Thousands of nationalists are protesting in front of the Ukrainian parliament in Kiev. The demonstrators are threatening to oust Ukrainian MPs and Petro Poroshenko’s administration if Kiev allows elections in Donbass.
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Good,let them openly rebel and hopefully overthrow the junta. An “openly” fascist regime coming to power (or starting a civil war) would be the best thing in Ukraine. It would quickly polarize the country. And leave it open to liberation by the anti-fascist elements. It would be a disaster for the Western propaganda about a “democratic Ukraine”.Openly supporting a fascist Ukrainian regime would loose the West mass support Worldwide.
How would we distinguish a fascist regime taking over from the fascist regime that is the junta?
As for polarization? The Ukies are uniformly behind their one national creed: Hate Russia.
The West supporting nazis is what the West has been doing since the 30’s. It is not shocking to anyone except Americans who just recently, due to Trump, begin to see some truth about Russia and about Putin.
I think real fascists instead of the plundering Jews of Kiev junta would be more deadly and more of a risk than the incompetent clowns, criminals and child-killers of the last two years.
“How would we distinguish a fascist regime taking over from the fascist regime that is the junta?”
The hyenas in power today are “childsplay” compared to the likes of Biletsky and his gang. It won’t be hard to see the difference.
“As for polarization? The Ukies are uniformly behind their one national creed: Hate Russia.”
I don’t believe that. I think there are millions of terrorized Ukrainians that would support the ouster of fascism and good relations with Russia again. The Russians seem to agree. A statement today from the Crimean leader said almost just that.
“The West supporting nazis is what the West has been doing since the 30’s. It is not shocking to anyone except Americans who just recently, due to Trump, begin to see some truth about Russia and about Putin.”
Not only the US ,European’s don’t get to “pass the buck” entirely on that. The EU is “neck deep” in the Ukrainian coup. And saying “we were only following orders” didn’t work at Nuremburg. Why do you think it works with me today.You might be surprised about how little 99% of Americans care about Trump’s relations with Putin or Russia (even if they’ve even heard about them).
“I think real fascists instead of the plundering Jews of Kiev junta would be more deadly and more of a risk than the incompetent clowns, criminals and child-killers of the last two years.”
They don’t seem to be any better. The NAF kicks their a$$ every fight they have.Its the real military that the NAF say fight better (somewhat),not the nazi thugs.
Childsplay or not, watch that:
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2016/05/19/7108939/&usg=ALkJrhj2x33TGvRMPBzP8RMhQ4u_ud4IRw
Dnipropetrovsk and a few cities have new names
Thursday, May 19, 2016, 11:03
Verkhovna Rada renamed the city of Dnipropetrovsk in Dnipropetrovsk region in Kamenka, returning him the name which the city had until 1936 ..
The corresponding bill №4085 as a basis and as a whole supported the 249 deputies.
Also in the city of Donetsk region Artemovo renamed the Iron.
City Komsomolsk in Poltava region became a city Gorishnii Plavni (Upper Plavni).
The city Ulyanovka in the Kirovograd region was renamed in Blagoveshchensk, and the city Kuznetsovsk in the Rivne region – the city Varashev.
City Tsyurupinsk in the Kherson region was renamed Oleshky.
Parliament also renamed many villages and settlements in different areas.
For the same bill number 4691 in the framework of decommunisation voted 253 deputies.
They Chapaevo village in Vinnytsia region was renamed into New Khomenko.
In the Dnepropetrovsk region village Krasnoznamenka was Bilyakovkoy and Radselo village – the village happy, urban village Braginovka – Railway village.
In Kirovograd region village of Volodymyr-Ulyanovka Novoulyanovka renamed the village, and the village of the Third International – in the third village.
In Lugansk region village Sverdlovka was Novoegorovkoy.
Kirovo village in Odessa region was Troyandovym village, the village Kujbyshevo in Poltava region was the village of Pokrovskoye, the village Kommisarovka in the Kherson region – the village of Primorsk.
In the Kharkiv region village Artemovka renamed the village high, and in Chernihiv region was the village of Peter Cherry.
Head of the Verkhovna Rada of Andrei Paruby said: “Next Thursday we will continue and complete the de-communization.”
