does Saker want peace or war?
If peace, then his new commentary will not further that cause one inch. He is making the same mistake I commented on that Prosvirnin made. Namely, referring to Germans or Germany when he means German ‘leaders’.
He is defending Egor Prosvirnin and himself in posting his article. Fine, but it is to the cost of everyone if it adds in anyway to a World War in which case it will not be about Germans or Russians but every body.
Everybody wants to live in peace except the leaders of countries like Germany, US, UK and how can we forget Ukraine. These leaders need the co-operation of the people. Without that, these psychopaths cannot wage war on us. And it is them against us.
Driving the German people into the arms of the German leaders by lumping them all together helps the cause of war!
It is that simple!
People everywhere have been dumbed down through mass medication and mass media and very poor education. They are vulnerable to the psychopaths propaganda.
They need the truth and blaming the public, from no matter what country, for the actions of our elected but unaccountable ‘leaders’ is not the truth. Not in the universal way it is being written.
This ‘slap in the face’ will not wake many up but will much more likely drive them into the very arms we need to keep them out of.
So what do we want? Something that works and furthers our aims or something that furthers the aims of our universal enemy?
We would all (incl Prosvirnin) be better off finding ways to divide the public everywhere from our ‘leaders’ so we might avoid world war rather than indulging in righteously blaming each other while the psychopaths laugh their tits off at us.
F*k EU !
Poor Victoria Nuland did not know how powerful a message did she put into mouths of non-zombiefied people of the world.
I – considering myself non-zombified EU citizen – whole-heardtedly agree. All my being despises EU, being a shameful caricature of what Europeans dreamed of.
Being a western Slav I feel enormously ashamed by my fellow western Slavs, who sold their land, water, cultural and material heritages of ancestors and Slavic souls (predali otsa i matj) – for the illusion of consumerist paradise of EU.
So – unanimously with Victoria Nuland – f*k EU ! And f*k most of my fellow western Slavs !
Saker you’re playing a double game.
You know that the “normal” folks in the USA, Europe AND in Russia are doped by sublime propaganda, sublime because it is feet by hate, and this article you published is doing exactly that. Who is to blame, indeed: the second person in your elucidation, switching from the dealer to the doped, from the politician to the plebus, from the publisher to the hypnoticed.
This is what we have to understand about their anger, and pray for them, and ourself (!), NOT pushing their/our sleepwalking trance of rage, disguised as ligitmate understanding; from you to us feeding hate disguised as ligitmate understanding.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.”, and this article had nothing to do with that. And for a man with his mouth full of the religious Russian soul one should expect that he act in that way.
It would do the infinitely wise Vineyard Saker some good to realize that Prosvirnin is a man who would sell himself to anyone who would pay. This fascist was on Hromadske.tv during Maidan 1.0 talking about how great it was that Ukronazis he met in the square seemed to be warm and cordial towards the Russian far right goons like himself.
For all the accusations of “psyops” that this blog likes to throw at it’s critics, here’s one that’s staring at you in the face. Germans bully and genocide while Russians cry their eyes out and reaffirm the moral legitimacy of Western European culture. Is this a pep talk for German fascists?
phodges said…
“It was a forceful explication of the Russian perspective for those behind the Anglo-American curtain.”
So the Russian perspective is angst and ennui over the fact that Germany hates Russians and has always hated Russians? Why does a so-called great nation wallow in such self-pity?
@ Carmel by the Sea: Which I will add:
It is obvious to me the “chosen ones” were not made by God, but built/constructed by ALL those that always excuse them regardless of what they do against others &
putting the Jews *above* all the rest of humanity.
No wonder!the majority of them (not all) really believe that they are indeed— the “chosen ones”.
And, I might add that you hit the MAIN nail on the head TOO!
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Saker you’re playing a double game.
You know that the “normal” folks in the USA, Europe AND in Russia are doped by a sublime propaganda machine, sublime because it is feet by hate and this article you published is doing exactly that. Who is to blame, indeed: the second person in your elucidation, switching from the dealer to the doped, from the politician to the plebs, from the publisher to the hypnotized.
This is what we have to understand about their anger, and pray for them, and our self (!), NOT pushing their, our sleepwalking trance of rage, disguised as legitimate understanding; from you to us feeding hate disguised as legitimate understanding.
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.”, and this article had nothing to do with that. And for a man with his mouth full of the religious Russian soul one should expect that he act in that way.
Greetings from France (used to be Singapore):
Since WWII Germany has no moral authority to judge Russia in any way. I do agree with the appeal of Prosvirnin in its contents but not the style.
once a nazi always a nazi…
Even though the majority of EU citizens seems to be taken in by the anti-Russian propaganda, let’s be clear about that this attitude is just like the old saying goes, a mile wide and an inch deep. The most russophobic countries – Poland, Lithuania – may be an exception to that, but it is certainly true for the Western Europeans. These populations have lived in peace and ever increasing wealth since the end of WWII, an entire two generations now. As peoples they are not in any way used to or prepared to endure any kind of serious hardship. So, if Russia ever came around to cutting off the gas during winter, then a change of
attitude would be almost assured.
@Carmel by the Sea: Which I will add:
It is obvious to me the “chosen ones” were not made by God, but built/constructed by ALL those that always excuse them regardless of what they do against others &
putting the Jews *above* all the rest of humanity.
No wonder!the majority of them (not all) really believe that they are indeed— the “chosen ones”.
Fully Agree!
I have a great idea. Since the NT always get edited and revised, why can’t we edit and revise the “chosen ones” bullshit out of the OT. Then 2 Billion Christians wouldn’t be propagating such bullshit.
Or better yet, since we have condensed version of the Bible, why don’t we completely remove the OT from the Bible. Then not only we can reconcile the God of OT with the God of NT, but we will be doing the whole world a favor from this vengeance.
We don’t need OT anymore for the prophesies of Jesus and the Old Law doesn’t apply anymore. The NT is much, much better for morality and sufficient by itself.
Why carry all that baggage?
The Jews will be happier too, a their Scripture TaNaKh won’t be hijacked by Christians anymore and then changed too.
Mohamed.
I’m unhappy with Prosvirnin and, exceptionally, with Saker because germany once again is largely reduced to the former 3rd Reich and its eternal guilt.
