Several Serbian commentators have expressed their concern, if not outright worry, about what is happening right now in Novorossia. I have to admit that I now share that concern. While I am not Serbian myself, some of the longtime readers of that blog know that I have had the opportunity to follow the entire war in Bosnia and Croatia literally minute by minute while working for the UN far away from Yugoslavia, but with daily access to UNPROFOR reports and with the possibility to debrief any UNPROFOR officers including two Force Commanders. For me this war will forever feel ‘raw’ because that was the event which really opened my eyes to the nature of the so-called “free and democratic West” and which, combined with the war in Chechnia, eventually cost me my career. I will thus readily admit that I might be over-reacting. In fact, my brain tells me one thing, but my gut tells me another and as a result I am feeling a very unpleasant but persistent feeling of alarm.
It all began when I finally listened to the full inauguration speech of Poroshenko. Up to that moment, I had some hopes that while even though this would be difficult, some kind of reasonable beginning of some kind of peace process could be negotiated with the man. I knew that the guy was an unprincipled prostitute, but it was precisely that “quality” which made me cautiously hopeful: better a rational prostitute that a crazed lunatic, right?
Listening to him I understood that in this case Poroshenko was completely bought by the USA and that vague European effort to negotiate something had be summarily tossed out into the trash bin. As I wrote in a previous post, his message to Novorossia and Russia was as simple as it was blunt:
- No federalization
- No state status for the Russian language
- No recognition of the Novorossian political leadership
- Full and unconditional surrender of the Novorossian Defense Forces
- Crimea will forever belong to the Ukraine
So this was Poroshenko’s “peace plan”. In fact, Juan was absolutely right: it was a declaration of war combined with an ultimatum demanding a total and unconditional surrender. The fingerprints of Uncle Sam were all over the place. I was appalled by the lunacy of this “peace plan” but soon my disgust turned into horror when I saw the Russian reaction.
Instead of walking out from this zoo (Poroshenko got US-style standing ovations at each of the worst of his statement), the Russian ambassador just sat there. The Ministry of Foreign affairs did not comment either. As for the Russian media, it did summarize the event, but most of its attention was focused on the latest kidnapping of yet another two Russian journalists and on the floods around Barnaul in Russia. As for Putin, he announced that the had ordered the FSB to close down the section of the border which had been liberated by the NDF to prevent “the passage of illegal groups”.
Not good. Not good at all. And it did remind me of Bosnia.
Quick flashback: the Bosnian Serbs had basically won the war and defeated both the Bosnian-Croats and their supporters in Croatia and the Bosnian-Muslims and their supporters from the Muslim world. And yet they had to do that in spite of Milosevic who had agreed to cooperate with the AngloZionist by participating in the Empire’s blockade of the Bosnian-Serb even though he knew full well that the Croats were getting convoys full of weapons, ammo and supplies from Croatia and that the Muslims were getting the same courtesy of the US and Turkish Air Forces. Milosevic sold out his own people against a promise to be allowed to rule over Serbia and Montenegro. That promise was eventually broken (most AngloZionist “promises” are), but at that time he thought he could negotiate with the devil. He then sold out the Serbs of Kosovo (the craddle of Serbia no less than Kiev is the craddle of Russia). That he then died poisoned in the Hague is hardly a consolation to me.
Now, as a good friend told me: Putin is not Milosevic and, besides, if Putin caves in now he would be committing political suicide. I agree. Or, should I say, my brain agrees. My gut is in full “red alert” mode and I have been walking with a knot in my stomach since 2 days now. Here is why,
First, I don’t think that Putin can simply pretend not to have noticed Poroshenko’s absolutely insane speech. What a candidate says is, indeed, not very relevant, but an inaugural speech is really a totally different matter: it is, by definition, a *program speech* which outlines the goals of the new President.
Second, what is happening now in Slaviansk, Kramatorsk and the rest of Novorossia is a humanitarian catastrophe and Putin has promised to prevent that.
Third, Russia’s careful and non-provocative stance is gradually being interpreted by the western media as a sign of weakness and this perception might be, in part, the cause for the escalation in both atrocities by the regime in Kiev and of the increasingly arrogant anti-Russian rhetoric of Western politicians.
I am most definitely not an admirer of Dugin, but he recently said something which I fully agree with: he said that the future of the planet is being decided in Slaviansk, Kramatorsk, Krasnyi Liman and the rest of Novorossia because the outcome of this battle will decide whether Russia can stand her ground against AngloZionist Empire and thereby initiate the liberation of the rest of the world or whether Russia will basically cave in. I fully agree with him. It is not an exaggeration to say that the future of the planet is being decided right now in Novorossia.
This is why I have a knot in my stomach. So far, I am most definitely not seeing the kind of reaction Poroshenko’s speech deserves. And it is not just words, like some say. The day of Poroshenko’s inauguration saw a violent increase in artillery strikes on Novorossia and an attack on a high level Novorussian official. Today – a Ukie artillery shell hit a church were the faithful were assembled for the feast of the Pentecost.
Putin has promised the Russian people (in Russia proper and outside) that he would not allow massive atrocities to take place against the population of Novorossia. They are clearly happening now. As for the “new” regime in Kiev, it is every bit as Nazi as the worst Right Sector lunatic would want. Uncle Sam has basically crushed every EU attempt at a negotiated outcome. This is most definitely not Putin’s fault or the fault of the poor people of Novorossiia, but there can me no more hope for a reasonable negotiated settlement.
Russia has to act now and used her armed forces to liberate Novorossia. Not to do so would be a betrayal of the Russian people.
My brain tells me that Putin will give the order to do so very soon. But the memories of Bosnia haunt me. So far Putin’s track record is excellent, pretty close to perfect. But for all my support for his policies, I never *trusted* him, at least not fully. Honestly, I cannot image what will happen if he does not give the order to move in because if he fails to do so he would be giving up on the entire strategic plan of what I call the Eurasian Sovereignists to “resovereignize” Russia and liberate her from the AngloZionist Empire. I cannot and do not want to believe that 14 years of struggle involving a great deal of dangers and, at times, truly superhuman efforts will now go to waste. And yet I have this knot sitting there inside my gut and that knot gets worse and worse with each lame and vapid statement coming out of the Kremlin.
The US is hell-bent on war with Russia and the EU has completely sold out. Nothing new here, the European elites *always* joined in what I call a “Ecumenical anti-Russian coalition” with the SOB of the day against Russia: they did so when the Papacy launched a crusade on Orthodoxy, they did so under Napoleon, they did so during the Crimean War and they did so during the Third Reich. So now that Eurotrash is on the side of Uncle Shmuel (a more accurate name for Uncle Sam, don’t you think?). What else is new?
This latest war might not be a “hot” one (although I really would not put anything past the AngloZionsit 1%ers), but it sure will be total and merciless anyhow. And there is only one way to put and end to this: the Russian bear must bare his fangs, make an example with the Ukie Nazis and show these European imbeciles that Russia means business.
