Uncle Bob 1
You must either be connected to the “exiles” that either supported the dictator Batista,or who loved the US so much more than they loved Cuba.And that left their country to “flee” to the US for economic reasons. Its always good to put money over patriotism, I suppose.Just ask the 5th columns in Ukraine and Russia.They know all about that too. Or,maybe instead you are one that just buys the US MSM propaganda about the “evil” Castro. After all anyone who stands up to the US must be evil,right. After all we all “know” Putin too is an incarnation of evil.Since the MSM tells us daily he is,it must be true.But lets look at Castro’s record ,compared not to the US,the US record of killing is so enormous,that any comparison favors Castro by any calculation. But by Latin American standards. We can start with Cuba itself. The first Cuban Revolution against Spain in 1868-1878 led to the deaths of 300,000 Cubans in the war.The last revolution against Spain 1895-1898 cost the lives of another estimated 300,000 Cubans. A revolt against discrimination by people of color in 1912 cost 3-6,000 lives (mostly murdered).The 1933 revolution,that led to the unrest that helped cause Castro’s 1953-58 Cuban Revolution was a bloody war of the secret police against the “people”. And at its end mobs of common citizens went crazed with fury and hung police and other supporters of the dictator from lampposts,and sacked and burned the homes of wealthy pro-dictator supporters.Many pro-dictator elements fled to the US (we maybe see a pattern here).After the horrors of the Batista dictatorships torture chambers, and publicly hanging of his opponents (in Holguin,the Bastiano leader there “decorated” the trees in the city one Easter with 23 of Batista’s enemies as a warning to the “people”.He paid for his crimes,but his relatives escaped to Florida and conduct anti-Cuban activities as of today).At the “Triumph of the Revolution” Castro asked the people not to repeat the events of 1933,and take personal revenge on the killers. He said the new government would punish them.Many of the big leaders of the Batista forces,and some of the lower down killers escaped to “exile” in Florida. But many others were arrested,tried,and executed by firing squad.The US condemned the executions for not being “fair” trials. Though they also admit that most of those were probably guilty as charged.I suppose Castro could have not done that. He could have allowed the “people” to slaughter them as was done in 1933 instead. But he felt that,being a lawyer himself,that there had to be a trial and official justice.Not just personal revenge.So now we can move to other areas of Latin America. First to the good friend of the US next door to Cuba,the Dominican Republic. The pro-US dictator there Trujillo is estimated to have murdered 50,000 or more during his rule.Afterwards the US invaded and occupied the country until a pro-US President was installed. He is estimated to have killed 11,000 Dominicans during his years in power (by even US reports ). In Chile the pro-US regime of Pinochet ,according to US reports (a gross under count I think) “investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured” . As well as many thousands that fled Chile. In Argentina,one dictator after the other left a body count.So lets just look at the last dictatorship instead of all of them. In the “dirty war” upwards of 11,000 are reported to have surely been killed. With at least double that “disappeared”. With the Argentine regime stating as they left power in 1983 that the disappeared were dead.In Colombia the “La Violenica” of 1948-1958 killed an estimated 200,000 people in that war.The latest revolutionary war in Colombia is estimated to (so far) have killed 220,000 people. Including 177,000 plus civilians. In Peru between 1980-2000,the revolution there killed and disappeared almost 70,000 people.In Brazil,Uruguay,Bolivia,Venezuela,Paraguay,the US backed regimes there killed hundreds if not thousands of their enemies during the years that Castro was leader of Cuba.But lets not leave it just with South America. Lets look at at Central America in those years.In El Salvador the US backed regime killed (by UN estimate ) more than 75,000 people.Another 9,000 “disappeared”,550,000 were “displaced”,and 500,000 fled to other countries. In Nicaragua the US backed dictatorship killed thousands up until 1978. But then in the wars to oust them,and the US counter-revolution to regain US control,an estimated 40,000 were killed.In Guatemala,after constant US backed dictators.The people put in a reformer as President( Arbenz).But the US couldn’t tolerate that. So they organized a coup. And the dictators from then ,until the 1990’s. Killed an estimated 140-200,000 people that opposed them (mostly civilians). I’ll leave the horrors of “non-Cuban” Latin America in that period there. Leaving the deaths in Mexico and Honduras not talked about. Though they would number in the thousands beyond question. And instead will leave with a recounting of the US backed regime in Indonesia.That was also “acting” at the same time span as Castro. Even a internal CIA report (leaked) said of the regime that “the massacres” rank as one of the worst mass murders of the 20th century. And on a par with the nazis in WWII.Estimates of the murdered run from 500,000 to 2,000,000 plus. With 1,000,000 usually given for a total. But lets not think that was the last. The US backed regime invaded East Timor in 1975,and during their years of rule killed an estimated 180,000 Timorese.Some might say “yes but that doesn’t excuse Castro”.Maybe so,but it set the scene for the time period. And it also should make people ask themselves “how do you deal with a regime like the US. That has no qualms with using mass murder for their ends. And subverts bad and weak elements throughout the World (and especially Latin America) to do their bidding”.If you are not constantly on guard,you would fall as Arbenz,Goulart,Bosch,Allende,etc,etc,did to US backed “regime change”. Had he not been hard on US stooges,he would have seen Cuban “maidan’s” backed by US troops constantly.I ask myself “what would I do to keep the nation independent” And then I say,”Viva Fidel,hasta la victoria siempre”.
