Masoud Barzani has overplayed his hand – no regional powers are going to assent to partition of Iraq
by Pepe Escobar for the Asia Times
Wily clannish capo Masoud Barzani, president of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), has announced that “Yes” won Monday’s non-binding independence referendum. Now that index fingers in indelible indigo ink are out of the way, the real battle between the KRG and Baghdad begins. Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and the Iraqi Supreme Court have denounced the referendum as “unconstitutional.”
Kurds comprise roughly 22% of an Iraqi population of 32 million. They are mostly Sunni and speak an Indo-European language close to Farsi. Iraqi Kurds have enjoyed significant autonomy since Daddy Bush installed a no-fly zone over northern Iraq, post-Desert Storm, in 1991. They were instrumental in helping Shock and Awe in 2003, and the Peshmerga (Iraqi Kurdistan’s standing force) are de facto US allies, fighting Islamic State – with US air cover – after the collapse of the Iraqi Army and the phony Caliphate’s conquest of Mosul in 2014. Their dreams of secession from Iraq have been paramount for almost three decades.
Yet the KRG is far from a bed of mountain flowers. Inside it, the crucial vector is the rivalry between Erbil and Sulaimaniya. Erbil, largely tribal, is run by the Barzani clan. Sulaimaniya, way more cultured, is run by the Talibani clan, and its Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) party has close ties with Iran. Masoud Barzani is viewed in Sulaimaniya as no more than a crude opportunist.
The referendum was held in the three KRG provinces – Erbil, Sulaimaniya and Dohuk – but also, crucially, in the ultimate powder-keg governorate of Kirkuk, the oil Mecca of northern Iraq, which has a mixed population of Kurds, Arabs (Sunni and Shi’ite) and Turkmen.
Barzani’s timing was extremely clever. Since 2014, more than three million non-Kurds have fled Kirkuk and its environs, headed for Turkey and Syria, as Barzani profited from the fight against ISIS to annex the province and conduct his own “soft” brand of ethnic cleansing.
It’s the oil, stupid
Kurds also compose 20% of a Turkish population of 75 million. As much as the Peshmerga have never tangled with Baghdad’s forces, Ankara has not invaded the KRG. The referendum, though, led Turkey’s President Erdogan to dramatically raise the stakes. “Our military is not (at the border) for nothing,” he has said. “We could arrive suddenly one night.”
This knock on the door brings us to the inevitable holy of holies: oil. As Erdogan stressed, “let’s see through which channels the northern Iraqi regional government will send its oil, or where it will sell it. We have the tap. The moment we close the tap, then it’s done.”
Erdogan certainly has done his math on how an independent KRG might possibly survive under threat from Ankara, with oil selling for less than $60 a barrel, and under the weight of its own military spending, corruption and incompetence.
Nawzad Adham, general director of the KRG’s Trade and Industry Ministry, rates business with Turkey and Iran at over US$10 billion a year. The KRG needs to import no less than 95% of its agricultural produce from Turkey and Iran. And, once again, the KRG totally depends on Ankara for exporting 550,000 barrels of oil a day.
Baghdad rules these exports as totally illegal. The KRG controls over 40% of Iraq’s oil and its estimated reserves are around 45 billion barrels of oil and 150 trillion cubic meters of gas. Much to Baghdad’s ire, the KRG may be pocketing 25% of Iraq’s total oil revenue.
So (oily) mountain flowers do bloom. Following an October 2011 deal with Exxon Mobil (when US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson was still its CEO), a deal which did not get Baghdad’s approval, Total is investing in the Shaikan oil field. Rosneft signed a multi-billion dollar contract to build a new gas pipeline – and quite probably would not have done if they didn’t have security guarantees from Ankara. And British Gulf Keystone Petroleum is also getting in on the action.
Still, the real kingmaker is Turkey’s BOTAŞ Petroleum Pipeline Corporation. And Erdogan is right: it takes just an index finger down to completely halt the oil flow to the Mediterranean port of Ceyhan. Erdogan’s key demand to the KRG post-referendum is non-negotiable: no declaration of independence.
And what about the Syrian Kurds?
Barzani has been spinning wildly that the KRG’s “partnership” with Baghdad is over. In doing so, he has managed to obfuscate the fact that the KRG took over Kirkuk province only because the Iraqi Army folded when faced with ISIS in June 2014. And he actually praised ISIS’ occupation of Mosul because he saw it as a perfect opening for the partition of Iraq.
Still, it was Iraqis – and crucially, Shi’ite militias: the Popular Mobilization Units (PMUs) – who actually took back what ISIS had invaded. Kurds only cared about defending KRG territory. And Tehran has a point when stressing that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) actually saved the Kurds from ISIS: the PMUs, after all, were weaponized and supported by Iranian advisors drawn from the elite Quds Force.
Even though Kirkuk’s oil fields are currently controlled by the Peshmerga, Barzani would never be foolish enough to engage in a war against Baghdad over Kirkuk, especially if the PMUs are involved. For all practical purposes, that would mean war against Iran as well.
If that was not perilous enough, mix it with what the Syrian Kurds are up to. Abdul Kader Hevidili, deputy commander of the US-supported Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) swears Syrian Kurds fully support Barzani’s drive for total independence.
