Period: December, 2016.
By: Anil Chelampath (a pseudonym)
I just got back to Canada from a 30 day trip through China, and wrote a trip report for my friends here in the Toronto area. Since I am a friend of the Saker, I thought I would polish it up, and submit it to the Saker to see if he might consider it for his blog.
I had always admired China from afar, but to complete the picture decided to see up close the country, the people and the institutions and infrastructure. With my Chinese born Canadian friends, we flew from Toronto to Shanghai. From Shanghai, to the far west, then north-west up to the Gobi Desert, north to Beijing and beyond, and north-east close to the Yalu River. The places I visited included portions of the Ancient Silk Road; segments of the Great Wall at the far western reaches; several Buddhist places (old and new) including the Shaolin Temple – founded by Buddhabhadra circa 495 AD, and followed by Bodhidharma circa 527 AD; and the tombs of Dr. Henry Norman Bethune of Gravenhurst, Ontario, Canada, and Dr. Dwarkanath Shantaram Kotnis, of Solarpur, Maharashtra, India.
Quick Summary:
- China is an industrial giant, and in my opinion is now the No. 1 superpower economically. She produces about 600 million tons of steel a year (mty), compared to about 80 mty in the US, and about 100 mty by Lakshmi Mittal of ArcelorMittal.
- “Bullet” train – The Chinese call these High Speed Trains. The Bullet Train is a game changer. They travel at over 300 kph (km per hour), which is about 186 mph. Once the New Silk Road is built, the Eurasian land mass will change in a manner unprecedented in history.
- Subways: Almost every city I visited had a subway (underground railway, Metro). In every case, they were more advanced and better than our Toronto subway system, in terms of efficiency, cleanliness and speed.
- Cars, trucks: Top of the line vehicles from Japan, Europe, Korea and the U.S. And many produced in China. And they clog the roads everywhere.
- Roadways: Beautifully built and maintained, with a separate lane for electric cycles, scooters and such, and a sidewalk for pedestrians, with raised strips for blind folk.
- The people:
- Friends and acquaintances: Friendly, generous and hospitable to a fault.
- People and officials in public places: Rough mannered, discourteous, uncharitable, racist to varying degrees. On landing at the Shanghai airport, among a sea of yellow faces, I was singled out for a medical test. Wherever we went, at railway stations, airports, hotels and such, one look at me, and I had to produce my Canadian passport for detailed scrutiny, reminiscent of Hollywood movies caricaturing the Soviet police!
- The environment:
- A complete disaster. Killing the planet without any sense or inkling of the Earth being a fragile living entity. Every city I visited had varying degrees of extremely severe smog, with up to half the population wearing face masks.
- The Government: The Party has a tiger by the tail. But if the economic model is not immediately changed, there will be problems, irreversible in nature, both for the people and the planet. I have addressed these issues, and suggested solutions, in the detailed report below. I am taking this liberty, as my way of showing appreciation for the fine gesture that Mr. Xi Jinping made when he visited the younger sister of Dr. Kotnis, during his visit to India a couple of years back. This gentle touch indicates to me that the Party is driven by the same compassionate folks that Norman and Dwarkanath volunteered to fight with, and died for.
Detailed Report
Personal Background
I wish to maintain the anonymity of all the various people I met. But since this report is bound to be subjective, I will introduce myself to explain any biases I may harbour. I am over 70, been in Canada 50 years, just retired from my engineering company, now work part time as a consultant. I was born in East Africa, my folks are Syrian Christians of Kerala, India, followers of St. Thomas the Apostle, who came to India in the 1st Century and died there. The clergy use Syriac Aramaic for liturgy. Some factions owe allegiance to the Patriarch of Antioch.
Thanks to my friends who accompanied me, I met several dozens of their friends and relatives in different parts of the country. These folks were from different walks of life, such as taxi drivers, cooks, store keepers, captains of industry, and some in government and the Party.
Rather than follow a chronological order, I have elected to break the report into various subject matter.
Subway Systems
More than 20 cities have advanced subway systems. The stations are very well constructed. The announcements are always in Chinese and English (generally with a kind of Oxbridge accent). Every car has an electronic map above the door, showing the entire route, where the train currently is, next destination, and so on. The stations have glass partitions close to the platform edge, so that there is no way you can jump on the track. There are sliding glass doors, and the driver lines up the train doors with these sliding doors. I know of a Toronto acquaintance who used to drive a subway train, and told me how frequent are the “jumpers” who commit suicide. This simple system would prevent that. All the trains I saw had overhead electric lines, not the third rail ground level system.
The tickets are sold from machines that are again in Chinese and English, and once you get used to the electronic language, can be easy to use. But for the older folks, this is not easy to master.
John Tory, our Toronto mayor, could pick up a thing or two, if he paid a visit.
High Speed Rail System
The Bullet Train is a wonder on its own right. The trains are sleek, streamlined beauties. You get seat numbers, no standing. The ubiquitous clickety-clack of the rails that you hear all over the world, is gone. All you hear is a smooth “swish”. The issue of the rail joints every 39 feet is gone. The expansion joints are apparently filled with a special material that adjusts itself with the varying temperature. The stone ballast looks similar to what we use in North America, and look well maintained. But no wood ties, all reinforced concrete ties. I used these trains several times, and the speeds (always displayed on electronic boards) were approaching a maximum of 310 kph. They are actually capable of higher speeds. For speed and convenience, it actually makes more sense to travel, say, from Shanghai to Beijing, or Beijing to Xi’an by Bullet Train than by air, and that is what most of the mandarins (civil servants) do.
This would never work in Canada, let alone India. We don’t have the population in Canada to justify this. And our track record for maintaining our tracks is abysmal. And India is much worse. But it could work in parts of the U.S. I suggest Mr. Trump visit China, and he would be truly impressed. He is savvy enough to negotiate a business plan to build these all over the U.S., that would be a big boost for the American economy. As the Chinese say, this would be a win-win-win project (China-2 vs US-1).
Machine/Fabricating Shops
A couple of places I visited:
- Machinery Builder: This was a world class company. Their showroom alone was a huge steel building with three overhead cranes, with various mining and steelmaking equipment, some over 40 feet high. The quality of the workmanship was excellent, and pricing was unbeatable.
- Building Component manufacturer: Not world class in quality, but very competitive. When I pointed out some shortcomings in their design, they were quick to acknowledge, and make corrections.
Steel Mills
I saw one integrated steel mill. This is the classic Soviet design, that you can see all over north India, and most parts of China. All of them use the Blast Furnace route. It is coal based, and is a planet killer. Just the sight of the plumes of smoke from a distance is enough to make one sick. The basic process includes an in-house coal fired power plant, and powdered coal and coke made from coal for the iron making.
Power Plants
We passed one power plant. Their emanations were horrible to watch. Power plants are generally coal fired. I read that China commissions two coal fired power plants a week. That’s right, two a week.
General Observations on Chinese Industries
In almost every case, China takes a working design from another country, and tries to imitate it, with “Chinese characteristics”. This worked in Japan and Korea, and it is applied on a monumental scale in China. In the early days, this approach resulted in some very shoddy work, but now there is a concerted effort by the government to ensure quality, and anything for export has to meet stringent quality controls.
Living Conditions
Example 1:
A family where I spent time with, to the west of Shanghai. House by a river, walled all around, enter through a gate. Up to about 30 years ago, life was extremely hard, everything was rationed. You were lucky to get meat to eat once a year. Because of lack of fuel, you would sometimes go without showers for a month. In the winters, there was no heat in the house. The people here are so hardy, even now they manage indoors without winter heat, which this Canadian resident found unbearably cold. Now they live in a mansion, easily worth a $1m in Canada. One daughter and her husband have a store in town, which stays open 7 days a week, all year. These are unbelievably hard working people, and have benefitted from Deng Xiaoping’s revolution. I spent a few hours upstairs over their store, to rest from jet lag, and the place was packed with noodles that are made daily, with a bunch on the balcony, getting sun dried. The son has a high level position, drives a top end Audi, and I would guess their house would be worth about $2m in Toronto.
At the parents’ house, there are chicken at the back, couple of sheep in a barn nearby, and a plot of land down the footpath, where all kinds of vegetables and fruit are grown.
Example 2:
Family in Beijing. One kid is completely Americanized, goes to an American run school, speaks fluent English with a Yankee accent, plays junior hockey, has a Russian coach. Skis in the winter. Lives in a condo in a gated complex of multi-story condos. Inside is lavishly furnished. Because of this location, this condo would be worth several million. Parents widely travelled to all parts of the world, conversed in moderately good English, I even spoke some Swahili and Spanish with them.
Example 3:
Way up to the north-east of the country. House by a frozen river. An incongruous scene of a guy actually skating on the river, next to the house. The house was built with sheet metal and plastic sheets, and garbage was strewn all over the frozen river. It was bitterly cold, and I can only guess at the conditions inside. Reminded me of my indigenous brothers and sisters in Northern Ontario.
Example 4:
Retired professor in a big city. Lives on a pension in an apartment in the university grounds. Lives modestly but comfortably. Entertained us for dinner in the university cafeteria building. We passed by the kids in the cafeteria, then went to a section where there are large rooms, Chinese style, where they entertained us to a very lavish dinner. We were joined by a few other professors, who were very cordial to me and very respectful to their retired buddy.
The Education System
Basically officially sanctioned child slave labour. The average kid wakes up at 5:30am, after breakfast at home, leaves about 6:00am for school (by bus, taxi, etc.). Lunch and dinner at the school. Back home at 8:30pm. Five days a week. Saturday: Home work. Sunday: Tutoring.
The sole purpose is to pass the exams with the highest possible score, to qualify for the best universities. On meeting some of the kids, I did not get a sense that anyone was having fun learning. For some of the children of the very poor, this is the only ticket out of poverty. Having met some of the graduates in Canada, and their parents in China, I can see the logic, but cannot agree with this approach.
Food and Booze
(Vegetarians can skip this section). At a lavish dinner hosted by some of the local well-heeled friends, near the Shanghai area, I was simply awestruck by the stupendous cuisine. And very distinctive. I will never again say “let’s go out for Chinese.” Every province has its own style of cooking. In the Shanghai region, for instance, “sweet and sour pork” is actually sweet and salty. Not sour, Cantonese style. As you go north, food gets more salty, less sweet. It is customary for a family to say “let’s go out for Szechuan”. Or “Cantonese”. In the far north-west, one of the “delights” was minced donkey meat. And a half-cooked lamb with the head still on, that was brought to us to garner our approval, before they finished the cooking. Near the Mongolian border, the sliced lamb meat literally melted in your mouth.