Thanks, Uncle Bob 1 and Mod, for providing this overview of US vile violence. It puts the Castro connundrum into an understandable context.
“But lets look at Castro’s record, compared not to the US, the US record of killing is so enormous, that any comparison favors Castro by any calculation.”
The word killing might just as well be replaced by “torture, murder, war, and incarceration”. Guantánamo almost takes the statement to the point of caricature.
Excellent choice for featured comment mod.
Uncle Bob is an absolutely encyclopedic mine of historical correction.
I’ve probably learned more from one of his posts than a shelf full of ‘history’ books.
Will bookmark this.
Ps would love to see him above the line on a regular basis – a little editing, including of his idiosyncratic punctuation ?(:-) and his posts would make excellent articles.
Thanks again.
I sometimes think that perfect punctuation and editing is what the CrapOrCrap US fake media is good at.
A bit of orthographic and grammatical ‘dirt’ is human and proof of independence.
The nuggets of gold are still there aplenty.
It is easy to point to Castro and say, “He did X, Y, and Z,” all bad. In the case of the US, when bad stuff occurs it just happens, if it is even acknowledged at all. Or nobody did it. Few Americans know the villainy of Allen Dulles. At his death, the papers wrote glowing tributes; an airport was named after him, the nation mourned. Dulles worked for the committee of the few; Castro was his own man, but even he had to make accommodations. I wonder if his Marxism was one such accommodation.
Dulles International Airport (DIA) opened in 1962 and was named after John Foster Dulles the former US Secretary of State from 1953 until his death in 1959 who served under President Dwight D. Eisenhower. In those days John Foster Dulles’ name daily filled newspaper headlines and newscasts. And, while as brothers they held the same name, the name Allen Dulles was hardly on Americans’ radar as neither was the term CIA.
The two Dulles played an important role in their crusade against communism/socialism and the USSR by unconfesable and illegal means hided from the US citizens/taxpayers and their representatives
Both Dulles brothers were related, as member of directive teams, to certain banks and corporations who played a determinant role in fuelling the German Nazi war machine, also are related to whatever happened to Stepan Bandera and the foundation of Radio Free Europe:
To see the role played by the two Dulles brothers in fuelling the Nazi war machine pre-WWII see:
https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2016/11/28/los-falsificadores-de-la-historia-nota-sovietica-publicada-en-febrero-de-1948/
Excerpt:
“The well-known Banca Schröder, dominated by the German steel trust Vereinigte Stahlwerke, founded by Stinnes Thyssen and other industrial magnates of the Ruhr, with headquarters in New York and London, is a characteristic example of the interpenetration of American, German, and English capital. Allan Dulles, director of London, Cologne and Hamburg headquarters at the I. G. Schröder Banking Corporation in New York, played a major role here. The famous litigation company Sullivan and Cromwell played an eminent role in the New York headquarters of the Schröder bank. The company Sullivan and Cromwell was headed by John Foster Dulles, who is currently the principal adviser to M. Marshall. His company is closely linked to the world oil trust, Standard Oil of the Rockefellers, and also to the Chase National Bank, the most powerful bank in the United States, which has invested immense capital in German industry.”
Also see:
http://www.panshin.com/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html
On whatever happened to Stepan Bandera:
https://es.scribd.com/document/235113917/O-S-S-Plans-tipoff-of-Nazi-Collaborator-Stepan-Bandera
On the origins of Radio Free Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty
“The United States funded a long list of projects to counter the Communist appeal among intellectuals in Europe and the developing world.[15] RFE was developed out of a belief that the Cold War would eventually be fought by political rather than military means.[16] American policymakers such as George Kennan and John Foster Dulles acknowledged that the Cold War was essentially a war of ideas. The implementation of surrogate radio stations was a key part of the greater psychological war effort.[13]”
If there is telepathy, you Mod just proved it now. Only yesterday was thinking about Uncle Bob 1 comments, (this comment struck my mind earlier) and wanted to write an appreciation at the Cafe. Well, Uncle Bob 1 deserves the greatest appreciation in my view, as one of those who are the best political annalists, with a great knowledge of history, geography, social-care, economy, and political situation related to specific regions, countries, be it in the past or in the present. His reasoning is well constructed, informed and balanced, following the path of reality – on the ground, or in the supposed future events. His sometimes “harder” approach to specific events are part of his willingness to find justice. Thanks Uncle Bob 1 for being here !
My feeling is the same.
This comment stayed in my mind.
And I did use some points from it with my friends that belongs to Zion…
Well said, UB1. The subhuman traitors that make up israel’s hasbara screeching faggot network (“cough”, pindo conservative talk radio) have been operating in overdrive spewing the usual gay edgar hoover type nonsense about Castro, and the left, and even against right wingers who showed respect to Castro.