Emboldened because they currently control 25% of Syria’s territory and arguably 40% of oil and gas if they manage to keep the energy-rich province of Deir-Ezzor (not a done deal), Syrian Kurds are themselves
aiming for a federation before daring to dream of forming their own state. The inevitable – lethal – counterpunch will be a Damascus-Ankara alliance, as a Syrian Kurd-KRG independence-minded axis is the stuff of Erdogan’s nightmares.
So Tehran is allied with Baghdad as well as Ankara in wishing to prevent any partition of Iraq, much to the displeasure of the Western axis.
Barzani’s hand is actually far from stellar. The KRG’s only real, practical, chance of economic survival lies in a deal with Erdogan to ensure oil exports proceed smoothly. But what Erdogan would want in return is totally unthinkable – the KRG forcing the PKK in Turkey and the YPG in Syria to lie low. For the PKK, Barzani is no more than a thug.
So it’s not bye-bye Sykes-Picot. Far from it – even though Iraq will continue to be split. Baghdad is actually getting stronger – as part of the “4+1” (Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq plus Hezbollah) that for all practical purposes has won the war in Syria. None of these actors – or Turkey, which is involved in the Astana negotiations – wants partition of either Syria or Iraq.
Moreover, Russia is also back as Iraq’s partner on the military front, selling it a “large batch” of T-90 tanks for US$1 billion – something that implies a stronger, anti-partition Iraqi Army.
That good ol’ project of balkanizing “Syraq,” via ISIS, might have flown out of the window just to reappear by the door in the guise of Kurdish separatism. Tough luck. Not only is the entire non-Kurdish Arab street against it, but so are the powers that be in Baghdad, Damascus, Tehran, Ankara, and Moscow. Expect major turbulence ahead.
Putin says no.
Kurds will not get what Barzani and the US and Israel want.
And Putin has massive proxy armies to use to enforce his will. Turkey, PMUs, Syrian, Shiite militias already in Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah if necessary, as well as Iraqi army and AF.
So, diplomacy will rule and the US and Israel are not at the table for this.
The Kurds will comply to Russia in Syria. Barzani may take some forceful moves, probably by Turkey and maybe Iraq. Baghdad has a lot to lose and will crush the Kurds if they don’t back down.
The dynamics is really rudimentary. No one can afford for the Kurds to prevail in Iraq or Syria. And the Kurds are delusional if they think the US and Israel will do anything more than arm them. It is a suicide pact engineered by US-Israeli desperation to maintain hegemonic interests and frustrate Iran and Russia in the region.
The Kurds will lose much of what they have now if they resist Turkey, Iran and Russia. Those “outsiders” change the force dynamics for the two nations Kurds want to split up, Syria and Iraq.
Kurds have no defenses against the massive airpower of the triad. Getting armor, artillery and other logistical support from the US and Israel will do them no good. A few days of air strikes and they will be destroyed.
The Kurds have their election. Now, the best thing for them is to take the first offer Putin allows them. It will be the most generous.
“So, diplomacy will rule and the US and Israel are not at the table for this.”
^^^this is why the US will try to sabotage diplomacy by inciting conflict.
US warplanes will bomb Kurds and claim it was the Russians.
Those US F18s painted in Russian colors aren’t there for nothing.
Such is the fate of US allies/vassals – being bombed by the Americans
“If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas”
@author,
Pepe, we can always count on your excellent take of the situation.
@ratm
More like diplomacy backed by guns, which will work. Barzani has to be deposed off one way or the other as he is illegitimate power usurper.
This is quite a sensible conclusion of what may happen with the Kurds. Let’s hope they wise up…
Agreed mostly. Turkey holds the key for oil transportation as Kurds don’t have access to open seas at this moment. Two routes have been shut down, one at Idlip region in the north-west and the other at Jordan border for the oil to be transported to Israel. Without oil Kurdistan is a pipe dream and on top of that no regional power will allow a Kurdistan (a.k.a. second Israel) in the region. As Pepe said, Syria won the war with Iran, Hizbullah and now Turkey is becoming an ally in this coalition, out of necessity. I am not so sure how Russia’s strategy will play out. On one side Russia has excellent relationships with Israel and they still keep YPG offices in Moscow and on the other side Russia avoids to side openly with Israel as this would cause his current status and friendship to be lost in Syria and especially with Iran and Turkey. Russia has cut an oil deal with Kurdish authorities a few months ago, thus Russia is betting currently on both sides. I think a tightly controlled autonomy of kurds in Syria and in Iraq could be a compromise and the only way for the kurds to go. Otherwise they will lose everything, unless they come to their senses.
@It’s the oil, stupid
In 2003 people questioning the Iraqi invasion was given the same answer. A few nevertheless were retorting: ‘It’s the oil for Israel, stupid’.
It’s the economic power oil represents, and who controls it and what they do with that power, who they align with and whether they can be manipulated effectively. That is the crux of the matter for oil states.
Exactly, @pessimist.
It’s the economic power the oil represents. Only a fool would want to pump and sell the oil as fast as possible.
