Source http://news-front.info/2015/06/03/o-tex-kto-slivaet-novorossiyu-rostislav-ishhenko/
Translated by Gideon
People never cease to amaze me. For example, many Russians sincerely believe that different types of Russians live in the Crimea, in Donbass, Odessa and Kharkov because the Crimea is now Russia, because in Donbass there is war and because Kharkov and Odessa are still occupied and under repression. We might just as well argue that citizens of Moscow are 1.5 times better than citizens of Volgograd, two times better than citizens of Kursk and three times better than citizens of Kharkov and Rostov-on-the-Don, because during the Second World War the Germans captured Kharkov and Rostov 3 times, Kursk once, while they Stalingrad never fully occupied, and never even entered Moscow. Of course, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky is populated by traitors, which, while our country was fighting, sat safely well behind the front lines.
This is not an exaggeration, this seems to be the view shared by the average Russian citizen concerning the current events destabilising the world and country today. However, this phenomenon does not apply only to Russia. In Ukraine, President Putin has consistently won when sociologists asked the question: “Who would you vote for, if foreign politicians could run alongside Ukrainian ones in the presidential elections in Ukraine? ” In addition, if in Russia Putin’s rating has risen to 80-85% after the return of the Crimea, in Ukraine, he won in the first round with 75-80%of the votes in these hypothetical elections every year for five consecutive years. Moreover, I recently spoke with a sociologist friend, who still carried out these surveys without publishing the results, and he claims that in 2014 Putin still won the hypothetical Ukrainian elections in the first round, with his approval rating hardly touched. We do acknowledge that about half of Ukrainian citizens sincerely believe that the country is at war with Russia, and “bloody Putin” unleashed that war.
Furthermore, Ukraine is not simply at war. That war is seen by the European-oriented part of the population as a fight for Democracy against Totalitarianism and for all that is good against everything that is bad. Additionally, Putin personally becomes the embodiment of “Russian totalitarianism” and everything bad. And yet Ukrainian ‘Democrats’ are willing to vote for none other but Putin as their president.
The Russian social network fraternity often makes fun of their euro-obsessed Ukrainian compatriots, rightly arguing that the latter have attributed to Putin truly divine features. Without his personal intervention nothing would be happening either in, or around Ukraine. However, no one seems to have noticed that the Russian mass consciousness is also undergoing a similar process, but here we also see a further division of this mass consciousness.
On the one hand, Putin is perceived as a man who can accomplish anything. For example, he can put the U.S. in its place with one twitch of his eyebrows , put an end to the Ukrainian crisis, chase the Islamic state out of Syria and Iraq and create heaven on earth before breakfast. But for some reason, he just doesn’t seem to want to do that. As a result, hundreds of bloggers start giving him friendly advice of this sort: “Come on, Vladimir Vladimirovich, just strangle the enemy”.
And then there is a parallel legend, according to which there is a “fifth column” of liberals in the government, the oligarchs who have been unleashed by Putin, the Rockefellers, the Morgans, the ubiquitous Rothschilds, the Masons and the World Zionist conspiracy and all the assorted forces of evil. The very forces, to whom Putin swore an oath of allegiance in a previous life, are not allowing the Russian people and their true defenders to irrevocably defeat the American Reich in its own lair, and for that are doing everything to destroy invincible Donbass.
In this version, Putin is at war with himself, and the only reason that the US has yet to devour Russia is because it hasn’t, like the Gogol’ character Viiy, been raised its eyelids, but that is about to happen.
The only guy tougher than Putin is Surkov. Surkov is consistent. In all versions, he schemes to betray Donbass and then destroy Putin and Russia. In order to achieve this, he has forced Putin to sign the Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 agreements. He also squeezed out of Donbass one wannabe “field marshal” who has been telling for a year now how everything is collapsing without his presence. Surkov has appointed his minions everywhere in Donbass that have stolen everything, took all imaginable bribes, and are now surrendering Donbass. Haven’t been able to accomplish that in a year, but every public speech of the “field marshal” ends with the statement that sooner or later cunning Surkov will get his own way.
Occasionally, it must be acknowledged that these local flunkies in power in Donbass refuse to surrender Donbass. However, Surkov’s omnipotence remains undiminished.
This version, incidentally, does not require Putin’s presence. He is redundant to that scheme. One is forced to explain his activities while Surkov intrigues. But who would pay attention? The phrase “Surkov has deceived Putin” encapsulates the narrative. People don’t occupy themselves with what the Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) is for, or the Foreign Intelligence Service, or even Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff (GRU), which the Ukrainian Security Service is always dreaming about. What are these security services doing, and how is it possible that one assistant can so manifestly deceive the president, who, in every one of his public engagements displays remarkable awareness of what is happening in the country, the world and the immediate vicinity of the solar system? Is Putin not allowed to receive reports from Ivanov, Medvedev, Fratkov and Bortnikov? Or has Surkov deceived them as well?
I can dream up hundreds of these narratives. Can someone, please, explain to me why people who are able to design spacecraft, build bridges, solve complex equations, cure diseases, teach simultaneously 30 children, when the majority are unable to deal with one or two, would then get lost in broad daylight, voluntarily suppress all rational thought and blindly accept the maddest conspiracy theory to explain the political situation.
Why would not the Ukrainians admit that if they are prepared to elect Putin as their president (even with the sole motivation that he is an efficient manager), then surely that means that they are voting for a Russian system? Does it not mean that life in Russia is better, and, therefore, it is not Russia they are fighting with but rather with their own complexes?
The Russians really should reflect on this: The Crimea, which received Russian citizenship in 2014 only differs from the drowned in blood Donbass insofar as the Russian Navy is based there. If it had been the other way around, Donbass would have been in Russia now, and the Crimean people likely would then have been fighting at the Perekop or, perhaps, would have been repressed, as Odessa and Kharkov have been.
Why don’t both those seekers of hidden agendas and those looking for simple explanations who cannot understand why Putin did not simply put his foot down and send in the armed forces to sort this all out recall that in 2000 Putin became president of a country huge in size but much smaller in political influence? This country was quite comparable to Ukraine under Kuchma. At that time both were co-sponsors of the peace process in Transnistria, and Ukraine, at that time, actively participated in conflict resolution in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Nagorno-Karabakh.
After only fifteen years, Ukraine is falling apart before our eyes, consumed in the fire of the civil war, and Putin is now running a superpower. Let’s be clear here: the term superpower is now unchallenged when applied to Russia. Only five years ago, the term superpower was not so much debated as ridiculed, with even certain Russian diplomats disclaiming the term. Could that possibly be that Putin is better versed in politics than those wise bloggers and great generals, as well as their knowing all and then some readers and followers, every one of which is, if not exactly Aristotle, then at least Alexander the Great?