So please tell me that I am wrong and that when push comes to shove Putin will have willpower and courage to stand his ground against what I can only call a satanic coalition of the most evil ideologies and people I can think of. I fully supported Russia’s non-intervention right up until Saturday and Poroshenko’s speech, but that policy has been taken to its limits and, to my immense regret, it has failed, primarily due to the truly unbelievable cowardice and immorality of the European political leaders (may they all rot in hell for selling out their own people the way they did it!). It makes no sense to hope for a last minute miracle: those accursed EU bureaucrats did not find even a atom of dignity or decency inside themselves and as a result a full-scale Cold War v2 in Europe is now inevitable (the Bulgarians pushed their treachery one step beyond and under orders from MCCain agreed to stop the work on South Stream).
My brain tells me that Putin will give the order. Soon.
But I have that horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach.
Please tell me that Putin is not Milosevic.
Please tell me my worst fears will not come true.
The Saker
“Putin should declare that due to the circumstances in Ukraine and the forced drafting under threat to the draftees’ and their family’s lives in what Putin considers a war crime, Russia will now welcome those draftees and their close family members if they refuse to follow the criminal order to act against the civilian population, “thus sparing the life of the soldier and the civilians they are sent to kill”.
08 June, 2014 23:26
This would be a masterstroke. Of course EuroMaidanPR would insist that there are no deserters and that any who show up on Russian TV are fakes, just like they’re insanely trying to insist even against the reports of less insane UKR journos like Maxim Evristavi that 12,000+ people have fled the fighting in Novorossiya, the majority to Russia/Crimea not the rest of Ukraine!
As I advocate in the newest thread, Putin should go to the UN and give a speech telling the whole world what Kiev is doing in the SE Ukraine is a war crime and calling for sanctions against…UKRAINIAN LEADERS. Turn the tables a bit and watch the DC fascists howl. Say something to the effect that Russia does not want to intervene directly in Ukraine but Russia cannot possibly be asked to ignore the suffering and misery caused by so much violence on its doorstep, literally within a 100 kilometers of her borders.
American Kulak
“Putin should declare that due to the circumstances in Ukraine and the forced drafting under threat to the draftees’ and their family’s lives in what Putin considers a war crime, Russia will now welcome those draftees and their close family members if they refuse to follow the criminal order to act against the civilian population, “thus sparing the life of the soldier and the civilians they are sent to kill”.
08 June, 2014 23:26
This would be a masterstroke. Of course EuroMaidanPR would insist that there are no deserters and that any who show up on Russian TV are fakes, just like they’re insanely trying to insist even against the reports of less insane UKR journos like Maxim Evristavi that 12,000+ people have fled the fighting in Novorossiya, the majority to Russia/Crimea not the rest of Ukraine!
As I advocate in the newest thread, Putin should go to the UN and give a speech telling the whole world what Kiev is doing in the SE Ukraine is a war crime and calling for sanctions against…UKRAINIAN LEADERS. Turn the tables a bit and watch the DC fascists howl. Say something to the effect that Russia does not want to intervene directly in Ukraine but Russia cannot possibly be asked to ignore the suffering and misery caused by so much violence on its doorstep, literally within a 100 kilometers of her borders.
Russia to her admirers’ great frustration has so often stumbled clumsily into the traps laid for her. Putin delaying a response for now is not discouraging me but encouraging me that VVP sees the trap of ‘invasion or capitulation to the Kiev fascists’ and is furiously devising ways to avoid stepping into it. One way not to is to turn the West’s rhetoric about human rights and R2P against them, BEFORE invading!
American Kulak
@mulga mumlebrains:
“the non-existent Tian An Men ‘massacre'”
What are you talking about here? What are you suggesting?
IMHO, I believe after what we saw in Syria, Russia will go all the way, the problem is the pro-Western part of Russia’s elite (directing the economic policy) which is huge and which needed to be cleansed long ago, now is the time.
A ground intervention would be a mistake I believe, something like the non-acknowledged airstrikes of the Israelis on Sudan or Syria and elsewhere in the Middle-East would be the best, hit the Ukr army and militias VERY hard and deny everything. If the Israelis can do it, Russia can too.
I was in Viet Nam working as a civilian refugee aid worker (and some other interesting things. I got to watch the defeat of the Americans at ground level. This was the only actual defeat of the West, and by a tiny, desperately poor country that lost ten times as many soldiers as the West and millions of its citizens in a depraved attack that expended more munitions than used in the entire of WWII. Hopefully the Russians were watching how this was done. So far the Nazis are following the same script as the illegitimate government of South Viet Nam. With a pours border asymmetrical combat can make mince meat of the Nazis. Nothing is ever what it seems with this sort of war. The chocolate covered psychopath in Kiev has reason to fear the National Guard crazies. In many ways the problem could be solved, for both sides by setting up the Guard for extermination after the East’s civilians have fled to Russia as refugees.
Ya never know, they might just ask some of the Vietnamese Veterans to advise them.
herb
The USA’s economy is in ruins, unemployment is now permanently high and will only rise.
The US has no bright future to look forward to, only civil unrest.
The ecosystem of the Pacific coast is being poisoned by the Fukushima nuclear meltdown.
It also has the largest military in the history of the world, and this may be its last chance to employ that advantage.
I can only say this….if Russia prevails…you will have the raise of “BRICS”….which will mean the collapse of the Ruling West”….if the West prevails you will have the end of “BRICS” and everything that is positive and hopeful….you will have the complete enslavement for all of the worlds popuation…and i dont for as second think that Putin will stand back and let that happen…not for a second!!!! it may ….and probably will bring on the 3rd. world war….so be it….no loss to the Universe!!!! but he is not a person that turns his back….on Russia or himself…the West is Evil….Dark….and at its End….do not Fear….Putin is not Alone….nor will he act Alone….what ever happens next….is what should happen….this is a struggle between Darkness and the Light….i am not a religious person…its more that the progression of Human history has now reached a point of either sinking or swimming….we cannot continue down this same road without some change….500 years give or take is enough….dont be afraid!!!!
russian foreign minister Lavrov should do a daily press conference in English describng exactly what is happening as a counterweight to MSM propaganda, maybe even do a speaking tour of the US and Europe.
Putin has to start taking lessons from the US empire.
Car bombs in Kiev, mysterious deaths in the Saudi royal family, “mercenaries” and equipment to E. Ukraine, secret financial support for the National Front, the NDP, and Golden Dawn, outing EU corruption, military advisers to Syria, but most of all, money and arms to the American militia movement. It’s time to take the war to the beast, who has no honor and no scruples.
There are millions in the “West” who would welcome such actions — and open a front in the enemy’s rear.