The region (Iran, Iraq, Syria) has enough oil to displace the Saudis as swing producer. It means they could dictate the price of oil worldwide. It would give them a LOT of economic and political power. And it would leave the AZE to squawk “Russia! Russia! Russia!” as it fades into irrelevance on the world stage…
“Expect major turbulence ahead”. Not necessarily. A show of massive disapproval, backed by massive force, can quieten the boldest dog. Both Dr.Assad and Pres.Putin offer negotiations over limited Kurdish autonomy; Pres.Abadi may do likewise. To create major turbulence inside the Kurdish areas, Uncle $cam would have to inject major US armed forces into Syraq to counter the rapidly forming Arch of Stability (4+1) — has Uncle the stomach for such a major fight after the double disgrace of “Operation Eternal Freedom” 2003 and “Operation Inherent Resolve” 2011? Besides, major turbulence around Kirkuk would blip the profits of “Dear Lord Rothschild” who owns major oil wells in that area. The only party to benefit from major turbulence blowing in a Free Kurdistan would be the Oded-Yinonites of Israel; can they convince Trump’s Jewish daughter to plead with Daddy to let loose the US Dogs of War in yet another major expensive Operation for Uncle’s favourite nephew, little Izzie?
To Dr. NG
Excellent comment.
The Kurds have always had lousy leaders. Barzani is an agent of Mossad and only thinks of his own personal interests. Plenty of Kurds were in ISIS. So easy to change uniform.
Pepe is suggesting that the USA was fighting ISIS. That is as ridiculous as claiming that a group of Saudis destroyed 3 of the biggest skyscrapers in New York.
Alfred, where does Pepe say that the USA was fighting DAESH- Al-Queda-Al Nusra in the above article?
Show me.
Here he says,”That good ol’ project of balkanizing “Syraq,” via ISIS, might have flown out of the window just to reappear by the door in the guise of Kurdish separatism. Tough luck.”
Everyone knows that “that Good ol’ project” was AZ Empire and implemented mostly by corrupted, Stupid mind-controlled American Brawn on behalf of British and Israeli brains and cunning.
Especially Pepe. who knew this long before most, including quite probably YOU!
Now, what you may not understand is that the sorcerers in the Occult Bureau of British intelligence and Tel Aviv are in fact fighting “ISIS”….(but of course not THEIR proxy armies of jihadists).
How? By naming Daesh “Isis”after one of the oldest pillars of the archetype “Holy Family” symbolizing the Sacred Feminine, True Care, and Compassion. As something to be obliterated, just like the WTC towers were, in order to erect their “Big (phallic) One” at the preconceived (I would submit before David Rockefeller broke ground on the complex) address of 1 World (trade center…..lol).
For the benefit of an Empire run by FEAR, force and mind control.
Once again, it is irrelevant what you or we believe or understand about such Holy Family” archetypes as Osirus Isis and Horus (including the Christian one)……911 was THEIR manifestation ritual…not yours or mine. To defeat them it were useful to comprehend the ways they subliminally affect the minds and emotions of their victims.
So you can stop being their victim by posting such nonsense as the idea that Escobar does not understand that Daesh is an AZE asset.
The internal Kurdish relations might play a much bigger role. Like Escobar briefly mentions the relations between the KDP of Barzani clan and the PUK of the Talabani clan are strained to put it mildly. They have opposite ideas on nearly every political, military and social issue. They also battled each other in the past and Barzani turned to the Turks for help. Barzani is not just an opportunist, in the eyes of not only the PUK but also the PKK and the YPG, he is a treacherous player only concerned with his own (clan) interest. On the military level the Kurds have much more serious problems. There is no unified command to begin with, second all the essential military assets needed to project force and to act as force multiplier are either provided by, or controlled by outside forces. Even the basic logistic needs are provided by others. To dig a little deeper, the peshmerga of Barzani do not have a reputation of being a capable combat force. Just to illustrate: at the height of IS expansion towards Kirkuk and the Nineveh plains the Barzani peshmerga put up token resistance and performed exeptionally well in the retreat. The PUK peshmerga were the ones who had to be brought in to save the day. To make it short, Barzani has neither in numbers nor in quality and capability a military force that could be used as a pillar for the Kurdish state.
RT’s Crosstalk had a very interesting programme on this yesterday called “Kurdish Puzzle” – some very interesting points were made:
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/404989-kurdish-independence-referendum-issue/
Mohammad Marandi adds some meat to the bones from a historical perspective about the current Iraqi constitution and how it came about. He makes the point also that Barzani’s leadership came to an end in 2015 and the actual Kurdish regional parliament were not fully in session to pass the right for the referendum either. The more u hear the more u realise that eve from a Kurdish legal perspective – it wasn’t even legal in many ways. Also Israel is bought up by 2 of the guests.
Barzani is an opportunist who overplayed his hand and has isolated himself. There is effectivey a no fly zone over the region; no flights in or out; Turkey and Iran have both had military drills with Iraq on their borders; both have stopped any petroleum flows and both are backing the Iraqi Governement.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201709301057833604-iraq-iran-drills-referendum-kurds/
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201709291057809775-iran-ban-iraqi-kurdistan-petroleum/
The fact that the Kurds took Kirkuk (land grabs again) as mentioned – shows the Iraqi Govt. are within their rights to push their claims to this area esp. if that area isn’t recognised under the constitution as Kurdish.Those who fled may come back too.