In one of the group dinners, after hearing that I liked red wine, the hostess brought out a bottle of Chinese red. The label had fake comments about its French pedigree, written in hilarious Chinglish and Frenchlish, and dated “Since 2012”. It tasted like some sort of medication, but to be polite I said it was similar to our Canadian Ontario wines. I said it was not bad, and actually quite good for marinating meat, especially goat meat. She got my drift, and two days later invited my friends and I to a 5 star American hotel, where they actually served a creditable Cabernet Sauvignon from Chile. More about the hotel later.
The native rice wine is stupendous. I tried two kinds, one brownish and milder, and one pure white and much stronger. At a hot pot party, where you dip pieces of lamb into the pot, then dip it into sesame seed paste, they would then down a small glass of this white wine, bottoms up, after each bite. These guys reminded me of Russians, the way they drank, and the camaraderie that got warmer the more they drank.
Toilets
In all the subways, train stations, malls, up-scale hotels, the washrooms are spotlessly clean. But almost always some are Asian squat style, rather than the Westers seat style. The health benefits of the squat toilet is not well known in the “West”, but a search on the internet will yield very good information. As you go further west and north, toilets start getting somewhat “crappy”, and in the boondocks end up being just a hole in the ground, and quite gross. It is extremely important to bring your own supply of toilet paper if you go to the remote regions.
After their deed, about half of the fellas would leave without washing their hands, about the same average as Canada.
Basic Courtesies, Charity (Lack Thereof)
In the entire 30 days that I was in China, I only saw two acts of basic courtesy. In the subways, train stations and bus stops, the folks rush and mill about without a single “excuse me”, “after you” or “thank you”. I don’t mean to me, but to each other. If there is a rush to the elevator or escalator, they would literally shoulder each other off to squeeze in.
In every subway car, just as in any subways around the world, there are always well marked seats on either side, reserved for the aged, infirm, pregnant women and children. In every case, these were occupied by young men or women. Not a single person would get up for an old man, or woman with child.
When I had to travel on a bus, standing room only, an older man, neatly dressed, but frail, was standing near me. When the bus suddenly jerked to a stop, he lost his grip on the side bar, and lurched forward. No one on either side moved to help, so I jumped forward and grabbed him.
I saw a few instances of begging/panhandling. I suspect the authorities try to move them out of sight. In one case, it was an elderly woman, sitting by the side of the sidewalk, one leg painfully contorted, visibly handicapped. It was bitterly cold, and she was dressed in tatters. This was a busy walkway, but not one passerby dropped a yuan. In another instance, what appeared to be an old soldier from his tattered clothes and stiff bearing, was sitting on a small foot high broken stool, painfully playing a tune on his two stringed violin. After a couple of swipes of his bow, he had to rest, he looked so weak. Again, busy walkway, no one dropped a penny. I know a Salvation Army lady in Toronto, who would make short shrift of this situation. But unfortunately, I suspect she would not get any funds in China.
Courtesy #1: I was once travelling with one of my friends in a crowded subway in Beijing, standing next to a couple of burly Turkmen looking guys, one wearing an Islamic taqiyah (skullcap). They were talking to each other in a Turkic sounding language. At one stop, a seat opened up, and as usual there is a fight for the seat. The taqiyah won the battle, but when he sat down, he looked up to see me, saw my features and age, and instantly shot up, and in a forceful way told me to take his seat, which I did and nodded to say thanks. When I got up to get ready for my stop, I said as-salam-alaykum to him, to which he immediately replied wa alaykum salam with a smile. I asked my friend to chat him up a bit. She told me they hailed from Quinghai, in the far west, north of Tibet, and now work in Beijing.
Courtesy #2: In the Shaolin Temple (which I address later), in one area, standing far to one side while the visitors were milling about between temple buildings, I saw a portly middle aged monk, in the usual grey uniform. I venture to guess he was the Abbot, and he did not look happy, watching the undisciplined visitors. When he saw me, he suddenly broke into a warm welcoming smile, put his hands together in the traditional Indian style, and bowed down to give me a namaste. I reciprocated, of course.
Comment on the “Asian” Culture
It is fairly common to hear people of Asian ancestry (Chinese, Indian, Malaysian, and so on) say that Asians are different from the rest of the world, when it comes to dealing with the old, infirm and destitute. That Asians are gentler and kinder. Unfortunately, this is not reflected in reality. The “West” is far superior in this regard. I have found more Buddhist compassion in the West than anywhere else.
Stares, Glares and Racism
A psychologist would have a field day with this subject. I am just a lowly engineer, but I am going to give it a shot. First, some definitions.
“Races” (no basis whatsoever in anthropological reality):
- White: “European stock”, gringos.
- Yellow: Chinese, Han.
- Black: African Negro ancestry, originally south of the Sahara.
- Brown: Latin Americans, Native Americans, North Africans, Arabs, West Asians, South Asians, South-East Asians, Indonesians, Filipinos. There are about 3 billion of “us”. Meaning much more than Han Chinese.
Just as Indians are racist to varying degrees, I was surprised to discover that the Chinese are also racist, but of course with “Chinese characteristics”. It turns out the Han have racist terms for the “darker” species, based on some sort of vague chromatic scale. When it comes to “whites”, there is a peculiar combination of “inferiority/superiority” complex, just as in India. In India, in most of the billboards, ads, Bollywood movies and such, “fair” skin is often associated with beauty. Same thing in China. In almost every outdoor ad, on TV, etc., there is always a Hollywood type of gringo in among the Han. To give the commercial “authenticity”, I guess. And the Han depicted are invariably close to the American model in looks. Complete with hair dyed shades of brown/blond. There seems to be a specific obsession with the “American” idea of perfection.
The irony is that the Chinese are a handsome race, the men, particularly as you go north, are tall, strapping, handsome guys. And the women! If only I were 50 years younger! Just as the cuisine changes from South to North, the women also seem to change, in unique, beautiful ways, same as in India.
First, a digression:
My friends here in Canada, while sympathetic, don’t always quite understand the unique experience of being a minority. I don’t mean my indigenous brothers and sisters, who are now a minority in their own land, but my “white” friends. But when I went with a buddy to Nigeria on a business trip some years back, he was so uncomfortable with the stares wherever he went, because he stood out as a “white” guy, he warned me he would never want that kind of experience again. He called it a trip from hell! Another time, a good friend from Chicago was in a remote mountain area of Peru, doing some research on Toltecs, when he was accosted by a group of young toughs, who said some nasty things about “gringos”, and there was a clear danger of getting stoned, but managed to escape with his life. In my case, 50 years ago Canada was quite an uncomfortable place for “minorities”, but now it is quite multi-cultural, with a black chief of police in Toronto, a Sikh defence minister, and Chinese, black and Indian folks in all levels of business and government.
- After landing at the Shanghai airport, we ended up in a huge group, with this intrepid reporter among literally hundreds of yellow faces, heading towards immigration. Far to the left, I spied a desk with two officials in white lab coats, a man and a woman. The woman stands up and points to me, and in a harsh tone said I should go towards her (my friends translated for me). She then demanded my papers, including my passport and boarding card, and if it wasn’t obvious, my friends pointed out to her that I was arriving from Canada. She then pointed to the lab guy next to her, and gestured that I should go to him, again in very harsh tones. The guy had some instruments on him, and asked me to lift my tongue, and then poked under it with a prod thingie. After several minutes, while he checked some gauge that was hooked to the prod, he imperiously allowed me to proceed.
- Wherever I went, particularly subways, trains and buses where you tend to get visually “exposed”, the stares ranged from the simply curious to quite baleful. Sometimes, walking down a street, a passer-by, or a street cleaner, would stop in his tracks, and actually walk around you, without any smiles or comments, as if watching the panda at the Toronto Zoo. On three occasions, the stare was so baleful, that I would have to go way east of Oshawa, in biker country, to get that kind of look, that says he wants to break every bone in my body. On each of these instances, I went to an inch (25.4 mm) of the guy’s nose, and returned the glare, doing an imitation of Russell Peters. Each time, my friends noticed this, and hurriedly pulled me away.
- When we entered a hotel or restaurant, the waiters or attendants would warmly greet my Chinese friends, but one look at me, would turn away. Even if I tried to catch their eye, and say “nee hao’r u”, no response, no smile.
- At a railway station in the west of the country, as soon as we entered the large waiting hall, all eyes would turn on me, as if on ball bearings.
- When we were boarding the train to go further west, there was a very pretty woman in a red uniform at our car entrance, checking everyone’s tickets. One look at me, “ID please”, in harsh Chinese. My friends helped me with the process, and she let me get on.
- This was a regular train, not the Bullet train, and we had a 6 bed sleeping compartment. The most uncomfortable, intrusive train ride I ever had. There was no door at the entrance, there were seats in the corridor at the entrances. Black clad officials walking up and down, peering at this foreigner. During the night, one official sat on the seat at the entrance, constantly peering in.
- There are signs everywhere, in Chinese and English, warning against “disturbing the social order”, “no loitering”, “no slaptick (sic) behaviour” and so on, or you would be dealt with “according to the relevant laws”. When I kind of “lost it” with a rude steward on a plane, I was cautioned by my friend that getting angry is not allowed. The steward was joined by another burly black clad guy, just to make sure I behaved.
- At a hotel in a big city, we checked in, went out to a Szechuan restaurant with a local friend, on the way back, a guy in plain clothes in the lobby notices me, and gets up and tells my friends that I am not allowed, as I was a foreigner. We call our hostess on the phone, she comes back, has a talk with the guy, while she gestures me to go up to my room. The agreement she got was that I should leave and enter “discreetly”, without talking and hanging around the lobby. Well, for three nights, I had this nagging anxiety of getting a knock on the door.
- I learned later that there are restrictions on associating with foreigners, staying in friends’ houses and so on.
Electrical System
World class transmission system. High voltage transmission up to 1,000 kV AC, and 800 kV DC. Transformers, switchgears, etc. appear to be up to world standards, on a par with GE, ABB and Siemens.
Ghost Cities
I had read about them. Saw several while travelling west and north. Huge apartment blocks, rising suddenly out of the countryside. Not sure how many are occupied.
Internet
I could not access Google or Reuters. But could get the Saker, Sputnik, RT and ZeroHedge. It turns out that Google is viewed with great suspicion. No Google mail, but did get Yahoo mail. The internet is of course a powerful medium for transmitting deadly political viruses, to create Maidans and other malignant movements. So the Government is justifiably wary.
Traffic and Pedestrians
The roads and traffic signals are of excellent design, most are better designed than anything I have seen in Toronto. Unfortunately, drivers and pedestrians treat each other with total contempt. It is common to see pedestrians and cycles and scooters cross at the wrong times, even cycles and scooters going the wrong way. At one intersection I saw the aftermath of an accident involving a pedestrian, with a small pool of blood on the pavement. The police and ambulance arrived immediately, and everything was back to normal in minutes. Not sure about the pedestrian.
The striking thing I noticed was that the cycles, tricycles and scooters and such were all electric. Even what I would call auto-rickshaws were electric.