-Armenian Catholic
Dear Saker –
I don’t know what Putin has in mind, but I do know that the crazies in the Pentagon want a nuclear war because they economy in United States is failing. The 217,000 new jobs weren’t really there according to Paul Craig Roberts, and he should know, having been an assistant treasury secretary under Reagan. He says that all the announcements about the economy coming back are just so much hot air. So the Empire needs a war, to distract the people, or should I call them sheeple, since they don’t think too much anymore.
Like you, I haven’t had a not like this in my case, since the Iraq war, or should I call it the invasion of Iraq. But I don’t think Russia can just intervened this time because they are trying to sucker into a nuclear war. There is enough crazies in the government that are willing to trade millions of American deaths to get rid of Russia once and for all. And until we all face this fact, that Europeans and Americans are expendable to these filth that run our governments, we will never be able to face what we have to do.
As much as I hate to say it, what Putin may be looking at now, is balancing the lives of Novorossia against the billions that will be killed in the event of a nuclear war. Is he playing for time? I think it’s highly possible. After all, I don’t think there is one military strategist that will tell you to go to war unless you have a chance to beat the holy crap out of the son of a bitch you are facing. I don’t usually use words like this but now you can see just what’s in my heart, too. I’m crying as I write this, and know that Russia has to rearm fully before facing NATO. What’s happening now is going to take the utmost discipline at the same time that the heart is probably breaking at every death. We don’t need Russia committing suicide, we need Russia to rearm to where she can put a stop to this, once and for all. In the meantime, the satanic West is being exposed for what it is–a rapacious, murdering, beast from a sea of peoples. The West still follows the policy laid out in the Grand Chessboard, and well until it’s overthrown, once and for all. In the meantime, we must try to alert our neighbors and whoever will listen to us about the travesties being committed in our name. Sorry for such a long post, Saker, but I guess you can see how angry I am, and how upset. More than ever, we need to play for time to respond with the utmost strength.
God bless,
Terrific article. Absolutely right on. You have seen to the heart of the matter. Putin will now show what he really is. He will be revealed. This is indeed the fate of the planet. Thanks for your sharp wisdom. The truth gives me faith.
Is there any way to get a message to Putin? Maybe he has suffered a personal threat so deep, he is unable to go forward. I fear the same way you do. Novorossiya is the front line of the battle for the whole planet. God save us. Pray for Putin’s strength.
@Shelia Cassidy:Sorry for such a long post, Saker, but I guess you can see how angry I am, and how upset. More than ever, we need to play for time to respond with the utmost strength.
Dear Sheila, I could hardly blame you for your anger when I am myself seething in rage over it all :-) In fact, I thank you for your anger as it makes me feel less lonely. And I agree with your advice that we need to play for time, but I am torn because I also feel that the people of Novorossia don’t have that time any more. When there was a weird, slow and, frankly, pathetic little war taking place I could wait, but now that multiple rocket launchers and cluster bombs are used on civilians I feel very reluctant to play for more time. I agree, its a hard and tragic call, but at the very least I think that the Ukie forces in the Donbass who are directly responsible for these massacres deserve some karmic retribution. That would send a signal to the others and show the locals that they have not been abandoned or forgotten.
Kind regards,
The Saker
To the Saker
Take to the air, fly high, soar and open your eyes. This is not Serbia. Covert aid has not been used to any significant degree. Covert recruitment has not even been tried.
If the US could covertly recruit and transport a minimum of 10,000 Tunisians, 15,000 Libyans, 5000 Saudis 20,000 Iraqis, 25,000 MEK, plus an assortment of other crazies to fight in Syria – then certainly some good men can be found to defend legitimate homeland issues.
There will be no invasion – yet.
Afghanistan taught one invaluable lesson being used wisely right now. A standing army invasion invites polarization against it, invites covert outside funded action against it, invites international action against it.
Yes the world is watching. The people of Novorussia have yet to take a stand. They have weapons, but the locals still have not shown up in any significant numbers. Perhaps Poroshenko’s speech will help with that. Until they do, open involvement is out of the question.
But let’s remember, there are many many options by which He can achieve his goals.
Putin not walking out allows him to take the measure of those men. While it creates the impression you fear, it also gives him far more options that will later be a surprise.
Putin walking out lets them take the measure of Putin -enables them to predict and prepare.
I said to a friend a while back. What Putin says he will do, he will do. That is a trait that in international politics is a profound political weakness. So in important situations, Putin acts first and speaks later. It is best he did not speak. Let’s wait to see his actions. I believe we can wait with hope and I believe that we will be surprised.
Hi,
Milosevic never really turned his back on us (Bosnian Serbs). He did impose some kind of sanctions, that of course were only for media, but we had enough weapons and almost all of our men were mobilized. Borders to Serbia were under our control and we could cross them whenever we wanted. But the situation was different, because we use to have mandatory army service at the time, so most of people had basic knowledge of weapons and military strategy. Our general Ratko Mladic was extremely skilled and he organized people impeccably. And plus they simultaneously started with military operations in all cities that were planned to be in Rep. Srpska and connected those areas pretty fast. Bos. and Cro. forces were stretched from west east to south of Bosnia, Serbs kind of circled them and they simply didn’t have enough people to cover front lines. Some cities were completely safe because the artillery couldn’t reach them, which lowered our dependence form Serbia. Our refugees were sent in those areas instead to Serbia, so the civilians had a chance to work and help army in some way. In negotiations, we lost 25 ish% of our territory, again thanks to firm attitude of president Karadzic and general Mladic, Milosevic wouldn’t dare to contradict them too much. We do have Republic of Srpska now as part of Bosnia, but only because there was no way for us to step back. Milosevic gave away Rep. Srpska Krajina (now part of Croatia where Serbs don’t exist anymore) but they unfortunately depended on Serbia too much, and I think Milosevic was afraid of Mladic, so he didn’t sell us out. Of course Milosevic was doing what he thought was right, he had no back up, Russia was on its knees and the whole world was against us, he wasn’t a traitor, just naïve as Putin is now and it was important to save lives, they would kill all of us if they could, we just couldn’t imagine that people like that exist and he was being politician trying to negotiate, but there is no negotiation with them they will break every deal.
Whereas in Novorussia they have relatively small area under control, so Ukr.army is concentrated on that area only. My opinion is, if they made corridors from Kharkov to Odessa and formed separation lines Ukr. wouldn’t stand a chance. But that’s where the problem of simultaneous organization and unified command is emerging and of course untrained civilians. We expected Russia to organize people of east and south just in case, during protests. Right know It think, that only direct intervention would bring results, because they are too afraid of Russian forces and they would just flee. Any undercover organization would cost too many lives. It’s doable, but why waste peoples’ lives? Russians will get sanctions whatever they do, Putin will be marked as dictator whatever he does. I have no idea why they are bothering with them seriously, they can do whatever they want no one would go to war against Russia, Nato was afraid to enter Serbia let alone Russia.
Best,
@Anonymous:Milosevic never really turned his back on us (Bosnian Serbs).