Erdogan is linking in Israel too:
http://theduran.com/israel-is-on-the-verge-of-turning-turkey-into-an-enemy/
We are seeing a lot of such movements. Kosovo, Crimea, Scotland, Catalonia to name the most visible. And now of course the Kurds. Can someone differentiate for us all, how to determine which movements are legitimate and which are not?
Of course, most everyone here supports Crimea going back to Russia, but why shouldn’t other groups like in Scotland or the Kurds have self determination? Setting aside the malevolent influence of various actors, notably USA/Israel in breaking up Syria/Iraq or even Turkey.
Anyone have some insights into this?
Why nobody in the media is calling out the irony of how Israel has the gall to call for Kurdish independence while totally ignoring Palestinian independence is what really boggles one’s mind.
@Eric: “Kosovo, Crimea, Scotland, Catalonia … and now the Kurds”. Nations are not individuals, and the freedom of a nation is not necessarily transferred to the individuals within that nation. Take a moderately large city, the leader is entitled to a mayoral car. Let the UN officially declare it a legitimate indepndent nation: the leader is now entitled to a presidential jet; the other citizens may find no change in their personal status. Many factors must be taken into consideration; foreign meddling and agents provocateurs not least among them. Considering your examples, I would factor in:
1. Kosovo. Not freedom but an amputation. The bloody dismemberment of Serbia by NATZO was the price exacted from Anglo-Capitalists to build the TAPI pipelene through Albania.
2. Crimea. A genuine freedom move to rectify a recent mistake. USSR President Khruschev was demoted for his “harebrained schemes” — of which the most harebrained, by far, was to separate ancient Kiev and historical from the rest of Russia.
3 &4. Scotland and Catalonia are in amicable negotiation with their parent countries.
5. The Kurds. Many (but how many?) want some sort of autonomy as a recognisable ethnic group; but for such a widely dispersed group to take arms against their various host nations in the middle of a major invasion by NATZO (aka ISIL aka ISIS) is, to put it mildly, hardly tactful.
@DR NG …
Perfect description of seemingly similar events.
To say …. “Catalonia (is) in amicable negotiation with (its) parent country”
Hasn’t aged very well! Scotland yes. Strange how Spain ignored a Kurdish referendum approach and rather than threat & bluster took to using manifest violence.
Scotland had their referendum, but, are like Clinton, could not take the majority decision and have been whinging, whining and a moaning every day since then. The United Kindgdom, is Great Britain, England, Wales and Scotland, including Northern Ireland. Westminster is the Parliament of the United Kingdom. Remember, the Scottish Prime Minister’s Brown and Blair? Scotland has their own Parliament, Wales have their own Assembly and Northern Ireland, also have their own Assembly. England has nought, but, gets the blame for everything the others do not like. If England had her own Parliament, they would no doubt vote with regards independence and just to shut up the moaners in Scotland, would vote independence, and give Scotland her wish. We do not have that choice.
What seriously makes me laugh, Scotland wants their independence from the United Kingdom, yet, they want to stay aligned to the EU and where does that leave the so called independent friendly nation? Will they blame the EU for it all, a few decades down the road, if they get their independence? Personally, I do not care if they stay or leave, just, that they would shut up moaning. It was not long ago they had their referendum, followed by a General Election and then followed by another General Election. Have Scotland got the appetite for yet another Referendum, just a few years later.
Interesting.
There is more at stake then ‘identity’, I guess.
Besides giving this very informative article of Pepe Escobar and the sharp comment of @Larchmonter 445 its deserved praise, let me give some thoughts on your point.
These kinds of seceding forces are often steered, is my point. The same neocons that are now howling wolf about the reuniting of Crimea with Russia after a referendum (completely in line with a referendum held in 1991: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_sovereignty_referendum,_1991 ), were cheering and clapping with the carving out of Kosovo from Serbia, without a referendum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_independence_precedent . Putin has then warned the West that this precedent would hit them back.
This ‘independency striving’ might often be steered as a move to hollow out the power of the central state. People striving for a NWO don’t like strong nation states.
Imho it can’t be ruled out that this is quietly supported by forces that want ‘balkanization’ of as much as possible states and areas.
It may sound like a paradox, but balkanization of the parts may lead to greater power of the overall central power.
In the EU bunkers they call this ‘The Project’.
It’s all about power, not better well-being of its citizens.
Rob says: “… People striving for a NWO don’t like strong nation states.”
Yes, this is also why they are causing chaos in those places where they cannot wage a war against the strong nation state. I have Brazil in mind, and Venezuela… and there are several others… It is indeed barbarism, with all the economic, social, institutional and moral destruction it entails…
Each situation is different. Crimea returned to Russia, not independence. Economic and security considerations, support of surrounding states (or lack thereof). Whether a proposed state can be viable as a separate entity has many aspects. Autonomy vs independence, and so on. I think Catalonia separating from Spain would seriously harm the Spanish state and looks selfish and self-serving. We have what we want, screw you. Not sure what to say about Scotland. Look at Africa – what should the borders be within the continent, given its colonial history and tribal diversity? In many cases there does not seem an easy answer an independence is not a panacea. Somtimes unity with diversity seems a wiser choice, but not an easy one.