This, Pardon me, is sheer nonsense.
Not so much because decades and decades have passed. Not even because germany isn’t a proper country but hardly more than a – still! – occupied zone. But because Prosvirnin like many others fail to see the bluntly evident: “germany”, “the germans”, and the german government are quite different things.
This is true for basically every western “democratic” country but particularly for the still occupied and completly remote controlled uza vassal germany.
As everyone knows I detest the uza and I detest many properties of americans. BUT: Looking in a fair manner, there simply isn’t “the americans”; there is some hundred million individuals. Yes, many of those have about the cultural level of a waste bag, and yes, many of those can hardly read and write, and finally, yes, many of those have usually more than less willingly served as butchers and thugs in the uza war machinery.
But still, there is no basis, other than the occasional remark, to state that “the americans” are evil, dumb, or whatever. Nora, here in this blog, for instance, proves many ideas about “the americans” wrong.
The same is true for “the Russians”, “the germans”, or the xxx.
And it is particularly nonsensical and unfair to blaim “the germans” (or “the americans”) for the crimes of the very junta that lies to them on a daily basis, abuses them, and steals from them.
My partner told me that just some months ago, to offer you a concrete example, in Hamburg, a big city, the authorities basically declared some quarters as a zone where basic rights do not apply (police is not bound by legal proceeding and citizens are without basic rights) because many discontent people were gathering there to (peacefully) protest. In many other situations peaceful protesters are badly beaten up by the police – in other words, the “democratic” regime of germany tolerates no protest and crushes it the same way the uza regime brutally crushed the occupy movement.
Prosvirnin should have addresses the government, the lousy whores who dance to uza’s tunes and don’t give a batshit for their citizens. But that is not what he did. What he did was to cheaply ride one primitive memes. He simply and cheaply used the means of the very criminals about whose actions he – seemingly – complains to launch a dirty hit.
It looks like the Ukies have decided to send their own aid convoy of 19 trucks. No wonder they have been stalling the Russians.
“But why only now? Looks insincere now”
On many European blogs there is the information that Mrs. Merkel was / probably still is / on the CIA payroll ,than no wonder why the situation is developing as it is.
To spying on her phone was just to check on her on which site she is working………..
As a German I also think he is spot on and it’s a well-deserved slap in the face. I couldn’t be more disgusted by how our “elites” behave in this. Glad to see that it (the German version) makes some rounds, even if those who should read it won’t.
For those who are interested, here is an English-language documentary about the recently developing new Monday demonstrations in Germany. Which are far too small for now to make a difference, but show that there are some exceptions to complacent Zombiedom. And are large enough to have already been smeared by the corporate press, which is a good sign.
Hello,
I found Prosvirnin’s message up to the point, and I also think he has the right to tell the truth. Because what he says is the truth. I am French. I am also totally disgusted by the course that the french government is following. One could argue that the government and the people are different things. I do not think so. In most of the cases, governments are embodying the fears, hate and cowardise of the majority of the people.
Well, it is true: Europ is a fascist entity. It is about time to start recognize it, tell it, and do something about it. Russia today is the target of the hate of this fascist society, and it is about time that Russians would recognize it, and that the Russian government do something extremely firm about it. They will not listen to reason. They will only recognize force and power exerted upon them. Too bad: it is too late now for civilized polite argumentation.
well, right at the point with your comments. Maybe the Europeans think they have the same exceptionality as Americans think.
thank you!
PS
Would Angela Merkel be a zionist?
Saker: It is game over. To expect that some EU countries will reconsider their position is waste of time. They have chosen to remain US slaves. It is easier for Russia to form alliances with Latin countries or whatever Non West-european countries. EU will somehow react to Russian sanctions or whatever else some could (in a minimum way) jeopardize its everyday functioning otherwise it wont give a damn to Ukrainian lives whatever civilians, Russian, Nazi. Just forget it!
Egor Prosvirnin
Loved the post and thanks for posting it.
@EVERYBODY: I just got this in my email:
“And even the conquered European nations were so full of willing collaborators that they also deserve to feel ashamed. With a few possible exceptions like the Roms or Liechtenstein, pretty much everybody behaved in a shameful way during WWII.” No sir. Not the Greeks. Apart the usual Quisling agents, a whole people resisting. 800.000 victims in a population of 7 million.Not one Greek fighting with the Germans against Russia. The only occupied country where German decree for civil mobilization was aborted by a an explosive general strike. Look up Stalin’s declaration about our contribution to the Russian victory, Zukov’s statement about how Moscow was saved by the Greeks nailing the German invaders and delaying the attack on Russia, and Hitlers statement in the Reichstag about the “only people who heroically resisted his forces, demonstrating contempt for death”
My reply to this was:
you know what?
you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
I will post your comment in the comment section but without any reference to your identify.
I stand corrected. Thank you.
The Saker
Well that was a lot more long winded than what I wrote. But I felt just as perplexed by the Russians as I did the Germans. But someone told me Russians do not act until forced to act while US/UK plan well in advance their plans and when they act, they act decisively and use anything that comes there way to leverage their plan. I figured out what the US was doing many years ago but was powerless to change it. Then Russia showed up which was the first chance we had to make a difference but they never used their leverage always being afraid of the Chinese and indifferent with the Indians. The only other 2 countries with any chance of independence and capabilities on the planet. And that dont mean wealth and money but in capabilities and percervation. They also have experience with what is happening now since it took centuries to bring them down to their knees. Although by now both China and India has been infilterated by the US. Neither can survive without the US since Russia was no where to be seen. But they can survive without Russia.. All they have to do is serve the masta as they have done for centuries. So without Russians making great effort at understanding and cajouling the asians they will be indifferent. Remember China did not agree on Crimea while India came out with support. Russians are still waiting for their friends in the EU to kill a few million of them before it hits them they are not friends and definitely not equals.