I disagree. That he failed at it is no credit of his, but the result of the refusal of a huge amount of Serbs to obey his criminal orders. And yes, he was afraid of Mladic. And not only of Mladic. So the blockade never worked, but he tried. As you mention, he gave up on the Serbian UNPAs in the Krajina but, frankly, it was harder for him to act there. But then he did betray the Serbs of Kosovo. He is definitely an unprincipled sellout, imho.
Kind regards,
The Saker
@Les:
The people of Novorussia have yet to take a stand. They have weapons, but the locals still have not shown up in any significant numbers.
Yes. This.
I was hoping to hear in Strelkov’s recent statement some indication that the numbers of the insurgency were growing significantly, but could find no such assurance (did I miss something?). Without this essential first step, what good reason does Putin have to take overt military action?
@ 09 June, 2014 00:23
“money and arms to the American militia movement” NO NO NO. This would be the DC fascist’s wet dream and would finally give the DHStapo the perfect pretext to start rounding up patriot movement leaders under ND double A as they’ve been planning to do for years. Meaning either everyone in the Patriot/III% movement suddenly is found to have child porn on their computers, has ‘heart attacks’ car accidents, or simply gets arrested and gagged like what would’ve happened to Snowden had he ‘faced the music’. All of this fascist police state crackdown could be carried out to the cheers of the fake Left like the Southern Poverty [Pimp] Law Center, Bob Cesca & the NSA groupie Obamabots at the Daily Banter, PMSNBC, [Billary] Clinton News Network, and all their other propaganda mouthpieces. No. Hell no. The Patriot movement does not need an ounce of foreign support, it only needs more Americans to wake up and start prepping. All the guns and ammo in the world is damned useless unless people can FEED THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES when SHTF. Prepping and learning practical surival skills is 10 x more important in this sense than marksmanship. Save all that Rambo guerilla army of one horsecrap for the keyboard commandos (I hope you hear me Nora and realize I’m not one of those idiots)!
As I mentioned with links in a previous thread, the feds’ propaganda trolls online are already trying to fabricate a vast Kremlin conspiracy to help America’s ‘neo-Confederate insurrectionist’ ‘bitter clingers’ by the mere act of Russian Tula works/arms manufacturers making good money off the U.S. civilian arms market.
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2014/03/the-problem-with-the-pauls/
NY Young Republican Club: testing ground for fake Right CIA sock puppetry against Patriots/Ron Paul supporters
http://nyyrc.com/blog/2014/04/russias-secessionist-strategy-exposed/
The Golden Dawn IMO are controlled oppo fascist riff raff who, unlike Jobbik or France’s FN, cannot shed extremism and become non-fascist Euroskeptic/Gaullist parties that millions can actually vote for. Greece badly needs some sort of fusionist or even neo-monarchist party that can bring in people from its still strong Left as well as disillusioned Orthodox believers from the ‘Right’ who recognize Golden Dawn for what it is — fake opposition that tricks Orthodox into supporting a party whose very name invokes the Occult. GD is designed to give the EUrocrats and NATO an excuse to pull a Prague Spring 68′ style crackdown and roll paratroopers into Athens should the Greek people finally revolt and demand their drachmae back! Ditto if a Greek government even thinks about offering Russia or China long term port leases!
http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/162864-us-plans-strike-russia/
Remember as RT’s Truthseeker show reported recently NATO has secret agreements between intelligence services and militaries to overthrow ANY government that steps too far out of line, and at the height of the Cold War during the 1950s and into the early 60s Wehrmacht veterans maintained kill lists of Socialists to murder who they thought would have to be eliminated before they could collaborate with the invading Red Army. Such are the roots of ‘Gladio’ aka the NATO Deep State.
American Kulak
Hi, Saker, Bloomberg reports the following: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-06-07/poroshenko-sworn-in-as-ukraine-s-president
“Ukraine’s new leader, Petro Poroshenko, has agreed to start talks with an envoy of Russian President Vladimir Putin about ending separatist violence in the former Soviet republic’s easternmost regions.”
If the bandera fascists are going to come and take all the males 18-40 and shoot them through the head in the forest, then it’s better to run to the east and join the resistance so thatt you at least have a chance at survivial.
@VINEYARDSAKER
You surely are keenly followed by many of us Serbians … including in Serbian language, translated in part or in full. Check, for instance http://ruskarec.ru/news/2014/06/07/putin_naredio_da_se_pojaca_kontrola_na_granici_sa_ukrajinom_31189.html (etc., etc…)
The time for Putin to act in Новороссия is now.
American Kulak,
I do. And yes, absolutely, right now the issue isn’t guns, it’s food — and buying seeds isn’t enough either, you’ve got to learn how to grow and *preserve* your food. Because you’re more than likely going to need it This. Winter.
But please, I really am eager to hear your response to what I said on the other post! We. Really. Need. To. Talk. (Okay, I am a woman so here I am saying that… ;~) But still — our two sides could really get something done if we started working together — we do have the same enemies, you know, and we would have the power of numbers if we started fighting together for the same things, instead of sniping at each other. There’s a lot of power in that, American Kulak, and we’re just wasting it.
USA have four goals: 1. Extend the encirclement of Russia to get the missile shield effective. 2. To justify increased spending in the high tech defense industry they need another superpower as an enemy. 3. USA want to keep the energy prices high to protect its fracking industry and LNG producers. The price of oil and gas is on the verge of collapsing because of the enormous investment in development of new fields in the last 15 years. The smart way to solve this problem is to get Russian oil and gas banned from the European market. 5. Ukrainian style regime change in Russia.
@ Nora 09 June, 2014 02:18
“There’s a lot of power in that, American Kulak, and we’re just wasting it.” I agree. The point I was making is I understand clearly food and control over food is far more decisive in the enslavement of a huge country like the U.S. than 100s of millions of guns, whether in the hands of the State or the People. If people are starving they cannot put up much resistance. The same goes for if people are kept on the dole. The homeland of Panem in the Hunger Games series is a reference to the Latin for ‘bread and circuses’. The U.S. certainly will have its circuses until the end but the elites have to be getting worried that even with 1/3rd of this nation’s households on food stamps people are going to wake up.
Mao certainly understood that when he took over China. So did Stalin which is why my name is American Kulak. It is a reference to some ancestors of my Russian wife who resisted ‘Uncle Joe’s forcible collectivization and survived.
I will try to think more constructively and offer links when and where I can to useful prepping that even people with the most limited resources can use. That lots of Russian and Eastern Ukrainian villagers know but Americans grandparents were unable to pass on to their boomer kids or their grandkids.
American Kulak
I actaully don’t know much about Milosevic, but the description of him you provide is very different from the one I get from Chris Hedges. Hedges describes Milosevic as pig-headed fascist and ltra-nationalist. According to Hedges he is more like Stepan Bandera or Mussolini.
@American Kulak
Re the Golden Dawn: You don’t know what you are talking about.
You probably pride your self in being immune to the to the “western” MSM rantings, yet, your commentary is PREMISED on the description of GD as neo-nazis; the demonisation of the same “western” MSM.