Recall, the Verkhovna Rada also renamed the city in Dnepropetrovsk Dnepr.
Last Thursday, May 12 Parliament renamed the 124 settlements , in particular the city of Krasnoarmeysk of Donetsk region was the city of Pokrovsk city Dimitrov – the city Mirnograd; City of Odessa region Kotovsk on renamed in Podolsk, a city in Schors Chernihiv region became a city Snovsk.
Alain Roschenko, UP
Topics: Ball Decommunization Verkhovna Rada legislation
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As military fighters, the ukrainian nazis may be less capable than the current Ukrainian army. But that would not be the concern that I see. If the nazis were to take power from the current government, their ideological fervor might lead to an even greater oppression of the ordinary citizens. The situation could go from bad to worse. Restraint might disappear entirely.
That is the point. The more open oppression they use,it will polarize the country. And cause the counter-revolution so desperately needed by the Ukrainians,to help oust the fascists totally. It is a bad thing for our side if they are able to create and keep power as a “normal” authoritarian dictatorship.People are terrorized into accepting that type of system. And it could keep going for decades. Its better for our side the more “unacceptable” their regime is.That causes the people to rise against them.Which is certainly what is needed there.
surely that would help Russia a lot, but i do not think they will be allowed to do it, unless US wants there a real nazi regime.
It would be good to see the fascists killing each other, but, with full Western support, led by the USA, they never go away. These Ukronazis spent decades safely incubating their fascism in Australia, Canada and the UK, and just the other day the news was full of Vietnamese fascists, complete with the ‘flag’ of the death-squad Quisling ‘South Vietnamese’ puppet regime, protesting in Australian cities. The thought that these scum might spread destruction and civil strife back home safe from rat-holes here, fills me with rage. Nazism and fascism is definitely on the march, again, led by the Fourth, Yankee, Reich.
Stol-Ten-Berg is today the most dangerous Natoist.
Beware of him.
He might even get a Nobel Prize for Peace from his own Natoist country.
The war is peace said Orwell.
Stol-Ten-Berg is a son of a bitch but he is “our American” son of a bitch, read stooge.
That guy should end up for trial in “Haag” or “Nurnberg”, for sure he will end up as a war criminal.
The goal of the Natoists, America is included too already, to wipe Russia off the map,
to create a Unipolar world.
On its helm would be USA and her first ring of vassals.
The question I ask is “why are these fit young men full of energy and fire – not advancing their anger and intent where it should be – to support their claim/angers/disagreements etc”
Highway M – 03 starts on other side of Dnepr lads – grab your guns and go forth
Oh – and don’t forget to take a body bags with you for return ticket
Just yesterday I was discussing with a comrade on the issue of the Trizub. I was arguing that those carrying flags of The Ukraine with Trizub are those supporters of Maidán and Banderist Ukraine. He, on the contrary, argued that this is The Ukraine´s flag and may be used by both, nationalists and not nationalist people.
I would like someone here could make clear this issue for all.
Also this comrade was telling me that in the past Immortal Regiment Parade in San Sebastian there were also Ukrainians, but they were afraid of appearing on TV because of fearing reprisals against their relatives in Kiev and Western Ukraine.
So, most probably, there are many people in The Ukraine who does not support the Junta in Kiev, much less these Banderist Nazis, only they are frightened enough to not show themselves nor express their mind anywhere.
But…what to do with all these parading?
When I see this scum demonstrating I could not but remember Grandpa Stalin……
I would like to know, from all followers / fans of Solzhenitsyn, and those who condemn Stalin in an unmitigated way, what would they do with all these people. What I mean is that I wanted to hear what solution they see for all these crap.
Simple productive Solution: _work_ and (probably first- rather than re-) education _camp_.
What was it with keeping Chernobyl safe for a longer time??
sarkophag
https://www.google.de/search?q=chernobyl+sarkophag+safe&biw=1280&bih=813&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidnsnWquvMAhXLwBQKHRZfB2MQ_AUIBigB
I mean, if they realllllllllly love Ukraine (and EU) so much, then the best place to do something helpful can only be Chernobyl.
What happened actually to their strike and finacial situation?
