Galina Pyshnyak – Eyewitness Account of Ukrainian Atrocities in Slavyansk (Subtitled in English)
Preamble by Gleb Bazov: Considering the controversy this eyewitness account has already generated (and will continue to generate), it deserves a thorough review from the standpoint of legal and evidentiary rules. That review will be generated and provided over the next several days. For now, I can offer you my professional expertise, as a courtroom advocate with eight years of experience before all levels of Ontario courts, as well as multiple tribunals and administrative boards, and also the professional opinion of a forensic paediatrician with twenty years of experience investigating crimes against children (which, I hope, will be expanded upon). Both of us believe this account to be genuine, authentic and highly likely to be accepted as truth in court. In considering this testimony, please recall that eyewitness testimony is considered to be direct evidence, which, if believed, does not require any corroborating evidence whatsoever to found a criminal conviction. Further reasoning can be gleaned from the following:
Preamble to the transcript of Galina Pyshnyak’s First Interview;
Preamble to the transcript of Galina Pyshnyak’s Second Interview;
A reader’s comment and response thereto (Second Interview);
Further commentary by a reader (Second Interview); and,
Extensive discussion of Fyodor Berezin’s report on Ukrainian atrocities in Saurovka.
Video: Galina Pyshnyak’s First Interview (Ukrainian Atrocities in Slavyansk) w/ENG subtitles
Video Subtitles Kindly Prepared by Marcel Sardo (@marcelsardo)
Video: Galina Pyshnyak’s Second Interview (Ukrainian Atrocities in Slavyansk) w/ENG subtitles
Video Subtitles Kindly Prepared by Marcel Sardo (@marcelsardo)
I posted links to these yesterday, but they deserve profound attention and distribution around the world.
This is the symbolic desecration of humanity in a crucifixion. It attacks and mocks and degrades mother and child, religion, Christ and humanity.
Yet, it is hidden from the eyes and minds of the world until now.
Please send this link everywhere.
Begin with 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. He paid for this crime. Send it to Brussels. Send it to the Senators who love war. and send it to the Pope. Maybe he can get his mind off Gay Rights and do the work of Christ and crusade against Fascism and Bestiality.
O, Lord, everyone should see it but most of us just don’t want to believe this is happening in 20th century and we are to be blamed for. Don’t accept midia lays, real people are safer and that is the truth.
Ustashas still around in the XXI century? The curtesy of Vatican and the “Judeo-Christian” civilization – duly sponsored by the genocidal zionazis for their genocidal aims.
The question is, what else is new?
Worst of all, the purpetrators will never be tried for this & similar crimes, which is yet another legacy of the inhuman entities said above.
“Those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it.” We Serbs and Russians are particularly good examples of giving a chance to our defeated enemies. And they always repay that favor indeed!
http://rt.com/news/172404-russian-donetsk-shelled-victims/
How can Putin be so sniveling in response? It amounts to asking Ukraine to pretty please stop attacking Russia.
I am in Montana away from my usual online news sources. I can not trust the American media that shows photos of Hamas shooting off rockets while Israel enacts genocide in Gaza
Can not find any news about the Uke army trapped along the border.
Are the Federalsts pressing their advantage to shred them?
The local propaganda I am reading make it sound like the attack that killed 19 Uke soldiers is the last gasp of the resisters
If they are indeed trapped either they are destroyed in a debacle or the Ukies have to free them.
Either way it should be a major news story
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Larchmonter445,
YES. This should be sent by everyone among us to Obama, Biden, Kerry and Every. Single. Member. Of. Congress. We pay their salaries. We should put them ALL on notice and at least let them squirm a bit until they come up with the right propaganda. OSCE, NATO, Merkel, Hollande, Sikorsky maybe instead of Tusk — who else?
Let them know we know, and WILL hold them accountable, however long it takes.
Saker: I am an Assyrian American. My grandmother was the only survivor in her family during the Armenian Holocaust of Word War I. We call it the Seyfo for sword
Turks would Crucify rows of women and mock them in their death throes for worshipping Jesus.
As many have said, these incidents are only the tip of the iceberg. The public consciousness is only starting to realize the true extent of what is happening in Ukraine. The western public has spent about six months being propagandized to hell and back, but now Kiev’s crimes are so blatant and numerous that even the NY Times can barely cover them up anymore.
As an average reader in America, when I first noticed the Maidan, I thought, great, a revolution. By the time the Crimea reunited with Russia, I had begun to understand. And by now, like everyone else with a modicum of intelligence, I’ve rededicated myself to work harder every day to sabotage and destroy these fascist systems that we’re living in, by any means necessary.
But to interject a hopeful note, Strelkov was featured in the NY Times recently (Stalinesque portrayal, but that’s not wholly bad), the Motorola wedding story is currently in the NY Times, and you can tell that the constant bullshit coming out of the UA side is being treated with more and more skepticism. If this conflict can be said to be beautiful in a way, it’s that there’s never been a conflict in recent internet memory in which the right side and the wrong side have been made so clear.
And so Strelkov, Motorola, Babay are in some senses colorful characters in a play, but they symbolize something good, as set against Poroshenko et. al., whose brief honeymoon is over, and even the western war propaganda ‘media’ can’t resist doing some color features on the anti-American side . . .
Back in the 80’s, the American, and Israeli, run death squads opering in Latin America regularly did these sorts of heinous crimes to terrorise the people. This was reported in the alternative press, but almost completely ignored by the ZPC msm. Fortunately, now, we have resources like the web that can get this information to the public to many more people much sooner. The ZPC msm will always be an impediment to truth, so should be bypassed and rendered bankrupt.
вот так
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PRESIDENT OF NICARAGUA DANIEL ORTEGA (retranslated): Dear Vladimir, esteemed Mr President,
We are very happy to see you here. This is an honour for us. This is a historic visit. It is like a ray of light, like a flash of lightning. This is the first time a Russian President visits Nicaragua. We are very happy to welcome you in our country. Please consider it your country.
We are dedicated to the struggle for peace; we are actively fighting poverty and working to raise the standard of living. We are combatting drug trafficking, organised crime and terrorism. Our cooperation with your people follows a very busy agenda. We see that this cooperation is being enhanced step by step.