Your beloved FN and Jobbik are equally demonised you know.
Finally, to all, the nazi this and fascist that has to STOP in discussing current affairs. The nazi thing ended 70 years ago and the CONSTANT mention of it is bizzare! Anyone who resorts to these terms in discussions of current affairs should realize he has allowed himself to be used.
Patience! Full intervention is the last resort – after all, this is a battle for hearts and minds as much as it is for land and people. Any military involvement will almost immediately erase all of the gains that Putin and Russia have made in that regard.
I can’t fully understand the reason for this, but commenters on this site seem to so easily forget that Putin and Russia have one more non-lethal weapon which WILL be used and MUST be given time to effectively work. Gazprom gave the Ukrainians and Eurocrats an ultimatum that if they don’t receive their money by Tuesday, they will find their pipes very empty. The EU knows that it’s own energy supplies depend on transit through Ukraine and Russia will hold the EU directly responsible for gas debt. If you want to own Ukraine, you will have to shoulder the burden of all that entails – you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
No matter how virulent their propaganda, Porosenko (little Miss Piggy) will have to deal with an enormous public reaction once people can’t fire up their stoves. It’s also difficult to transmit your message to the people if there is no electricity to power televisions. The only problem with this strategy is that it will definitely catalyze the extreme right – many will turn to them who may have never harbored Nazi sentiments before (just like in Greece).
This policy will also have a massive effect on EU Russia relations. But it’s not the politicians I’m worried about, it’s the common folk, both European and Ukrainian. The battle is for their hearts and minds and shutting off the gas will illicit a profound and unpredictable reaction from the general population.
I am amazed that most commentators seem to disregard or ignore a minor detail… Up to May 7th, V.V.P. seemed ready to intervene in Eastern Ukraine… then he met with the Swiss president, chairperson-in-office of the OSCE, Didier Burkhalter… A few days before the encounter, some American sources leaked that they had detected some $ 40 billions tucked away in Western banks, belonging to comrade Vova… After the meeting with the Swiss president, Putin did fire a nuclear missile – just testing – but became strangely less enthusiastic about invading Ukraine… do I have to stress that Burkhalter is Swiss and that if Putin is not cooperative his billions would be frozen and he could not even make a fuss about it ?
@American Russophile: Lastly your calling Uncle Sam Uncle Shmuel is not in very good taste
Wait, so saying Uncle Sam is ok but not Uncle Shmuel? Then, just look at the key players in this and you will see plenty of “Shmuels” aka the Neocons who have been pushing the US policy on that, especially Ms Nuland. Speaking of Uncle Shmuel has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and everything to do with simply showing that Uncle Sam often seems to be afflicted by multiple personality disorder, including a Shmuel one. Finally, it has become a crime of bad taste to mention ANY bad role for ANY Jews. Here, on this blog, I praise those Jews whom I feel like praising and I denounce those which I believe deserve denunciation. And while this policy might be hard to understand (and a royal pain in the butt to stick to!), I will not be deterred from it by either side who would want me to shut up and conform to their idea of propriety. I have always treated Jews like any other group. If the fingerprints of the US Neocons were not all over the place I would not have to point it out, but since they are I will not pretend like I don’t see it.
And if that get’s me in trouble with the Jew haters on one hand and the doublepluspolicitcallycorrect crowd on the other – so be it. I put the truth above somebody else’s definition of good taste, sorry :-)
Cheers and kind regards,
The Saker
American Kulak,
YES! I’ve tried here to get people to realize how important that seemingly simple wealth of knowledge is — but the point is, we’re not talking some abstract time *in the future* — we’re talking right now! Here, take a look at this week’s Drought Monitor Map:
http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/mapsanddata/maparchive.aspx
It’s not *just* California, look at the rest of where most of our food is grown. Then recognize that China is buying increasing amounts of our beef and grain, and realize that we’re not *just* talking higher prices here, we’re talking actual shortages. And I’m worried about the average American family here, not just those on food stamps. Most of what people eat here is corn-based — it’s in everything — and there is *not* going to be enough of it. You worry about the riots and gov’t repression but our population is so passive they may or may not happen. I worry about the hunger, it *will* happen, and we don’t have strong enough social cohesion for people to help one another, so lawlessness will happen too — and not just along our racial/ethnic fissure lines, it’ll happen everywhere. During the Depression, people helped each other out — we *really* need to get back to that ethos, it’s the only thing that will save us, frankly.
American Kulak
“I understand clearly food and control over food is far more decisive in the enslavement of a huge country like the U.S. than 100s of millions of guns, whether in the hands of the State or the People.”
But who has control over our food? There’s a real class divide there too — most family farmers need working wives and take second and sometimes even third jobs while corporations lobby Congress and get what they want and more than a few farm-state Congresscritters manage to get themselves incredible subsidies for their own corporate farms. Here’s the WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/11/farms-are-gigantic-now-even-the-family-owned-ones/
Try this for more info on what’s really going on: http://realtruth.org/articles/100607-006-family.html The first part is a pretty good summary of what’s going on, then they moralize some (fwiw, I don’t quite agree with all of it, but I do agree with a lot; I’m guessing you’ll agree with most of it).
Dear Saker,
Most of us do feel not just with you, but also with the innocent people of Novorosia for now we can just watch, but at the same time I know they are helped as much as possible.
Chocolate Porosenko was reading what was prepared for him to read as it is prepared for the every single clown representing the Empire.
I’m very hopeful that after Porosenko’s meeting with Putin situation will change even the big Sam will expect to have a different result……..
European leaders are in a such a stress because they know they are going to be removed immediately if they don’t follow the uncle’s direction and they could be killed in no time like the all former Polish government.
It was mentioned in the previous blog that we are just before the light exposure and I do really agree with this comparison. Yes, right now we are at the Stalingrad and behind the Stalingrad and Putin is the 90% of the world to finally end these 500 years of atrocities and I’m positive that if the Russian’s are not going to be able to fight enough the Uncle Sam the rest of the world will come to help I have NO doubt about this.
The Trojan horse is waiting in the garage for the right moment and don’t worry, be happy everything will be solved in the very elegant way.
I send you a lots of peaceful hugs maybe it will help you a bit
Saker and all,
Be calm. I told you in the beginning that Novorossiya would pay a heavy price in blood for their freedom. I was not joking and I am not wrong. They will pay a terrible price and are paying as we speak.
The difference between Novorossiya and we in Krim is three fold. We have Sevastopol, we have Krim, traditionally Russia, and we instantly understood the threats from Yarush and Tyagnibok after the coup disaster in Kiev. In three days we had seized our Krim and Sevastopol governments, ousted the Kiev appointed back stabbers and in some cases locked them up, and had 25,000 men and women mobilized to defend us, albeit with clubs the first two days.