Politics, News Coverage, CCTV (China Central television)
Xinhua and Global Times coverage of world events is mediocre. CCTV is usually running in restaurants and public places. In Chinese, of course. But the coverage is excellent. I noticed from the contents that the happenings in Syria, for instance, were covered extensively, including war footage. The reports appeared to be unbiased, meaning the massacres perpetrated by the terrorists, funded by the west, were given fair coverage. On one occasion, I noticed there was a full interview, in English, of a Canadian reporter named Eva Bartlett. Wow, what a wonderful, beautiful person she is. And of tremendous courage. The Party, as represented by the news coverage, clearly identifies with the Russian position.
Unfortunately, this is not true of the majority of the people. Generally, the Chinese are as morally calloused as North Americans and Europeans. Any attempt to discuss the Syrian conflict, or the million civilians killed in Iraq, or the genocide of the indigenous people of the Americas, is met with a glazed look of incomprehension. When I pointed out that Hillary was responsible for the “pivot to Asia”, and that Trump is better for global security, there was uniform disagreement. The sense is that Trump is not good for Chinese business, and that is all that counts for the average guy. Unless you bring up the South China Sea, and then there is some passion.
Advice to Visitors
To women of all stripes: Dress is generally conservative, very fashionable in the cosmopolitan areas. Judging from the ads in the subways and TV, summer dress is as skimpy as in the west. I did not see any evidence of harassment, unlike, say, north India, where I would not advice any women to travel alone. The only example of extreme smooching was a gringo with his Chinese girlfriend on a bridge over a river in Suzhou, and they drew a lot of stares.
To men: No hugging or kissing, Russian or Latin style. But unlike India, you can shake a woman’s hand.
Gays: Did not see any evidence of ostensibly gay folks, and I am sure this lifestyle is not officially welcome.
Handicapped: Forget it. Saw only one guy in 30 days, in a non-motorized wheelchair, being pushed by another guy. The Party is clearly making valiant efforts to make China handicapped friendly. Unfortunately, with the characteristic hustle and bustle and pushing and shoving in every metropolitan area, they will not survive.
Chinese: All visitors, including of Chinese heritage, will have a tough time on their own, if you don’t speak the language.
“Whites”: The younger folk seem to look “up” to you, especially if you can pretend to be a Yank. As a foreigner, you will draw stares. Going far west to the Islamic areas may pose some challenges.
Blacks: You are lower in the chromatic scale (heheh), unless you can be dressed in an expensive suit, and appear to be well-heeled. Then they will shamelessly suck up to you! Because money talks in this country.
Browns: Associated with deep poverty (not without some merit!). If you can have good friends accompany you, or are part of a tour group, then you can manage. On your own, it will be challenging.
Vegetarians: You can manage with soy milk, vegetables, steamed bread and rice. But milk is hard to get.
Older Folk: Very tough, unless you are part of a guided tour. I know a retired Swiss-Canadian couple that took a train tour through China, with guides and interpreters, who said they enjoyed it immensely.
Commentary on the Chinese People
First, the Chinese mother: A force of nature, like Niagara Falls, or a Category 6 hurricane. Whether she has a Chinese or foreign husband is irrelevant. When it comes to her child’s well-being and education, you cross her path at your peril. In my opinion, this is the force that drives the rush to prosperity.
The instinct to succeed at any cost is pervasive in every corner of the country. The Chinese businessman is as genetically corrupt as the Mumbai businessman. For instance, injecting synthetic sweetener into oranges, or contaminating baby’s milk, or cheating on the metallurgy or mechanical properties of steel, is no problem whatsoever. Any concerns with the environment, legality, morality, ethics, worker safety, is of no consequence, if you can get away with it. If it were not for the Government, they would get away with murder. Deng Xiaoping has unleashed a monster.
The wealth in the eastern parts of the country is incredible. People work very hard, and also spend it well, on expensive cars, parties, travel, schooling for their kids.
Without Government control, the society would break up into total chaos. There is an inherent lack of discipline everywhere, same as in India. Cigarette butts even in the most pristine areas, even in 5 Star hotels, where the signs clearly say “No Smoking”. Ashtrays with matches are provided in all the hotel rooms.
Every rich or “elite” family I met had a child studying overseas, or was planning to send one. And always to Canada, the U.S., Australia or New Zealand. And it is well known that rich Chinese are buying up property/houses in the suburbs of Toronto, Vancouver, Seattle, Melbourne and so on. Which sends house prices in these areas through the roof.
Dialects versus Languages
I don’t understand how the Chinese can call the speech in different parts of the country “dialects”. They are different and distinctive languages. Even within a few hundred kilometres from Shanghai, the Shanghai natives don’t understand the local dialect. Once during a dinner with about 20 people in Shanghai, one of my friends from the north, who spoke only Mandarin and his northern dialect, was left completely out of the conversation, with the result he and I were left politely smiling, but not understanding a word, while the Shanghai mafia carried on their pretty raucous banter.
A 5 Star American Hotel
This was in a big city, and for the first and only time during my visit, I was welcomed with the kind of warm and smiling hospitality that top notch American hotels are justifiably famous for. As usual, not a single foreigner in site, the waiters and front attendants (all Chinese) catch your eye, and smile. As you walk through this corridor style area, with cooking facilities behind glass partitions on either side, every single chef smiles at you as you walk by. And the service and food – incredible Chinese fare, including a chicken that was covered in a clay ball, and cooked until the clay was hard. We had to break the clay, to expose the delicious dish inside.
The Ancient Silk Road – Yan Guang Pass
Located in the far North-West of China. This is high desert country, cold at this time (about -10 deg. C , 14 deg. F) and the Silk Road used to traverse this section, from about 200 BC. I saw one section, that had that smooth, worn look, well-trodden over centuries, meandering over the desert. It was about 50 metres wide, and I could almost see in my mind’s eye the traders and their caravans travelling each way with their prized goods.
Nearby in Dunhuang, we also took a long ride on a camel (two humps!), just to get a feeling for how the ancient traders traveled. Actually, quite comfortable, once you get into their characteristic rocking motion.
The One Belt One Road (OBOR)
The new Silk Road is contemplated somewhat along the same route as the old one, according to the local officials. In a few years, I can see trucks driven by Afghans/Sikhs/Punjabis carrying fresh shrimp, mangoes, cashew fruit (that’s right, the delicious fruit), coconuts and guavas from the south of Kerala, in the southern tip of India, through Pakistan, China, Kazakhstan, Russia all the way to Western Europe. And the route will be dotted with dhabas, the truck stop restaurants that are dotted all over the Indian sub-continent, that serve roti (chappathis), dhal (lentil) curry, and other spicy stuff. Having seen the entrepreneurial spirit of the Chinese, most of these will be run by Chinese, and run better than Indians! If Jinping and Vladimir and Nursultan can be joined by Narendra and Nawaz, the OBOR can be built quickly, and they will have helped change the world for the good.
Nanjing
I cannot do justice to this city in this report, there was so much that happened here in the past.
Briefly:
- Capital of China during the war against Japanese occupation. The massacres and rapes here by the Japanese were of grotesque proportions. Words cannot describe this barbarity unleashed on the Chinese people. My Chinese friends tell me the only way they can tell Japanese apart from the Chinese, is when the Japanese bow. What measure of identification did the Japanese use to identify the victims of their horrors? Apart from dress. I can’t even call this racism.
- Sun Yat-sen Memorial: Sun is acknowledged as the founding father of the Republic of China. A beautiful, well-kept memorial, architecturally stunning.
- The Confucius Temple: Excellent historical records of Confucius. I was surprised to discover that his concern was with the proper running of society and government. Unlike Buddhism, the backbone of his teachings was “propriety”, not compassion. As an official of the government, he actually had a convict put to death, because the defendant did not show enough “contrition”.
Buddhism in China
First, a little snippet from the past:
Shortly after his arrival in China in the year ~520, Bodhidharma had an interview with the Emperor Wu of Liang:
Emperor Wu: From the beginning of my reign, I have built many temples, had numerous sacred books copied, and supported all the monks and nuns. What merit have I?
Bodhidharma: None.
Emperor Wu: Why?
Bodhidharma: All these are inferior deeds, showing traces of worldliness, but shadows. A truly meritorious deed is full of wisdom, but mysterious, its real nature beyond the grasp of human intelligence – something not found in worldly achievement.
Emperor Wu: What is the first principle of your doctrine?
Bodhidharma: Vast emptiness, nothing holy.
Emperor Wu: Who, then, stands before me?
Bodhidharma: I don’t know.
Lingshan Buddha (or Disney meets Sakyamuni)
Located near Wuxi, in Jiangsu Province
This is one of the largest Buddha statues in the world. There is also a baby Buddha, high up on a pedestal, with lotus petals that cover the baby, that open up every so often, with a huge fountain shower to the sound of inspiring music.
Completed in 1996, this is a commercial sham. They charge huge fees, and the place is crowded, even on weekdays. Our hostess friend who was showing us around told us that on auspicious days, the place is completely packed, and people leave money for good luck. There are also donation boxes, so the owners get money two ways. The people who visit here have no inkling of Buddhism, but if a donation can bring good fortune, people will spend money.
To give it a veneer of authenticity, there are some signs in Sanskrit. But not a single sutra, in Chinese or any language.
There are stores all over the grounds, selling very expensive trinkets. And the restaurants have various meat dishes, which is truly sacrilegious.
What merit do they gain?
Buddhist Grottoes, Caves, Carvings
Mogao Grotto near Dunhuang in the far north-west: Work on these Buddhist carvings were spread over 1,400 years. Sakyamuni, Amitabha and Maitreya Buddhas are all portrayed in truly stupendous carvings on the stone cliff faces, which are sheltered by temple like structures around them. Including one with Kasyapa and Ananda on either side of Gautama.
Longmen Grottoes in the north-east: Thousands of magnificent carvings of Buddha and his disciples, on either side of the Yi river, dating back more than 1,500 years.
For any Buddhist students out there, these two are a must-see.
I was left with a sense that, of all the peoples of the world (including Indian), the Chinese understood and accepted the Buddhist teachings in an incomparable way, for the longest period in history.
The Shaolin Temple in Zhengzhou
This place now has very little to do with Buddhism. During a Xinhua interview with Vladimir Putin, he was characteristically gracious in his description of his visit to the temple. I am afraid Vladimirovich was being kind. First, a sidebar:
In the village in Kerala where my parents hailed from, my mother used to talk about the local Hindu temple, where some of the members were practitioners of kalaripayattu (kalari in short). They had a reputation for being inconspicuous in appearance, but no one could challenge them physically. On talking to some friends who had familiarity with the art, one of the exercises was the high side kick, that you repeated endlessly. I learned that kalari originated in Kerala, and Bodhidharma likely was adept at this form of martial art.
Now a little history, some contested:
- The Shaolin Monastery founded in 464 AD, by Buddhabhadra.