It worries me to think about such unmaintained old plants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaporizhia_Nuclear_Power_Plant
“””””The Zaporizhia Nuclear Power Station (Ukrainian: Запорізька АЕС) in Enerhodar, Ukraine, is the largest nuclear power plant in Europe and the third largest in the world.”””””
http://www.globalresearch.ca/catastrophe-at-ukraines-zaporozhye-nuclear-power-plant/5422212
“””””Catastrophe at Ukraine’s Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant?
By George Eliason
Global Research, January 03, 2015″””””
Hi elsi, I can confirm this 100%.
and as for the https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trysub (sadly not in English)
Also confirmed.
It is simply the coat of arms of Ukraine.
You find at at every official institution, every border crossing and as official state symbol (important under intl. law!) in every passport:
https://www.google.de/search?q=ukrainian+passport&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjswqLDqOvMAhVCVhQKHeLQDrAQ_AUIBygB&biw=1280&bih=851
And this was already like that when I travelled by train all the way to Krasny Liman near Donetsk for the 1st time in 1994.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Ukraine
Tryzub
“””””The modern “trident” symbol was adopted as the coat of arms of the Ukrainian People’s Republic in February 1918. The design has precedents in seals of the Kiyivan Rus’. The first known archeological and historical evidence of this symbol can be found on the seals of the Rurik dynasty. It was stamped on the gold and silver coins issued by Prince Volodymyr the Great (980–1015), who might have inherited the symbol from his ancestors (such as Svyatoslav I Igorevich) as a dynastic coat of arms, and he passed it on to his sons, Svyatopolk I (1015–19) and Yaroslav the Wise (1019–54). The symbol was also found on the bricks of the Church of the Tithes in Kiyiv, the tiles of the Dormition Cathedral in Volodymyr-Volynskyi, and the stones of other churches, castles, and palaces. There are many examples of it used on ceramics, weapons, rings, medallions, seals, and manuscripts.”””””
As you see it has often been _ab_used as anticommunist symbol.
But originally is was neutral.
Thanks, Martin, for the information. That´s my point, Martin, although being the historical coat of arms of The Ukraine today is being used by the “Nazionalists” mainly.
Curiously, when you see parading Ukrainian people who are against the Nazi Junta/ Maidán they always wear the blue/yellow flag without Trizub.
Seer the videos on my post below.
Elsi, 12.43 pm, your comment intrigues me, really, the demonstrating, parading scum, and all that “crap”, and you thinking of Grandpa Stalin, just then . . .
Certainly, crap, or shit, happens – or happened – apparently, there were even specially trained male nurses never far from dear ole Grandpa Stalin at public functions, to clear up any unfortunate accidents. Fear and crap do go together, so to say . .
“I saw Stalin and I talked to him. I didn’t soil my pants and I didn’t see any magical force in him. He was an ordinary, shabby, little man, short, fat with reddish hair. His face was covered with pockmarks, and his right hand was noticeably thinner than his left. He kept hiding his right hand. He didn’t look anything like his numerous portraits.”
But that’s just from an old book of memories of long ago. (Testimony, Dmitri Shostakovitch)
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So what? What´s your point?
Any suggestion on what to do with this scum? Or it is that they does not seem scum to you?
And what about that “very personal” description of Stalin?
Have I said anytime or anywhere that Stalin was in any way exceptional?
Precisely, his merit, which he had, was the achievements he managed to do for the Russian people being an ordinary guy, from the people, who had almost no training opportunity. Obviously, as he came from a poor, proletarian family, with few means to make selection at level of physical characteristics when facing marry, as they usually do highborn people / oligarchs, ( Donald Trump style ), no one denies that he was a tough guy, he himself said of himself ( even in front of the cheers by the Politburo ) that he had never stopped being “a guy from the mountains, that apprentice in the railway workshops of Tblisi“. No one has ever claimed that he was an Adonis, nor admire him for that. The physical, outer beauty, is only so greatly valued by people like Nazis and oligarchs. Stalin did everything in his hand to provide Russian people mainly with inner beauty, through access to culture and health.
Finally, you will have to follow intrigued, because this is my last word about Stalin. This thread is not about him. You’re just trying to divert the topic with bagatelles.