Perhaps, simple conclusion is warranted that if a team has been effectively working for 15 years with periodic turnover, yet with preservation of the team dynamics, then Surkov is just as much a team player as others and has limited room for manoeuvre. Exclusively within his job description. And if today he is occupied with affairs of Ukraine that does not mean that nobody else is.
I am far from thinking that those on that team are all fond of each other. Moreover, I am convinced that some members of the team are not the best of friends, to put it mildly. However, our expectations of them are not ‘family harmony’ but political success. Let a person who is willing to say that this arrangement is ineffectual cast the first stone at me.
I remind the doubters that in the years 1989-1991 the entire audience of the show “Look” and reader of the journal “Twinkle” understood the mistakes of the past and how to build the bright future. But from that “knowledge” sprung “rakish 1990s”, which many did not survive, and those who did still are unable to comprehend how they managed to do that, and how the country endured.
That is why we should not blindly trust next tribunes that know everything in advance. Yeltsin was such tribune and was considered infallible by many. It is sufficient to ask straightforward questions and give logically plausible answers.
Most importantly, do not think that if the first Minsk agreement [Minsk 1] was deemed stillborn by half of the commentators and that 99% described Minsk 2 in the same terms, then Putin did not understand things obvious to any individual interested in politics.
If Surkov really holds responsibility for Ukraine, and Ukraine, for over a year, is unequivocally moving towards a war, then this is certainly not against his will. If he had fought for peace at any price (even at the price of disgrace), then there would have already been a shameful peace, or he would have been removed.
Life is not a Hollywood thriller with a complex plot in which evil is omnipresent and insidious. The variety of personal wills, interests and aspirations of those who hold influence can render political decisions fairly predictable. Victory is based on deeper understanding of the wider range of possibilities and on finding the course of actions, which, for the opponent, is unexpected.
That is what the Russian government does brilliantly. This is, of course, far from nice that it does not share its plans with the public. However, we all remember what old man Mueller played by Bronevoy in “17 Moments of Spring” said: “If two people know, even the pig is aware”. In conclusion, it’s better let our people worry a little than let our overseas “friends and partners” be forewarned of our responses to all their mean acts.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/06/surkovs-propaganda.html?m=1
On the white herring known as Strelkov…
When will the Donbass reject this dangerous spiv..?
Whats not to like about re’-runs of the Zhirinovsky show?
Looks like the faction in the Kremlin that Ishchenko works for is starting to panic. They have been throwing out all the stops in the last couple of weeks. One day, an article that Kiev is about to collapse. The next day, that the US is. Now, this article says that the Kremlin isn’t full of oligarchical interests. Sure. And he deflects by saying you would have to believe in a Masonic conspiracy to think that. Putin is sacred. Right. Hey, isn’t he starting to sound like Strelkov?
So this is great news. The oligarchs in the Kremlin look like they are in trouble. If we can get rid of or weaken them, then Putin can actually do things like modernize the economic system, ditch the Western-controlled banking system, and expel all the Western-owned media and NGOs.
Paul II
Your papal name marks you. (He was complete nothing of a Pope, by the way.)
Nonetheless, you begin from the assumption, unproven, that the Kremlin is festooned with oligarchs.
Name one.
Be certain they are Kremlin (government officials), not judo partners, co-FSB men, nor heads of the state-owned business enterprises. Name their portfolio, department, ministry.
Since 2013 when Putin signed the decree, state officials must be transparent on their wealth, and transactions.
You see, dear Paul, your argument that the Kremlin needs reform because oligarchs populate it seems frail at best.
The oligarchs were all invited out of the political sphere long ago by Putin.
Now if you meant, powerful men are in the Kremlin . . . then, yes, of course. And they all get their power from Putin. He has the team for the job he wants done. Anyone not doing the job in the Kremlin is sent into private life. Down in the bowels of the massive government is where inertia exists, but Putin really has only held office since 2013 with the mandate and imperatives to change things. Prior to that time he had to save Russia, lift Russia, resuscitate Russia.
So, considering the short time frame of Tsar Vladimir Putin’s reign, he’s done very well for Russia.
You need to bone up on reality. Stuff some accurate information into that pointy little head of yours upon which twirls a propeller.
There are no factions in the Kremlin.There is no zigzag of policy or lack of momentum or indecision about anything the Kremlin does. It looks like the most efficient government though it is under unrelenting attack in all forms of destabilization and propaganda. The last thing it needs is your lame ideas.
Dear Red,
And your name means what? Someone who goes along with the ride of Communism?
Almost the entire world is ruled by oligarchs, and you want to argue that they don’t have influence in Russia, even though there was an almost total takeover by the West not that long ago? And you say Putin didn’t have real power till 2013? So let me turn a question or three to you. Why did this mess in the Ukraine happen in the first place? Why were Russia’s diplomats simply friends of oligarchs with their own business interests there? Why no efforts to win over the public, but probably billions in hidden deals with the oligarchs? Why would the NAF not take Mariupol? Wasn’t it to make Akhmetov happy? Isn’t that the thinking that got Russia into this mess in the first place?
re: “There are no factions in the Kremlin.”
This is absurd. There are factions in the President’s office in Vanuatu. And even big supporters of Putin say his biggest failing is in not attacking the terrible corruption problem in Russia.
All I am trying to say is that one can make a case that things have not been going well with the Kremlin’s policies in the Ukraine, and that Putin needs to work on changing the banking and economic system more. In the case of the Ukraine, a very passive approach was taken. Is it working? Is the US about to collapse, as some say? Is Kiev? Or is the US going to gradually put military forces into the Western Ukraine and Odessa, so that Russia will never be able to get them out when the whole thing blows up? Are we still sure that time is on Russia’s side?
This doesn’t mean Russia should invade. There were and are other means to be more aggressive. But, just as you tire of me making these points, I am tired of the pro-Kremlin folks assuming that everything the Kremlin does is well-thought out and above reproach. They have an almost impossible task to handle at the moment, and one should always desire constructive criticism. If nothing else, the Kremlin needs much better propaganda to explain what they are thinking.
Paul ii….but why do you insist that Putin is responsible for cleaning up the Ukraine…that’s American thinking…its what they do all over the world…in their opinion, they’re ‘cleaning things up’…why should Putin interfere ? What’s in it for Russia to have their leader interfering in another country ?
Is it ok, if it agrees with your politics ?