- Bodhidharma arrives around 520 AD, and among other things, teaches martial arts. Now, this is contested by some so-called experts. The irony is, even Japanese karate acknowledges its Bodhidharma roots.
Well, I enter the grounds with a lot of trepidation, anxious to absorb every tiny detail, aware that this place marked a historical turning point. As I walk in, to the left, at a lower level, I see a large grassy area the size of a soccer filed. There is a group of about 100 young men, all in red shirts, with several instructors to either side. All of them are vigorously engaged in repeated high side kicks, kalari style. After about 10 minutes, they switch to touching their toes, which is basically the Uttanasana. Later, inside an auditorium, there is a Kung Fu display, introduced by a beautiful well-dressed young woman, and young male students come on stage and show various martial arts tricks. One guy with a metal sort of belt around his waist, balances horizontally on the tip of a saber. This is of course a variation of the Mayurasana. So now you want to give Kung Fu Chinese roots. Basic decency requires that you give credit where credit is due, but go ahead.
There are small buildings all over the grounds. Each building usually housed carvings and paintings of the Buddha, and his disciples. All looking distinctly Chinese, except for one image, where he was painted with a reddish hue. I saw one image of Bodhidharma, but it was hard to make out his heritage. Reminded me of seeing images of Jesus as a blued eyed Nordic type, not the Semite that he was. And I don’t mean Khazarian.
Everywhere, you can see men in grey robes, which is basically a kind of government approved uniform. They are pretending to be monks, when in fact they are civil servants. And all the spiritual essence of this place has been wiped clean. There was not a single sutra in evidence.
You have to pay to enter, of course, but one building that I wanted to enter, was blocked by a young “monk”, because I was not part of a paid tour group. And stalls everywhere, where you pay to get various trinkets, you have to pay even for a poem penned by a monk.
Again, what merit do you gain?
Revolutionary Martyrs’ Cemetery, Shijiazhuan
Apart from the thousands upon thousands of Chinese martyrs who fought and died for freedom, I was keen on visiting the tombs of two men from disparate backgrounds, who volunteered to serve with the resistance against the fascists.
- Dr. Henry Norman Bethune, born March 4, 1890, in the town of Gravenhurst, Ontario, Canada. Died November 12, 1939, aged 49, in Hebei. An outstanding doctor, selfless in every sense of the word, served first with the Republicans against the fascists in the Spanish Civil War, then with the Eighth Route Army under Mao Zedong.
- Dr. Dwarkanath Shantaram Kotnis, born October 10, 1910, in Solarpur, Maharashtra. Died December 9, 1942, aged 32 (thirty two!), in China. He was the first director of the Dr. Norman Bethune International Peace Hospital. He married Guo Qinglan, a nurse he met at the hospital, and they had a son they named YinHua (IndiaChina).
Both these gentlemen are venerated with great reverence at this cemetery, with separate sections for each of them, complete with statues, and photos and detailed personal histories inside a large museum type structure. The tombs are located in a large park, and the entire area is well kept, well manicured.
I found this place quite heart rending.
The Resistance
As I see it, the martyrs of the revolution, including Dr. Bethune and Dr. Kotnis, and those who followed them around the world, such as Dr. Ernesto Guevara and Fidel, are all simple people who decided not to accept injustice. In the modern age, the milieu and the playing field has changed, whether it is the streets of Aleppo, the slums of Gaza, or the board room in the Trump Tower. I would like to include Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning in this grouping of folks who have nothing in common, except a refusal to accept injustice.
I salute you.
The Environment
This is a deadly subject, in every sense of the word. In every city I visited, in the middle, north and north-east, the smog was so thick, that you could not see more than a 100 metres or so, and climbing one flight of stairs left you panting. The alert levels were at the highest, school children had to stay home, and vehicles had to alternate between even and odd license numbers , to cut the traffic by half. The solution for the locals is of course face masks, and there appeared to be a kind of high fashion in mask designs, with paper and cloth masks of various styles and colours. This is absolutely unacceptable, and the situation is only getting worse. This has to be not just reduced, but reversed, otherwise we are on a slippery slope to catastrophe.
The solution for the rich is to pump out as much money as possible, have a kid studying overseas, and perhaps eventually move out. When I pointed out that this is unacceptable in a “workers’ paradise”, I got the comment that the best brains in China are trying to find a solution, and how could I possibly know better. Well, I think I do.
The Party:
I understood that the Party have their way of arriving at decisions. When there is an issue to deal with, all the facts are brought to the table, and there is intense debate. Unfortunately, there are several competing factions, considering the size and complexity of China. Sometimes, an internal debate among the Shanghai faction would be incomprehensible to the rest, because it is a different dialect. When a decision is made, the strongest faction would prevail, not necessarily the one which is “right”. And once a decision is made, it is implemented swiftly and ruthlessly.
Recommendations to the Communist Party of the People’s Republic of China, and the General Secretary, Mr. Xi Jinping
- Power Plants: Start switching immediately from coal fired to natural gas power plants, using gas turbines. Cooperate with Russia, Europe and the U.S. for the manufacture of the gas turbines.
- Steel Mills: Start switching immediately from coal based blast furnace iron and steel making, to natural gas based technology using the DRI (Direct Reduced Iron) process, with an EAF (Electric Arc Furnace).
- All Industries: Every industry should be assessed not on their production, but on their cleanliness. The culture to implement this at present does not exist in China. It can only come from the top down.
- China is already importing natural gas from Russia. Increase this flow, and start negotiating the purchase of electricity from Russia. I have seen the HV transmission system in China, and they are world class. All the steelwork for the transmission, and all the substations and switchgear, would require considerable investment, but also produce high value employment.
- Start implementing a network of energy storage around the country.
- Increase the network of water storage reservoirs around the country. I did not see a single water reservoir, although I understand China has the largest number in the world.
- Education: There are two links I would like every one involved in setting educational policy to watch: ElectroBOOM, and the Bollywood movie, 3 Idiots. Education is not fun in China. What you are producing is a bunch of educated robots, who end up more paranoid than their parents. The goal should not be to become millionaires and kill the planet, but to spread wealth equitably around China and the world, and have fun doing it.
- Change the economic model that Mr. Deng Xiaoping initiated. It makes absolutely no sense for a communist country to produce incredibly rich millionaires, who then ship their money out, and the young couple I know in Toronto cannot afford to buy a house to start a family, because house prices have shot up beyond their reach, caused by the rich buyers from China.
- Employment: I understand the primary mission for the Party is to provide employment and a good life for the whole country. The western regions have not yet seen the economic prosperity of the south-east. I submit humbly, in keeping with the drive for a clean environment, switch to organic farming. Mr. Putin is now engaged in an agricultural revolution in Russia, by switching to organic non-GMO food. Avoiding all the poisons that accompany GMO food production. This is worker intensive, and also highly profitable.
- Relations with the U.S.: Negotiate with Mr. Trump for the following:
- First, take him on a ride on a High Speed Train. Then offer to help build this rail system all over the U.S. Of course, all the infrastructure that supports the rail lines have to be re-built, resulting in huge employment in the U.S.
- Cooperate with the US, among others, to help with the gas turbine manufacture for the power plants in China. GE would be ecstatic.
These steps have to be taken immediately. This requires another Long March. But you know how it starts.
Take the first step.
Links:
ElectroBOOM: http://www.electroboom.com
3 Idiots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvszmNXdM4w
Russell Peters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYiteaPBlz0
Toltec: ToltecSchool.com
Superb essay and travelogue. Superb. Many thanks to the author.
And additional gratitude for the dharma touch in the writing.
A marvellous, fascinating report. Thank you so much for sharing your experience.
The environmental challenges seem daunting but as you conclude, a single step marks the start of the longest journey.
Thank you M.Pseudonym for this very interesting and comprehensive report and for going there so I don’t have to….best a look at faraway places on my screen, far far less carbon emissions from my Chinese made(?)solar powered home.
The characteristics of the various people you mention you do actually see here, to a lesser degree. And, the thought back when, was the billion or so nice Chinese folk getting off their bicycles and into their infernal combustion machines was always going to be a problem for our planet.
And thank you once again Saker.
Beautifully written, thanks.
An absolutely fascinating and informative article – thank you very much. I think the only thing that surprised me was the description of the callousness of the people to each other. I had heard Chinese venerate ancestors and thus family, so I wonder how they are to their elders.
I used to “talk” to a young Chinese man who popped up on my “chat” room – can’t remember what I was using back then. Not Skype. He said “Would you be my friend?”. I used to delete these unwanted solicitations, but how can one say “No” to that. Sunny and I talked for a couple of years – he wanted to improve his English as he said “you get better jobs” that way. He was asking for my help, which I was happy to give. I went through his descriptions of his mother’s matchmaking, his agreement with her choice of his bride, their marriage and baby daughter before we started, inevitably, to drift apart. I still have a beautiful Indigo silk scarf and a hand made “Luck” knot he and his wife made for me. He was shocked at the distance that has grown up – for no real reason really – between my adult children and I’. He couldn’t stand it, he said. He could never leave China, leave his parents behind. It was beyond consideration for him.
The impression I had was of more gentleness than described here – perhaps I was just lucky. I’m saddened to hear of the rudeness and callousness.
I would add, since the writer is Canadian, I spent a holiday of 3 weeks at Garden River – my daughter-in-law was teaching there. It’s a Cree settlement far north of Alberta. They had a small store and the first time I went to get something with my son, my daughter in law warned me – they wont like you. Why? I have blue eyes. She said they find blue eyes “creepy” and disliked such people. I could hardly believe it, but it was so. The two women glared at me in spite of my smile and courteous manner, refused to serve me, went and found a man who glared, threw my change at me and walked away. I felt then the nastiness of the “minority” and how people everywhere treat such.
However, overall the author confirms something I have long known – I have no desire to go to China, especially as a woman travelling alone. I have long sensed a huge difference between us [I am Celt] and it’s not one I would want to try and bridge. It’s been interesting to get my impression confirmed.
I still just love their form of Art and paintwork though!!
Anil, I found your travel report fascinating, and I thank you. And Russell Peters’s Cantonese impression is art; “Be a man!” Thanks again, from a fellow Torontonian.
Thank you for this interesting and detailed report!
1) I have a question. You write: “Any concerns with the environment, legality, morality, ethics, worker safety, is of no consequence, if you can get away with it. If it were not for the Government, they would get away with murder. Deng Xiaoping has unleashed a monster.”
Nonetheless, you also write of the quality of China’s machinery. (“The quality of the workmanship was excellent, and pricing was unbeatable.”)
I’m sure you can see the tension between these two statements … It is not possible for any government to monitor and control the work-quality of all the country’s citizens. If the people lack virtue, serious problems will emerge, sooner or later. There are many reports regarding corruption within the Chinese military, for instance.
What do you think about this?
Losing face is painful for Chinese people.
There is no shame to committing a crime, there is enormous shame in being caught committing the crime.