We saw some buses on our way to the airport. They were supplied to Nicaragua by the Russian Government. Now Nicaraguans use these buses to go to work and return home. I believe that the most successful cooperation is the kind that enhances the everyday lives of ordinary people.
Our relations are brotherly in nature. This is very important, especially now, when we need to join efforts in the struggle for peace. We accept and support the initiatives put forth by Russia in the interests of peace and are ready to take part in them, and are already doing so. We are ready to support initiatives aimed at establishing peace in the whole world, and especially those aimed at peace in your region within the framework of the conflicts that exist there now.
The resolution of a conflict is not facilitated by bombing or artillery fire. The resolution of a conflict requires good judgement and a sensible approach. The main and most important thing is to take into consideration the will of the people, and that is being done.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Thank you.
Larchmonter445 said…
“This is the symbolic desecration of humanity in a crucifixion. It attacks and mocks and degrades mother and child, religion, Christ and humanity.”
While I agree with your post, this type of crap is nothing new:
The Ustashi wrote the book on these types of atrocities:
http://www.reformation.org/holocaus.html#Contents
The even put together a song that is still a big hit in Croatia to this day:
“Mi Ustase ne pijemo vina
Nego krvi Srbina iz Knina”.
These type of atrocities resurfaced in the early 90’s by Tudjman & his Ustashi. NOTHING happened to them. In fact, they were REWARDED with membership in NATO & the EU!
The banderists are looking for the same type of rewards from the EU & NATO.
Meezer
вот так,
“Fortunately, now, we have resources like the web that can get this information to the public to many more people much sooner. The ZPC msm will always be an impediment to truth, so should be bypassed and rendered bankrupt.”
The MSM print media do appear to be on life-support but people still seem truly loyal to their teevee and radio propagandists of choice. Otoh, the contrast between what we are told about Ukraine and what is really going on is so incredibly strong, that this may be a true test of the power of the Internet to completely flip the Empire’s narrative. And the neatest thing about it is that we each can play a role by sending these various videos along. ;~) The average American may be disinclined to believe anything they’re not force-fed but the accretion of this kind of material (Odessa and Inna likewise come to mind) makes it harder and harder to refute. If these horrors have to happen, they might as well be put to good use as a way of honoring the victims.
What’s truly amazing though is the unutterable arrogance of Obama, Biden, Kerry, McCain et. al. — I’m sure it’s never even dawned on a one of them that they really do stand a chance of getting hauled before a war crimes tribunal. (Poroshenko otoh: yeah, you can pretty much guarantee it’s crossed his mind once or twice…) But tipping points do occur — we’re finding it at least a little easier lately to be taken seriously about Ukraine — and the Empire is weakening while resentment against it appears to be growing across the globe whether those in charge are too blind to see it or not.
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/financial-times-ukraine-accuses-russia-of-attacking-its-army-355838.html
This is how Orwellian the Western media is. Porky kills Russian citizens and cries foul against Russian aggression
Obviously Porky is bear baiting while Putin is on his Latin American charm offensive.
God help us if another American official pays a courtesy call in Kiev this week
For the disbelievers, the Odessa massacre was the first example of insanity. Nazis out in the open, for everyone to see, executing people standing on the ledge trying to get away from the fire. If someone had told me that that happened, I would hesitate to believe it, if it hadn’t been caught on video.
“We can”
Ukies can because they have behind NATO-EU.
.” We Serbs and Russians are particularly good examples of giving a chance to our defeated enemies. And they always repay that favor indeed!
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Serbian propaganda are even using this blog and forum to promote –
who else, than Serbia and Drazha Mihajlovic who worked for British in form of Chetniks against Partisans
I am from ex-Yugoslavia.
In the period from 1945-1991
in ex-Yugoslavia there was far stronger influence from so called the West than Russia.
Tito had far greater number of friends in the western capitals than Moscow.
Yugoslavia was broken due to the Anglo-Saxon machinations.
Serbs were the most influenced and powerful nation in ex-Yugoslavia. They had done very little or nothing for increasing friendship between Yugoslavia and Russia ( SSSR ).
it was due to material greed on the side of the Serbian ruling class.
For example:
Israel has built monument to Red Army, for Belgrade at that time, it would be anathema.
Many people will not like what I say, but it is true.
Serbs, in the last hundred years
liked Russia only so much as they cold benefit from Russia.
In the period 1945-1991 Serbs could have done far more for Russia than what they had done.
Blogger Meezer said…
“Mi Ustase ne pijemo vina
Nego krvi Srbina iz Knina”.
———-
A Srbi su pijevali
Donesite salate
idemo klati Hrvate.
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Dear Saker
Here we have a small group of Chetniks who want to spill Serbo-Croatian conflict into this forum.
My message to them is to stop it.
Here we are united to give support to the MULTIPOLAR world and Russia, because Russia is under threat to be completely wiped off the map due to NATO-EU.
For those interested in the history of Croatian and Ukrainian atrocities, motivated ,sponsored and blessed by Vatican, and somewhat less by Nazis, and then continued after WWII by USA and UK, I suggest following thoroughly researched books:
1. John Loftus and Mark Aarons:
Unholy Trinity
The Vatican, The Nazis and the Swiss Banks
2. John Loftus and Mark Aarons:
The Secret War against the Jews
How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People
3. John Loftus
The Belarus Secret
Regards, Spiral
Blogger Meezer said…
Dearest Saker
.. NOTHING happened to them. In fact, they ( Croats )were REWARDED with membership in NATO & the EU!
BRAVO !!!!!!!!!! ( idiot )
The Croats have never voted for NATO terrorist organization, maybe from point of view of a Serb the entry is REWARD, but is it?
The same could we say for EU membership.
All Croats like Serbs are not united on anything.
Some Croats support NATO terrorist organization and some not.
The fact is that there was NOT a referendum therefore the membership is illegal.
Even if there was a referendum in Croatia and the majority of people voted for the membership, the voting should be valid only for four years and in no case “for life”.
Many Croats have always been against the NATO membership.
Some of Croats supported the NATO membership because they believed that it will protect them against the Serbian aggression. Today they can see the purpose of NATO is to military endanger Russia.
They have been tricked.