First, I don’t really consider it to be a foreign country. The end of the USSR was not done in a legitimate way. Second, Russia has too many vital interests there, from business to not having missiles in Kharkov. Currently, the US cannot reach Russia’s missiles in the Urals, but that would change if the US got control of Kharkov. So this is a big red line. Third, it is not a question of Putin interfering. The West has been interfering and building up dangerous forces and causing massive problems for Russia for decades, if not a century. This is a response to the massive interference by the West. If your neighbor had been shooting out your windows, throwing dead animals in your back yard, and then buys some huge tankers of fuel and starts a fire, what should you do? If you don’t stop the fire, your house will burn down.
It isn’t really a question of one’s politics. It is more like a modern way of the Nazis’ Operation Barbarossa. Why did Stalin interfere in German affairs? So all discussions here are based on the idea that the West wants to harm or smash Russia. The only debate is how to respond to that.
Didn’t you ever see the movie Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze?
….be nice. Until it is time not to be nice….
Ukraine isn’t just another country.It is as important to Russia (maybe more so) than Canada or Mexico to the US.Ethnically and historically they where/are one nation.It’s like when something horrible befalls a member of your family.You aren’t just a disinterested bystander then,it’s personal.Leaving aside the economic reasons,and even military security,they are family. Symbolically in most cases,but literally in many.
Pakistan, India and Bangladesh were all one country before the British decided to carve it up. one people and one culture. But a divided people based on tribes. It was not always this way until the politicians got into it and sided with the priests and defeated the military to take power. But still many empires overlapped all 3 countries when they were split off after ashoka united them. The british turned the most prosperous areas into slums and everyone else into villages. The Pakistani’s then started raping Bangladesh because they were considered inferior people. Even so far as to overthrow the government and the military takeover. The US sided with Pakistan in all this. After more than 10 million refugees poured into India, they decided to split the country. But even today, even with all the corruption in India and there are not many uncorrupt people in the country, the other 2 are hellholes, US is siding with Pakistan which is the model for Ukraine and in almost very instance, they are behaving similarly. Now that India is so much more powerful than Pakistan and nothing they do can make a difference even with nuclear weapons, they have turned inward and not finding any one else to be the undermishen, they are using the minorities in their own states. Still the #1 patron is unfazed.. Anyone can understand why the Saudi’s propping up the Pakistan regime as Saudi armed forces is basically the Pakistani armed forces. India is not even providing support for Pakistani rebels with assistance since a fractured Pakistan would be like over 200 mil people running in all directions and we can see the problems with less than 50 mil in Iraq, Syria and the rest of the place. The US plan might be to fracture Pakistan which would destroy india and iran and create problems for Russia and the stans. But there is no ONE people or ONE culture.. because the AZ’s will find something to split people apart using something. And heck they are already using sex as a weapon to create friction because a strong family is not conducive to easy governance. Hence LGBT’s and empowering women, empowering some minorities while oppressing others. all it wont take much for it all to break apart.
To a great extent on culture that is right.But with religion and ethnic origins the Raj India was far more diverse than Ukraine,Russia,and Belarus.And with a history before the British of many separate states.
One hopes that Pakistan proves to be more stable than that. China is betting on Pak resilience, with a plan to invest $46 billion. As you say, we in India stand to lose if Pak fractures. Pak resilience will depend on progress in the sheikhdoms . If Saudi monarchy can be made to collapse, Pak ultras also would lose.
Paul II, Thank you for your interesting point of view. I have been desperate and depressed for the past week. I am starting to thing that Kremlin got itself into a corner by its passivity and now is in panic because passivity didn’t work.
They are trying to avoid war by sacrificing Syria ( Russian specialists recalled, Syrian delegation in Iran begin that Russia doesn’t stop giving them weapons) and Novorossia. What Zakharchenko couldn’t tell his people at the meeting on 6/15 was that his army has order from the Russian generals not to attack. In other words – to keep to Minsk2 unilaterally and let Ukrainian army slaughter civilians ( or there won’t be ammunition, food or medicine).
I frankly don’t care who is the author of this failed policy – be it Surkov, Security council or Putin. What’s important is that by showing indecisiveness, zig-zags, and passivity Kremlin encouraged US to play the war card.
Brilliant, insightful and hilarious. It must be the translation that carries all of these qualities forward, so I am very thankful for that effort by Gideon.
Should be read by all the Anonymous (mice?) who plague us with their incessant drivel against Putin. Read once before each time they think of commenting.
And by Strelkov himself and his band of merry worshippers.
Thanks, Gideon, and thanks, Saker.
You seem an intelligent person…but can not comprehend the possibilities. Read all of Pual II’s comments above then rephrase your own.
As you point out, I’m intelligent, and having read a few of Paul II’s comments I understand well he brings nothing but trollish blather.
And I have zero regard for ‘anonymous’ category, because it represents the gaseous spaces. If a person’s attitude is to be one of many of the same, his/her opinion is worthless by definition. Now and again some folks post worthy comments, sadly, painfully, using Anonymous. However, the end result is they recede swiftly from memory because of that appellation.
So the choice is generally worthless in the category of anonymous and worthless in the category of trollish Paul II.
What I do cherish is the high intellect of many commenters, even some with whom I don’t always agree or in some cases, some who criticize with my remarks. Generally, these all have names and good minds attached.
Have a nice day.
Then let’s agree to sort of disagree. You think I am a troll, and I think you have the strongest rose-colored glasses the world has ever seen. You are definitely not a troll, and have posted or created great material.
If things work out well on the current path, I will apologize to you for having had so many doubts about the Kremlin’s plans, behavior, and sometimes inaction. All’s well that ends well. If you ever change your mind and come around to the view that they made some major mistakes, then perhaps you can admit that then. Of course, in either case, it might take two or three years to really make any judgement.
Larchmonter,
as they say in this part of Ireland:
“until you buy a crystal ball wind your neck in”
for a definition, see here http://matadornetwork.com/notebook/50-british-phrases-americans-just-dont-understand/
As my Irish wife often said to some folks: Pogue Mahone, Anonymous.
“If two people know, even the pig is aware”
You Russians are killing me. Your humor, and the broadness of your minds, remind me of my childhood, when a good education was commonplace, and analysis was another word for common sense.
I’m supremely grateful that this was said, that someone took the time and had the largeness of mind to herd the mice out of every corner and shoo them all out the door.
As already noted (by the traditional Anonymous first comment, no less), this article ties beautifully with the Ishchenko analysis on Strelkov over at Fort Russ right now.
Thank you Saker for this. It has frankly been a hard week for me reading the depressing news out of Donetsk and seeing the dignity of Zakharchenko answering the legitimate complaints of the Oktyobursky district residents on crutches, even as Porky/Yats and the rest of the junta scum hide behind their bodyguards and avoid those who would confront them about their sons killed in this fratricidal war.