“Losing face is painful for Chinese people There is no shame to committing a crime, there is enormous shame in being caught committing the crime..”
Most non-Chinese don’t understand what “Losing face” to Chinese mean
Confucism(I mean the old type; no one can define what new Confucism means) is agrarian hierarchy in Chinese setting, like son subordinate to parents, officials subordinate to the Emperor. A good example of observing ‘face’ is a person shouldn’t publicly criticize his/her superior.
What you and Avarachan said are basically BS. The Chinese gov publicise corruption cases daily and the culprits are duely punished.
Modesty is a much valued virtue and bragging,a symptom of inferiority complex, is discouraged.
A good example of inferiority complex(due to lack of modern achievements):
Modi claimed at a ‘prestigious’ indian science conference that ancient hindus were so advanced in science that the hindu elephant god ganesh was the outcome of transplanting an elephant head to a human torso. He and the others also claimed ancient hindus invented spaceships
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/28/indian-prime-minister-genetic-science-existed-ancient-times
China is a poor 3rd world country period. For example electricity per capita consumption is only about 1/2 of the german and 1/3 of the americans. Meat consumption per capita is at most 60% of the americans
No kidding, Mr. Mao.
I remember how horrified I was when my boss told me I could call my dean by first name in college.
I could never call my children’s teachers by first name either. Even if he/she just graduated from college, or a intern. I had some really serious principle to adhere.:-)
One year when I past Shanghai airport, some shop had a professor talking about leadership on tv. He talk about traditional and modern leadership, and I was very sure he sold a lot of CD.
Some site recent talking about export Chinese management. I wonder how it will work out without culture context.
2) I disagree with your statement that China “is now the No. 1 superpower economically.” There is more to an advanced economy than steel production. For instance, currently, there are only 4 countries which can produce an advanced fighter-jet engine: the U.S., Russia, France, and Germany/Britain (EuroJet consortium).
Both India (with the Kaveri) and China (with the WS-10) are working on this, but probably haven’t succeeded yet. (I am skeptical of China’s claimed success with the WS-10A.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_WS-10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTRE_GTX-35VS_Kaveri
Are you saying China produces nothing but steel, or that fighter jet production is the measure of an economy?
Thank you for the full and thorough report on your China trip.
It rings true from what contacts I have had with Chinese from Harbin, Dalian, Shanghai, Zhengzhou, Beijing and Tianjin.
Great pluses and great minuses.
A society pushed to the limits.
A culture strapped by numbers, ideology and avarice.
The future for them is Eurasia, OBOR and investment in places where they can move millions of their people from the hundreds of millions still in the lowest echelon of economics. Clearly, Xinjiang will play a very important future, to the loss of the Uyghurs. But Western China is the future. However, it does not have good water resources. Most water is very salty.
If the Chinese don’t do something significant, not only about the air they breathe, but their need for fresh water, they will face chaotic crisis.
Capture of rain water from typhoons seems a natural. Yet, they have not applied their brains to the challenge.
Better mass production of fish and seafood in quality conditions is another imperative. They cannot continue to strip their sources in So.China Sea, East China Sea and Yellow Sea, all of which are shared with neighbors who also are hungry for more than nature supplies.
China does envy and loves to emulate all things American. That is good and bad. (Not everything American is bad.) But China needs to keep their best children home, educate them with American-style upper education and put them into research and graduate studies in China. There is nothing good for them sending their best brains to the West. The family investment that follows, the Westernization of the young adults, the change in values are all gross losses for China.
The reality of 21st Century China is there is still 500 million Chinese stuck in the 19th and early 20th Century China. They have some benefits from the Opening Up, the rise of their nation. But they have no elevator to take them up like the first batch of 400-600 million who are now middle class (China’s style middle class).
And the nation is aging badly. They face a demographics problem that is staggering.
And lurking in Zhongnanhai is President Xi Jinping wanting more personal power, Mao-like obsession driving his policies. I think this is a major error.
But this isn’t the time to discuss that.
Thanks again for your finite recollection.
You find Xi Jinping too power hungry? Personal pride or ambition before the needs of the Party and the nation of China? I haven’t seen that, personally. I’d have to disagree with you there.
I (Canadian) was in China a year ago – guided tour… had a fabulous ‘national guide’ who hired excellent ‘local’ guides in each of the 4 cities we spend time in. My wife had been there 3 or four times before, I never wanted to go because I had heard how bad the pollution was and how crowed (over populated) the place was. My wife’s grand father was Chinese – he migrated to Canada in the 1920’s… we went to find his village in the country side in Guangdong province – that’s near Hong Kong. It was an epic adventure since we had only a sketchy hand drawn map her uncle had given his children decades ago as a reference. The driver our national guide hired was uncanny, with no GPS, he drove directly to the house (2.5 hour drive) having to only stop twice to ask questions. It was surreal to be there on the veranda of the house we had seen in the black and white photographs from antiquity.
One thing I found interesting was the vastly different ‘for/against’ Mao Ze Dong sentiments – some of our local guides spoke very highly of him, others, the opposite. At one point when we were in the bus, our local guide wanted to poll the tour members (~15 of us) with a show of hands – who was ‘for’ Mao – who was ‘against’. I was pretty much the only one who was ‘for’. The guide wanted to know why since he was definitely ‘against’. I said well, Mao fought the Japanese invaders – something Chiang Kai-shek’s government would not/could not do… and he ditched the British colonizers out of China. Crickets.
Actually the Nationalists did more of the fighting against the Japanese than the Communists ever did, and it was the Russians who finally pushed the Japanese out of China (during WW2). But that is a minor scandal, a much bigger scandal is something the author mentions a little bit too politely.
The monk who founded the Shaolin Temple was Indian. Later on another Indian monk arrived at the Shaolin temple and started teaching Indian martial arts there. And Shaolin Kung Fu comes from the Shaolin Temple, right. Most Chinese will never acknowledge the Indian influence or Indian origin of anything Shaolin related.
gT,
Every Chinese know KMT fighting most of wars in WWII. There are many movies, TV’s, even today, about KMT fighting the war, with some mention of others. It really helps know what is really going on in China.
It laughable to think Chinese can ignore the origination of buddhism. “Journey to the west” still the most popular book every Chinese read, if not the whole book, then a story here and there, a cartoon here and there. They all know where did the monkey king go to obtain buddhist scripts, and study.
However, we Chinese adapt the buddhism into our own culture. We learn, we evolve, we move on. If you feel Chinese obligate to you with anything, that is your prerogative.
Thank you for acknowledging that Buddhism’s origins lie in a Westerly direction of China, though I was writing more about the Kung Fu aspect of the Shaolin temple and not its Buddhist aspect. It is so nice when credit is given where it is due.
Lol. Indian love to inflict wounds on self. I remember when I was young, even old books was banned, we all had that respect to india as heaven in the west. We also had a few Bollywood movies to watch… You really did have our heart, until many found out how much you love us…
Some day , after this head in the cloud, the world owns you everything period, Maybe chinese public will see you in good light again, but it not going to happen as long as this crazy nationalist party in power, creating dramas every weeks for election optics.
It is good to see Rahu is in China for 1 week exchange visit even indian elite call him traitor.
Play up one’s culture, demand recongnization is really double edged sword. Even modern day invention, after certain period of tme, the idea is free for the world to adapt.
Every culture contributes to the world. We all proud our past. But respect is earned, and is not entitlement.
Dude, I’m not Indian, I am a Cape Coloured from Cape Town South Africa. My diverse heritage includes Hottentot, Malaysian and Irish. It is rumored that my family also has Chinese in our ancestry. I played prop forward in the front row of the rugby scrum for nearly a decade, and I have yet to see an Indian touch a rugby ball.
Thank you for that insight below about how so many Chinese lose their first jobs in the US because of disagreements with their bosses. That confirms to me everything I have heard about the mainland Chinese from my relatives in the Antipodes.
“Thank you for that insight below about how so many Chinese lose their first jobs in the US because of disagreements with their bosses. That confirms to me everything I have heard about the mainland Chinese from my relatives in the Antipodes.”
I am sure. Are they Hottentot, Malaysian, Irish or Chinese? How do you arrange the order of superiority among them, Mister “I am superior than you, but I am surely not racist”?
My relatives are all just human beings. I look forward to a more in-depth discussion of the connotations surrounding the term ‘mainland Chinese’ in the future on TheSaker.
Sure you are.
We are hard working, we have vision, we do not tolerant bad leader ship, therefore the arguments with boss, and fast progress on every front. We will not tolerant chest thumping, manturefactureing drama for political gains, we demand results.
Despite what been said by author and other here, in reality, we treat friends from foreign countries with respect, we bending over backwards please them. We love to take them around if they ask help on street, make sure their needs are met.
Anyone in China does not afraid of been harmed for whatever reason.
Chinese are all equal, regardless the sex, place and family o f birth. Anyone can make it to any position if he has will and talent.
Chinese are well versed in history, we employ our 1000s old wisdoms in our daily life,; while foreigners study SunTze, we live his strategy every, day.
Our children are just as smart and hard work, our “no fun” school produce enough students not only to power china to the top of the world, but also fill the growth of the world.
Our people are not afraid of competition, not afraid of been poor, or getting rich. We are not afraid of accepting new ideas. we do not afraid of reality, we do not shy away from finding root cause of any thing. most of all, we do not blame others for our incompetence.
We put our country first, our government put her people’s well fare first. We do not go out to creat enemy, or being someone’s enemy. We treat other country’s with equal respect, we work with others to bring prosperity to all despite their prejudice.
We have world first quantum communication satellite, we have world fastest computer in a roll, we have world best 3d printing tech, robotics, infrastructure, and list goes on… We also number one on renewable energy.
Our people live like a king, everyday, our markets fill with fresh fruit, vegetables, various degress of prepared meal, so we can cook healthy fresh home made meal in almost no effort.
Our cupboard/market over flow with food, we have peace at home and at borders, we have friends from all over.
We have people like Jack Ma at all level of society, and we are and will be on top of the world…
Such also is reality of China.
Anthing else you want to know?
how about you now visit and write the same detailed report about the so called “America” and tell us how America is doing in 2017. Ir’s easy to write articles about Chine, everyone’s weird new superpower. Been reading the same thinly veiled anti china articles for 20 years now, starting with the crap written by Neil Stevenson for WIRED over a decade ago.
Interesting how nobody has done that, write a detailed article on the current conditions in “America”..
I can say with 100% accuracy after living in the so called “America” for 33 years, A lot of what passes for knowledge about “America” is pure fantasy expertly manipulated by Hollywood.
I AM willing to write such an article. Be warned tho, I won’t be mentioning the Kardashians.
Want me to, contact me via email. I will supply photos also.
hoyeru,
I have friends/neighbors are very bothered by the social problem in china, I can not say I am not. I and many others are paying more attention about how little time, and how much had progressed. We also are more aware of social ills at west, specially in US to put things in perspective.