This blog The Saker is visited by many Croats, Serbs and many other Slavs. Do you want to drive away the Croats who are coming here to give the support to Russia and the multipolar world order?
Are for you more important interests of Serbia or Russia?
I am a Croat and for me are more important interests of multipolar world order and Russia than the Croatian, because the multipolar world order means democracy and freedom and without Russia there is no existence and life neither for the Croats nor for the Serbs.
Moj savijet tebi i svim Srbima koji zivu na cetnickoj ideologiji i Hrvatima koji zivu na ustaskoj ideologiji – odbacimo nasu sitnu nacionalnost i prigrlimo Rusiju kao nasu majku.
Mi smo svi nitko i nista vi Srbi i mi Hrvati i ostali Slaveni, jedino Rusija nesto vrijedi.
Okupimo se oko Rusije ako ne mozemo napraviti to na nacionalnoj razini napravimo to na individualnoj razini.
Mene kao Hrvata iritira pisanje cetnika ali ja sam se odrekao moga hrvatsva i nemam se cime identificirati u Hrvatskoj.
Hrvatska je prodata, izdata i porobljena.
Tako ce biti i s Srbijom i svako slavenskom zemljom.
Za mene je Rusija meni moja majka, domovina i svjetionik.
I do not doubt the banderites are capable of such ( and even worse) atrocities; after all, they’re grandsons of the same psychopaths, who invented over 360 ways of the most torturous death, during the ethnic cleansing of Poles and other nationalities in 1942-45; crucifiction was only one of them, impaling kids on the fences and other unimaginable cruelties described in part here with the pictures;
http://www.anti-orange-ua.com.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20669&sid=41787e572fa449ae05a75173b51a84f8#20669
Psychopathy IS genetic;
But I hope there are more wittnesses of these particular murders, since it was a public execution. Otherwise it may be dismissed as a raving of a woman in shock or something; more so, because there’s no Lenin Plaza in Slaviansk; More precise questioning would be required and cross checking facts.
KA
The only time when Putin/Russia should act is when the objective is clear, the imminent attack hidden and victory sure.
Thanks to Libya and Gaza, Putin has every right to execute ‘pin-point’ airstrikes under the R2P principle, guided by the prevention of more human suffering, death, mayhem and destruction, to keep is borders safe and end any attacks originating from Ukrainian territory. The latter can be done via the Israeli Principle of Assad’s troops being responsible for any bullet shot into the Golan Heights.
In this case it’s good to ‘follow’ US/NATO examples, because… what can they say?
Sorry no words for this .It makes me want to end it all for this cruel world,I have had enough, Lord Help
Us All.
The western nazis have their own sort of “volunteers”. Warning: grab a bucket first.
Кровавое сафари: иностранцы отстреливают украинцев, как животных (Bloody Safari: foreigners shoot Ukrainians, as animals)
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1790249&tid=105474 (trans) http://translate.yandex.net/tr-url/ru-en.ru/www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1790249&tid=105474
“Militia Donetsk national Republic reported on the elimination of two outposts Kiev army near Donetsk. According to the Minister of defense DND Igor strelkov, one of the checkpoints have kept people in the NATO camouflage and with foreign passports, allegedly mercenaries. Although in recent months among guards appeared and those who do not receive money from Kiev, on the contrary, is ready to pay for the opportunity to shoot at the people. The Ukrainian authorities make the combat zone in the Park of extreme entertainments for foreign tourists.
Training day battalion “Azov” on one of the bases in Berdyansk. Young, weighed down by flak jacket brunette with a Kalashnikov in the battalion was nicknamed don. Francesco Fontana is one of several hundred Western adventurers arriving on the warring Ukraine like a vulture, the smell of blood. 53-year-old Italian – Thriller “the Foreign Legion” – enthusiastically talks about how broke up barricades militias during baptism under the Mariupol.
I’m a volunteer, money is not getting. He himself paid for the ticket to come to Ukraine. This experience was dreaming of my whole life, I have dreamed of this. There is no room for sentimentality. This war. I’m here to kill,” says Fountain.
Tattoo on forearm in the form of black shark. Italian thug in his youth was a member of the radical circles. In his old age Fountain threw a career as a Manager at a car dealership and went to Kiev on Maidan. There came into “the Right part”, and then became a member of the “Foreign Legion” battalion “Azov”that the Kyiv authorities have created with the filing of advisors from Washington.
“These people do not hide that kill peaceful people and consider Ukrainians, as the Papuans, as some animals on which it is possible to buy the license for shooting”, – said Vladimir Rogov, leader of the Slavonic guards, co-Chairman of people’s front of Novorossia.
That foreigners are in fact going to Ukraine to kill for pleasure and are ready to pay for it themselves, former employee of the company Blackwater, a US citizen Walls Patton. In his Twitter he shares prices: a shot of howitzers – $ 100, of the tank – $ 200, shot through the village estimated at US $ 350…”
Pretty sick, eh? It gets worse in the rest of the article.
вот так
@Nora, BotTak, and whoever else wants this condemned by western observers,
Utter a word of indignation against the criminal act of using the noncombatant citizens of eastern Ukraine as disposable human shields by Strelkov and his merry band of serial warmongers. For their crimes against the Chechen population in the ’90’s and everywhere else between then and their current enterprise in Ukraine. Same cast of characters, different places, same crime of stirring up naive populations into aggressive revolts that leave them destitute and ruined after Russia exacts her political pound of flesh. You complain and point with every tirade about American crimes, have the decency and honor to be consistent. Do so and your credibility is enhanced, neglect to to do and you’re all hypocrites. If Russia’s thugs are excused for their thuggery, then so are America’s, and your selective righteous indignation and shock are nothing but a sham and the shallow pretensions of common hypocrites.
Delete this too saker, crown your shame with cowardice. You only demonstrate weakness
This is so horrifying, my first reaction was “this can’t possibly be true. Even the Ukie Nazis aren’t *this* bestial.” I mean, there was that account the other day of a Ukie trooper describing how his untrained, incompetent unit just shot everything that moved in Slavyansk – that sounds more like them.
But then, there was Odessa…
1. Mother&child murder: Nothing short of Black magic rituals, imo. More than likely fueled, like the nazi machine was, by mind altering and soul disconnecting (read conscience) drugs such as amphetamines etc.