All while the US Army psyops-inspired EuroMaidanPR and fake ‘VoiceofDonbas’ propagandists shilled about Donetsk residents blaming the NAF for the Ukrainian war criminals daily shelling their homes and streets. Did the Western presstitutes ever once claim that the Bosnian Muslims were ‘using human shields’ in Sarajevo as that city was shelled for months? Did they accuse the Syrian jihadists of ‘hiding behind civilians’ as they attacked the Army and Allawi or Christian minorities they viewed as pro-Assad?
Of course not, damnable hypocrites one and all. And I have never been more ashamed as an American of those in our armed forces, particularlly those psyops guys, and certain sociopathic former Army psyops dudes like Joel Harding (threatening a fellow American who’s in Donbass with arrest and torture by the SBU, how freedom loving is that). Even during the Vietnam War at least our guys could pretend that the Viet Cong/VC were worse than the ARVN guys who were dragging suspected VC off the streets or just summarily shooting them in the head (the context of that infamous pic was the ARVN colonel had just watched two of his guys get blown away). The people of Donbass by contrast aren’t killing people in Kiev or launching a Tet offensive there (though God knows I wouldn’t mind if the SBU HQ and EuroMaidanPR kids got lit up, sending all the junta rats scurrying for their holes). They are simply defending their home soil which the ignorant or stupid bastards aiding this Kiev regime at all levels, according to those two SBU/Ukrainian foreign intel service defectors said, either don’t know or more likely don’t care of. Maybe they’ve bought the propaganda that everybody shooting back at the Ukrainian Army is a ‘Russian invader’ but I rather suspect the Pentagon has a breakdown of the real numbers.
You realise of course that Bosnian Muslims were also shelling the Serbian parts of Sarajevo?
But somehow foreign journalists staying behind Muslim lines at Sarajevo’s Holiday Inn weren’t that interested.
When Bernard Henri Levy’s report from Sarajevo was filmed by a Bosnian Muslim TV crew it was with pre-recorded sound track of artillery explosions and sniper fire to which BHL would flinch and dodge.
Years later Hillary Clinton claimed to have come under Serbian sniper fire on an airport tarmac in Bosnia in 1996 although the war had ended in 1995.
While an assembly of schoolchildren stood on the tarmac and watched and waited patiently to present her with flowers Hillary somehow managed to zig-zag over to them.
True.
You realise of course that Bosnian Muslims were also shelling the Serbian parts of Sarajevo?
But somehow foreign journalists staying behind Muslim lines at Sarajevo’s Holiday Inn weren’t that interested.
When Bernard Henri Levy’s report from Sarajevo was filmed by a Bosnian Muslim TV crew it was with pre-recorded sound track of artillery explosions and sniper fire to which BHL would flinch and dodge.
Years later Hillary Clinton claimed to have come under Serbian sniper fire on an airport tarmac in Bosnia in 1996 although the war had ended in 1995.
While an assembly of schoolchildren stood on the tarmac and watched and waited patiently to present her with flowers Hillary somehow managed to zig-zag over to them.
True.
And that photo of BHL crouching for cover, while the background 2 soldiers are standing around. Just veneer for the dumb sheeple.
re: “If Surkov really holds responsibility for Ukraine, and Ukraine, for over a year, is unequivocally moving towards a war, then this is certainly not against his will.”
??? Is this a good translation? It makes no sense. Surkov, Putin, Poroshenko, and Obama are all merely humans on the grand stage, no matter what they may wish to see in the Ukraine.
wonderful. Everything is said. Great. There is nothing to comment.
Regd
Sanjay
Nevermind, I say leave the EuroMaidanPR pukes alone, physically. The NAF should not stoop to the level of NATO which killed Serbian journalists in their building, a war crime for which Gen. Clark should answer before some future BRICS/ICC tribunal. Just sick and damn tired of the brazenness of the lies. This is why articles like this one are so important — they allow one to step back and see the long game. Which the Empire keeps losing, despite all their ‘tactical victories’ which are really just propaganda ‘wins’ of a hashtag or another tranche of freshly printed e-money — none of which can really claim hearts and minds. Not for long anyway if hungry bellies, dead sons coming back from the Donbass, or rolling brownouts and blackouts intervene.
SBU on the other hand, remind me of the Solzhenitsyn quote, “How we burned in the camps later…”
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34738-and-how-we-burned-in-the-camps-later-thinking-what
Nice and timely article. thanks for posting !! Unfortunately I don’t know who Surkov is…or what his function is. Sorry.
Once was deputy prime minister, then Putin separated him from the official business so he handles things unofficially, but everyone knows he’s doing what Putin wants done.
He is accused of lots of things by Strelkov, El Murid, et al.
If he is duplicitous, he is the only man walking who is fooling Putin. (Not very likely that he is a double-dealer behind Putin’s back nor likely that he would survive doing anything Putin didn’t want done.)
He deals with the oligarchs and criminals of Donbass. He has nothing to do with the war. They have Russian generals and colonels for that.
He is often deridingly referred to as Dudayev (birth name).
Vladislav Yuryevich Surkov (Russian: Владислав Юрьевич Сурков́, born Aslanbek Andarbekovich Dudayev) (born 21 September 1964)[1] is a Russian businessman and politician of Chechen descent.[2] He was First Deputy Chief of the Russian Presidential Administration from 1999 to 2011, during which time he was widely seen as the main ideologist of the Kremlin who proposed and implemented the concept of “managed” democracy in Russia. From December 2011 until May 2013 he served as the Russian Federation’s Deputy Prime Minister.[3][4] After his resignation, Surkov became a personal adviser of Vladimir Putin on relationships with Abkhasia, South Ossetia and Ukraine.[5
very interesting. Yes, who could fool Putin…?
Read the Ishchenko piece at Fort Russ, with great insight it fills in all the gaps you need, especially with regard to Surkov.
“Surkov’s Propaganda”
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/surkovs-propaganda.html
He is a very interesting and clever strategist working for Putin. Here are a couple of things:
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/11/hidden-author-putinism-russia-vladislav-surkov/382489/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4MWs7qTr8
Those are not really of a pro-Russian bent, but they still get the idea across. He is famous for the strategy of keeping everyone confused, so, for example, you can fund enemy groups and let it be known. He comes from the art world, and could be said to be post-modern, with ideas of mixing theater and politics or a strategy of being undefinable. The video gives an example of Surkov writing a story about war near the start of the current war where nobody knows what is going on in a war, and you don’t even know who your enemy is, but with a perpetual state of destabilized perception in order to manage and control people and politics. The goal is not to win the war but to use it for your own power purposes. As you can imagine, that thinking doesn’t necessarily win friends with soldiers fighting and dying for what they are told is a cause.