Well, this is my second attempt to a comment on this thread here. I comments do not get published for whatever reason sometimes, but at least, I am still allow to comment.
China has many social problem in part because Mao’s out with the old rule and in with new, also encouragement of revolutionary spirit.
I know many of you think no one can say anything against Chinese government, in reality it is far from truth. Chinese are revolutionaries, and will take no sh$t. I can tell you good amount of Chinese (not count the one hired after working for western company for a while) lost their first job in US, because the disagreement with their bosses.
Chinese are very aware the social issues. But they are not going to be fixed as fast, as easy as economic issue.
Think about it, most of Chinese (older ones) barely had high school education, thanks to Mao. Culture revolution break many old traditions. Certain things just can not fixed over night, or over one generation. Think about how many good years the west have had, when they were poor, and barely able to feed themselves, how many of them concern about manners?!
My brother would talk about how bad everything was, such as not enough severance pay after laid off, medicare, retirement are far from enough, etc. after I talk to in detail, I can see that Chinese government is basically copy american system. It is not as good as northern european country, but consider how poor everyone was not long ago, the government is perform miracle.
He talk about many of social ills, I’d tell him there are things in America that just show up different. The most obviously one is the high school kids are very mean to each other, therefore the prevalence of high school shooting.
When my mother told him one of her nurse was not doing her job, he could not believe it, “America has people like this?”
About 9 years ago, I went home for emergency, and I flew to Shanghai to take another plane to a western city. The airline company was not one of the major airlines, so the flight pushed from 6 pm, to after middle night. About 9, or 10 also, the people started to stir, and one man was taking quite some school kids for field trip start voice discontent, then later started to making speech to the waiting passenger about how unfair it was to make everyone waiting, and want partial refund… The plane was going to leave in the morning because the receiving airport will be close after certain time, the man and passenger made airline agree to depart shortly after midnight, and also made airlane agree to refund. There was 10 also of us either from overseas, or working for big company at big cities, I can tell you we followed all air line instruction without any complaints, and went on the airplane while the rest of them refuse to board until they get agreement with departure time and refund. We had laughed of ourself about how timid we had became, in awe how fearless the they still are…
Regarding all those slogans, or signs tell you what to do or not to do: Do not let it bother you. It is a express way of Chinese government trying to get people out of bad habit, or social ills, similar to the very beginning, everyone was dirt poor, Deng want to see people have more money, more choice, so he tell people to get rich, it is good to be rich… I had a student ditched school, and opened a bike fixing stand right in front the high school. His old homeroom teacher would stop by, and jokingly asking if he made more than she did…
Regarding racism, it take all colors, like many cultures. Some really are I imagine, mostly are maybe just insensitive, because race is really not a issue in China, we all look same. I can tell you my daughter tell me I am racist many times. One day I had to stop her: she can have any friend she choose, and she does. She go out with her handsome black, Hispanic skate board friends in the summer, now in the winter, she has most of her beautiful snowboard friends who are white. She can visit whatever race friends anytime she want, I trust her judgment. But in front of her, I am not going to be PC.
As treading foreigner badly, I have to say I am really surprised. It will make more sense if you turn on charm and jack up price, than not make sell, or treading customer badly. But I guess it take all kinds if it is not misunderstanding.
As for losing face, I am sure every culture/country has someone with fragile ego, Chinese are no exception. However, I think people are over exaggerating. If you are in management in west, learning how to work or deal with others, you would know make one feel good, stoke some one’s ego, be respectful, work out issues privately are common effective method of managing human relations, and even common sense, to get things done.
There is an old expression of what a good quality of not be bugged down by small things:
General’s head is wide enough to ride a horse; A minister’s stomach is wide enough to sail a boat.
As for western influence, over 2000 years ago, that was from Iran, over 1400 years ago, that was from India with make ups, half naked dress, and bindi, then mongos, machus, and etc. Today we are not any less Chinese. Si I am not worry about western influence. It will weed out the excessive in time.
As for stare, well, there is nothing much can be done other then more opening up to outside, and more travel. Chinese are all look same, and the other race looks very different in person than on TV.
All I am saying here is know the historical background, and in time, things will improve.
I have to make a correction here. Last almost two hundred years of internal turmoils, external invasions, extreme poverty led to many of social ills today, that can not be eradicated easily over short period of time. Mao was the last one in the line… He had chance to make a difference, many in the CPC Such as Deng were very passionate, and talented about developing China. Mao choose not to listen and then choose to hang on power the old way. Now all those are over, and become footnotes of history for us to learn from…
Well, you certainly missed a lot of the real Zhongguo. It’s not “Szechuan”. Or “Cantonese” it’s sichuan and gaungdong. Mandarin is not the official language of that country, it’s Putonghua.
There was a time back in the ’60s that the cities of Canada were just as polluted at the cities of China today.
I have recently returned from 14 continuous years in Zhongguo and Heng Geng; China and Hong Kong, and while I can agree with some of your findings, many I do not.
The yellow Han??? According to you they would all be exhibiting Hepatitis! They are mostly a light brown or white.
Being a vegetarian in China is a delight and restaurants will go out of their way to serve you the best they can offer and that goes for the cheap eateries too. There you will find millions upon millions of vegetarians, if you look round. I have friends that have a chain of such.
I first went on a 6 bed train carriage on my 2nd day there and, yes, it was crowded but the people so friendly, and such trains are my preferred mode of travel, they go at about 130kmh. Why didn’t you go for the soft sleeper? They are only an extra $20!
Yes, the country is very much at odds with westwrn life but, hey, it’s not western.
The two stringed violin is called an arhu (R hoo) and you can hear orchestras full of them. In fact there are orchestras, big ones, that have no western instruments at all.
Every subway I have 95% of my time in them been offered a seat by people sitting down. In fact I have playful arguments rejecting them because I didn’t need them, unlike Hong Kong!
Confucius? Who is that? He was Kongzi! Lao Tsu was Laozi.
People reading my reply post, please be aware that Zhongguo aka China is a lot more comfortable than the writer has portrayed and a lot more friendly, especially of you take a Lonely Planet Phrase book!
The stares are them seeing you for real as against what they have been told. I have had 100 or more following me around shopping on numerous occasions. Enjoy the celeb status! You not likley find that any where else.
The imitating in industry is true but then so do we too.
Why do the people have such expensive housing? Because they can! Just as in any western country too, just look around.
School in China is a passage almost all must go through, but it is the relationships all endure together that makes their futures, the parents want to show off their children’s achievements but in that country relationships forged in the adversity of school life makes their great or not great future, just as it did back in the ’50 and ’60s back in our home.
You obviously didn’t understand the officials needing to see your ID, which is your passport. In all my years there I have only experienced very little discourtesy from them.
Chinese are very externally politically aware and as you saw sites such as the Saker are not blocked at all, but then most peope there using the net have VPNs and they are actually advertised on most sites.Of course google is blocked, without a VPN! That’s official policy but, actually, Baidu is google by another name and language. I don’t know any one back there that does not have a Facebook page! Even some Police friends have them!
Try to use names of countries and things in them that the locals use an you’ll find life much better. Be prepared to see things that maybe shocking just as you can see such things back home. Every country has shocking things.
Chinese language has 26 speech sounds exactly the same as English. It’s called Han Yu. Han are the people and Yu is talk. The Chinese writing is Han Zi. Zi is what we call a Chinese character. Zi is much easier to say then “a Chinese character.” Yu is much easier to say then Mandarin which actually doesn’t exist there, since about 1954! Canton is Guangdong; gwongdong. Any one can learn that!
I am in my 60s not as old as the writer but it’s much better there than in his post.
As far as China following Russia that might hav been true before Deng Xiao Ping. Whilst it is true in some industries but examples of such can be found all over the world. China has ordered the construction of 52 of the new fusion reactors recently developed by Russia. They have no radioactive waste. But China will achieve 20% power from solar and wind by 2020 any way.
What a lot of people don’t understand is that they started from Year One in 1949. Whilst they retain many traditions the running of the country started anew in 1949. Give them the 300 years of the USA and we will see some great development, too.
There if you start a business that employs local people and contributes to the community then you will not pay tax! You have to submit tax monthly returns but your tax bill will be zero! The more you do that the longer you will not pay tax, but not only that but the government will offer interest free loans and promote your business far and wide, for you!
Many westerner owned businesses have the same advantages too, if they contribute to their local communities and invest in it. They are tough on western businesses that only want to repatriate all profits out. In every city, big and small are 1000s of western owned businesses operating and booming. They just have to do things the way it is done there.
If you go to Guangzhou; pronounced gwongjoe; go to the center just by the central railway station and you will wonder if you are in a Chinese city at all! Not western either! Guangzhou is a huge ancient city too.
Any way, that’s what I know from my time there!
Take a phrase book and you’ll have a wonderous time! Yes, you will be shocked but that’s because it’s so different.
Thank you Al, this is the China I lived and know.
China is a country with many choices, if you do not sell to me, someone else will. If you do not treat my customer well, someone else will.
I and my family was on a tour to China once, one week we went through from Beijing, to ShangHai surrounding area in one week. The tour is pretty much a few hours at some tourist sites, then equal amount shopping. A few foreigners in our group, and they did not speak Chinese.
The guides are mostly speaking english, except one. At this one place, the non speakers started to get agitated, and started to saying things which were obviously not true. With that going on, my interest of translating become nonexistence. The tour guide was actually best of the trip, if only they patiently ask us to translate than complaint. One man asked her how did she felt about China’s development. After a pause, she answered, now our people makes pennies for one dollar sell, the day our worker get paid a decent amounts for their labor is the day our country actually making true progress.
She also told some interesting local stories, and prepare us for spending a lot of money on pearls we may actually never will wear…
One of the blue eyed guy was the best shopper in the group, the little girls loved to go shopping with him. He only know Chinese numbers, so every time he start with half price. It was all fun and games for him and the girls, they giggle all the way through the trip.
The life is really how you look at it. You can reinforce your bias, and stop there, or you can take the imperfection as challenge and opportunity.
The epic social ill I experienced was not in China, or US, but at Canadian border at hands of Canadian government:
Some years ago when Dollar and Canadian dollar was at parity, I took a trip with family to visit Niagara Fall. I have gone there many times before, so I thought I was an old hand.
On the taxi ride to other side of river, the driver warned about the Canadian officials at border crossing. I have hear something before hand, so I thought how bad can it be…
So when we get to the line, there was one family in front of us, and the (pale skin) canadian customer officer was yelling at them, parents and children, and all. The family look like light complex hispanic. I was wondering if they were from foreign country, no passport, no visa, or etc… Then it was my turn, I was expect a smile, and a greeting from this fully armed decent size representative of canadian government and people. Well, I did not get one. He started shouting at me from get go. I was with my 70 years old mother, and two young kids, all had local passport. We are Chinese, but how many Chinese had blow up anyone in the world… Let alone Chinese from your only friendly neighbor…My mind inevitably start to slipping… Can he yell like this for 8 hours, he did not sounds strained after yelling so much already, thank god for free health care in Canada, or he would have to spend some good sum to see specialist; Should I stay and see if he would shout as loud at some white family….?