2. Here (below) is another small but graphic insight into what is going on. Who amongst us would be that woman speaking truth to power? ‘American’ democracy @ work … and I guess nothing new for Latin American countries who cross Uncle Sam. I’m starting to read this as a Biden dynasty run for a slave farm b4 the end of his term — just like the Clinton’s have Haiti.
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“Letter from Donetsk 13/07/14 (translated from Russian)
It is clear to everyone that the war launched by America and Kiev support them, because they depend on them. Not know at all what it may end today a lot of information. In Slovyansk organized ATO (Ukrainian Army) headquarters, but it is generally not happy. There is a lot of military machinery……………… do not want to believe…….. but there was such information. After today’s news (assaults on Donetsk and Lugansk), I do not know what to expect. Petrovka bombed badly. My girlfriend lives there, she had to leave, and her godfather sat in the cellar, bombed badly, there are also civilian casualties. Bombed the outskirts of a lot.
Also, in Svjatogorsk (an eastern town) came Poroshenko and Yaytsenyuk. They spoke to the people……. everyone was silent, except one woman who broke down and expressed her opinions, that she knows what was happening. Later she was killed her and her family also. I fear very much writing now (e mails) because it can be traced. ******** (name removed), very scary,
I do not know what to do, honestly, I’m at a loss, for children, for your family, for yourself, for my job. Virtually no work. I do not know what to expect next. At anything and anyone not believe. That such things could happen. I just have an explosion of emotions, I’m sorry. Good luck to you. Peace and tranquility.”
(source:
https://www.facebook.com/tubieresdecayless/posts/10152737614858268?fref=nf)
Not to be rude or anything but I’m not sure this is not a fake. There are plenty circulating on both sides of the divide and propaganda exists in ukeland and mother Russia. Just be careful, that’s all. This blog is too good to risk credibility.
You just cannot comment something similar. Words are lost, even thoughts are missing. It’s a kosher world, provided that you do understand properly what that means…..
http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2014/07/03/a-kosher-world/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmV4z0CT3S4#t=107
Saker i don’t if you saw this video earlier, but i hope you ll be intrested. Some guy have included polish titles, but orginal material is in russian. I don’t now who created this short and very professional picture about Ukraine and III world war in defend of recent Putin polices. Putin is strong leader and there is no reason behind making him weaker, when his politburo have to face such a great danger from aggresive US empire.
@Sokenekos
Judeo-Christianity is a heresy. This concept existed before II Vatican Council, but only in the heads of the moderinsts.
Second, main victim of banderists where Polish Roman Catholics. A Hundred of thousand them. Churkin was talking about this at ONZ forum, when some banderist, appointed by junta goverment, was trying to negate their crimes. They were often attacking people, when they were gathered at Mass in churches. Sometimes they were slaughtering priests at the altar.
Banderists aren’t christians. They are monsters hiding behind cross. Faithful catholics were horrified about murders and desecration of orthodox chruches in Syria. Benedict XVI was strong supporter of Assad and Catholic media were one of the first reporting that US-Israel backed rebels were slaughtering christians. Bishops were openly talking about mercenaries not some democratic opposistion BS. Kremlin was even using analisys done by catholic nun to debunk claims about Assad using sarin to justify military intervention. Same is with ISIS, which is insulting Sunni & Shia, by destroying their shrines and mosques. I wouldn;t call them them muslims.
Third, after hijacking of many Vatican structures in 50s of XX century, same cabal is still trying to destroy authority of the Catholic Church by showing all priests as pedofiles thanks to pulling statistics about perverts in cassocks out of the air. Destroying Catholic Church from inside and outside by zionists was discussed earlier by Iranian media, all from muslim persperctive. Attack in mass-media, controled by zionist, is very well coordinated, same as recent attack on Russia. Much more pedofiles is in USA schools or protestant communities, but no journalist or authority will investigate this issue. What the point of the hiding pedofiles in some jewish communities (i’m not antijewish – many jews is also affraid about fate of the innocent victims, i’m anitzionist)and from the other side, with attacking Catholic Church, defaming it ? Zionist are not kamikadze. They ll not expose own lies & crimes.
Sorry for digressing from the subject. There is no reason for fighting each other, because of activities of some German agents, which activities where both against Poland catholics and Russian orthodox. I am defending my postion, becasue we can work toghter against our real enemies. If i am wrong so what was doing Patriarch Kirill few years ago in Poland ? After this visit in every church in Poland, letter from polish bishops about how beneficial is cooperation beetwen orthodox and catholics was read.
Andrew,
It seems the sources for rusvesna.tu and ANNA News are saying this story is ‘deza’:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405329054
Virgin media blocks these sites under its child guard programme.
Maybe this comment belongs to the previous post of July 12, 2014
“Very telling video (especially for Islam-haters!”
Ethnic Afgan fighting for Novorossia: I am a muslim, I don’t kill for money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ER_iU88o-MM
History has shown this kinda of “truth” tend t be filled with lies and exaggeration.
If it is truth then it will justified the anti-Kiev fighters otherwise it will do some damage.
@Robert Nelson
Saker: I am an Assyrian American. My grandmother was the only survivor in her family during the Armenian Holocaust of Word War I. We call it the Seyfo for sword
Turks would Crucify rows of women and mock them in their death throes for worshipping Jesus.
Not “Turks” but the Young Turks (CUP).
A movement filled with Donmeh (hidden Jews) that had a visceral hatred for Islam and double the amount towards Christianity. Come to think of it, they are similar to the KJ as both wanted to move towards the West and deny their Eastern Roots. Both are traitors.
Why Are So Many Jewish Leaders Holocaust Deniers? Part 1 , Part 2
Harman flip-flops on Armenian genocide resolution
Jews and Porn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q05us9EANu8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSKAS-YVCns
spiral:
Those are all very good books, especially Unholy Trinity.