O/T, but only just slightly. Hedy Epstein, an absolutely amazing 90-year-old supporter of Palestinian rights (imagine being detained at Ben Gurion Airport, strip-searched and manhandled in your mid-80’s), is among 224 other holocaust survivors signing a petition condemning the massacre of Palestinians and hoping to place it in the NYT. It’s worth looking at even if you don’t donate, but it’s definitely worth a donation too, imo. These are people who strongly believe in NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE! (~: Sorry, Saker, it’s a direct quote ;~) And their voices should be heard, most especially in that venue.
http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors_and_descendents-letter/
From Aztlan…
Boroday in interview with LIFENEWS announces that Strelkov has quit as Degense Minister of DNI: http://lifenews.ru/news/138417.
Is this a nuke? or a dud?
Where does it go from here.
Militiaman with callsigh KING, new defense Minister.
From Aztlan…
Bolotov announced his resignation as well, due to injuries in the battlefield.
http://lifenews.ru/news/138389
I agree with you 100%, Saker, and was in no way offended by Prosvirnin’s letter. And while I think it is always better to try to avoid the use of profanities, F— the EU seems to about sum up my sentiments exactly. I cannot believe the sheer perversity of Western leaders – from the horror they have committed in Ukraine to the perversion of daily life they are creating here in the States, in the UK or in Europe. People SHOULD rage. They should be storming the seats of power before all power becomes totally hidden.
Not to attack Russia because I believe we now owe them a debt of gratitude but I believe that the Russians are blinded to their true friends not only by a shared culture but by colour. Seems that many of them see themselves as natural inheritors of the European project because they, at least most of them, like much of Europe, are white. The sooner they throw off this psychological limitation the sooner they will act consonant with their interests. No one will respect them so long as they are begging to be let in the European club.
The Russians are now faced with the same dilemma that Blacks faced in the US 2 generations ago. In response to a question about separation or integration James Baldwin famously said, “Who wants to integrate into a burning house?” Well, the Blacks chose wrong, but Russia, thankfully, still has a chance to head for the door before that European club, which is now in flames, burns to the ground. Besides, this way they can be a part of creating a better, fairer, more just arrangement, which by its very objective can not be a Eurocentric project. Chinese, Indians, Africans and Brazilians are, for the most part, not white and have no interest in trading a Anglo master for a Slavic one. Russia would be the lone, mostly, white nation in that grouping, but its contribution to BRICS survival is crucial.
To succeed the BRICS must be more than merely an economic challenge to the existing order. Properly seen BRICS is the embodiment of the spiritual and moral challenge to create an arrangement that accepts and nurtures as its central goal the natural brotherhood of all men. Only from that kernal of truth can new lasting economic arrangements be forged. i.e. Can there be an international order that delivers what each of their people hold as their deepest longing: a fair and just society. Without full acceptance of this underlying principle, BRICS will be stillborn. Now is the time for the various religions represented in the BRICS countries, and also people of good will, to step forward with their vision for human cooperation and coexistence. Dialogue must occur on all levels, but particularly on the religious plane, for it is there that deeper understanding and appreciation of our different perspectives will be brought to the open. I fear that so far, this aspect of the coming order has been neglected, and we will all be the poorer for it.
“In fact, Putin did very calmly and respectfully speak to the German people earlier this year, but with the notable exception of a few heroic figures, most Germans just did not seem to care for what he had to say.”
I think the problem is that most Germans access only filtered and distorted information. One has to keep in mind that the masses are manipulated by the mass media which invariably lies in bed with powers that be.
Actually, on this highly sensitive subject I have to take issue with both Egor Prosvirnin and the Saker. Indeed, the very opening words of Prosvirnin’s appeal to Germany read as follows (emphasis mine):
“My name is Egor Prosvirnin, I am the chief editor of the Russian site sputnikipogrom.com which advocates European values. I’ve heard that one of the aspects of life that Europeans, and Germans especially, cherish is history.“
Well, dear Mr. Prosvirnin: If you sincerely believe that “European values” is something laudable — then just what the **** are you complaining about? Why don’t you appreciate the mentality which Western Europe’s 500+ years of successful global plunder, greed, deception, and racist genocide has bred into its faithful, parasitic subjects? Take my word for it, Sir: The latters’ sense of entitlement to other peoples’ labour output and natural resources runs very deep indeed as does their delight in fascist imbecility and depravity. Forget about this utterly futile flattery-by-platitudes such as “European values” and “Western partners“. Your alleged “partners” are not impressed by anything but brute force. As regards the interest in History, it’s mostly braindead, pre-fabricated Western commercial tripe about World War 2. Apart from that, World History has little traction among Westerners.
Saker, for his part, laments to the effect that
“Furthermore, I don’t even believe that the Germans behaved more shamefully during WWII than the Soviets, the USA, the Brits or anybody else. These countries were all were ruled by genocidal regimes which by 1939 had killed more people than Hitler ever did“.
Just like Prosvirnin, Saker too remains stuck in this Eurocentric bigotry that hasn’t liberated any living soul ever. USSR under Stalin gave the lie to Western fascist invincibility. Heroic sacrifice to liberate all of Europe. But Westerners, spoiled rotten from centuries of fascist rampage, are not just hopelessly ignorant but die-hard ingrates as well. Ergo: Stalin = Hitler. Funny how Stalin, who allegedly devoured infants for breakfast during 30 long years, could see his country’s population, wealth, and technical achievements grow so incredibly fast.
To summarise: If Russia is to survive, her leaders and her people will have to do what USSR under Stalin did 70 years ago. To wit, smash the West’s mad dogs for all the world to see.
I don’t watch the videos and in fact don’t watch news programs, so I cannot add anything to what others have said on this one.
However, I really don’t see the value in publishing generalized nationalistic condemnations, because then the condemnation extends to those civilians who are within the borders – either they are given names like ‘sheepie’ or somesuch general term of disapproval, when there is no real way of knowing either the stress or the compulsion the average citizen may be facing.
Look at what is presently happening in Missouri, for instance. Police forces in small towns are now armed more aggressively than soldiers were invading Iraq. Shall we be seeing IUD’s on the streets of these towns? Children pretending to be friendly but actually suicide bombers? How does a populace cope with that?
The French could well be accused of being quislings during WW2. I know of one fact: students rebelled at the Sorbonne. The German occupiers took the oldest son from every university family and sent them to Dresden, and we know what happened eventually to Dresden. Those French families were being held hostage.