While I was at the Fall for a few days, the food was expensive, the shops are selling nonsense at equally nonsense price. I had to change some money, so I went through many exchange shops. To my some what surprised, all of them were run by indians, all of them were charging much higher rate… Like everything else, if I walked farther away from center of attraction, I would get better rate. So I got best rate I was willing to walk to.
I really did not think the experience I had in the acftriction worth any generalization about a country, or people of any kind, or color. It is natural law of business. If you were doing well, you survive, otherwise, you find a different profession.
But I do however questioning canadian government and people’s (sorry Al, Canadian people elected their government) judgement. How in the world that is acceptable to greet your guests, and visitors with anything but friendly smile, and respect? Why the canadian people even allow their government to shout at their friends and visitors at all under any circumstance? Can any social ill rival the government official mistreatment of all your friends, neighbors and visitors at your doors?
Al & J
The writer is Indian and I wonder how much of the discourtesy and racism he experienced can be put down to that, given the state of India-China relations. China clearly has all the problems common to so called “third world” countries. But China is in a state of “becoming”. What it was a few years ago is not what it is now, and what it is now is not what it will be in a few short years. None of the problems mentioned are insurmountable and lets not forget that the west itself was this way, a few short years ago.
Thanks Ngoyo,
He has been in Canada for 40 years, he went on tours with his Chinese friends, although I feel his generalization was a great leap from 30 day superficial tour of many cities, especially for a no speaker, but I am also aware there are many face of China: the coastal cities where people had good idea of outside world, they are happy and content. The average citizens who are happy, or the urban elite of sort at cities away from coast still think of the west is utopia. Many of their complaint can contribute to that view.
There are social ills can not be solved overnight, but them are not racism, or staring at foreigners, or discriminating against any one, or which kind of stuff sold, or price at tourist hot spot, or people practice religion differently.
He must have a canadian passport, he could be a Pakistani or any other country of south Asia to them. There are also over 14,000 Indian study medical in China alone, and a fast google I have not find any complaint about discrimination of host country, but there were complaint of conducts of their own students by Indian government.
It is hard not to think some of his experience was not due to misunderstanding, or bias, but I am not going to make assumption.
I can imagine his chinese friends openly complaint about government as much as my brother, or my very in touch with embassy neighbor. however, I and just as many of us will point out the stupidity of western government, and social ills, and contrast with practice of Chinese government.
Life really is one’s perspective.
From his post, I can surmise that he is not current on happening of China.
One year I visit my brother, he told to me about Chinese semi drivers skim on the material of bar that is used to stop cars from slip under the big truck. I remember I was thinking”Shoot, there must be a new regulation in US about it without me notice”, because I heard news maybe a year also ago about a father and son killed driving under s stopped semi. Sure enough, I notice them on every big truck after I got back. I guess they need to further state the type of material, or threaten lawsuit to solve that problem.:-)
Someone worked at 4 star downtown hotel, she has been complaint about cheap Chinese customer at slow new year period. When I saw her this weekend, she told me horror stories about what happened, so I asked, “Chinese again?”, she said “no, they are now mostly whites, horrible, terrible whites…”
I agree with you that China is fast changing, and with time the old problems will be replaced with fresh new ones…:-)
About the beggar lady whom you saw no one gave a penny, I imagine she did begging for a long, long time; she made a living out of begging, otherwise she would not go back there to beg. That meant a lot of people did give her some Yuan !
Actually you spoke the truth. They are professional beggers. One can tell if some one really down in luck and need money, and in that case people would have no problem give.
I remember one year the hail storm destroyed crop at harvesting time, we knew it was bad, even the factories closed down rush their worker to get rice out of field, but they come back reported many of rice were already sprouted, un salvageable.
When one farmer lady come to ask for help, a worker took her around neighborhood and everyone gave her something. That was the year we give to very farmer we saw who asked for help.
However, it is common knowledge those beggers even if they were handicapped on the street are professional beggers, therefore most people do not give them anything.
Like I said before, 30 day whirl tour of so many touristy sites is not base to make a great leap about a people or culture, even with help of Goole, or collection of travel brochures.
This was such a nice, beautiful, honest, polite, humanist account of the author’s trip to China. Yet the comments from the Chinese commentators ooze with such vitriol that no non Chinese, on reading the comments, can claim anymore not to know the true essence of the Chinese gestalt. Congratulations Chinese commentators, you have done your country proud. Keep up the good work ;-)
Thank you.
Since he decide to publish it here, he obviously ready for comments. If he does not agree, he can always respond as some times other authors do.
We are not call him names, or making judgment of his intention. We or I state the fact 30 day tour of tourist attractions of so many cities, so far apart is not good base for judgment of a people. We dispute his claim with our own experience and knowledge.
Yes, I am very proud of our conduct here. I fell we have been reasonable, respectful, and truthful.
I also stand by my comment of his not keeping up in the happening of china with his so called suggesrions to chinese government. It hard to imaging he thought about all those himself, but not over heard from some one talking about the government initiatives.
I did not make leap of about canadian people with my experience, in the fall. I know it is a well known tourist site, full of people, fried nerves, high price goods. I see good reasons not to.
If USA under Trump moves away from economic neoliberal globalization, then
“communist” China will be the main defender and promoter of globalization and free trade.
This reversal of roles is hilarious.
China under Mao used to be hard line and blamed USSR as revisionist and anti-socialist.
Then,
1) USSR (2nd to 3rd world economy at late 1980s) self destructed and does not exist nowadays and Russia is a shadow of the former superpower even though it is slowly re emerging .
2) China embraced neoliberal capitalism and became the 1st economy by GDP because ….
3) US elites took the decision to move their production to China (and several other third world countries).
That’s why we had the Chinese economic “miracle” ….
Now Trump and some of the US elites seem to have realized that the continuation of globalization and offshoring would make China stronger than US in several decades. So they plan to reverse globalization. China is doomed to collapse if globalization ends as they benefit from free trade and the multinational investments
Russia is the key player. US needs Russia to isolate China. But for Russia to play that part, there should be concessions such as Russian dominance to Ukraine and eastern Europe and an end or weakening of NATO – EU
What will happen ?
2300 years ago, world traders in and out of China from Silk road, in 700 ad Arab traders showed up by boats. It goes on and on. Did anyone in China sell and thing, making profits? who knows, since there is no western term of Capitalism, it must did not happy. Did any trader really trade in China, why there even roads led to China? why China was manufacturing everything for the world trade? There was no western term of globalization, it must did not happen. How would anything happen when the West was in stone age? China built road and paying health care out of emperor’s treasure in 700, and always consider it is emperor’s duty to take care of his people. It must also did not happen either since it was not originate from the west….
China closed down after Zheng He’s voyages. Qing followed. Qing had good governess, and country was prospers most of time, but besides decay of ruling party, it did not keep up with advancement of world until British gun boat showed up want to sell us opium…
So IMHO, Trump is welcome to close down, and wait for the future day Opium gunboat.
Putin is welcome to go back Tsar’s day’s of ruling by German elite, who incidentally consider Russian inferior according to my reading of Catherine’s biography. He is welcome to go back of old day of gently ask pay for peace from its neighbors.
Nothing that China has not experienced before.We will make sure food over flow in storage, peace on the street, and at borders, willing friends from all directions.
What US and Russia going to do will define them more than China. I am sure Xi’s having a team of historians scrolling up down the history books for ideas on all different scenarios, and adapted them to the new situation.
I would not lost my sleep one way or other.
Russia would be stupid to follow Kissinger doctrine of 70s in reverse.
If China falls then russia falls next.
Small concession about Ukraine is nothing compared to very existence of Russia.
Does russiawant to be slave to angkoanericans for life?
Russia better wise up because UK /America evil combo is counting on russia betraying her allies again.
Socho, Russia had a very troubled relation with China since it come in contact. However, Since we settled the border in 90s, the relationship started getting better. The past two years it is specially good between the two country and people.
IMHO, Russia should fully engage Trump, and settle the middle east and east european issues quickly to her favor, at mean time still fully engaged with China. She may have to do it low key, I think Chinese government will be happy to obligate. One thing they need to be care for is managing the public perception of Russian and Chinese people. We finally has very good people to people relationship, we should be very careful not to damage it.
The west may come and go, in case of Mr Trump, by next tweet, but China will always be there right next door. Russia has a very able government, we really need to have faith in them.
Sad to hear China has made so little progress toward improving the environment. If man-made climate change is real (I’m skeptical, but open to the possibility) it will be hopeless to decrease carbon emissions until the Chinese clean up their act.
CHINA TO INVEST $360 BILLION IN GREEN ENERGY BY 2020 TO REDUCE POLLUTION:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/china-invest-360-billion-green-energy-2020-reduce-pollution-538844%3Famp%3D1?client=ms-android-google
Many so called environmental issues are just to derail other nations progress after the world has been most polluted by anglosaxon.
English are master in doing this sort of sabotage.
Now English propaganda outlet green peace is pumping for Arctic to be declared environmently dangers area to be protected by international treaty
!!
Guess who is at target ? .Russia ofcourse.
Another plot by English to destabilise arctic through so called green peace .
http://signup.greenpeace.org.uk/m/?_ma=1196&_msai=%28SourceAffiliateId%29&_msd=%28SourceData%29&_ms=569&_ml=601
It is important to maintain the distinction between carbon emissions which pollute (particulate matter such as soot) and carbon dioxide emissions which do not pollute.
China is installing new generation coal electricity which does not pollute since the nitrogen and sulfur , along with the black carbon, are all recovered and used as fertiliser.
CO2 is different from particulate, but it causes global warming, and is also a pollutant in large quantities. Soot is not very dangerous in low quantities, unless you are breathing it in directly.
Like poisons, it’s a matter of quantity and concentration, and what exists to neutralize it if in excess.
I have been to China only two months ago and I found the inhabitants very hard working disciplines and courteous.
I am Indian and did discuss the politics too.
They were sad about Indian verbal aggression against China
I agreed with them
I explained that 3 years ago the thinking emerged that combination of Russia China and India is necessary to counter sngloamerican bullying.
In order to prevent this the Anglo spies started their lies in India to distance India from Brics solidarity.
India is in grip of sngloamerican boot licking slavish collie type elites since the day an unelected man was imposedas prime minister of India called mm singh.
That Sikh traitor is an agent working for American interests.
Since then for last 13 years India has become a colony working for American interests.
Russia must not give s499 and t50 to India as the treacherous Indian elites will pass on the secrets to Americans.