The Pessimist, I think you should be The Optimist… I liked your very succinct view of nationality and its administrative situation…
” I think Catalonia separating from Spain would seriously harm the Spanish state and looks selfish and self-serving. We have what we want, screw you.”
That was basically the story with the Czech Lands (Bohemia and Moravia) vis-a-vis Slovakia.
Probably it was dumb to try to combine bits of Austria and Slavic bits of Hungary into one country after WW1. That was Austro-Slavism.
But once combined, it might have been better for them to stay together.
Katherine
The Scottish Question is just a tactical one, irrelevant from the international perspective.
Catalonia seems to have good reasons to split (it seems much of the fascist structures of the Spanish state are still working).
There never existed a “Kurdistan”, so there is no question of any form of state (except by brutal violence).
Or, why should the Kurds have the right to secession and independence, but Crimea and the Donbass not? The question can be revisited in a dozen or more locations today.
Basically, the operative principle is that there is no principle other than what the United States and Israel hazily see as favoring them in some nebulous way years or decades down the road. The costs will be paid by the locals so Uncle Sam doesn’t care how many die or are maimed if yet another war is imposed in place of diplomacy and compromise. Just as long as Sam puts points on the board in this vague hybrid world war against Russia and China that is ongoing. Besides, even if his side takes outrageous casualties, there will still have been a tidy profit chalked up for corporate investors.
(Kudos to Pepi for so thoroughly analysing this conflict with his stellar on-the-scene research. The MSM wouldn’t provide the public with ten percent of this information even if they knew about it.)
Self Determination is not a set of magic words, that automatically makes any struggle legitimate.
It has more on legitimate grievances, and separating or secession is not a grievance it is the goal.
For now while both countries are in utter chaos, almost any secessionist movement is illegitimate, because of the movement of people, political turmoil, etc…
The Kurds have no real grievances with Iraq or Syria in order to have a legitimate struggle and just simply wanting to be your own ethnic country is not enough, so this must be done constitutionally, or by the system they have in place, because the rest of the country has a say in it, it is also their land, and the Kurds have no grievances that would justify an independence movement.
I think the declaration of independence from the US is a good example, very well drafted.
SAMR
“I think the declaration of independence from the US is a good example, very well drafted.”
Well, a declaration of independence from the u.s. is always a positive step forward for a people. This is especially true regarding americans, should they ever rise above their indoctrination disability. Even better, though, is a declaration of independence from Israel. That would drop the floor out from underneath the fascists.
We are seeing a lot of such movements. Kosovo, Crimea, Scotland, Catalonia to name the most visible.
With Kosovo, there are two big differences:
1. In Kosovo, there was no referendum prior to declaration of independence. 2. Unlike the other regions, which have been independent states or which belonged to one country and decided to go back to being part if that country, there is no historical precedent of that region being anything other than Serbian.
That is correct. The Serbian Province of Kosovo and Metohija has always existed, holding 1,300 Serbian churches and monasteries. It’s only during the Turkish invasion that the Serbian population has been reduced in numbers. Kurdistan, on the other hand, never existed, as Kurd’s have historically been nomads, moving from place to place.
“We are seeing a lot of such movements. Kosovo, Crimea, Scotland, Catalonia to name the most visible. And now of course the Kurds. Can someone differentiate for us all, how to determine which movements are legitimate and which are not?”
A highly reliable gauge of the sincerity of independence/autonomy/nationalist movements is their standpoint with regard to Western imperialism. On this basis, Crimea’s re-unification with Russia was a 100% legitimate expression of Russian nationalism which beautifully trashed most of the Ukronazis’ Maidan putsch bought and paid for by the West. In Crimea, the West was defeated in stark contrast to what happened in the Balkans 15 years earlier with Serbia losing its historical heartland of Kosovo in a Western land-grab achieved by NATO terror bombing. As regards Catalonia and Scotland, they may have legitimate grievances about Spain and the UK respectively, but have absolutely zero progressive thrust to show for them. Indeed, you come across as being morally tone-deaf by making noises about “independence” only to pledge allegiance to the EU and NATO. Coming to think of it, it’s even worse than being morally tone-deaf; it’s a conscious strategy of sucking up to imperialism for striking a more generous deal with it. Lastly, the Kurds used to have a very strong case against Turkey given her strong ties to Zionism, her NATO membership, and her fascist repression of her national minorities, but today the Kurds seem to have sold out, so no legitimacy there either.
Scotland, used self determination and had a referendum, whether to go or leave the UK. Those that wanted to remain had the majority vote.
Falkland Islands had a referendum with regards whether to stay aligned to the UK or Falklands, the majority vote went with the UK.
Crimea, had a vote (they never had a voice in 1954), with regards whether to stay aligned to Russia or Ukraine, the majority went to Russia.