War is hell and the perpetrators, even nice young men sent to be soldiers, participate in hellish activities in order to survive.
If you are not there in the midst of these pressures, you cannot be the judge of these people, and above all you cannot use history to condemn a nation after the facts of war have diminished.
I praise Germany for their investigative teams – I would not have had any inkling of what happened at the Maidan if it hadn’t been for a German documentary painstakingly pointing out that there was something very wrong going on. Thank you for that, Germany.
The way I see it, the Russians tried being nice, polite, moderate, considerate and reasonable. The Empire laughed at them as weak, and stepped up the lies, murder and mayhem. So the gloves are now off. No more Mr. Nice Ivan.
About time.
This blog is degenerating.
If it no longer endeavors to provide Western anglophone readers with an objective view of the Russian situation (the sole possible alternative to America’s NWO), then what good is it?
The dubious moral/cultural sensibilities of its author and many of its commentators are just another view of the gutter.
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Saker, may I suggest that we board a Jenseitsflugmaschine in order to obtain some perspective? After all, it isn’t rocket science to understand who-is-who in this global Great War.
The ‘global economy’ has effectively become a very dangerous fascist totalitarian construct and all peoples ‘allied’ to this construct have subdued their sovereignty serving the interests of a corporate financial ponzi scheme backed by an insanely dangerous & disproportional war machine.
All major *public* institutions are usurped/funded by international *privately* owned corporations.
We are being incited by the Great Scarlet MSM Whore.
Divide-and-fuck’em-all.
Buk dich?
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As far as I’m concerned, I have not said anything because of lack of time, but the Prosvirdin´s statement seemed perfect to me. Rather it seems to me priceless. It does not say more than the truth. I agree with everything he says, and more, I’m thinking spread it around.
What do you have to soften here, with everything we’re seeing, hearing and reading?
For my part, while I said that diplomacy has a limit, even in the case of the Russian leadership, and education also, it is time to call a spade a spade.
Actually the time came long ago.
Germany has played a crucial role in the Ukrainian crisis and in the EC decisions, therefore equivalent responsibility.
all of them are accomplices in this war against Russia (what else is new? this was also the case in 1812 and in 1939
Sorry, but there was no act of aggression against Russia/USSR in 1939. There were however acts of aggression by the Soviets that year. First, in September they invaded and held Eastern Poland against its will, then in November the USSR started a war with Finland. Any European (or American) who thinks his country was always the victim and never the aggressor is guilty of the kind of thinking that has led to wars in the past.
In the early part of the Twentieth Century, Germany through heavy reinvesting was eclipsing England in industry through international trade. Much of it was done via shipping. While ever this was the case, Germany was vulnerable to England’s formidable navy. But Germany was looking to new overland markets in the Middle East; Turkey and beyond to Iraq. They were planning the Baghdad Railway to facilitate this trade. The English bankers knew (before anyone else) there was vast oil deposits in Iraq and knew this was the fuel of the future, especially for their navy. The overland trade would be beyond the control of the bankers and the British Navy and their window of opportunity was closing fast. So they engineered World War 1. They decimated Germany during the war and decimated it economically afterwards. The Versailles Treaty was designed to keep Germany down industrially and keep it down so it could not rival the banker run British Empire again.
The London (and later the New York) bankers had a vital interest in hindering overland trade between the countries of Eurasia and forcing them one way or another to carry out their trade via shipping and thus inserting themselves as middlemen into all international trade by owning the shipping lines, the insurance companies and the currencies used in this international trade; first British Sterling and then the US dollar. The bankers have been very successful with this simple strategy but it is all coming unglued now. China and Russia are using their own currencies and opening up overland trade routes including China’s proposed New Silk Road linking China to Germany. They are integrating the Eurasian continent and freezing the bankers out because the bankers are completely parasitic and add no value to Eurasia’s trade or to their economies. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Jewish bankers have a fondness for fascists (as seen today in Ukraine) which goes back into history. They financed Hitler to begin with but when Hitler came to power he ditched them and instituted state financing of infrastructure development and eliminated the then massive unemployment of six million people within two years. The bankers declared war on him in the international press and instituted trade sanctions against Germany in an attempt to hobble their economy. This did not work so the bankers engineered the Second World War by manipulating Poland into antagonizing Germany until it invaded. Germany’s industrial capacity was destroyed through the Allied bombing and rebuilt but firmly under banker control this time.
Sparing the Brits/French at Dunkirk was just one of Hitler’s multiple peace offers. But the satanists needed Germany’s annihilation before all Europe could be mastered.
Hitler let the entire British Army and much of the French army escape
Yes; Hitler let the entire British Army and much of the French army escape at Dunkirk (he ordered the German tanks stopped when they were about ten miles from Dunkirk). About 350,000 soldiers escaped and nearly all of them returned to fight the Germans.
I´m very sorry for Strelkov, much success in Novorrusia Resistance is due to its good performance and strategic ability, no doubt.
If he was injured, I wish him a speedy recovery.
To Igor Strelkov, a song for a hero:
http://youtu.be/xy5Er0zjST4
Perhaps the misunderstanding was started in the assigned title – The Russian appeal to Germany, which apparently some took literally.
Its correct to post disinformation as exposure to the attenuated virus can be beneficial.
Human
You put the peg in the hole! Well said.
“The ‘global economy’ has effectively become a very dangerous fascist totalitarian construct and all peoples ‘allied’ to this construct have subdued their sovereignty serving the interests of a corporate financial ponzi scheme backed by an insanely dangerous & disproportional war machine.
All major *public* institutions are usurped/funded by international *privately* owned corporations.
We are being incited by the Great Scarlet MSM Whore.”
Grab your ankles, eh?
germany and russia have common enemy-the english race and its 5 evil eyes of spying.
4th June, 2007.
President Putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia with massive nukes must target england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how Germany wes vilified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM against Russia. BBc spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
-such is the evil propaganda of British spies inside america. .
poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
It is no use targeting Poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which must be stopped now.
@Nora: Penny’s got an awful lot of good stuff on just how hinky this Yazidi “rescue” effort is, among other things…
Now you believe me when I say that they are all in cahoots, including Obama, Putin and Iran.
Ukraine is an illusion also, to a certain extent.