Hi, Socho, Nice to meet you. It is not often to meet an Indian with friendly view about China online even I know you exist.:-)
In history, India’s relation to China is really opposite of China’s relationship to Russia.
We never had conflict, Chinese alway thought of India as the west heaven where gods lives. Our conflicts in last century had roots in British colonial design. We are no being friends is really nothing less than a tragedy.
Maybe your nationalist government will get themselves so wound up with extremism, it will eventually threw itself over the cliff. After that, your people will be able to look into your ancient wisdom for guidance, and do well.
I was surprise to read last night that many Indian youngsters has good view of China and want to study in China. In 20/30 years, we will likely have plenty of friends in India, and we will be friends again.
Another plot by English to destabilise arctic through so called green peace .
http://signup.greenpeace.org.uk/m/?_ma=1196&_msai=%28SourceAffiliateId%29&_msd=%28SourceData%29&_ms=569&_ml=601
Sorry and surprised to hear that the author was badly treated in Shanghai!
An Indian girlfriend of mine went with her husband and children on one of those trips to trace ancestral roots and village in China, so fashionable now.
She is dark as midnight but was treated like a celebrity by the community, with almost everyone wanting pictures with her!
The point is, the further that people are away from modern metrics of success and wealth, the more inclusive and easygoing they are likely to be.
Shanghai can be a hard-nosed place , even for other Chinese.
The author’s journal is agenda-free and insightful, despite just a month long journey around a sprawling country.
Yes I also read this article and found it simply great! Such “social documentation” is sorely needed in a world filed with fake and biased news.
Not that is doesn’t have problems of its own. e.g. the contradictions in the essay (that some people mention in the comments), generalizing about China from a 30-day trip, Chinese having an “inferiority complex” w.r.t. foreigners but not greeting him in a hotel unlike his Chinese friends, saying that China is sparkling clean but seeing cigarette stubs etc. In such personal experiences, we have to remain very guarded against such contradictory narratives. I don’t blame the author though; China is just a vast country. Like in India: if you observe something, the opposite may also be true!
However, seen in terms of this framework and within this caveat, I find the article very well articulated and the author very observant than most. Few people would care to observe such subtleties when on a trip. He is also far less opinionated than your typical western journalist with an agenda (i.e. most of them).
1. I am not too concerned with the negative things the author says, such as racism, corruption, non-politeness of fellow train passengers, glances made towards foreigners, education being “slave labor” for children etc. Exactly the same problems exist in all developing countries, including India. The difference is that China will eliminate these problems sooner than other developing nations.
2. Racism: At least in China, racism and caste-based discrimination is not institutionalized, as in India. It is only people’s personal prejudices that give rise to racism in China – an attitude that may change in the next generation. In India, .on the other hand, it is combined with government policy and actions that encourage religious divisions and dogma.
Foreigners receive stares even in India. That’s nothing new. Indians and Chinese don’t receive stares in the US or Canada because there are more of them there.
Not that the author is a saint himself. Note the usage of the word “Gringo” (not the one in quotes, but the other usage while mentioning the kissing couple). However, he is absolutely right in saying that the different races have no basis in anthropological reality. Racism is largely a red herring concocted by 19th century European historians in part to justify European rule over Asian and African colonies.
3. “Giving credit where credit is due”. I don’t know of a single ancient Chinese philosopher or thinker not giving credit to India or an Indian when it was deserved. Nobody denies Kung Fu’s Indian roots. There are murals and paintings in Shaolin that depict Bodhidharma practicing Kung Fu exercises along side other Chinese monks. It is rather amusing how the author says that Chinese don’t give credit, but in the same breath says that temples contain Sanskrit words!
Since China had a culture of historical documentation (unlike India), the source was known most of the time – and it was credited. This is how we know that other things – and not just Buddhism – were transmitted to China from India. India did not have a equivalent documentation and record-keeping culture, and that’s why traffic that went the other way is less known.
For example, it is likely that the concept of manipulating breath via breathing exercises originated in China and then went to India, and so on. Traveler’s chronicles offer a great example. Indians went to China too (and settled there) and indeed, all over the world. However, no Indian equivalent of Xuanzang or Faxian or Ibn Battuta has turned up.
The historical consensus today is (a simple Google search shows this, which the author didn’t do), that monks in China were already practicing Kung Fu before Indian missionaries reached there. The drastic change that happened with Indian influence was that Kung Fu and martial arts became institutionalized. The popular “Chinese” Kung Fu marital arts are actually a blend of Indian and Chinese techniques. There may be other marital arts that are completely indigenous to China though.
4. Subway better then Toronto: Perhaps, but one thing to consider is that Chinese subway and metro trains are newer, and thus look more swanky. I had a friend visiting Mumbai from Atlanta, US. When he boarded the new Mumbai metro train, he was immediately impressed and mentioned that this was even better then the Atlanta metro system. However, the latter first entered service in 1979, but the Mumbai metro had only started operations a year ago.
5. Coal Plants. China is not adding two coal plants a week, but one a week. There are enough online sources for this. It is not clear where the author got his information from.
6. The author gets too carried away with his recommendations section at the end. For example, he probably doesn’t know that the film 3 Idiots is already quite popular in China. It is clear that he didn’t ask any Chinese about it. He recommends that China “cooperate with the US, among others, to help with the gas turbine manufacture”, but doesn’t seem to know that China is already the world’s largest market and producer of renewable energy sources.
Apart from these few points, I find the article to be quite detailed, articulate, balanced, sound, and largely free of bias. I suggest that we consider having more stuff like this on HH too – with suitable disclaimers added at the top.
– Maitreya
http://indiaschinablog.blogspot.com/
Hi Maitreya, It is very nice to meet you here. I like your blog a lot and I sure will check there very often, I hope you post more here and there.:-) I am very happy to meet you and Socho here. It had never happened before anywhere.
My only addition to your comment is regarding the coal plants. Here is some publications regarding coal and steel capacity cutting which has been going on for while(there is plenty on this the past year), here is most recently report:
China to cut 800m tons of coal capacity annually by 2020
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2016-12/31/content_27832007.htm
Hubei to shut all coal mines within two years, Xinhua says
http://www.atimes.com/article/hubei-shut-coal-mines-within-two-years-xinhua-says/
Mr. Maitreya, my this response if not direct at you. It is my feeling in general. I agree with your comments on this topic (#3). I am just tag along on your excellent comments here.
This “Giving credit where credit is due” stuff is something seems more important for India, and some time the West.
Chinese did not demand the world to acknowledge about products Chinese invention on every factory utilizing gunpowder, compass, paper, press, plow, every checkered field, textile machine, forced air furnace and etc.
Every culture contribute to good and progress of mankind. Today, everyone stand on top of past giant. To demand recognition of ancient achievement in a way Indian does now, is a disrespect to other people and culture.
Some Indian poster claimed before here that China would collapse without India in form of buddhism. To think about it, I also have heard about claim of Kung Fu was from India (I doubt Chinese incapable of martial arts without Indian). All this to me are nothing less than obnoxious.
It is like Chinese go around world claim “without us Chinese you’d starve to death, you’d not able to sail the world, you’d not to produce steel in quantity, you’d not able to write in paper”, ant etc…
IMHO, if China did not invent those things, someone else would sometime later, If there were no buddhism, some other ideas would take its place.
When we invent a thing, a process, or a idea, we all proud when it catch on, and make people’s life easier, or more fulfilling, but we do not own it any more when it mature and spread, just like with life of our children. You proud how well they turn out, but after they grew up, it is their life to live.
Every culture contribute to the progress of the world, some more, some less. If you contribute more, congratulations, if you are less, it happens, and there is plenty opportunities in the future.
For heaven sake, stop telling the world they owe you something or have to credit to you for something happened thousands years ago. You may think those demand show India’s superiority, but in reality they tell people the opposite.
No one need to feel indebted to someone as long as you did it on your free will, your initiative, your time, your money, legally and etc. Because most time, the possibility of failure of introducing some thing new is much greater than stay same! The adapters also contribute as much if not more in many cases to adapt and evolve the ideas as well.
Thank you for your careful and excellent brief analysis. My spouse is from China and we wish to visit family. She agreed with your assesments. Tom
I read this article objectively, myself having spent 27 days in China within 2 years, in 5 different cities from north, north-west/central, and south-east. The author’s “Anil Chelampath” observations about speedy progress/development is correct. But most of his other comments about China’s people/society are really incredulously wrong. I go as far as to call it, rubbish even. His experiences with China’s people, are not what myself and others I know, have experienced there. And no, we are not caucasians (white skinned folk). I suspect the author “Anil Chelampath” is either imagining things, being overly sensitive, or had done something to cause others to stare at him rudely. I stand by my recommendations to all international travellers, no matter their skin colour – even Africans – that China’s people are very welcoming to foreigner visitors.
Next, the author’s “Anil Chelampath” so called ‘recommendations’ to China’s government for improvements are also ridiculous. Appreciated is his wanting to give suggestions for improvements in some areas, but his methods and ideology will never work in China. By the very statement he made about Deng XiaoPing, says it all. The man knows nothing.
I hope anyone reading my post, will visit China with an open mind. Please discard what “Anil Chelampath” the author wrote. If you visit the place with the baggage from his opinions, you are doing yourselves a disfavour. Visit China with an open mind, and open heart. Understand that you are visiting a developing status nation, it is still developing. You will see more modernisation in terms of toilets for example, in cities like Shanghai. Expect squat toilet for the ladies. Hotels all have seated toilets. Chinese culture is not an “in-your-face” attitude. It is mild, controlled, peace loving, harmony loving. Expect to hear or see people spitting on the ground (something which I hope in years to come will be eliminated). You will not see this in Shanghai though for some reason. Appreciate the rich 5000 year history, every city is full of their long history. One cannot finish all of China in a few months, it is so vast and a lot to see. Take your time and enjoy the experience. Chat with locals, with taxi drivers. They love foreigners. Bear in mind that they don’t queue at the subway so it will be a rush into the trains. Like I said, they are still developing, things will take time, even learning to queue. If you are coming from the west, the currency rates will allow you to eat and live like a king. All westerners in China I noted stayed at the executive level rooms in hotel, because it is dirt cheap for them. My observation of the nationalities/races of foreign tourists that were most visible to me in China are namely South Koreans and Indians. These 2 nationalities have a strong presence in visiting China. Enjoy your holiday there!
Thank you Anil for all of this! An extremely interesting additional (and vast) subject is the current state of Christianity in mainland China (please ‘google’), which miraculously survived the ‘Cultural Revolution’ and is continuing to expand at a remarkable rate.
I think I’ll pass China..Thanks for the well written story.
As a foreigner living in China, I found your experiences to be eerily close to mine despite you be there for only 30 days! A fantastic read, I hope others may gain a glimpse of China from this.
Very interesting and written in a straight forward way.Easy to understand and enjoy.Educational and current.Many thanks for sharing with me.