The US used the same argument, back on 4 July 1776, whether to stay with Great Britain or become independent of Great Britain. The majority wanted independence.
The same with the end of WWI and how they dismantled the Ottoman and Austria-Hungary Empires, using self determination.
NATO used the same argument, in their Final Report, Kosovo in an International Law Perspective; Self Determination, Territorial Integrity and the NATO Conclusion.
Catalonia used the same argument. Funnily, the UN Charter is based on self determination and territorial integrity, and they explain the argument in Resolution 26/2625.
What all the above have in common, along with many other nations, that have used the same argument, is the fact that the people are based on the territory that that forms the argument.
With the Kurds, they are nomads and what territory do they actually have control over? How much of the territory, has no links to the Kurds, but, is rich in natural resources and the Kurds are claiming it as theirs?
Khaddafi of Libya was the only who wanted Kurds to have their own state. Thats why when the North Atlantic Terror Alliance murdered him and destroyed Libya the Turks, Persians and Arabs were all dancing and cheering. All the hypocrite and coward leaders of the Muslim world buried their heads in the sand where they belong. Only 2 people condemned the North Atlantic Terror Alliance and those were Vladimir Putin and Silvio Berlusconi.
Go to Youtube and type in Khaddafi Kurds.
Regarding the issue of retaining (or regaining) control over the Syrian territory, by looking at the maps showing the current disposition of the main military forces on the ground, I’d say that, as a matter of fact, the SDF has managed to cut the SAA off the eastern part of the Deir-Ez-zor province.
It’s hard to imagine how the SAA might bypass them, except through an agreement or a very bloody and uncertain fight, especially considering the constant shortage of manpower that afflicts the already stretched Syrian Army.
The Syrian state would never be able to recover if over 1/3 of its territory with 80% of its oil and gas resources are split from the Syrian state and stolen by the …
The East of Syria will come into Syrian control because there is no way for the SDF, ISIS and the US to hold that region against the surrounding forces of Iraq, Iranian militia, Syrian Army and Russian AF. Whatever is there in the oil region, along the border, inside the tribal zones will be decimated like everywhere else in Syria. It’s just a month or two away.
They are inside a soon-to-be defined boiler. And because they are in the key economic natural resource center of Syria, Russia will see to it that they are liquidated.
The idea that the US is going to go to war over SDF holding oil fields is nuts.
They won’t be able to export the oil. And the issue is going to be moot shortly.
If you want to see how daring the Russians are, look at the Jordan-Syria and Lebanon-Syria war action. Those were right in the noses of US and Israel and both backed off and let al Nusra and ISIS get wiped out. Not only that, De-escalation zone was agreed to by the Hegemon for the Jordanian area of SW Syria.
Russia came to Syria to win. Deir ez Zor has major Russian blood, one General, two colonels now, and last year, two other Special Forces (probably Colonels) who died with the 120 Syrian soldiers bombed by the US-Coalition.
The SDF will go the way of the FSA and all the other CIA-Mossad proxies.
It can dissolve on its own or be incinerated by thermobaric bombs and missiles.
“General Kalibr” will decide the issue.
The SDF are outnumbered, outmanuevered, outgunned and shortly pushed out of the oil fields.
If the US intended to make a stand, they would need to insert a few thousand Marines and Rangers, for starters.
All they will do is attempt to supply the Kurds and holdover radicals in SDF uniforms.
I believe that shortly the Russians will move air defenses, S-400, Pantsir, or Tor M1, M2 systems to Deir ez Zor. This will end the US flying over east Syria unless they want to assist the UN humanitarian supply to the region.
I wish all the best to the Syrian people, and wish this bloody war ends soon, but air strikes had escalated as an American backed militia known as the Syrian Democratic Forces moved to retake Raqa. While ISIS didn’t have Air Cover, proved to be theirs Achilles’ heel, SDF has the NATO air cover. As soon as Syrian Army and SDF would start skirmishes and exchange artillery fire, the battle for taking territories on East of Euphrates would be different.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” Sun Tzu
If you consider the US and NATO, military concentration around Syria on the sea and land, then the Russian contingent in Syria isn’t a match for the NATO.
I insist that it’s hard to imagine how the SAA might bypass them, except through an agreement or a very bloody and uncertain fight, especially considering the constant shortage of manpower that afflicts the already stretched Syrian Army.
The goal of hegemon is to Partition Syria and they have the means to do so, unless the conflict escalates to Nuclear. My question is:
Are Russian ready to Trade Moscow for Damascus?
“Soon-to-be defined boiler” sums up the situation rather nicely, and I think helps explain the relative non-reaction of Russia as regards the SDF land grab.
Arabs play a token role in the SDF, whose constituent Arab tribes being bought and paid for to switch sides from ISIS- to US-allies. Those tribes simply bend to the wind, be it ISIS, the US, or, sooner than later, Syria. Rojava Kurds have not been kind to the Arabs of eastern Syria, with ethnic cleansing and sealing of battle fronts from Arab refugees fleeing ISIS. Now the Kurds will rule over them and their oil? Such a marriage wouldn’t last in ideal conditions.
