by Mister Unknown
Recently Saakashvili made a rather comical statement on Ukrainian TV , which reinforced my perception of him as someone “with a tendency for miscalculation”, to put it euphemistically.
“Our plans now include the New Silk Road. Now logistics take 30 days if transported via Russia, but it will take up to nine days via Illichivsk [port]. Everything is available there. And large flows need to be attracted. And it’s possible to attract. A flow will go if a highway heading for Reni, i.e. the European Union, is built. Then a large bridge across the Dniester Firth needs to be built for no one could cut Bessarabia away. We’re already working on this…”
A few “little” problems with Saakashvili’s statement:
1. Existing rail routes – starting in Chongqing, running through Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus, & arriving in Duisburg, takes 14-16 days, NOT 30 days (see schedule below from a Chinese company that actually operates on this route).
Even an extended route – the China-Europe Block Train, spanning from Eastern China to Spain would take only 21 days.
2. How did Saakashvili dream up “9 days” via Illichivsk? Who knows… but, here is the reality: if Chinese companies were looking for the shortest, fastest way to transport goods to the EU, making a stop in Illichivsk makes no business sense in most circumstances. If the goods were destined for Northern Europe (e.g. Germany, Scandinavia, France, etc.), a far more direct route would be through Russia (and the Baltic states if needed). In that case Ukraine would be an unnecessary southern diversion. If the destination was Southern EU states (Romania, Italy, Spain, etc.), direct maritime routes, offloading in Constanta (Romania) , Piraeus (Greece) , or Genova (Italy) would have similar (or slightly shorter) shipping times relative to Illichivsk , but have the added advantage of being inside EU territory, thus foregoing the need for one additional customs inspection. In fact, I’d imagine that’s one of the reasons that COSCO – a Chinese state-owned shipping company – is pursuing a stake in Piraeus.
3. If China wants a purely non-maritime trade route with the EU, 3 basic options exist:
– Kazakhstan, Russia, Belarus
– Pakistan, Iran, Turkey
– Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Turkey
In all cases, Ukraine would be an unnecessary transit point that adds no business value, especially since Belarus is already positioning itself as China’s optimal Silk Road transit partner, through a joint venture to build an industrial park to streamline logistics.
The only scenario in which Ukraine could potentially add some value as a transit country for Chinese goods to the EU is if Ukraine joined either the Eurasian Union or the European Union, which would at least ease customs & entry processes, but neither is politically realistic at this point.
If Saakashvili ACTUALLY thinks diverting the Silk Road away from Russia to Ukraine is a possibility – as his statement suggests – then he is in for some disappointment when reality kicks in.
Ukraine could have been a key depot along the New Silk Road. China intended big things for Ukraine, especially for its agriculture.
That remains as an option if the war can be ended and Ukraine neutralized.
but USA had even bigger intentions for Ukraine (sarcastic way) and they implemented it unfortunately to some extent ….
I think alot of the agricultural land has already been sold to US investors….and Monsanto too….so the value of the agricultural products will not be of interest to Russia anyway…in the Asian organizations.
Talk about delusion…
Today, in the Liberal Zionist owned imperialist, and pro Democrat gang Huffington Post, they denounce the Novorossyan Militia as being the aggressors in the War in Southeast Europe.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/08/11/ukraine-violence_n_7969354.html
This Oligarch propaganda emanates from the pro Democrat gang, pro Hilary Clinton, pro Hollywood Obomber, pro Senator Sanders, pro Polanski, (did I include- democrat party gang?) largest American/Zionist website.
Do any still hold illusions still held that, somehow, the Democrat gang is superior to the Republic party gang? These are twin terrorist/totalitarian gangs that are engaged in the business of imperialist propaganda, brainwashing, and coverup for the ruling Oligarchs. And the “Huffington Post” (along with its friends at the “New York Times”, is a vital part of this criminal misrepresentation setup.
Read it and weep. The tragedy of the destruction of the American Republic on November 22, 1963, with concurrent the tragic loss of our democratic culture, makes the efforts of the Saker, Edward Snowden, Dieudonné and his friends, and our friends, so vital in the struggle for Liberty.
2 more points:
*Some of the allowed -sound bites- underneath the article attempted to defend the Novorossyan Militia, and defend the Truth, but they are overwhelmed by the official line as portrayed by the “Huffington Post” owners, and their fanboy commentators.