Artur Gasparyan, a 24-year-old native of Spitak, Armenia, was recruited in Moscow in May to fight in eastern Ukraine. Now back in the Russian capital, he spoke with Mumin Shakirov of RFE/RL’s Russian Service (see original in Russian here) in detail about his experiences.
http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-i-was-a-separatist-fighter/25455466.html
Re posted on OpEdNews.Com
‘Ukrainian Nazis crucify a baby and force mother to watch then murder her’ – The Saker
On Saturday, I reported the stunning threat of reprisal killings by Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko: Ukraine President Threatens Resistance with Nazi Style Reprisal Killings. This remarkable report by the highly traveled blog, Vineyard of the Saker, reports on an incident alleged to have taken place at the hands of Ukraine forces in the Donbass region of that country where citizens are under attack by their own government. The report and video tapes are provided without alteration.
When will the Obama administration and Congress cut off the extremist, violence obsessed Ukraine central government? Michael Collins
I support Novorossiya with all my heart, and aid their cause to the best of my ability. But this interview.. i feel something odd when watching it. For some reason i doubt it’s authenticity. Anyway it’s unprofessional to air this kind of claims on national tv without some serious evidence. Because if that’s not true, our enemies automatically become right about us regarding Goebbels-like propaganda accusations. Our russian tv are one of a kind, that’s for sure…
Hi!
My name is Aleksandar Vjestica, I’m from Croatia. Before the civil war in Croatia and Yugoslavia I didn’t know I was a serb, after that I accepted to be a croat (because after 500 years of my ancestors living in croatian lands I couldn’ be “defined” as anything else just like algerian or senegali who got French citizenship), and now I’m free of these definitions because my country simply doesn’t exist anymore. The same might happen again to the country which evolved beyond simple “nationalities”.
Since the beginning of the troubles and war in Ukraine I’ve been following it and have a strong urge to do it every day – because it looks like the war in the Yugoslavia more than 20 years ago, for most of the points as far as I can tell, but not all.
While nobody can put the (international) politics aside, I believe the participants here understand some or most points of it, I will not waste your time with it in this comment.
Yes, the quislings still exist in Croatia – but they are a minority just like in Banderastan and they effectively rule the country. Yes there is a majority of normal people who try to live their lives and want nothing with the war and efficiently bury their heads into the sand. Also, there is a large number of individuals who understand what is going on but are too afraid to speak openly (after almost 20 years the war ended) fearful that it will interfere with their “normal” life.
And there is a minority that understand whats going on and talks about it in “appropriate” occasions. So I believe croatians just like ukrainians are afraid to speak of it. That means we live in the country of fear, where EU (“new” Germany – and US tries to control and suppress their ever growing influence…) dictate our moves and are openly announcing they will take control of our country insolvency/economics in 2016, which in turn they created with the help of our “useful” politicians. That effectively created new form of slavery in my country.
I see the same pattern in Ukraine.
But don’t compare nazi quislings (Ustashe, Chetnici, Cherkezi…) of the 2nd WW to these groups today – what is terrifying is that there are 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation who “knows” what happened only from the stories of their fathers and grandfathers – we can be manipulated into it believing to stand for “the good/right cause”. Most of our ancestors and parents were dragged into the war by the simple logic of “I have a big gun and you will come with me or die”. They didn’t have other means of information other than that guy with the gun.
And there is indeed a difference between freedom loving people and fear inducing fascists – the first give chance to everybody, again and again, to see there can be freedom for all while the second destroy anything that doesn’t go along with their views. I don’t want to “transform” into the latest.
My point is we would do it wrong if we do not evolve the methods of our ancestors. That’s why the fascism survived and still can be identified under that name. The self-defense forces should restrain from revenge while we should spread the information as much as possible, in all European languages if possible, on ukrainian sites/side, youtube…I urge portals in russian language to translate relentlessly.
Otherwise I feel freedom might be defeated even after 60 years…
I have no doubt that this could have happened. Lets not forget that ISIS crucified 8 rebels they considered too moderate only a couple of weeks ago. That could have given some sick asshole ideas.
These people mave zero compassion and zero morals. It is obvious by their shelling of residential areas and firing on unarmed civilians that they do not consider these people humans at all.
As for the foreigners/mercenaries… I really hope that Novorossia considers shooting/executing any and all foreigners captured. Why give mercy to these fiends who have no cause to fight on Ukrainian soil? Make it policy. Perhaps then the idiots will think twice before heading to Ukraine.
I’m in a bad mood today after seeing the latest horrors on SouthFront’s Facebook page. It pisses me off that western media continues to sweep this under the rug.
Norwegian Bob
BOT TAK:
Pretty sick, eh? It gets worse in the rest of the article.
This is unfortunately a far to common type of character to popup from the West in many a war. There is a circle of people who consider the opportunity to participate in a battle with no rules the ultimate sort of “sporting” hunt – “Kill or be killed”. There is a genre of literature on this as well, not just the Lord of the Flies type of book which in the absence of Christian morality essentially glorifies in the mind of impressionable boys the concept of hunting a fellow human being, but short stories explicitly based on the theme – a safari to hunt a fellow humans in a “park” setting. The most famous is probably “The Most Dangerous Game”:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game
which used to be a common book on the curriculum in American High Schools, but there are many others, and it has been repeatedly glorified in Hollywood. A well known example are the James Bond films “The Man with the Golden Gun” and “Octopussy” and of course the first of the “Rambo” movies is an entire movie dedicated to the theme.
The same desires were behind the creation and spread of the so-called game of Paintball, which is nothing other than simulated battle or human hunting and promotes the same sentiments of the “rush” of the “ultimate” hunt.
Back to Ukraine, unfortunately, this conflict is being used for this sort of War Tourism, something that has not really been possible for those so interested to take part in a relatively controlled and “safe” setting since the lawless 2003-2004 period in Iraq – the key here being the willingness of the agressive government to allow and back private armies (Blackwater and the like in Iraq and also the US Armed Forces in places like Fallujah, the Kolomoisky and Liashko battalions in Ukraine) in which the participant can fulfill his sick desires in a state supported structure.
According to kommersant.ru, military retaliation is being considered by the Kremlin for the cross border shelling.
english translation…
A source close to the Kremlin, told Kommersant that Moscow is considering the opportunity of application of point retaliatory attacks on the Ukrainian territory.