It was not Russian troops that first blocked the Ukes in their bases, it was US. It was not Russian troops that secured the Krim Rada that fateful dawn, it was US. It was not Russian Navy personnel that told the Ukes if they moved any of their rusting fleet 1 mm they would be burned and sunk on the spot, it was US.
Donetsk and Lugansk did not do what we did and now they are paying the price. Will Russia overtly come in? I don’t think so unless there is a mass killing such as was in Ossetia. Will that happen? Yes, no doubt. Will Russia sacrifice Novorossiya on the altar of diplomacy? No, absolutely not.
However, as long as I see crowds of strapping young men wandering around and filming the death and destruction in Novorossiya I know Mother will not come in overtly.
Again, all of you be calm. Lament the dead and wounded, pray for them. Know that their sacrifice will not be in vain.
Diplomacy is a cold and hard business. Mr. Putin is the premier diplomat of our time, bar none. He will not act from emotion, he will act when his time is right. We don’t know when that time will be but he does.
As for us in Sevastopol, we are sitting on Ground Zero, we are the Crown Jewel. We know that. If the Copenhagen happens we will again man our barricades. I am an old man now, too old to join the younger men up north or I would not be sitting here writing. I have not forgotten how to use an automat nor has my wife. We will both fight the enemy to the death if they try to take our city. That is not bravado, that is not emotion speaking, that is a simple fact. The enemy had better understand that fact, we will fight until we kill them or they kill us, pure and simple. A visitor to our city said two days ago after talking to some of us ‘my God, these people are more Russian than we are!’. That is it in a nutshell. We are RUSSIAN, WE are RUSSIA.
Novorossiya is not. Yet.
Seems to me that people believe only what they are told. So, look to the media to see how much of those beliefs are garnered from there.
Or, check this out. It’s about globalisation.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sottnet/2014/06/08/dissecting-globalistan-interview-with-pepe-escobar
I am not saying that in Kiev they are nazis, just that the Social-National Party of Ukraine of Tyahnybok and Parubiy was a nazi-leaning party that became Svoboda, a very important party in euromaidan. They honor the SS divisions and the OUN, that was in charge of the 1941 Lviv pogrom.
Add to that Tymoshenko’s promise to nuke 8 million Russians and to incinerate Russia, add to that Kolomoisky’s $10,000 bounty on Moskaly heads, and you have a a pretty solid connection to Hitler.
I think that we should mention that, particularly when speaking to Jews.
Why should not a few Russian crews volunteer with their GRADs, and a few volunteering officers? And a few observation drones.
Plus a couple of anti-aircraft systems.
Why should that not be sufficient to turn the battle around?
Remember that US policy is in the hands of the furies, Samantha, Susan, and Victoria. If the Russian army enters, Nato will also enter, and nuclear war is likely.
Saker, I have a Russian friend that told me not to overly worry, that today’s Russia is not the Russia of the late 1990’s.
You are right to be concerned. The fault line between the East and the West runs through Ukraine and Syria. The future is being decided in our time just as the future of Europe was being decided in the early 1930’s.
I just cannot accept that the future world for my children will be a neo-liberal fantasy land of Hollywood, Wall Street, and the rule of Western Corporatism.
http://israilistanbul.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/7_wa.jpg
http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y456/venomous15/Putinism/PutinJews/putinpresidentrussia_zps2d0891e7.jpg
http://www.yalibnan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/putin-in-israel1-300×216.jpg
Putin takes his orders from Tel Aviv just like Obama and Merkel.
@Anonymous who asked about Mumblebrain’s statement about the non-existent Tiananmen ”massacre”. The article is by Gregory Clark, a respected former Australian diplomat who also busted the myth about China’s 1962 “invasion” of India.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tiananmen-square-massacre-myth-all-were-remembering-are-british-lies-1451053
Regarding the border protection, is it clear about which type of border violations the order is really about?
In a comment of a German newpaper someone has claimed that there are now some Russian planes flying on the Russian side of the border – reasonable, last but not least the border has been violated by Ukr airplanes during the fights near the border.
So, in fact it may be simply a de facto no fly zone near the border for Ukr airplanes. Any other information?
Dear Saker,
I haven’t commented much on your blog, and perhaps you even lumped me into the “crazies” category for calling for an intervention about 10 days ago.
But as you pointed out, being Serbian we have seen this movie before and the patterns are repeating themselves. Putin did the right thing in the beginning, and he probably thought he could win the propaganda war with all the evidence coming out and being posted online.
However, no matter how many video clips and other evidence is posted online, the fact is that these news don’t reach the western audience except if they search for it actively via Google. Somewhere in some FSB office they must have reached this conclusion also, i.e. that their propaganda has been “nullified” by the effective “gatekeeping” here in the West.
This was exactly the same situation Milosevic found himself in. There was overwhelming evidence that Croats and Bosnians were armed by Western countries and that foreigners were pouring in to fight – but nobody in the west heard about it until 10 years later.
Like you said, Milosevic made the mistake of thinking he could make a deal with the Devil. In his naivety he thought he could “play” the AngloZionist 1%. Fatal mistake.
I made a “prediction” at home last week that Putin wouldn’t make any decisions until after the D-day celebrations and his chat with Poroshenko.
If the ATO continues with the same ferocity after “Poroshenko’s week” and Putin does not intervene directly in some way or form then I think we can conclude that he is walking down the same path as Milosevic.
Until then I still have hope that Putin hasn’t lost his marbles and is simply trying to exhaust all other options before he launches himself into a situation that will become even more fluid and difficult to manage (i.e. military action in Ukraine and all the following consequences).
So, let’s try and have some “ice” in the stomach for one more week before we break the seal on the 15 year old Shljivovitsa.
Apparently neither Saker nor anyone else here believes the reports that 300 NG/RS perish per week out of a force of only 4,500 committed young nazies. If this is true and Russia’s short term goal is “battlefield denazification”, Putin does not want the battle to end for another 8 weeks and Porosh willbeglad to see less blackmailers ready to do him harm. Notice that Strelkov announcedthat they rpg’d two trucks worth of ng and nobody in the media wants to acknowledge that. That means thewestern media canbe helpng Putin by not getting the west riled up by a stealth defeat of the ng and rs in donetsk and lugansk.
However, i want to know more about the statement above that Chechens ran away from Donetsk after that right sector attack?!!
How effective us the ukr drone and IR technology vs the Russians?
Dont panic
The atrocities are not that high,I come from Croatia,my hometown was bombarded much more than Slavyansk from the Serbs,people just have to start living with it. There is always time to go to war,it is never to late.
About Porosenkos speach,what have you expected? He has to be very careful not to provoke Natzis near him,we will see what his deeds are,speaches are quickly forgotten.People from SE Ukraine must mobilize much more manpower,this is way to little for such a big region (7mil.)
Anonymous 00.12, of course there was no Tian An Men ‘massacre’. Work from first principles. Who said that there was? Yes, that’s right-Uncle Satan and his lying minions in the Western MSM and stooge regimes. They lie about everything, certainly in regard to China towards which they have been utterly aggressive since 1949, if not since the Opium Wars.