Netanyahu days are numbered, InshaAllah.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Is there a problem with the translation re Strelkov’s “dismissal”? The tenor of the communique as rendered into English makes me think it ought to read “At his own request, Col. Strelkin has been relieved of his duties as Minister of Defence to take up other duties”. Mind you, I have been wrong before.
Prosvirnin is saying something that needs to be said. He is hard-hitting. There are many, many Germans who question the unthinking demonization in the German press of ethnic Russians in Ukraine, and Russia, and Putin. But these “good Germans” must speak up more loudly now. They need to make Merkel and Co. understand that she is treading a very dangerous road indeed and express their outrage at what looks like turning back the clock in Germany to the thirties.
As the Saker points out, there is no room for complacency in any European country, and certainly not in the USA, either. Still, one had placed particular hope in the Germany conscience and clear view because the GErmans went through such an intense whiplash and came out the better on the other side. Because the Germans seemed truly to have deeply absorbed the lessons of the Nazi interlude and the benefits of developing a genuine, effective democracy after the war. So GErmany is kind of a canary in the cage.
Prosvirnin is right to call them out now. If the Germans, of all people can forget “Never forget”–or, rather, can believe that it applies only to the murdered Jews and not the fallen Russians and the millions of Russian civilians who were sacrificed, not to mention all of the other victims–then not only the Russians but all of us are pretty far up Shit Creek without a paddle.
Katherine (American, half German, of which 1/4 Jewish)
Merkel has openly approved the nazi aggression against the population and supports it with billions of euros and German uniforms.
On the question whether she would demand from Kiev to stop military actions if Putin makes concessions Merkel gave a negative response:
“It is so that each state has the right to sue for also the monopoly of power.”
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/Content/DE/Mitschrift/Pressekonferenzen/2014/05/2014-05-08-merkel-wdr-europaforum.html
video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNcDxOYkxbI&t=64m20s
After the signing of the so-called association agreement Merkel said:
“The Association Agreement was signed in its political part of the Ukraine and of us as members of the European Union this morning. It is to agree on a common set of values, democracy, human rights, the rule of law. It is also a sign of solidarity, and it is a very concrete basis for cooperation between the EU and Ukraine, for example in the framework of the political dialogue, which should of course focus on the reforms domestically and extend necessary.”
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.bundesregierung.de/Content/DE/Mitschrift/Pressekonferenzen/2014/03/2014-03-21-pk-merkel-2.html
After WW2 Munich was the center of exile of the Bandera fascists hired and trained by the Abwehr and later the BND. So those Ukrainian nazis were always part of the “common set of values”.
http://german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58748
6,000,000 – 1915/1938.
The truth does not need any laws.
3rd generation holocaust survivor…
No need to guide the cash cow to the slaughterhouse any day soon, I guess…
Anyone wondering about the jewish/zionist domination of the history of WW2 suffering should do some reading on narcissism.
That mental disorder describes to perfection how the J/Z cult behaves.
We are all their victims.
The sooner it is realised and we respond appropriately the better
Eagle eye
@ mpadppy,
Q: while US/UK plan well in advance their plans and when they act, they act decisively and use anything that comes there way to leverage their plan.
R; Yeah, Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya, Syria are amongst the ample examples of their grandiose strategy. Sure, the chaos suits their needs, but it doesn’t ensure a foothold or a true springboard to catapult themselves further into a multipolar world. We are witnessing tectonic shifts in a political landscape, the likes will only become clear over time. Years, not weeks or days.
It seems to me a remarkable delusion of some posters here who think
that there is a natural alliance between Germany and Russia.
This flies in the face of history and geopolitical reality.
The German state has now in 2014 fully achieved the aims it set
out in its September programme of war aims in 1914:
The establishment of a European currency and customs union under
German domination.
The defeat and dismemberment of Serbia.
The breakup of Russia and the establishment of of states dominated
by Germany on the former Western part of Russia – the baltic states
and Ukraine.
There is a reasonable probability that by the end of 2014 two of the other territorial
adjustments included in German war aims will have been achieved –
with both Ireland and Scotland having broken away from England.
As soon as Soviet forces pulled out of Germany the long term aims
of the deep state re-emerged in the role played by Germany and Austria
in the breakup of Jugoslavia.
German dominance of Europe is conditional on a weak Russia – unless
perhaps Russia were to join the EU and become the dominant member.
Mohamed,
Thank you. I call it as I see it.
You said: “We don’t need OT anymore for the prophesies of Jesus and the Old Law doesn’t apply anymore. The NT is much, much better for morality and sufficient by itself.”
I for one never paid attention to the OT. I follow only the NT for as you well said:
“Old Law doesn’t apply anymore.”
Exactly! Mohamed, and since it no longer applies why keep reading it?
By the way… that is why I have never fallen for that “Judeo- Christian” garbage.
The Old Testament is all about vengeance.
The New Testament is all about compassion for ALL, regardless of religion.
I pray every night for many in the world.
I learnt while living during various summers with Native Americans to pray for others first and not for one self or ones own first.
Therefore, I pray for peace & prosperity for the Muslims in the Middle East,first. Then I pray for Eastern Ukrainians,Putin & all those that suffer the abuses of the Zionists.
I was born a Christian and I will die a Christian. And Muslims have the same God given right to be Muslims always. And I defend their rights for this to be so.
God bless!
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea
@paul co–shot said “There is a reasonable probability that by the end of 2014 two of the other territorial
adjustments included in German war aims will have been achieved –
with both Ireland and Scotland having broken away from England.
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so ehre comes the english plotter who thinks that it is permissible for english scumbags to divide iraq but not uk.
ofocurse scotland msut be freed and so msut be occupied ireland wrongly called nothern ireland.
real enemy of humanity and of germany and russia is one and one only england. better to destroy that parasite english nation than put up with its miscxhief all the time.
England looks up to only those nations it had lost wars with, or which it knows can crush england in military confrontations. That is why england really has healthy respect for the germans who twice defeated england militarily in first and second world wars but were duped by English treachery in both wars and thus lost.In 1917 england was at capitulation despite ¾ th germans army at Russian front and in the Dunkirk hitler was duped into letting the defeated british army go without attack.that too when parasite coward england had resources of empire.