Ukrainian war violated the border
Odessa massacre hearing at EU Parliament in Brussels sabotaged by Maidan activists brought from Kiev
http://professorsblogg.com/2014/07/12/odessa-massacre-hearing-at-eu-parliament-in-brussels-sabotaged-by-maidan-activists-brought-from-kiev/
This twitter account (supposedly a retired Canadian captain in Ukraine) is active again with lots of fresh info of what is going on
https://twitter.com/BradCabana
I am not suggesting this is true or false.
It may very well be true, and I am inclined to believe it. But the title of this post is unnecessarily sensationalist: the eyewitness account is given as a fact in the title, a toddler is turned into a baby for more dramatic effect… really, there is no need to resort to this. Presenting it as what it is (i.e. the testimony of a sickening atrocity by an eyewitness) would be much more appropriate.
@I am from ex-Yugoslavia…
Only for the reason of clarity – otherwise, it is pointless to argue with your “reasoning” because “croats are the bravest people in the world, not because they aren’t afraid of anything, but because they aren’t’ ashamed of anything” – I’d like to ask you the following question:
Never mind the more nationalistic types, which side would an average croat prefer to fight on today in the Ukraine vs. an average Serb?
To one living in the United States this woman’s claim might seem to incredible to be true. Impossible to the American mind? Maybe. But my dear mother in law was a young girl in Lithuania during the WW2 years and what she witnessed is just as horrific, or more, as this woman’s claim. There is no doubt such things happen. This is no doubt the U.S. has sponsored groups carrying out such atrocities in the past. Latin America. So how and why are the claims of this woman so easily discarded.
Wake up Americans. Look at how your local police departments are now armed. You are next.
@Anon 12.59
” a toddler is turned into a baby for more dramatic effect.”
Seriously? That is one fine hair to split on this…
@Paul
Kremlin have denied this information about point retaliatory attacks aimed at junta artillery.
Andrew,
Not sure if I found this link on Saker’s blog, but gives some of the history of 1943 atrocities carried out (against Poles and Jews) by the Banderistas.
http://www.anti-orange-ua.com.ru%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fp%3D20669%26sid%3D41787e572fa449ae05a75173b51a84f8%2320669&edit-text=
Shocking the depravity of which humans are capable – and we see more of the same today in Ukraine.
HypocritesRus,
Data, please. Your allegations and accusation have zero credibility without it. I.e., try again, and please do a better job of it.
For example, someone commented that there is no Lenin Square in Slavyansk. If there really isn’t a place there that could reasonably be termed Lenin Square, that would affect the validity of this woman’s claims.
More to the point, if you or anyone else is able to prove there is no such place, then you will see quite clearly how honest people respond. So far, however — and it’s not something with which any of us is happy — the weight of the actual evidence provided demonstrates quite clearly the active involvement by various elements of the US Deep State in what is going on in Ukraine. Your allegations, otoh, do nothing whatever to establish any at all by Russia. There very well may be, but accusing anyone here of “tirades”, “cowardice” and the like strongly suggests you have nothing better to offer.
If you do, then please provide it.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1405329054 claims with Slawjansk local underground forces as the source, that the story is fake, as well as that of the executed mothers.
What constitutes a witness that would satisfy the doubters?
She is either an “hysteric”, so shocked by what she has experienced that she “fabricated the story” and told it to the Russian TV people. This story-telling as part of her mental condition. She could have seen photos from Yugoslavia or WWII and then created her own testimony. It is a possibility.
Or, she is a great actress, planted by Kiev among the refugees to tell this fantasy so it could be discredited.
And what do we do to discredit her story?
She said it happened out in the open in the daytime among a group of other citizens.
So, is that hard or easy to discredit?
After all, we all see the evidence of crimes against humanity in Novorossiya on a daily basis. They are on YouTube, RT, LiveLeak and from multiple cameras. Are we hallucinating when we see the evidence and tell others of the horrors?
Have they spread a psychosis over all our minds, also? Or are we all “plants”, working for Kiev so they can discredit the testimony we give to others?
This morning I opened up a Show/Hide frame on Voiceseavas.ru to see a photo of some horror, and there was a slice of a human head, the nose, some teeth, some flesh. I had a hard time connecting that to reality of a human being who had been decapitated and blown up and sliced in such a way.
It seemed “unreal”, as if it were part of a rubber Halloween mask, not a human.
Trust your senses? Trust your mind?
All I know is that war produces horrors from the air, from artillery and from the hands of men.
It is all psychotic—the policy, the implementation and the perpetrators. It is all criminal
The barbarity of the Ukies is just beginning. When they discover that they are actually going to lose the East, lose the war, lose Maidan and lose the delusion of revival of Ukraine in the EU and NATO, they will do things even more bizarre and satanic.
The national politics is hate and it has hold of their minds and hearts. They are drugged on hate. And there is no coming back from that.
I sense that Russia understands it and will see to it that no Ukraine government can mobilize its people again. Ukraine must be shattered like the human in that photo I saw. Obliterated as an entity. Decommissioned like Chernobyl.
Ukraine should never have been recognized as a nation. It no long can be recognized as a nation. It is a disease of the spirit and a psychotic trauma generated by the Hegemon and set loose on Russians and Russia.
The entire project is like a Sci-Fi movie, only real. It’s all real. Too real for a sane mind to easily grasp and process.
Re: the toddler story.
1.I am sure these things can happen.
2. I need corroboration by at least another source before confirming it as “true”.
After all, remember the young woman in tears describing how, during the Kuwait/Iraq war, Iraqis came to a hospital, took newborns out of incubators, and threw them on the floor. She was pretty convincing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y
She later retracted that story, it was totally fabricated. Turns out she was the daughter of … Kuwait’s ambassador to the United States.
So I’m not saying “false”, but I’m not saying “true” either. I’ll wait.
This is horrifying beyond my own realm of belief. Why isn’t anyone trying to do anything to help these people. My heart is sadden to the point of dropping to my knees in prayer. Why do most look away? I’ve read much lately how no one believed what the SS did during WW2 until so many had already been killed. My heart is bleeding for these innocent people! Praying in total disbelief. Blessings!
Can anybody explain me how she escaped from Slavyansk? I can’t get it. If she could escape with 4 children, many others could escape too. Very strange… More of these stories and the “anti-fascist” propaganda will be totally discredited.