But as Larchmonter points out, the conditions are far from ideal. Mainly, they will soon be surrounded to the west as south by the SAA, to the east by Iraqi army and PMUs. Their only open route for oil will be north, but then where? Turkey is now closed for stolen oil. Moreover, this route north could easily be blocked as well by some air-dropped forces once the threat of ISIS counter attacks is gone (which out soon will be). The SDF soldiers now occupying the wells would have to learn to eat crude.
The upshot is the idea that the Syrian Kurds will be able to hold on to any oil facilities in non- Kurds areas is simply not logistically feasible and those resources will sooner or later be back in the hands of Damascus.
Excellent explanation. I’ll add, not that I have to. Russians, just told the world that SDF is not fighting ISIS. Hence, we can say it’s all fake make believe show for our amusement, or an attempt to fool us.
An expensive (Russian) General kill it would seem … payback time in overtime?
“Russian air strikes kill 2,000+ ISIS terrorists in Syria in 11 days – military
Russian air strikes in Syria between September 19 and 29 resulted in the deaths of 2,359 militants with a further 2,700 or so wounded, the Russian Ministry of Defense has announced. 16 field commanders, and over 400 citizens from the former USSR are among those wounded.”
https://www.rt.com/news/405121-russian-air-strikes-kill-2000-isis/
In a comment below, Larchmonter 445 said: “If the US intended to make a stand, they would need to insert a few thousand Marines and Rangers, for starters.”
Why? Aside from creating chaos, why would the hegemon stick it’s own forces (Marines and Rangers) in what is obviously a losing proposition?
My take – from my easy chair with no skin in the game – is that except for creating chaos (the hegemon’s sole strategy, both internal and external to the US) there is no reason to do more than the current gambit by proxy.
Having said that, just who the hell am I to voice an opinion?
The Kurd’s, in par with international law, are entitled to human and political rights. However, what is highly questionable are their claims to territory in Syria, Iraq and even Turkey, bearing in mind that from the historical perspective,there has never been a Kurdistan state, all the more so since Kurd’s historically have been nomads. They are claiming, with US backing, oil rich territory in both Iraq and Syria. Rather convenient.
As far as Syria goes, Escobar’s claim that Kurd’s control 25 % of the territory is debatable, as the Russian MOD has stated that Syria has liberated 87 % of its territory. As for the Kurd’s, its debatable if they are entitled to one square mile of Syrian territory, bearing in mind Syria’s rich history and the fact that Syrians are descendants of Assyrians, thus having legal and historical claim to the whole of Syria as it existed before the war.
Feed the fat cats.
US war in Iraq has been going on for 27 years by now despite any opinon of any neighbours.
A few big military US bases in Kurdish areas with US airfighters defending Kurdish areas will create a new US war conflict area another 25 years notwithstanding any opinion of Barzani, Kurds and “their neighbours”.
This is what the US agenda is about. Creating chaos in as many countries as possible, grabbing oil and selling weapons while the underlying aganda of “connecting the dots” moves forward.
The US certainly won’t give up the chunk of Syria that it has via the Kurds, the bases it has and will build and the oil. Folks forget that Western elites are bad at long term planning, but THEY NEVER GIVE UP. They still have Syria by the throat. The Hegemon will not give that up.
Putin will not challenge the US for the chunk of Syria that it has or for the oil fields. Assad controls most of the major cities, but the US has much of the oil. The near term result of the war looks like a stalemate where the US continues to have Syria by the throat, Israel and Turkey both have feet inside the door and Iran and Hezbollah are looking like persona non grata…at best Assad will get nothing more than a pause in the war.
The fundamental problem is that Americans keep trying to vote peace candidates in but they keep getting warmongers instead. We need to pull our attack dogs out of Syria and everywhere else, but we can’t seem to do it.
@paul and the Anon who said the forces of freedom are “no match for NATZO”. Yes, we have all heard how the EUSA could buy up Russia ten times over and never miss the change — if Russia would only sell. As for which parties never give up, I enquire once again for the name of any NATZO leader who has shown grit and determination to equal Rev.Nasr’Allah, Dr.Assad and Pres.Putin. (Let alone their intelligence, their respect for the rule of Law, and their practicality.)
Saudis is fear of Iran so they became puppet of USA. Because of fears they have now they support Soranistan (aka.Kurdistan) in order to prevent Iran.
Nasrallah on kurd separatism among other issues.
Sayyed Nasrallah: Our Resonant Call to Remain “At Your Service O Imam Hussein”
https://english.almanar.com.lb/358943
“Kurdistan Secession Threat to Entire Region
Following the defeat of ISIL, the region is before a dangerous scheme of division, Sayyed Nasrallah said, warning that such scheme is represented in the secession of Kurdistan region in Iraq.
“We say to our beloved Kurds that the issue is not about deciding your fate, but about dividing the region according to sectarian and ethnic belonging.”
The Lebanese resistance leader called on people of the region to confront such scheme which echoes the “New Middle East”, which was plotted by former US president George W. Bush.
“The people of this region bear responsibility of confronting this scheme of division.”
His eminence also called on people of the region to refrain from resorting to ethnic bias.