In any case, he seems to be quite competent and clever. He has certainly managed to keep many of us confused with a destabilized perception of what is going on in the Ukraine.
“He comes from the art world, and could be said to be post-modern, with ideas of mixing theater and politics or a strategy of being undefinable.”
Sounds like Sergei Kurginyan’s background as well.
Good article.I think that one of the most interesting parts was the part about the Ukrainians willing to vote for Putin as President of Ukraine.The reason,in my opinion (besides him being so much better than Poroshenko) is that they don’t really consider him as a “foreigner”.Like say they would Merkel,Cameron,Obama.They consider him as a fellow “Rus-sian”.On the other side in this inner-Russian civil war true,but a fellow slav Rus-sian,as they are.That must really burn the fascist nationalists and the West.And since now the Ukrainians are “outsourcing” their cabinet positions.As I said once before they should put Putin in as the PM or President.He has a proven track record in both type’s of positions.It would solve the crisis and lead to the unity they and Russia need (only a certain amount of satire there.It really would be the best solution).
Yeah, this guy of course must be totally reliable as he does not inhale.
Excluding DPR/LPR/Crimea, this Razumkov sociological center tells on 24 April 2015:
Compared with April 2014 increased the proportion of respondents who have a negative attitude to the President of Russia – from 70.8% to 75.5%, the Government of Russia – from 67.6% to 71.6%, the State Duma of Russia – 66 6% to 70.1%. The share of those who have a negative attitude to Russian citizens increased during this period from 16.6% to 25.9%, increased the proportion of those who treats the citizens of neutral (from 32.5% to 37.1%) and significantly decreased the proportion of citizens of Ukraine who are positive about the Russian citizens (from 44.9% to 28.9%
—Does not give a good breakdown–but not the winner numbers in any case
http://www.business.ua/articles/internal_politics/Antireyting-Putina-v-Ukraine-vyros-do–97469/
http://www.uceps.org/ukr/news.php?news_id=615
Poroshenko is not doing great but still doing better, http://russialist.org/three-quarters-of-ukrainians-not-satisfied-with-government/
Likely will win Ukrainian elections if held today
A couple of points here.One,the survey you show is from a Ukrainian site (interesting photo of Putin that shows on the article).Second,even it says only 26% (rounded) have a negative view of Russia.That leaves 74% either neutral or pro-Russian.Here is where the anti-Russian nature of the site may come into play.For this site the preferred answer would be negative.Yet only the 26% gave that answer.Now,in what country that (according to the junta) Russia has invaded,stolen their lands,killed their people.Are you going to have only a 26% negative poll.Try taking a poll on ISIS in the US or EU.And I’m going to bet the negative results would be much higher.As to Putin,anyone on that poll knows the expected answer is negative.And most people aren’t brave enough to buck that in a fascist state.With Russia it was easier to fudge,there its a whole country.While with Putin,the new Hitler,to the junta propagandists.That would be much harder.
Is it possible that citizens in the USSR had a better opinion of Hitler in 1942 than in 1940? Probably not – war does that to you. So it is really doubtful that Ukrainians, who have gone through great suffering and have seen Russia “take” the Crimea, are going to start to have a less horrible view of Putin. Similarly, it is going to be hard for people in the LPR or DPR to have a better view of Poroshenko now than last year. Again, war does that to you. Yes, Russia has tried to play nice in this war, but there are no nice wars, particularly civil wars.
Is it possible that citizens in the USSR had a better opinion of Hitler in 1942 than in 1940?
Well, we do know that certain–ahem!–ethnicities in the USSR had a very positive opinion of Hitler in 1942… positive enough to fight and die for him.
For a democratic nation to function well the people need to be well informed, well educated in history, critical thinking, political science — and yes, cybernetics and management. Also they need to be very ‘sane’ — i.e., not given to neurosis and delusions. That sounds like is nearly impossible but the key is careful attention to how children are raised and schooled, and not brainwashed (as they are in the US, and largely in EU, I would think). The US is a great example of how not to raise and educate children, and we see the result.
There is no good substitute for this, but truth-telling by politicians can compensate for a lot, and this is why I think Putin has met with such success: he’s a straight shooter who talks to people as if they were actual, adult, human beings instead of infantalized, zombified, sheep. But ti does take some time. A decent press and journalism is also helpful — and the posted article is decent journalism.
sorry, off topic, but for canadians a funny but serious news broadcast
https://youtu.be/oQaAU38sZC8
An article revealing some of the horrors of this war from the other side.The most important point is the response of the author to the man complaining.And the split in the man’s own family:
“Any hostilities imply that the number of people with disabilities around the country continues to climb. The people are left with no arms, no legs, blind, deaf…From all over the country comes scary data on the growing number of people with disabilities, and it is not surprising that the authorities are hiding these facts.
For example, 40 disable people arrived from Kharkov, from the war zone of the ATO. The state does not provide the money for their rehabilitation and prosthetics, i.e. they will become unwanted, and their families are left without breadwinners.
Mothers, think about where you send your sons, because, you send them to war as cannon fodder. And who will help you?
I know that today’s cynical and ignorant government will not give you the answers: where to get prosthetics, crutches, wheelchairs, welfare assistance, pensions, as well as where to find a job.
Yesterday I got a call from one of my friends, Boris from Lvov, who was left without a leg and without the right hand. Ripped by shrapnel. He found my number and called me asking for help to find him a wheelchair and crutches: “I beg you, I have no one to turn to, my wife left me, and my brother doesn’t talk to me, you know him, you are friends. By the way, have you talked to my brother?”.
I replied that I called him several times: “I told you not to go to go to this damn war, you will lose everything, your brother told you too. What have you achieved? Your brother is in St. Petersburg, took the whole family, didn’t he tell you?”. “No, we got in a huge fight and had a fall out, he doesn’t even talk to me. All this f$cking politics. I hate Poroshenko and this government.”
I replied: “You should have used your brain. I’ll call Kostya, he will give you the crutches, that’s all I can help you with. If I didn’t know your brother, I wouldn’t help you, because you have to take responsibility for your mistakes. Because of people like you many civilians were killed, many were disabled, especially innocent children. How many of them died because of people like you? You were duped like a sucker – no salary, no job, no visa-free regime, which you so dreamt about. I’m sorry for the harsh response, but you got everything you wanted, became an undesirable cripple. Okay, I was disabled since childhood, but how are you going to live with it? Not only became disabled, but sent how many lives to the other side. If I see your brother, I’ll be sure to say a word for you, but I can’t give you his phone number until he will allow it himself.”