@EVERYBODY:
Ok. Now I am getting fed up. I let the baby vs toddler comment pass (even though toddler was a translation INTO ENGLISH from the Russian “3 year old boy” which could be translated either way, at least by me who has English not as a first language, but as a 3rd or 4th depending on how you count: I have no idea when a baby is upgraded to toddler. I though that it was the same thing). What fucking difference does baby/toddler/boy/kind/son/child make anyway when you are talking about a friggin CRUCIFIXION. Then there was this totally unreal comparison with the “Kuwaiti incubators” disinformation case as if Hill & Knowlton (or its Russian equivalent I suppose) was working in Novorussia. But now this:
Can anybody explain me how she escaped from Slavyansk? I can’t get it. If she could escape with 4 children, many others could escape too. Very strange
Yes, I can. First, most combatants evacuated with their families and her husband is in the resistance. Second, the Ukies do eventually let women and children go (the ones they don’t kill first, of course). And third, people sometimes make it on their own. But that is not strange.
What is strange is the systematic influx of comments each time I post something about human rights violations. I mean, of course and by definition any such report could be a fake, but is that a reason to doubt them all? What is wrong with you guys?!
Finally, I got an email from a private contact which confirmed to me that *this* story is true. I have asked for a written and signed statement from the source and if I get it, I will post it (not that this will stop some of you to doubt me, the text or the source).
Now about Bushell’s report: yes, he did get some images wrong. To a civilian like him and explosion looks like and explosion. He is not the only one: I have seen that (admittedly spectacular) bridge explosion shown in all sorts of setting which had nothing to do with it. But, guys, this is a REPORTER not an military analyst or a legal experts. You don’t like Bushell’s style – fine. I can understand that. But the *substance* of what he is showing is absolutely true.
Unless this is an organized campaign to systematically deny and minimize the numerous Ukrainian atrocities committed by the Nazi forces, I can only conclude that there is something in the mind of the western civilian who has not seen combat which results in a knee-jerk rejection and an instinctive minimization of such reports. Those who study warfare know better. For example, in Algeria there were several instances of babies (or tollers for the anally compulsive folks) who were crucified on the doors of homes (though, in true, the government blamed the GIA but a lot of sources suspected the GIA to be manipulated by the government to discredit the FIS). We also know that al-Qaeda (and its various local franchises) crucify people. So sorry for the delicate souls out there, but civil wars are all horrible, atrocities are the norm, and crucifixions are not beyond the norm of such events.
I ask you all to think carefully before dismissing or denigrating reports of atrocities and keep two things in mind: a) don’t let stupid details obfuscate the importance of the witness and b) accept that this is a normal consequence of wars and, civil wars.
The Saker
@EVERYBODY: guess what? as soon as I posted the comment above I got another email from a trusted source who said:
“Now, I’m going to look at the comments about that poor child and mother killed in Slavyansk. My information says it is true and I have known for a bit of time, but I was told not to say anything until the incident was public.“
So there: JUST form my own contacts – two separate sources concur and say that she is for real and speaking the truth.
Now, if you insist, please keep on doubting and denying. I said all of what I had to say about that.
The Saker
Nora:
For example, someone commented that there is no Lenin Square in Slavyansk. If there really isn’t a place there that could reasonably be termed Lenin Square, that would affect the validity of this woman’s claims.
The specific place is officially Central Square on Lenin Street. Googling Lenin Square Sloviansk (Площадь Ленина Славянск)seems to indicate it is colloquially named Lenin Square. Here is an example from the Summer of 2013 that uses that name in Russian.
http://vk.com/event55321317
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I chalk that debunking up to another desperate fail by Euromaidan Zombies.
@Saker “Ok. Now I am getting fed up. “
Excellent response! Truly…
With all that has happened to show a Kiev’s total disregard for human rights and the embrace of Nazi style “reprisal” killings by Ukraine’s top dog, this story is well within the realm of the believable as presented. Your effort at additional, written documentation is outstanding. Thanks for all you do to keep us informed.
Sokenekos,
which side would an average(!) croat or serb take in Ukraine?
The one their masters told them to do.
Unfortunately, this video is really from Slavyansk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA1LE6iKMfk
And it tells quite different story… No massacre there, no destroyed city, just normal life…
I don’t know what to think…
Saker said: Yes, I can. First, most combatants evacuated with their families and her husband is in the resistance. Second, the Ukies do eventually let women and children go (the ones they don’t kill first, of course). And third, people sometimes make it on their own. But that is not strange.
Well, it’s really strange because if her husband is in the resistance, shouldn’t she be evacuated with him? If so, how could she see it? If her husband left her behind (who would do it?) she says she is on some dead list. But they let her go anyway…
I’m really on the russian side, but this… To strange…
“Unless this is an organized campaign to systematically deny and minimize the numerous Ukrainian atrocities committed by the Nazi forces…”
Well, there is in fact a huge organized campaign to that effect going on in the media and social media, and of course it blames everything on Russia and the “pro-Russians”, including the Odessa massacre, the shelling of residential areas… everything is supposed to be part of an evil scheme by the Russians to discredit the glorious Ukrainians…
See for example:
https://twitter.com/MiddleEast_BRK/status/488745007839731714/photo/1
There are many people who actually believe those things, which is why it is important for a blog as well known as this one to keep a clear head and a clear distinction between the verbal account of a horrifying atrocity told by one person, and the factual corroborated event. Because if it turns out to be some kind of hoax, your presenting it as a fact will make you an easy pray for ridicule and damage your credibility. It’s that simple.
As predicted, a southern attack from #Donetsk sealed Donetsk Pocket Along the #Russia border. 3000 or 10% of #Ukraine army trapped
https://twitter.com/BradCabana/status/488775921713684480
@saker
Most of people here in Russia are inclined to believe that the interview is fake and it sparked a lot of discussions. They are really not ready to accept that in Ukraine, our “brothers”, as we thought for so long, thanks to remnants of our internationalist agenda i guess, could have possibly fallen so far to do something disgusting like that and it’s dismissed as “Kiselev propaganda”. Most importantly, now for me it’s pretty clear that some influential power wants us to believe it’s fake, considering countless radio and tv shows, so Thank you Saker for opening my eyes. We seriously need to wake up. God help us, we know so little.