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Interesting, isn’t it, because on the one hand, british spies and the NSA class Germany as a third tier partner, in the same level as Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, China, all these target countries. And yet, on the other hand, they are saying: No, you are a partner, work with us and develop stuff for us. And they happily go along with it. So, the hypocrisy, I think, is quite stark
Heinz Guderian – master of the Blitzkrieg and father of modern tank warfare – commanded the German XIX Army Corps as it rampaged across Poland in 1939.
Personally leading the devastating attack which traversed the Ardennes Forest and broke through French lines, he was at the forefront of the race to the Channel coast. Only Hitler’s personal command to halt prevented Guderian’s tanks and troops turning Dunkirk into an English bloodbath. And as typical of the English they fled tha battle field as soon as possible-hitler gave them 3 full days ! All because vile coward liar Churchill promised something to hitler only token resistance to his ultimate aim-to destroy russia and (thus from brutish point of view germans too.).
Second and first world wars were organised by English—bags to let Germany fight the Russians –the English are too coward a race to fight anyone on their own. They need proxy-nazis, wahabi terrorists from Saudi Arabia, muzzahadiin etc.
Better to destroy that English nation and give relief to the human kind.
Considering the extent of the disaster(at battle of Auterlitzs and of Ulm before that in 1805 instigated by england with money stolen from India), The Austrian Emperor said
“THE ENGLISH ARE DEALERS OF HUMAN FLESH, THEY PAY OTHERS TO FIGHT AT THEIR PLACE”.
The Emperor forgot to mention that the payment is from the victim or some other pople’s wealth.
And English are too coward to fight on their own-they have never won a single war on their own since boar war in 1899 and that too with all resources of loot from empire.
With a force that peaked at almost half a million men, more than double the entire Boer population of the Transvaal, against an estimated 40,000 Boers in the field, the British expected an easy victory. Easy?
Docherty, Gerry; MacGregor, James (2013-07-04). Hidden History: The Secret Origins of the First World War (Kindle Locations 753-755). Mainstream Publishing. Kindle Edition.Wing-Commander Sir Arthur Harris (later Bomber Harris, head of wartime Bomber Command) was happy to emphasise that *The Arab and Kurd now know what real bombing means in casualties and damage. Within forty-five minutes a full-size village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or injured.*
“I do not understand this sqeamishness about the use of gas. I am strongly in favour of using poison gas against uncivilised tribes.” — Winston Churchill 1920
Poor brits, they will say anything to get attention. This is symptomatic of a depleted empire with horrific past.
Nazis crimes are dwarfed in comparison to what that evil empire did in the past. and now they are preaching morality? LOL
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Russia has had ample opportunity to work with the other U.N. member states so that sufficient evidence can be provided that shows Assad isn’t guilty of genocide. Russia have failed to do so. Why? Becuase Russia are complicit in this genocide.
Russia sold anti aircraft S 300 missiles to Iran then broke the contract under US pressure. It sold S 300 missiles to Syria but apparently can’t deliver them until the US has bombed Damascus back into the stone age
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If what is happening in Syria is the right way to effect “regime change”, an international fund should be started to support armed mercenary action in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Yemen, Turkey, UAE etc. in order to “democratise&qu ot; them. While we are about it, bring back the IRA and let the 50 million Irish Americans fund an insurgency in the British Protestant Colony of Northern Ireland – to form the United Catholic Republic of Ireland. Don’t forget Hawaii, stolen by the USA, arm the Hawaiian Sovereignty Movement, they want their land back!
In other words, put the shoe on the other foot and see if it fits!
James 16:31, Pragma 17:05, Juliana 18:53…I’m in agreement.
I appreciate Prosvirnin’s wordsmithery but the article fails in several important ways.
It doesn’t differentiate between the German ruling elite and the German populace nor does it recognize that there is a split in the German establishment: The West on the wrong path
Articles like Prosvirnin’s fail to inform the reader that the rulers of any country, regardless of its history and tendencies, usually have to prepare its population for war.I’m thinking, now, not so much of the “exceptional” US and the UK, but Germany and Japan–which, in recent years–have not played the role of empires.
These war preparations can be general but also very specific. The information I’m providing below is from WSWS. If “socialist” makes some people’s toes curl, I would point out that WSWS–while making clear its dislike of Putin’s nationalism and possible ties to oligarchs–has consistently defended Russia and Novorossiya vs. Kiev in the recent Ukrainian tumult.
How the revival of German militarism was prepared
The German government’s aggressive action in Ukraine and the massive propaganda campaign accompanying it have surprised many. German politicians and opinion makers have almost unanimously backed the fascist-led coup in Ukraine. They seek to outdo each other with demands for tougher measures against Moscow and denounce the German people, the majority of whom are clearly opposed to the war propaganda.
What shocked many was carefully prepared. For more than a year, 50 leading politicians, journalists, academics and military and business figures discussed a more aggressive German foreign policy in a project under the auspices of the government-aligned Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP, German Institute for International and Security Affairs) and the Washington-based think tank German Marshall Fund (GMF).
At the conclusion of the consultations last autumn, a paper was published entitled “New power, new responsibility: Elements of a German foreign and security policy for a changing world.” It provides a blueprint for the policies that are now being implemented in practice in the form of sanctions against Russia and the rearming of NATO. With the document, the German bourgeoisie is returning to militarist, great power politics following two world wars and horrific crimes.
A related, but less ideological and less Germany-focused, analysis by Christof Lehmann can be found here: The Atlantic Axis and the Making of a War in Ukraine
The war in Ukraine became predictable when the great Muslim Brotherhood Project in Syria failed during the summer of 2012. It became unavoidable in December 2012, when the European Union and Russia failed to agree on the EU’s 3rd Energy Package. The geopolitical dynamics which are driving the war in Ukraine were known in the early 1980s.
Would Russian leadership not be mindful of all of this? Would Putin, as an astute leader, not exploit all possible divisions or alliances?
As ordinary folks, I don’t know how much we can exploit but we should be informed in order to act, shouldn’t we? And while being aware of people like Prosvirnin and their thinking is useful, how useful is it to tromp around in their playground?
@Daniel Rich,
Thank you for article link.