Amusing as always to come across an average Westerner forever possessed by the irrepressible urge to submit some random, irrelevant garbage denigrating Stalin whenever somebody — elsi in this case — doesn’t toe the Western Party Line on the man.
In case it has escaped anybody: Stalin set a most impressive template for how to deal with rabid Western animals thirsting for Russia’s wealth without being appropriately invited. According to these scum, the words invitation and invasion are freely interchangeable. Small wonder Stalin is none of their darlings.
There’s quite a deal of reason to suspect that the Shostakovich tract was a propaganda invention. There has been a real cottage industry of fraudulent ‘Soviet documents’ produced since the once in a millennium Quisling Yeltsin destroyed the USSR on orders from his Yankee masters.
@Mulga Mumblebrain: Exactly my thoughts, yes.
All of the marchers look like young men. There seems to be a gender gap.
You are right. That is “the” problem. The fascists have had 25 years of propaganda taught to the young in schools. It should never have been permitted.,but through stupidity it was. So because of that, now at liberation it will have to be reversed. For those without any real historical knowledge,they have “bought” the BS. It will “have” to be pulled out of the schools and media “by the roots”. And those responsible for spreading it send to prisons or the gallows. To me that will be the hardest job of the coming liberation. And must be carried out without any backtracking. And absolutely no second thought,no matter the phony tears from the West about human rights abuses. The one and only answer for them is to be told,where were your tears for Odessa and Donbass.
“The fascists have had 25 years of propaganda taught to the young in schools.”
If this is true it is similar to what the fascist BJP has done with textbooks in India, which have been rewritten to favor BJP politics. The Saudis fund schools which preach their extreme worldview and Jewish settlers in the West Bank use textbooks which refer to Palestinians as Amelikites, a group exterminated in the Old Testiment. There seems to be a pattern with fascists manipulating the education of children.
In any case, concerning Ukraine, I think the views of the public are murky because government repression makes dissent dangerous. Given the disasters that followed the coup, I expect many Ukrainians have buyers remorse. Do Ukrainians enjoy being humiliated as a colony of the U.S./NATO? Maybe post-WWII Germany offers a guide for how to deal with Ukraine’s fascists.
Not really. The only work done in Germany was “cosmetic”. Many of them came back to power under different labels. Only the most well known and fanatic were punished.
That’s too bad. Still, I have been under the impression that for a long time after WWII Nazism did not have currency in Germany.
That’s true in a way. Nazism in itself didn’t (doesn’t).But the people connected to the nazi and fascist ideology,as well as fellow travelers, (ex-party members and believers) pretty quickly regained power in the country. There is a line,though a fine line, (that most people always confuse) between nazism and fascism. Probably the best way to think of it is ,you must be a fascist to be a nazi. But you can be a fascist without being a nazi.Nazism has a particular racial or ethnic element that classic fascism doesn’t have to include (though it sometimes does).So while nazism in Germany is only a fringe belief. Elements of fascism are more openly believed in elite circles.If you check the bio’s of many of the German officialdom and economic elite from the 1950’s through to the 1980’s (some even later). You’ll find connections to the nazi past. And of course now,you’d find connections by way of ancestry to that same past.
I wonder if the U.S. PR industry could have done better. They are the world experts at manipulating public opinion.
Anyway, as an American, I think we need to worry about own house and not other countries like Germany. I am hoping Clinton will be indicted over the email scandal and Sanders wins the nomination. Emailgate is a major underreported story because the U.S. press is protecting Clinton.
All 100% correct, Uncle Bob 1.
But never omitt that you discuss west-germany.
In East-Germany it was different, better.
The West-German state is a 100% continuation of Nazi-Germany, run by the Cabal.
Did you see my comments at /germany-sitrep-researcher-c-talks-to-scott-may-18th-2016/#comment-238217 ?
can someone give the Russian perspective on this Ukie propaganda point? It’s like their central rhetorical weapon. My response was Igor is a white Russian ideologue who overinflates the purpose of the rebellion and who committed a post hoc post ergo propter hoc fallacy in saying it.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/russias-igor-strelkov-i-am-responsible-for-war-in-eastern-ukraine/511584.html
Although has not been reported, not even here in this blog, the people in The Ukraine has celebrated the 9 May Victory Day and they also went out with their Immortal Regiments despite the prohibition, obstruction by the police and harassment and beating by Azov bullies.