My father, a journalist, soon learned from his ‘sources’ that the propaganda narrative was crap. The story kept mutating, the massacre moving from the Square to the area around the Square, to other parts of Beijing. The numbers killed varied wildly, the atrocities became more lurid and unbelievable ie it was standard Western Rightwing agit-prop and hate-mongering, with the presstitutes’ usual hysteria, projection, wishful thinking and psychopathy running amuk. What you expect from lying scum who never disappoint.
Soon after (although for me, the Chinese Government’s denials were good enough)various eye-witnesses came forward and it became plain that no ‘massacre’ occurred in the square, save for troops killed by armed agitators, many of whom, it transpired, were Hong Kong triad thugs employed by Uncle Satan. A new source revealed in a Wikileaks cable from the US Ambassador in July 1989, is a Chilean diplomat who reported that the troops peacefully cleared the Square with no deaths.
What happened in Beijing was the prototype ‘Colour Revolution’ by the USA, and it was defeated. Even the basest idiot knew that Uncle Satan was behind this project as soon as the hideous ‘Goddess of Liberty’ was wheeled out, for Western public consumption. Any Chinese identifying with the USA, then or now, is, in my opinion, an imbecile, a compradore or a traitor. Even the guru of Colour Revolutions, Gene Sharp was in Beijing just prior to the attempted seizure of power.
The Chinese Government averted the fate of the USSR by acting, and preserved its country’s independence, which will be so vital if Uncle Satan’s diabolical rule is to be overthrown. To avert China falling into the hands of Chinese Yeltsins, one hundred real massacres would not be too great a price. But no massacre occurred, although people died as violent thugs attacked the troops, and for that, as in most things evil, Uncle Satan bears the blame. As for ‘Uncle Shmuel’- what can be wrong with an expression that illuminates the undeniable truth that the USA, like most of the West, is utterly controlled by its Jewish Lobbies. Only, you can’t really call a group that controls politics, finance, the MSM and the entertainment businesses a ‘Lobby’.
@the Saker
I agree with American Russophile that calling Uncle Sam Uncle Shmuel is not in very good taste
You might just as well start with the message that you think Hitler is a great guy: in many Western countries it will have the same effect that most people classify you as a neo-nazi and discard the rest you write. That means you are unnecessarily restricting your audience.
It looks like in many cases you use the word Jew as a synonym for neocon. So my suggestion would be that you use the latter term (neocon) as it is not contaminated.
Mister Saker, everything is more or less OK, but I don’t agree on two things
First, Putin should not intervene at all. You cannot invade other country just like that. If people of Novorussia want freedom they are supposed to fight for it. Not fight on facebook or twitter, but to massively join to Donbas Army.
Second, please don’t make comparisons between war in Ukraine and war in former Yugoslavia. They have no any similarities. And do not support Serbian side without hearing other sides of that war.
It is friendly advice.
I checked yesterday the views of the international press on the siege of Slavyansk. Obviously an imaginary event, since the international press had not heard about it.
I checked this morning again, on New York Times, Washington Post, Guardian, Independent, Telegraph, Liberation (in Paris), La Stampa, Corriere della Sera, La Repubblica: total radio silence.
Fortunately, the Western media good name and honor were saved by one voice of heart-felt concern, from Le Monde.
There you can view a brief video of burning buildings from AFP, under the title “Sloviansk pilonnée par les séparatistes.” Translation: “Slavyansk pillaged by the separatists”. The article explains that in Slaviansk, the pillage of the city by pro-Russian separatists provoked numerous fires on Sunday June 8.
At AFP website, they propose videos showing “Slavyansk shelled by pro-Russian separatists”
A new piece in CNN today. The writers appear personally neutral, and surprisingly seem to even betray a certain sarcasm, in their title: Slavyansk burns as new Ukrainian President yearns for peace.
I agree with you Saker, I find it very suspicious why after their assurances that they will intervene if Russians’ lives and interests were threatened, Putin and Lavrov have gone completely silent, and no intervention is forthcoming from Russia.
There is one thing that keeps popping into my head, like an obsessive thought, kind of a devil’s advocate musing:
what if, like in the case of Saddam Hussein, Russia’s military capability is greatly over-exagerrated, particularly their nuclear ability?
What if Putin does not have in fact the means of his ambitions, and is concerned that by invading, he will show Russia’s weakness?
This is worth bearing into account, and that might be why the US are so daring in their NATO pushes eastwards.
I agree with you Saker, I find it very suspicious why after their assurances that they will intervene if Russians’ lives and interests were threatened, Putin and Lavrov have gone completely silent, and no intervention is forthcoming from Russia.
There is one thing that keeps popping into my head, like an obsessive thought, kind of a devil’s advocate musing:
what if, like in the case of Saddam Hussein, Russia’s military capability is greatly over-exagerrated, particularly their nuclear ability?
What if Putin does not have in fact the means of his ambitions, and is concerned that by invading, he will show Russia’s weakness?
This is worth bearing into account, and that might be why the US are so daring in their NATO pushes eastwards.
Can you link to some more information about the Milosevic sell out. I have read Parenti’s book on Yugoslavia but I don’t remember reading this part.
We must not be angry with Putin. It isn’t he who caused the bloodshed in Donbass, but rather the cartel of NATO, the EU, UN and US. Still, why has Putin hesitated to help? It seems to me he’s changed somehow over the weeks since he accepted Crimea. He not longer behaves like the courageous, altruistic, and strategically brilliant man he was. I’m afraid something has happened to him. What we need to be asking is: what threat could the cartel pose to neutralize a man like Putin? He has too much wealth and integrity to be bought or tempted with promises. It must be something much worse. A threat to something more dear to him than life. Please, people, think. What could it be? What horror might the cartel have threatened to silence a man like Putin? Knowing the answer could help save Novorossiya.
Putin is a great man of tremendous altruism and integrity. He would never willfully desert people of Russian heritage. This is a given.
Ladies and gentlemen, stout hearts and strength. Grandfather Frost and the Ice Princess are very busy from what I hear.
Dear friends of Novorossiya:
What’s wrong with this picture? My husband gave $30,000 he didn’t have to defend his son against charges of a victimless crime. If everyone in Donbass gave 15% this much to the cause of Novorossiya, it would be more than the entire annual budget of Ukraine! Wouldn’t they then have a well-paid well-equipt army? So why do these poeple sit on their bums and complain about being attacked? Freedom isn’t free!
I’ve stocked up 2 years worth of food, and I’m thousands of miles from any conflict. Why should the people of Slavyansk not have done the same? I’ve seen how pretty their villages are. Are they spoiled or just lazy? I’ve led movements. I know how hard it is to get people up off their rears into action. I yelled, screamed, wrote fliers with lots of exclamations marks, and didn’t take no for an answer from anyone!