I wonder how long they will continue to corner/monopolize the “victim hood” status?
They act like this because the only suffering that is worthy is *their* suffering. And of course, no Jews fan the flames of this absurdity by catering to their eternal (and I mean ETERNAL) whinings.
I hope EVERYONE here watches this documentary titled “Defamation” and shares it with all they know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liJ2v19o46A
James 16:31, Pragma 17:05, Juliana 18:53…I’m in agreement.
I appreciate Prosvirnin’s wordsmithery but the article fails in several important ways.
It doesn’t differentiate between the German ruling elite and the German populace nor does it recognize that there is a split in the German establishment: The West on the wrong path
Articles like Prosvirnin’s fail to inform the reader that the rulers of any country, regardless of its history and tendencies, usually have to prepare its population for war.I’m thinking, now, not so much of the “exceptional” US and the UK, but Germany and Japan–which, in recent years–have not played the role of empires.
These war preparations can be general but also very specific. The information I’m providing below is from WSWS. If “socialist” makes some people’s toes curl, I would point out that WSWS–while making clear its dislike of Putin’s nationalism and possible ties to oligarchs–has consistently defended Russia and Novorossiya vs. Kiev in the recent Ukrainian tumult.
How the revival of German militarism was prepared
The German government’s aggressive action in Ukraine and the massive propaganda campaign accompanying it have surprised many. German politicians and opinion makers have almost unanimously backed the fascist-led coup in Ukraine. They seek to outdo each other with demands for tougher measures against Moscow and denounce the German people, the majority of whom are clearly opposed to the war propaganda.
What shocked many was carefully prepared. For more than a year, 50 leading politicians, journalists, academics and military and business figures discussed a more aggressive German foreign policy in a project under the auspices of the government-aligned Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik (SWP, German Institute for International and Security Affairs) and the Washington-based think tank German Marshall Fund (GMF).
At the conclusion of the consultations last autumn, a paper was published entitled “New power, new responsibility: Elements of a German foreign and security policy for a changing world.” It provides a blueprint for the policies that are now being implemented in practice in the form of sanctions against Russia and the rearming of NATO. With the document, the German bourgeoisie is returning to militarist, great power politics following two world wars and horrific crimes.
A related, but less ideological and less Germany focused, analysis by Christof Lehmann can be found here: The Atlantic Axis and the Making of a War in Ukraine
The war in Ukraine became predictable when the great Muslim Brotherhood Project in Syria failed during the summer of 2012. It became unavoidable in December 2012, when the European Union and Russia failed to agree on the EU’s 3rd Energy Package. The geopolitical dynamics which are driving the war in Ukraine were known in the early 1980s.
Would Russian leadership not be mindful of all of this? Would Putin, as an astute leader, not exploit all possible divisions or alliances?
As ordinary folks, I don’t know how much we can exploit but we should be informed in order to act, shouldn’t we? And while being aware of people like Prosvirnin and their thinking is useful, how useful is it to tromp around in their playground?
Human,
Let me second Larchmonter’s praise. You nailed it. I know I sound like a broken record, but now what?
Mohamed,
Again, I’d love to be able to believe you but some cahoots, with all the death and destruction. And how on earth is *any* of it an illusion? If only! ;~)
Daniel Rich and Eagle ete,
PTSD has in fact been found to travel on down through the generations: traumatized parents can in fact traumatize their children, and harm them unintentionally in many ways.
That said, the holocaust lasted what, seven years? How many Palestinians have lived their lives penned up in camps, or being attacked in Gaza and the Occupied Territories — just since 1948, when that damned place was officially created (plenty of lost property and lives well before that, of course). Just who owes whom reparations now, fewgawdsakes?
But I wouldn’t call what’s going on now garden-variety Narcissism: it’s malignant as hell. I’d just like to think, since America is up to her eyeballs in all of this, that more than 5% of us (the Israeli figure, btw) are vehemently opposed. I’d *like* to think it, but I’m really not sure… dammit all.
@Eagle Eye,
You said:
“Anyone wondering about the jewish/zionist domination of the history of WW2 suffering should do some reading on narcissism.
That mental disorder describes to perfection how the J/Z cult behaves.”
I do not agree with you that is “narcissism”.It is—Megalomania.
Meaning of megalomaniac:
“The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved”.
“Greed for power: an excessive enjoyment in having power over other people and a craving for more of it”.
“Psychiatric disorder with delusions of power: a psychiatric disorder in which the patient experiences delusions of great power and importance”.
I thought these words were befitting what we are discussing.
“But I am in so far in blood that sin will pluck on sin. Tear-falling pity dwells not in this eye”
Modern text—-“ But I’m steeped so deep in blood by now that one sin has to follow the next. I have no tears of pity for anyone.”
—Richard III William Shakespeare
(Zionists to a tee.)
As political orations go, this was relatively short—some 3,400 words— and to the point. The opening remarks are still widely remembered and used after 2,000 years:
“Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia?”
“How long, O Catiline( read Anglo Zionists & Zionists Jews), will you abuse our patience? And for how long will that madness of yours mock us? To what end will your unbridled audacity hurl itself?”
– Marcus Tullius Cicero, the consul of Rome/ 63 BC
“Fascism was not properly buried in Europe”.
Askapena statement, internationalist organization linked to Basque National Liberation Movement:
http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=188458
Although I do not participate in this movement, and I have my reservations with them, in this particular case, I agree with everything it says the manifesto.
Dear Saker
I read Prosvirnin’s appeal yesterday and was deeply impressed. He has every right to send this message of anger. I’m from Eastern Germany and there I got a solid antifascist education. So it’s unbelievable for me to see how our Government acts. The German behavior in the Ukraine-Russia issue is a disgrace.
The German Government is common with a Ukrainian coup Government, openly active fascists belong. There is a civil war with countless war crimes against its own civilians, and absolutely nothing happened in the German society. OK, there are the Monday rallies in some larger cities, but be hushed up or disparaged as extremists. Anyway, the anti-Russian propaganda in all TV stations and print media is a disaster. Never I thought, this total conformity of reporting, e.g. the complete ignoring of the Odessa massacre or the lack of interest on the MH17 possible.