**The imperialist media take great pains to portray the Russian Government of President Vladimir Putin as, either, – a totalitarian (and corrupt) Oligarchy
or, – failing in that effort, to imply that the Russian Republic is in decline and morphing into an evermore totalitarian (and Stalinist like) regime.
Their (the imperialist Oligarchs’ propaganda organs), efforts support my insistence that the Russian Government is a functional Democratic Republic, much to the dismay of the Anglo/American Zionists, who, therefore, rather choose to slander it than explain, or, (heaven forbid), concede the point.
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
“they denounce the Novorossyan Militia as being the aggressors in the War in Southeast Europe.”
I see this as progression – if not towards the truth, but at least away from the bigger lies.
No serious politician has directly accused Russia of invading Ukraine for some 6 months or so. The tone has not changed – there is still much noise about Russian Aggression, but the detail has disappeared.
The Novorossyan Militia are at least participants in the war. The newspapers are at last following the more cautionary wording of the politicians.
It is all very strange.
Take heart!
There is a number of somewhat popular websites in the US where the writers and the members support the Donbass, Russia and Putin and oppose the junta. One of the best is http://www.smirkingchimp.com, though there is a tiny group of die-hard O’Bummerbots there who attack the views of the majority with some regularity. But by and large it is on the side of humanity, not the Hegemon.
The entire US MSM has lied about everything for as long as I can remember, and the last vestiges of Thought Crime were expunged in the rest of the West after 9/11, so this is hardly surprising. Liars lie. Hate-mongers foment hatred. And the destruction of Russia and China is the West’s greatest ever priority, so the MSM, entirely populated by scum of various types, will do its duty. To be frank, I see no way out, because the rabid dog in its hydrophobic end-stage thrashings about is all the more likely to bite everybody within reach.
With all the talk of government reform by US placemen, the theme is very much convincing naive hacks that there is progress in Ukraine. Progress in itself is irrelevant.
Spin is the goal
Most every military analyst and Intel experts (Russia’s particularly) have concluded that there will be endless war against Russia by Ukraine as long as Porky and the junta rule, and the US has some influence over Kiev.
Thus, more war in the August month, erupting into a wide Donbass counter-offensive.
I think this is now personal as well as strategic. Porky thinks he can win some leverage over Putin.
He is pissing on Minsk 2 (Putin’s document) and he kills wantonly.
His latest words indicate he wants Russia to attack in response to his orders of total violation of Minsk 2 weapons pullback. Porky is paid to get more war out of Russia.
Naturally, Russia cannot really use their full force just for Donbass and Minsk 2.
But there has to be some “intervention” in other forms. Perhaps, sabotage across the major cities, and uprisings against Ukie units of repression. There is clear evidence of FSB penetration of SBU and probably the Ukie command structure. (Money in Ukraine buys everyone.)
In order for the junta to be overcome by the Right Sector, something very dramatic has to occur.
Mariupol would be the ideal target. It could be taken with Russian special forces (in disguise and integrated with militia and civilians uprising).
Then, the Right Sector will go for Kiev in force. The junta would have to flee.
Once the red and black flag flies, Russia can act. (perhaps, even joined by Belarus who can not abide a nazi regime next to them. They would be the next US target in the region.)
The spigot of war is in the hands of the US and Porky. Russia must destroy that to end the threat.
While our eyes are on the northern border of Donbass ceasefire line, the southern front along the Azov shore might be where everything turns.
@RR
“While our eyes are on the northern border
of Donbass ceasefire line, the southern
front along the Azov shore might be where
everything turns.”
I’ve come across two rumours:
From YouTube, footage claiming it is of a firefight (Aug 12) between Right Sector and UAF. Also news of NATO mercenaries – snipers, nine women, and a notable Scandinavian and other foreign languages presence in the current offensive.
The second, is of militia movement towards Mariupul.
When reality leaves fantasy steps in. When fantasy leaves reality becomes a dead weight. When fantasy and reality are interwoven with love I have what I describe at thelovegovernment.com. If you think this is a plug for The Love Government you are right. I may not be right but I’ll surely be wrong if I don’t express what I think is right within the guidelines of this love Russia site. I love Russia in her counter-weight role to the elitist evil system in power. At present Russia is playing the part of the good patriarch. If she succeeds she will then have to deal with the inherent evil of patriarchy itself. But that is miles up the road and we have far to go before we can sleep in peace.