I’ve wept over Novorossiya. I care a great deal. But I’m starting to wonder why the people aren’t doing more to help themselves! Maybe Putin is wondering that too!
Please let me know if I’m wrong. I want to see Novorossiya win!
Putin is not Milosevic as Milosevic is dead, whereas Putin, whom I surmise you believe is making all Russian policy, is not.
Using analogy is always bad strategy.
War is not sacrifice; war is exercising control.
War is a process; not an event.
This war started a long time ago and it has some time still to run.
The US is provoking Russia to attack now so that the border countries will panic and ask for NATO ‘protection’ all the way to the Russian border. Russia will instead resist covertly, politically and economically for the next 6-9 months while it locks in multiple political, military and economic partnerships; showing the US to be the aggressor all must be protected from. The end game for Russia is a partnership from China through Russia to Germany that marginalizes NATO and the US. Motivation will be that Europe will find the business value of the combined economy far outstripping the cost of subjugating their foreign policy to NATO and enforcing US sanctions. Stay tuned for more non-dollar currency swaps and the economic integration with Iran and Turkey…
Please, Saker. Please, Putin, please!!!!!
” now that usa has sent stealth bomber to England the easiest and most desirable thing for Russia to do, if ever big war starts, nuke English nation and destroy the evil plotter and main enemy of Russia.
Do not need to lie to yourself, the U.S. ORGANIZED the war in Ukraine in terms of public debt 17 trillion dollars. First. United States needs a military base in the Crimea to exit to the Black Sea and a NATO base against Russia. U.S. tender site posted a message in September for construction the base in Crimea, six months before the revolution. That is, they had ALREADY known that there would there. Second. Deposits of methane gas in the southeast, in Slavyansk, where the war now. By the way Biden Jr. is a founder of the Ukrainian gas company. And many other reasons. United States are in need of money.
At least the 80th time the United States has organized a coup or a failed coup in a foreign country since 1953. Some of them: Iran (1953); Guatemala(1954); Thailand (1957); Laos (1958-60); the Congo (1960); Turkey (1960, 1971 & 1980); Ecuador (1961 & 1963); South Vietnam (1963); Brazil (1964); the Dominican Republic (1963); Argentina (1963); Honduras (1963 & 2009); Iraq (1963 & 2003); Bolivia (1964, 1971 & 1980); Indonesia (1965); Ghana (1966); Greece (1967); Panama (1968 & 1989); Cambodia (1970); Chile (1973); Bangladesh (1975); Pakistan (1977); Grenada (1983); Mauritania (1984); Guinea (1984); Burkina Faso (1987); Paraguay (1989); Haiti (1991 & 2004); Yugoslavia (1991); Russia (1993); Uganda (1996); Libya (2011), Ukraine (2014).
In general, what the Americans are doing on another continent, in the Ukraine? Why they impose to us? “US Refuses To Take Back 13 Dead CIA Spies Killed In Ukraine” http://www.eutimes.net/…/us-refuses-to-take-back-13…/
Dear Saker
Its fine that you disagree, I don’t think that he was perfect either, far from it, sell out is a strong word but whatever … Putin has done amazing things for Russia, absolutely brilliant economic recovery. But don’t you think its weird that someone who has nukes, oil, gas, no debt and 150 million people is not openly supporting his own people and someone who had none of that at least tried. When did you see Milosevic running around, having chit chat with his enemies while we were being killed?! And it really makes no sense to talk about “controlling Europe” when you’re not even controlling your own backyard.
And all we can see and hear on RT ( besides Russians trying to impersonate Americans, which is pathetic and generally all those efforts from Russian politicians and tycoons to s**k up to west for the last 14 years have been pathetic and they make me sick) is business as usual, we will not feel sanctions bla bla bla. Well business is over, nobody wants them on west, they should wake the hell up cuz they’re at war.
And It doesn’t matter who supports Serbs and who doesn’t, Serbs are fine they are getting ready to go the Greece on their vacations, no need for support at all. But these people are suffering and someone should stop all this, those dead young people in Odessa, these hundreds of dead in Donbass it’s just too much, directly or indirectly they must support those people cuz if they lose next is Crimea and then Russia is in real danger. I know its hard for some to think that they might lose their yahts, but hey we all been there :P
Pozdrav,
Mia
Anonymous 06:17,
A while back I came up with 112 countries — no dates, in alphabetical order and including other stuff besides “just” coups. Seeing the dates, however, REALLY hits home. sigh. Here is my list:
Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Argentina, Australia, Azerbaijan, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bolivia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina-Faso, Cambodia, Canada, Central African Republic, Chile, China, Colombia, Congo, Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Czech Republic, Djibouti, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethopia, France, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Indonesia, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, N. Korea, S. Korea, Kuwait, Kyrgystan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Libya, Lithuania, Macedonia, Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mexico, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Panama, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Puerto Rico, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, Serbia, Seychelles, Singapore, Slovakia, Somalia, South Africa, South Sudan, Spain, Sudan, Syria, Thailand, Trinidad-Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, Uganda, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen, Yugoslavia, Zaire
Nora said…
“A while back I came up with 112 countries — no dates, in alphabetical order and including other stuff besides “just” coups. Seeing the dates, however, REALLY hits home. sigh. Here is my list:”
Dearest Sister,
You always forget Palestine!
This one country makes up for the 112 countries in your list.
Palestine is still in war and occupied.
Don’t make my heart bleed,
Mohamed.
Nora said…
“A while back I came up with 112 countries — no dates, in alphabetical order and including other stuff besides “just” coups. Seeing the dates, however, REALLY hits home. sigh. Here is my list:”
Dearest Nora,
I wonder why do you have Israel in the List and not Palestine?
Best regards,
Mohamed.
All well thought out and said, Saker. I only suggest that Putin this time means a different kind of “move in” and this is a stealth kind that the tiger does. We have seen Putin in pictures with tigers. He is a protector of Siberian tiger. I find him similar to the tiger and think his admiration of the cat beast is not accidental.
I too still hope Putin will make the move. I see that he has made small, to the naked eye invisible moves already. They should intensify: as fighters for sophisticated arms are trained in NR, weapons will arrive; as volunteers amass, so will weapons and supplies.
This war must be won by Russians of Ukraine. This is Putin’s strategy, so that Russia continues to develop economically and in other way.
However, he may be MADE by the aggressors to abandon this strategy. He does not want it but may have to move in with the forces of RF, the move that supporters of Rus’ want to see and fear that it will not happen.
So far Putin has acted calmly to the killing of Russians in Novorussia . But acting sensibly and calmly doesn’t conduct to sensible behavior by the corrupt EU .
So a drastic change of pace from Russia is needed .
Those people in charge of the EU are totally owned and brainwashed and cannot see reason . There is a huge gap in mentality between the European population and the idiots in charge . There are a lot of firms in the North East of Italy that depend on trade with Russia and they are not happy with the prospect of interrupting trade links .
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