There is no relevant opposition in the German Parliament, Merkel’s CDU/CSU and Steinmeier’s SPD form the Government with a huge majority. The “GRÜNEN” as a former civil rights and ecology party with their hatred of Russia are worse than our Government. The only real criticism comes from the “LINKE” with Gregor Gysi, but even he always says, that Putin also does much wrong.
The citizens must recognize that the consequences of Government policy, no matter whether only economic decline or actually war, affect everyone even. A first step to a change can be despite the open talk to inform about the truth behind of the propaganda and to destroy the faith that Merkel makes it all right. It is time that we Germans will finally wake up. Maybe “a good, strong, slap in the face” is very helpful. Unfortunately, the vast majority will never read this appeal.
My name is Egor Prosvirnin, I am the chief editor of the Russian site sputnikipogrom.com which advocates European values. I’ve heard that one of the aspects of life that Europeans, and Germans especially, cherish is history.
If you read this first sentence and couldn’t discern the work of a clever ‘person’ than you STILL haven’t learned a goddam thing about how NOT to be manipulated.
Prosvirnin wants emnity between Germans and Russians. The fact he mixes truth with a narrative of victimization should be a very strong clue.
@Saker —
I know you post these things to encourage debate but sometimes there’s too much flowing out and this is a good place to excercise your editorial prerogatives.
I would much prefer if you tried to handle the historic ‘truths’ Prosvirnin alludes to but in no way respects.
From Aztlan…
Let´s not forget that the word untermensch, is precisely of the German language.
And even if it was coined during the
Hitlerian Reich, the definition has been acted out through history on countless occasions. It is precisely the reason of this conflict in Ukraine. Whether europeans, not just the German Volk, will understand that it is to their advantage to have a strong alliance with Russia, will depend not on good Reasons, or strong arguments, it will happen when they will be in need of Humanitarian aid themselves.
Wait for hunger or cold, or heaven forbid, for bullets whizzing by their heads, or worse.
At That time might be too late.
Europeans are having a small taste of the Sanctions fruit, and DC won´t help. Do the Polish really think that Washington State will open their arms to Polish apples? No wonder the many stereotypes on the Poles.
Europeans are too busy enjoying their lives, and perversions.
Americans are about to enter the yearly Baccanalia of American Football, will become the perfect sportie zombies for the nex seven months. This is an ideal time for many moves that can change the course of events.
Putin moved Moscow to Crimea, for
the week, and many changes have come for Donbass. Now, there is the talk that Akhmetov will send his Own convoy of Humanitarian Aid, 200 trailers worth, could it be that that wondering Moscow Humanitarian Aid convoy could turn into
Akhmetov´s convoy? it is quite a few million dollars worth. Would that be the cost of the changes on the leadership of the NovoRussia?
Coincidences, as Khodakovsky reappeared and declared that His view is for a United Ukraine, Khodakovsky of course is Akhmetov´s man on the ground, Kurgynian being his mouthpiece, both de facto enemys of Strelkov.
Would Strelkov´s removal, pardon resignation, have a negative effect on the militias? He became the spirit of the NovoRussia Army, Orthodox Russian, No smoking, no drinking, no looting, no swearing, but he also was the advocate of the liberation of Kiev, not just the Donbass. Moral is the largest part of an Army´s strength, we have seen that so far, Strelkov´s militias have been the backbone of the Resistance.
But, Putin also advocates the United Ukraine, that was his line from the start.
Strelkov did not tow the line, and he became increasingly vocal about the lack of support from Moscow. Surkov – another Publicist- seems to be Akhmetov´s man, and he stands on the right shoulder of Putin.
Has the Donbass resistance been emasculated? Probably the whole NovoRussia project has, Time will tell. Or the next few days.
Of course, Putin will decide the outcome, he has declared that “Russia will do everything possible to finish the Ukrainian crisis”. At the same event he declared “We have to develop our country with calm, dignity and efficiency, without barricading ourselves from the outer world or breaking ties with partners, but also without allowing anyone to treat us with disrespect,”
http://rt.com/news/180268-putin-russia-mobilize-confrontation/
When Henry VIII’s “aristocracy of money” looted Church property in the 1530’s, English monarchy became subordinated to the resultant secret societies.
After Cromwell was massively funded to kill the king and re-admit the Jews, traditionally celebrated as 1656, Talmudic globalism was added to English satanism; the result was the anti-human empire bent upon world mastery.
Today the people of the united “kingdom” are sunk in socio-moral despair inflicted by the Anglo-Zionist 1%, and there is nothing they can do against total brutal control. Ditto the frantic populations of all five eyes of the Evil Empire.
In condemning the mass murdered, occupied, then again mass murdered and colonised Germans, Egor Prosvirnin is merely deflecting guilt that can only be Judaic. After 20 years of the God sent Internet, those who still think the War guilt is German really want not to know the truth.
Dear Saker,
Thank you for your open dialogue to the world. Thanks to you and the open letter to Germans open the discussion where we are with our opinion and where the world is heading.
I’m a half German, my heritage is coming from Bavaria and I’m in shock the so many participants /especially Germans /on this blog didn’t get the message and they were attacking you even ridiculing you / you are double sided, how ridiculous accusation /.
Don’t worry these are just reactions from the people who never had a time to process the horrifying experiences from the WWII and they don’t understand that in right now if Germany is not going to wake up, it could be a total disaster as a result and Germany and the Europe could be destroyed as it happen in the past.
I’m in my grandma age and it was just a blessing to watch these young people in Germany to organize those open meeting calling for peace.This my very strong hope, that this coming new generation will stand up to this slavery.
Opponents of this letter still don’t understand that there is no difference between Russians or Germans, there is no difference between Chinese or Americans all of us we have a feelings and we just want to live in peace, have a nice family and enjoy the life and bring as much as possible for the world by our knowledge, education,skills and so on.
Every single nation can bring into the world basket something very beautiful what we share all of us.
I really hope that the attack like “Sputnik Morons” was written only by the instant anger reaction and it wasn’t meant by the constant hatred and just don’t wan’t to see the solution in horizon…….
Peace and love to everyone we shouldn’t make Uncle Sam happy, he already divided us very badly.
Struggle for history
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