That was the end of our conversation.
I am ready to give more examples and to tell only the truth in order for you to understand what is really going on and how you are deceived. You have no idea how much I want peace, I want our country to develop and live with our neighbors, such as Russia. We are all the same people, and there should be no quarrels between us.”
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/06/disabled-ukraine.html
Saker, I wouldn’t recommend to revere and repost Isshenko too much. These last 2 articles (including the followup which openly attacks Strelkov) look very “bought” and paid-for, rather untypical for his general writing style. e.g. Vershinin already wrote on this, his thoughts http://putnik1.livejournal.com/4349332.html being (in this case) rather similar to mine.
e.g. Strelkov’s comment on this was very laconic and clear: http://screencast.com/t/KGA1VS3rHU
Kudos! Капа доле!
An enigma indeed:
“Can someone, please, explain to me why people who are able to design spacecraft, build bridges, solve complex equations, cure diseases, teach simultaneously 30 children, when the majority are unable to deal with one or two, would then get lost in broad daylight, voluntarily suppress all rational thought and blindly accept the maddest conspiracy theory to explain the political situation.”
Thank you Saker – an interesting read.
The last two paragraphs sum it up and again raises the question of who is behind the court appeal in Russia to stop the secrecy of special ops. during peacetime (posted the link to the article yesterday)? Why would the Govt. want to let all unsundry know – it needs to be unexpected.
Rgds,
Veritas
“In conclusion, it’s better let our people worry a little than let our overseas “friends and partners” be forewarned of our responses to all their mean acts.”
Mr. Putin seems to either be the most incredible mind on the planet or someone who is a very good judge of character. My guess is that he knows the importance of every link in the chain ,from the mom and dad to his closest advisers . He doesn’t seem to be a person that would say ,look what I have done ,unless it was his personal mistake.
Russia was a superpower without Putin and has climbed back up to that status again with him at the helm .I guess that may give some of us in the west the hope that it is possible here as well . Not to become a superpower but to get on the right track . If it was possible for Russia to have managed to do so despite the many ills it suffered then I think he is a inspiration of hope .
He is someone who the west is learning can’t be second guessed and every time they try they find they are only getting deeper in the hole they have been digging .I cant say for sure he will succeed in neutralizing the west but I sure hope he does .
With the information war outside of Russia watching ,those that are paying attention can only say to those nay Sayers inside to chill a little .Win loose or draw ,he is the best guy you have to get the job done .
I agree that he shows its possible to renew your country (a hard job) but possible.But here is another point I’ve noticed as well.Many of the problems (maybe most) Russia is facing are the results of being under attack by the Empire.Without this attack Russia would be in far better shape than she is even now.That explains a great deal when we see reports of Russia’s economy being in trouble.When we look in the other direction, we see the problems the West has, were caused by themselves.Russia hasn’t attacked them .And today, any Russian sanctions on the West are purely retaliatory for Western sanctions on Russia.
I think the sanctions were a knee jerk reaction that were doomed to fail but has had a effect and maybe a possible positive one for Russia .Yes it has seemed to slow down the speed of the growth but has also caused Russia to be even better at looking forward .
There are bound to be some small turns in the road and so better planning to control the excoriation ,should be a good thing . Putin has the patience for this and the people can better understand it now with the Wests interference being so obvious . I see the sanctions as a force on the EU to reconsider their relationship with Washington . Sooner or later the people will speak and will not put up with those politicians beholden to Washington .
The energy sector will be the biggest issue for Washington to contend with if they can .
Mongolia is the next wedge point.
A friend posted this interview with Zakharchenko.I think its important to hear his own words about the future of Novorossia:
“Aleksandr Zakharchenko – On love, death, war and life
Exclusive interview of the Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic for “Ukraina.ru” internet resource
– How did the war start for you?
— You know, it started in a pretty banal way – with internet news. I watched the situation in Kiev in the end of 2013. Then I actually left for Kiev to see with my own eyes what was going on there. And I realized that that war started.
– When you returned home, you found yourself on the front line. What does a person feel, when he has to stand upright and shoot?
— I will tell you honestly, there was no fearlessness and recklessness. I am an ordinary human being. Ordinary people get scared. It’s scary, when bullets whistle overhead — you have a great problem standing up. Those, who experienced it, will understand me. The first three steps are the most difficult ones, and then the reflexes kick in. You must have heard the good old commandos slogan: “no one but us”. You realize that there’s no one but you, and rush forward! Gritting your teeth, clenching the fists, you go forward, because there is no other way. Someone has to do it.
– You mentioned fear. Are you afraid of dying?
— No. You see, when you are in the front line, the fear of death gets dull. Only one scare remains: that if you are killed, you will not succeed in what you are doing. This is, perhaps, the principal feeling.
– What about the loss of friends and comrades? There are different kinds of fear, aren’t there?
— You seem to be trying to single out its constituent parts. The fear of losing friends and comrades, who are in the rear – this fear, on the contrary, urges you to move forward, whatever the outcome. You see, here one fear replaces the other fear. The task is fulfilled. The enemy is defeated. And as for the consequences – well, the consequences are different for different people.
– Do you remember your first battle?
— I do. It was in the Lugansk region. After that battle I set down and became aware of a very frightening thing. I realized that the enemy would not stop, that it would go on. However, looking at those people, who tried to kill me just half an hour before, I saw them as the same young guys, 25 year old, perhaps a bit older than my own son, and I was horrified by the thought that they were also Slavs. Then I realized who we fight against. The horror was in the fact that it was possible to fool those people, to dope them in such a way. That was a horrible feeling indeed. To be frank, I pitied them.
– You wore a T-shirt to one of the press-conferences with the quote “Oplot [“Stronghold” – the name of a People’s Militia unit, headed by Zakharchenko] — live keenly”. What does “living keenly” mean? Where does the Force lie, bro?
— It lies in the Truth. First of all, “living keenly” is the way every male should live. You see, one cannot be half-way pregnant or be a semi-male. A man should live keenly. Not in the sense that a man should be a muscle-bound person – he should have a masculine backbone. If a person has a backbone – not only a man, but a woman as well — they’ve got stamina. The stamina is more important that physical strength, because the stamina breaks every barrier. Physical strength has a definite limit, and stamina is limitless. This limitless force is life itself. Only the force should be righteous.
– In Shakhtersk you united the units into a single army. Many people claim that it was in Shakhtersk (and not in Snezhnoye, e.g.) that you experienced certain upheaval: you encouraged the militiamen and inspired them in fighting… What happened then?