Back in the late 80’s, John Stockwell was quoting figures of at least 5-6 million people killed through either direct american aggressive war making (Korea & Vietnam) or through their dictator proxy regimes. This figure being only those murdered by violent action, and doesn’t take into account those who suffered maiming and injury, victims of disease and malnutrition these zpc/nwo colonial war crimes created.
“Some might say ‘yes but that doesn’t excuse Castro’. Maybe so, but it set the scene for the time period. And it also should make people ask themselves ‘how do you deal with a regime like the US /…/ ?’ “
The “Maybe so” in the quote above is the only tiny part of UB1:s excellent submission I would take issue with — Castro was dead right in his famous proclamation “History will absolve me”. Revolutions have to deal harshly with their hard-core enemies, both at home and abroad. And this immediately brings us to the next question (short version):
“How do you deal with a regime like the US?”
And the Cubans saw the light there too: They allied themselves with the USSR and the Eastern bloc. Without the Soviets and the Comecon, Cuba would have fallen prey to imperialism just like Grenada did a quarter of a century later — totally and utterly defenceless.
Will Western Europe ever understand, as did the Cubans, that making Russia an ally would be a prodigious way out of the chaos and squalor? Think “Merkel nach Sibirien, Putin nach Betlin” becoming the rallying call throughout the entire horrible You’re_a_peon Union…
That’s a good question, tomorrow we will have some sort of answers in Italy and Austria. In the following months and year will have more. How will act the people, what an impact will have the inauguration of Trump in Europe ? many questions there.
Not for the first time I wonder why Europe just doesn’t hire the RF for ‘security’.
Are the Baltics that much of an impediment?
Maybe the rise of populist nationalism will bring about the demise of the NATO fiction of ‘protection.’
An added bonus – RF is bound to be cheaper than the current mob of bilking parasites.
One question seems to be solved : Norbert Hofer accepted defeat.
Yes its sad. His campaign manager summed it up best,,“In this case the establishment – which pitched in once again to block, to stonewall, and to prevent renewal – has won”. Which to me shows the fate for other states that try the foolish “voting” method for freedom. The elite is “strong”,stronger than we like to believe.And to think they will “give up power” without it being pried from “their cold dead hands” is ludicrous.They are still working to undermine Brexit (and very well may success). And in France,I believe they will cut their losses and support Fillon. Thinking that he will be easier for them to control. As you may recall “Sarkozy” when in power was also called “a friend of Putin’s”.And yet he did nothing for Russia.Maybe one day we will learn.But that day ,obliviously isn’t here yet.
Another question is in it’s way, Italy. People voted “No” to Matteo Renzi’s plan. Well, this old guy, “the Buffon” how many call him, has won. Beppe Grillo is a man, who came out from almost nothing, having his shows, and now he looks to be “king maker”. Oh, Rome, where is thy home ? the “buffon” Grillo is laughing in his pillow.
Are you saying that even clowns can make the Anglo-Zionist leadership look like fools?
The great Arseny Tarkovsky in his masterpiece, Andrei Rublev, cast Russia’s beloved clown, Yuri Nikulin, in the role of an Archbishop tortured to death by the Mongols and their Russian Princeling ‘allies’.
Why does that remind me of USSD/CIA run Quisling Ukraine today?
Is time an illusion which serves only to allow costume changes?
http://www.moscow.info/children/nikulin-circus.aspx
That’s the case.
Good-Bye, Comandante! ‘Fidel Castro Was David Who Defeated Goliath’
https://sputniknews.com/politics/201612031048133811-cuba-castro-sovereignty/
“Fidel Castro was David who defeated Goliath,” Frei Betto told Sputnik, “According to the Cubans, 634 attempts had been made to kill him. And he died in his bed last month. He managed to bring Cuba to a top position among other Latin American states in terms of living standards.”
A montage of Fidel’s funeral today and the revolution:
http://tass.com/world/916489
https://www.rt.com/news/369154-fidel-cuba-funeral-santiago/
https://www.rt.com/in-vision/369158-cuba-bids-farewell-to-fidel/
Yes,I see that as an insult to Cuba. While it was very good to see several Latin American and African leaders (past and present) at the funeral .It was saddening “not” to see other World leaders. Especially those from countries Cuba always supported. It shows (once again) the great power of the US in the World. That leaders from those countries were so fearful to displease the US.They didn’t “dare” to go and pay their respects to a giant in modern World history.
Uncle Bob You do not know anything about Chile and President Pinochet. ¿3000 killed? at leat 900 inocente civilian and military forces killed by leftist guerrilla. ¿30.000 tortured? who told you that? ¿the left? check your sources. ¿80.000 left Chile? probably yes, but for economics reasons most of them.
You are wrong concerning President Pinochet. Please read Out of the Ashes: Life, Death, and Transfiguration of Democracy in Chile, 1833-1988 from James R. Whelan
Castro is a criminal and Guevara also. There is no relation among Mr Putin and those criminals.