See for yourself in the following link by El Territorio del Lince blog. It includes videos on 9 May Immortal Regiments parading in Kiev, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa…..
“The black swan….”
http://elterritoriodellince.blogspot.com.es/2016/05/el-cisne-negro.html
….”Appears radiant, beautiful, with strenght. It is the Antifascist black swan in Ukraine.
Fascism in Ukraine is hardly concealable, though Western-called democrats try to do. For the West, Ukraine is white, nazi, but white, immaculately Democrat.
But it is also difficult to conceal the value of antifascist Ukrainian people, but for the very democratic West does not exist. With the Communist Party banned, with statues reminiscent of the Soviet past demolished, with the change of names of streets, cities …; with the constant prohibitions: Ribbon of St. George, the red flag …; with such unprecedented measures as stupid as that on March 8, the International Day of Working Women, ceasing to be festive “as it is in any Western country” (sic) …; despite all this, the anti-fascist Ukrainian people does not forget, goes out and claims and commemorates.
It’s what happened on May 9, the Victory Day over Fascism, a day that the neo-Nazi junta in Kiev wants to eradicate from the popular imagination and so banned demonstrations. Any protest in the very democratic West? Of course not. But people ignored the ban and went out, despite the Nazis (in the videos you will see what they do), despite the police, despite everything. And they came out to honor the “Immortal Regiment”. They went out to remember the history and that history is what it is and not what the West (and Ukrainian Nazis who supports) wants to rewrite.
The Ministry of Internal Affairs of The Ukraine, little suspicious of Bolshevism or the like, has said that about one million, yes, you read that right, one million people “defied the law” and went to the demonstrations of “Immortal Regiments” throughout the country.
When people lose their fear they begin to have all won. In Ukraine there are fewer fear. Despite the killings, despite the attacks, despite the arrests, despite intimidation, despite the West.
Examples there are thousands. On 2 May was commemorated the attack on the House of Unions in Odessa. More than fifty dead with not anyone accused and without advancing one iota in the investigation. The West “demanded” from the neo-Nazi Ukrainian government an investigation. Neither it has been done nor will be done. Two years have passed. The West shut up and let the Nazis do. This past May 2 mothers of those killed came to remember their murdered children. The appointment was at the Kulikovo Square, near the site and was cordoned off by 2,500 policemen. Yes, you have read wel againl, 2,500 police to deal with a handful of mothers.
As the Argentine Mothers of Mayo, as Mexican from Ayotzinapa, these mothers are alone demanding justice for their children. They are a few, but they will be thousands. Despite repression. Victoria Machulko, the most active mother, was arrested and her house was searched. Now she is free with the prohibition of public speaking Hurrah for freedom of expression defended by the very democratic Western governments that support the Ukrainian Nazis! – and so does one of the best known promoters of the 9 May demonstrations, Valentin Lukyanik, a renowned cardiologist from Kiev”.
The antifascist black swan is starting to flap their wings. The fascists begin to tremble.
Elsi, re your reply 11.3, “any suggestion on what to do with this scum?”
I think it is in the nature of scum to decompose, self immolate. So not really.
“You’re just trying to divert the topic with bagatelles”:
I don’t know if Shostakovitch ever wrote any ‘bagatelles’
Re the above, why not report indeed, just to add
The Ukrainian «black Swan flapped its wings –
source: aboutnews.info › Политика
My most humble contribution to clarify the issue “What is to be done about the Ukro-trash?”.
To properly assess this issue, one has to look at the Ukros — indeed most Eastern European peoples in toto — as the incredibly pathetic, vile Western bootlickers they have always been and proudly remain. We’re dealing here with what I refer to as “Honorary Euro-trash”. Thus, it goes without saying that they feel emboldened by Western arrogance and belligerence, yearning for their due reward as self-styled apostles of “European values”.
In view of the foregoing, the Ukro-trash as well as their kith and kin across Eastern Europe would collapse instantly were Russia to unceremoniously finish off the authentic Euro-trash, thus leaving the ‘honorary’ garbage without its main source of inspiration and admiration.
Nationalism is therefore the problem – do away with it.