“There should not be ethnic bias between Arabs, Kurds or Iranians, the problem is not with Kurds, it’s political one.”
Sayyed Nasrallah in this context warned that wars in the region are in favor of ‘Israel’ and US along with the latter’s arms companies.”
Detailed 2 part analysis of kurd associations with israel, it’s proxies and terrorists by Sarah Abed.
The Kurds: Washington’s Weapon Of Mass Destabilization In The Middle East
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-kurds-washingtons-weapon-of-mass-destabilization-in-the-middle-east/229586/
The Kurdish Connection: Israel, ISIS And U.S. Efforts To Destabilize Iran
http://www.mintpressnews.com/kurdish-connection-israel-isis-destabilize-iran/229745/
And a few days ago, this on the separation move.
Amidst Universal Opposition to KRG Referendum, Israel Stands by Kurds
https://sarahabed.com/2017/09/19/amidst-universal-opposition-to-krg-referendum-israel-stands-by-kurds/
Netanyahu denies Israeli involvment in Iraqi Kurdistan Referendum
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201710011057850466-israel-iraqi-kurdistan-referendum/
Another excellent ‘sit-rep’ of the current situation regarding…ahem…”independence”, I also like Mr. Escobar’s thoughts and feelings as to how the future might unfold in “Syraq”.
The sale of major armour to Iraq is very interesting to say the least.
“Expect major turbulence ahead”.
That (almost) goes without saying.
‘Major turbulence’ is what the Zio Reich does…It’s their major export.
The creation of a Kurdish state is not a very good idea at this time because it favours the hegemon for all the reasons mentioned. Therefore it must not be allowed.
Israel Backing Kurdish Independence ‘to Create New Conflicts, Destabilization’
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201710021057860943-iraqi-kurdistan-independence-referendum-israel/
“Commenting on the results of last month’s independence referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan during an interview with Sputnik, Hossein Sheikholislam, an advisor to the Iranian Foreign Ministry, pointed the finger at Israel, which he claimed initiated the referendum.
He said that the idea of Iraqi Kurdistan’s independence was floated by Israel, which “wants to achieve the disintegration of a number of states through their fragmentation on a national basis.”
“This plan stipulates that part of the territories in the Middle East should go to maroons and druses, while other territories should be taken by Jews. One of the first steps in implementing this plan was a referendum on the independence of Iraqi Kurdistan,” Hossein Sheikholislam said.
As for President of Iraqi Kurdistan Masoud Barzani, he is most likely supported by Israel, according to Sheikholislam.
“Israel is doing its best to exacerbate tensions in the region and now that the fight against Daesh is coming to a close, Tel Aviv he wants to play a national card to create new conflicts and destabilization,” he pointed out.
Sheikholislam reiterated that the referendum was endorsed by Israel and fully meets its geopolitical interests in the region. He also warned of far-reaching consequences for the referendum.
“This pertains to all neighboring countries and taking into account what happened, Iran, Syria, Iraq and Turkey should join their efforts to prevent ethnic separatism and attempts to split the Middle East,” he concluded.”
Dear Pepe Escobar,
Major turbulence is a highly likely outcome. But then again, the whole situation right now in the Middle East is turbulent, thanks to US intervention and plots, and before them, European colonization. Seems like the last time they did not have turbulence were when they were integrated in the Ottoman Kalifate.
I am actually expecting to see Barzani position himself for negotiations. As you say, USA/EU cannot support him, not without alienating Turkey. And Turkey is “slipping” from the grasp after the failed coup, whoever it was that pulled the strings. Russia cannot support them either, as that would alienate Iran and risk the newfound friendship with Turkey. So, the only support they will get is from Israel, which probably hope that a Kurdistan would expand and weaken Israel’s opponents. Might even be that Israel is supporting Kurdistan on behalf of USA, but I do not see what hope they could have, except a long-term goal. (And USA are not known to have enough patience to think decades ahead, in which the seed of their downfall lies.)
I interpret this referendum as a Kurdish step towards independence, something to be used in negotiations, and expect to see negotiations where they abandon some of what they have gained, and consolidation of new gained power in the rest. They do not have a good hand, not enough for independence, but it is better than it was. They might be playing at gaining a formal status as an autonomous republic.
Eric on September 30, 2017 · at 7:43 am UTC
We are seeing a lot of such movements. Kosovo, Crimea, Scotland, Catalonia to name the most visible. And now of course the Kurds. Can someone differentiate for us all, how to determine which movements are legitimate and which are not?
Excellent Eric. Uncle Uri Avnery is suggesting that Israel to be divided between the Elite Ashkenazi Jews and the Subjugated Mizrahim in Jews.
Separation Is Beautiful
by Uri Avnery Posted on October 07, 2017
http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2017/10/06/separation-is-beautiful/
To quote Uncle Uri from his article:
“Their plan is to partition the State of Israel along the Jaffa – Jerusalem road, dividing the country into two halves. Everything north of the dividing line will remain the property of the Ashkenazis, everything south of it will become the new sovereign Mizrahi state, to be called Medinat Mizrah.
From there, your imagination can lead you anywhere you want.”