I personally don’t need to see such atrocities to know the evil that is at work in Ukraine. War is a cruel business – even a war where combatants obeyed the Geneva Conventions would be a brutal affair. Also, I am certain that there is nothing in the way of torture, sadism, or depravity of any sort that has not been practiced many times over the past 5-6 thousand years by a great variety of peoples on their fellow humans.
To my mind the most cruel and depraved actions in this affair are those of the planners in Washington DC, Europe, or where ever else they sit and their willing partners in Kiev, far from the blood, mud, cries of the wounded, tears of those missing their loved ones, the terror and destruction of peoples lives, – sit and calculate their gains and losses before deciding who next to sacrifice to serve their ends. Choosing to exploit divisions in a society and human failings to tear it apart – there are not really words to describe such evil.
We can pray for some just and speedy resolution but history suggests such hopes be tempered.
@the pessimist -“To my mind the most cruel and depraved actions in this affair are those of the planners in Washington DC, Europe, or where ever else they sit and their willing partners in Kiev, far from the blood, mud, cries of the wounded, tears of those missing their loved ones, the terror and destruction of peoples lives, – sit and calculate their gains and losses before deciding who next to sacrifice to serve their ends. Choosing to exploit divisions in a society and human failings to tear it apart – there are not really words to describe such evil.”
You forgot to include the Kremlin, perhaps because they’re above calculating gains and losses before deciding who next to sacrifice. Because we all know Strelkov, Borodai, Bezler and the rest of the new overlords of Donetsk are just simple concerned average joes who felt the humane calling to protect the peaceful citizens of Donbass by accelerating their rate of their destruction with an armed confrontation with the government of Ukraine. The fact that the Kremlin is one of the primary beneficiaries of this policy of chaos in Ukraine is only accidental. Hardly worth mentioning.
Anon – as the Maidan coup and war in Ukraine were bought and paid for by Washington no I did not include the Kremlin. Perhaps you refer to Crimea as a ‘benefit’ desired by the Kremlin? Russia would have been happy to maintain the lease arrangement with a stable, trustworthy partner but I am sure they read the writing on the wall following the coup and realized that Washington’s friends in Kiev would soon renege on the lease as Yushenko tried to do before. With a population overwhelmingly in favor of separating themselves from those who seized power what happened was both logical and handled in a respectful manner.
I am sure the Kremlin is acutely aware and interested in what becomes of its neighbor under the tutelage of Washington and has reacted to the situation hoping to mitigate the potential negative consequences.
Do those in Washington care one whit for the Ukrainian people? Given their behavior I am sure they do not – they simply occupy a geostrategic resource. Does the Kremlin? Yes, assuredly.
I’ve read the post of this atrocity by Saker. He gave you information that he has. You can draw your own conclusions from that information.
Those who ask how the lady got out or why she was not evacuated with her husband during Stelkov’s tactical withdrawal, who knows? Many family members did not leave with our army for a variety of reasons. Some of those family members are dead now. Fact. Her only recourse to escape was to head for the east border with Russia with her children. The journey is perilous, through territory occupied by an enemy who has no scruples about shooting down anyone. By the grace of God she made it and got her children to safety. I am sure she and her children have been whisked away to a place of safety far from the border areas. If right sector finds her they will kill her and the children. Fact.
This lady obviously saw something that has deeply shocked her. Her verbal and body language are chapter and verse the same as the evacuees we have succored here in Krim and I have spoken to. When I wrote of our evacuees I did not put in anywhere near all they told me or us, I didn’t even mention what the youngest child told me he/she had seen. All I will say of that is when a grown woman who served as a nurse close to the front in Afghan, both Chechnyan wars and Bosnia has tears running down her face as that child was speaking and two other women had to leave the room, you know it was bad. The truly tragic, and frightening, thing is the child was completely emotionless as he/she spoke.
As for there being no ‘Lenin Square’ in her city, maybe so. There are many local colloquialisms in every town and city. For instance I defy you to find on a map ‘Ekatarina Square’ or ‘Katya’s Door’ in Sevastopol. Both refer to Nahximova Square in City Center. ‘Katya’s Door’ actually refers to the columned portal at the old Imperial Landing on the water side of Nahximova Square officially known as Empress Ekatarina’s Gate.
The refugee situation is getting much worse as the fighting intensifies. Be prepared for more stories of hideous atrocities as the refugees arrive. Is this story true? I have been told by someone whom I trust with my life that it is true. We have watched the video with the nurse aforementioned and several others numerous times, and this was before Saker published the atrocity. The nurse believes the story is true. I believe it is true. If I find in future I and we are wrong I will be the first to report that.
We have now approaching 35,000 refugees in Krim. The Ukes are standing at the two border crossings with lists of people they will not let out. Fact. They have taken some people away at the borders. Fact. We got more of ours out Sunday. I will write of them later this week. We have more on the way.
Dear The Saker,
A UK newspaper has picked up the story – just read their propaganda:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-2691617/Russian-state-TV-sparks-outrage-claiming-Ukraine-army-CRUCIFIED-three-year-old-boy-Kremlin-threatens-military-strikes-neighbour.htm
OK, Saker, now that 2 other sources have confirmed the story, I’m satisfied (so to speak — what a nightmare!). After all, this is a basic rule of journalism, to have the story corroborated by at least one other source … :)
Everyone mist understand that the US is not a moral or ethical nation, it is a decaying and degenerate empire. An empire of evil, warmongering, torture and violence. If you acknowledge that you will be immune to the lies and propaganda that is constantly spewed by Western based media.
@What is strange is the systematic influx of comments each time I post something about human rights violations.
Because it is probably true and also it is probably that the perpetrators are the ones who can be “victims” of “blood libel”.
This is very disturbing. Crucifixion seems to be occurring in a number of countries in which the US has been involved. As far as I know there is little or no MSM reporting of it. Could it be part of their escalating war on Christianity?
article on CIA involvement in backing Syrian reberls:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2014/04/23/306233248/cia-is-quietly-ramping-up-aid-to-syrian-rebels-sources-say
article on crucifixions in Syria and Western media silence of them:
http://www.eutimes.net/2014/05/media-silent-about-christian-crucifixions-in-syria/