— It was a critical point there in Shakhtersk at the time. After the enemy captured the town of Slavyansk, Shakhtersk became the stronghold we could not afford losing. If we did lose the town of Shakhtersk and were not able to recapture it at once, there would have never existed any Donetsk People’s Republic as such. The enemy had amassed the critical force, having pulled up all the reserves, everything they could consolidate. In the first days of Shakhtersk defence the enemy outnumbered us tenfold. Under such circumstances we had just to make the people see that there are moments, when one’s goal in life should be nothing more, but gaining freedom. Even by your death you are fighting for life. That is, by your death you are changing the course of life. That was why I had to stand upright, not to duck the enemy’s fire, walk in between the trenches. Thing is, when the guys see that the commander walks upright and does not duck, they begin to follow his example. Each of them finds the courage in their souls that had to surface. It was then when I woke up the courage in them that they are displaying now. It had to be done, although I had been scared myself.
– Who do you consider your enemies?
— If you mean those Ukrainian soldiers that are on the other side of the front – they are mere children. Each time I talk to captives, I can watch them arriving at understanding of real state of things here in the course of 2-3 days and changing their point of view. The real enemies are the castigators, who attacked our land, the mercenaries, the United States of America that provoked the conflict in Ukraine and the corrupt scum that bears the name of Ukrainian authorities.
– And what do the captives generally tell?
— They tell that they thought only apes lived here, that the city is in ruins, and we are robbing the last remaining civilians amidst the rabble. They thought there were Russian soldiers, terrorists, half-drunk “padded jackets” and “Colorado beetles” here… Nevertheless, when they see a beautiful city, which is tidied up, in which people stroll along the streets and children are playing their outlook changes. Although, you know, there is another problem: when they send them here, they are told they’d be given a mine and 50 slaves here. This is what they are coming here for. They crave land and slaves.
– Just in several hundred meter distance from the front line people are still living. Entire families refuse to abandon their homes.
— In order for you to understand, I should say that the mentality of my countrymen is quite different. Margaret Thatcher once said that the psychology of a miner is similar to the psychology of a soldier. They both constantly risk their lives. The feeling is adherent to these people. Imagine that I left for a mine this morning – it can happen so that I will fail to come back. You know everything about gas blasts. The recent one was in the Zasyadko mine. Our women and children also see things in a somewhat different light. We are a bit different. Kuzbass (coal mine basin in Siberia) dwellers will understand us, sailors will understand us. That is, the people who realize that death is only in one-step distance from them. Only one wave, one blast and one bullet separate their life from the end. They are soldiers deep down. And this psychology will not even let them leave their homes.
– According to the last reports from the front line, Ukraine is trying to wreck the Minsk Agreement. Can you list the provisions of the accord that are being violated by Kiev? What is the goal that Ukrainian authorities pursue by such actions?
— Ukraine is not trying, it is wrecking. All the provisions are being violated: the ceasefire regime, the withdrawal of heavy artillery, economic issues, political issues. In fact, the Minsk Agreement in the form, in which it was signed by Poroshenko, was meant for the curbing of our offensive. That is, he tried to transfer the conflict from the military context to the political dimension in order to freeze it, to increase the personnel, to train and arm it, etc. At the moment the process is nearing completion. They have consolidated forces, thus, they no longer need the Minsk Agreement. Provocations are going to occur again and again. Eventually they will grow into full-scale hostilities. Until the moment when we trap them into the next pocket, Kiev will not recognize any Minsk agreements.
– According to your instinct, when will the full-scale hostilities start?
— I as the head of state have access to all the intelligence data we’ve got, and I should say they can start any moment. The forces and means they have consolidated allow them to carry out operational tactic tasks, though not the strategic ones, of course, and start actions any moment. That was proved by the Maryinka events. No one expected them to start an offensive that night. We got ready for it, we carried out a developing attack. Nevertheless we did not expect such a full-scale assault. In the course of four days before it they tried to find our soft spots and carry out developing attacks. We got ready. We consolidated the forces necessary to rebuff the enemy at all times. In my opinion, we defended out territory with flying colours. We wrecked the enemy’s offensive.
– Has the Novorossiya project been frozen or not? Certain politicians consider Donetsk and Lugansk parts of Ukraine, and that the followers of Novorossiya idea will try to reach their goal with the help of a constitutional reform in Ukraine. What is behind such claims, in your opinion?
— We are looking forward the implementation of this project and we will keep on doing this. Those who make such claims have the right to their own vision. You should realize that we are building this project with our own hands and paying for it with our own blood, in contrast to those people, who claim that it was frozen, terminated or whatever. For us it is one of the main goals we are fighting for. I will not tell you right now what it should look like. I will not go into the details of our vision, or speculate about abstract notions. I know that it ought to exist and it will exist. Everything else will become clear eventually, and we will talk it over once this Novorossiya comes into existence. We will discuss the territories it will include, the plans it will implement and what issues it will tackle in political context.
– Is Novorossiya possible in composition of Ukraine?
— No. I am puzzled by the ability of journalists to snatch quotes out of their context. It is evident that there are politicians who are entitled to certain statements and those, who are not entitled to any. I will not tell you whether I am entitled to anything. I will say the following: I do not see either myself or my side of the conflict in composition of Ukraine, as well as in composition of any other country. I see us as equal partners. Yes, I see us as good neigbours or simply neigbours. Yes, I see Novorossiya as a strong state, but I do not see Novorossiya in composition of Ukraine. That is, Novorossiya can exist as a transformed Ukraine. It surely can. I am one hundred per cent sure that what had happened in Donetsk can any moment burst out in Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov, Mukachevo [Transcarpathian region of Ukraine]. They have already proclaimed themselves the Mikachevo People’s Republic. Pay attention to what is going on in Lviv. The way we will communicate with these republics, the agreements we will make with them is a matter for the future. Nevertheless, sooner or later it will happen. Ukraine as a state is at the end of its resource, and it became clear after the first air raids on Donetsk and Lugansk. Everything that followed was the agony of the statehood. A new state is being born right now – a fruit of this agony, this death of the old system. What it will be like depends on us only. However, by that moment we should be ready; we should have a strong army, well trained and hardened in battles.”
Aleksandr Zakharchenko was interviewed by Darina Yevtushenko
Thanks for this interview.
Rostislav Ishchenko: Now this is the way to do political polemic “lite”: effectively with grace and humor. FDR in WWII decided to put the “Negro question” on the back burner –surely a politically expedient and morally wrong thing to do. But ,and this is the big “but” of history, he had to hold together everyone under his leadership to fight a bigger battle. There is a time for everything. Yes, timing is key.
I gather that the clever Kremlin has a Cunning Plan that must not be disclosed or even hinted at, for then “even the pig will know” — and laugh.
This much-treasured plan consists in waiting for the Ukraine to “collapse”. The word means that the country will become gradually more and more depopulated, as forced emigration and mortality rates climb through the roof, all of which creates favoravle conditions to convert it into a big military base and farming fields.
The only humorous aspect of this pieceof propaganda, is that the author, Mr Ishchenko, unwittingly confirms the very first fact that he ridicules at the beginning: that people of the Donbass are indeed 3rd or 4th or 7th rate Russians, therefore enduring misery, murder and shelling for a year or 3 is no big deal.
Mr Anonimous here is definitely not impressed.
http://slavyangrad.org/2015/06/17/quit-mumbling/
people in Donbass unhappy for the shelling.
Well, then now there is no longer 5th column?
Then why have we been here talking about her and the Atlanticists in the Kremlin for ages?
I have not but to agree with Paul II and tell you friends that yes, frankly, today, have you put all the glasses with rose-colored glasses.
Let’s see, that Putin is supposed goodwill is obvious, which is very smart, as well. That his closest associates ( the two Ivanovs, Shoigu, Patrushev, Bortnikov, well, these are what I think they’re reliable ) are working together with him trying to lift their country and prevent a global conflict, it is also obvious.
But at least for current and ordinary citizens like me ( those who are perhaps not as smart as some who write here, nor we are intelligence analysts or anything like this, let alone those among these who besides do not know Russian, or live in Russia, nor we hear reports from the FSB, GRU, etc …) everything is not so obvious as to some here and indeed confusing and contradictory ( maybe that is the purpose?) for such is the order of the dumped information here.
Because, after reading this article today, what about the vast and documented work of our comrade in arms, Scott ( yes,that from the SITREPS ) on the fifth column in the Kremlin?
I remember that there was also Surkov ( well, the thing is that he is even in the soup ) and is a somewhat sinister kind, no one can deny me.
I have to admit that although I do not like him for what he says Strelkov, when I saw that episode of the American Embassy, where those treacherous blondes complained about the presence of the press there as Surkov Propaganda, a few points he earned with me. But, if he is also astrologically much like me, come on, it is that we are almost twins ( only astrologically, I have not those eyebrows ….)
If I ever find that, really, he is the guy of confidence of V.V.Putin and is doing a great job for the Russians and for world peace, I am willing to apologize and take something with him.
About Strelkov, I will never contribute to the overall peeling about this man, however much mistake he makes, even if he is wrong ( which from here I do not know) as a fighter in the Donbass has my respect, and won the respect from the militia. Because, perhaps, is there anyone who is never wrong? Is there anyone perfect? Was not my admired Stalin also wrong?
In my years of life, which are not so few, I never found anyone perfect, yes I have found people who thought of themselves very smart and infallible, but ultimately, as all, had gaps and mistakes like others.
I would love to believe that Putin is going to save the world, come on, sometimes, I think, but also, sometimes, I doubt.
Maybe it’s because I am a woman of little faith, little faith in gods and less in men.
It would be great if at least he save Russia and Novorussia.
THOSE WHO WOULD TROLL (NOVO)RUSSIA
It’s what Rotislav Ishchenko does in this article. Mr. Ishchenko is another of those so clever geopolitical analysts who keeps on explaining all the time how the world really works to us, poor folks watching in horror the bombs dropping, and to them, poor folks in horror receiving the bombs.
Mr. Ishchenko is kindly invited to take residence in Donetsk. After bearing a year of indiscriminate shelling, we are sure his remarks about the situation would not be so witty and nonchalant. Ten thousands civilians have been massacred in the Donbass (and millions displaced) and they are being bombed and massacred to this very hour. They would not be, if not for Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, very clever agreements which everybody knew would not be implemented and just for this, clever analysts like Mr. Ishchenko continue to explain us, needed to be signed (thwarting in both cases the momentum of Novorussian counteroffensive) in a hurry. Very urgently, lest the administrative borders of the republics could be made secure or their major cities taken out of artillery range, I suppose.
Once and for all, Mr. Ishchenko: we also know how the world works, analysis centers included!
The only difference is that we don’t like it one bit!!!
P.S. About fifth columns….. to see a thing, you must be outside of it (and have capable eyes).
@Bianca
Know exactly how you feel – with the renewal of hostilities, the killings (a seventy-seven year old woman and her daughter shot in the head by junta scum – soldiers?gimme a break – for their support for the militia), the houses being shelled..it is incredibly hard to maintain any faith in the Minsk agreement.
The constant violations, almost as soon as the ink was dry by the UAF, and the total disregard by the media – although that is now changing.
So I go back to my old ‘insight’ – that without Minsk, even if it is little more than a piece of paper as far as the victims are concerned – it would be worse. The junta is determined in it’s assault on Donbass. It’s military is made up of ruthless mercenaries, fascists and opportunists from the petty criminal class seeking self-enrichment (a mine and 50 slaves was promised to some of these semi-literates..)
NATO is pushing, has been all along, for escalation. So is Kiev – it’s lookin for money from it’s US backers who want the pretext for that 444billion defense budget from open Russian entry into the conflict…so much is against any kind of ceasefire at all, much less peace. The opponents just do not want it.
That’s why Zak has to confine the situation to defense, and avoid offense. An escalation would result in infinitely greater civilian casualties. Noone would be spared – the UAF is not a regular standing B
army, it even now has ISIL veterans. ..can you imagine the situation without at least the ‘check’ of Minsk?
So hold onto that. Controlled conflict has to be better thaw wholesale slaughter. That’s the primary function of Minsk.
BHL. He of the billowing white shirts, fearlessly riding his camel across the sands of Araby in pursuit of tribal wars..was there ever a greater buffoon in the buffoon-bedecked annals of French colonial adventurism?
I used to think he was merely the kind of Mc Academic pseud the French specialise in.
Then came Kosovo..then Libya..and I realised, to my horror, this moron influences POLICY.
The kind of policy that results in massacres, pillage, mass-displacement of long-extant peoples. A prime example of vanity turned lethal.
Think Idi Amin – minus the melanin and steroids.
Hideous.
Brilliant and useful article!
James Forrestal saw, at least at the end of life, communists under his bed.
Today many see all the time, from birth to death, Rothschilds and oligarchs.
Thanks Saker, thanks Rostislav Ishchenko, thanks Gideon.
Wonderful.
I loved the round about thing regarding “Field Marshal”, but I refuse to accept the notion that “Field Marshal” did what he did without his “boss’s” “prikaz”. When his job was done he was ordered back, so he quickly went back, even though he did not think that his job was completed.
His job was to leave things boiling.