You must be talking about this person, dear friend …. https://nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/screen-shot-2015-02-15-at-9-00-12-pm.png ….. hahahahahahaaaaaa……
I do remember this charlatan … is he still alive ?????? where is this GRU cells working ????? do they lack of Polonium or a similar isotope ….. hmmmmm ….
Clearly that’s a silk ‘road’ tie he chews on.
Does medical science have an identifiable obssessive compulsive disorder to describe this malady?
DSS (Debilitating Sericum-via-itis Syndrome) perhaps?
Oh! Look! After a year and then some, ‘they’ have suddenly at the crash site found BUK missile parts. A BUK which as everyone knows is a RUSSIAN missile. CAPS are necessary to ensure the dim get the message.
And the Dutch Safety Board is ever cautious and states there is no causal connection -yet.
Can it get any more pathetic?
MH17: ‘Russian missile parts’ at Ukraine crash site
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420
And the Dutch Safety Board is ever cautious and states there is no causal connection -yet.
Well, before those bum bandits can make the “right” determination, they need to get the material out of Donbass and into one of approved colonies in the EU, where those parts supposedly from the Donbass can be safely swapped with “the proof” parts.
Have these “found” parts been shown yet, and publicly photographed?
I am not sure they actually need to swap anything, merely stating is sufficient. Anyone connected with the ‘investigation’ knows it is a farce but will say whatever they are told to say.
Since a BUK has 4,000 or so pieces of shrapnel plus the missile casing/propellant itself, the wreckage and some of the occupants e.g. pilots will be ridddled with its evidence. I am unsure how the lack of holes matching the size/shape of the BUK shrapnel can be explained -perhaps they will just ignore the question as ‘irrelevant’ to the investigation?
It is almost certain that MH17 was brought down by an air-to-air missile and/or cannon fire from a fighter jet.
If I was planning this I’d have made sure the air-to-air missile had BUK shrapnel in it -easy to come by since Ukraine has hunderds of these BUK missiles.
Alternatively, prior to takeoff, I’d salt the MH17cargo with the same -preferably pre-detonated with aircaft alloy so as to have the deformation and chemical/metal residue expected.
I worry about details, Hegemon’s just dismiss them and dictate what the MSM must say -if they know what’s good for them.
SanctuaryOne
Good point. The zionazi/nazi psychological “1984’ing” of their western colonial populations has been so thorough and effective, they need never present the truth or explain previous lies any more. They can simply move on to the next propaganda meme and make like it was the truth all along. And the the next, and then the next. Just like in the novel 1984. If the news isn’t to zionazi liking, it’s simply ignored or smeared and most westerners suck that bs up as part of their daily advertising and propaganda programming.
As it had been a very long time since I read ‘1984’ I recently finished reading it again. It is amazingly prophetic on the propaganda level but unfortunately the Zio’s et al have read it too -but as an instruction manual.
Here it is in action today:
Info Arms Race: US Gives $500,000 to Train Russian Language Journos in Baltics
“The program offers financial aid for the training of early-career Russian-language journalists in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia so they can become providers of a “fact based and credible” take on world events.
“As Russian propaganda and misinformation multiplies, the media in all three countries need the skills and tools to counter it with fact-based, credible news reporting,” the embassy’s announcement reads.
The US State Department aims to improve “training and tools to increase journalists’ ability to counter Russian media messaging and misinformation.”
The “ideal” program, as the US government sees it, should inspire its apprentices to pursue “realistic investigative reporting project ideas” with “cash reporting awards.“
Those last three words above say it all.
http://russia-insider.com/en/society/us-counters-russian-messaging-baltics-500k-innovative-journalism-program/ri9173
@‘1984’ … is amazingly prophetic on the propaganda level but unfortunately the Zio’s et al have read it too -but as an instruction manual.
It was Orwell who had an insight into the Zio’s modus operandi and not the other way round.
“Unconfirmed reports” as usual. Of course the Kalashnikov rifle is a Russian-built weapon, so clearly the only way anyone could have one in Ukraine would be if big bad Vlad was supplying them :0
It’s the same modus operandi as with Lockerbie. ‘Crucial evidence’ that implicated Libya, miraculously discovered long after the crash. They can get away with it because the brainwashing MSM dare not exhibit intelligence, honesty or honour in their regurgitations of elite agit-prop. Their well-paid jobs depend on it.
They could easily get away with that with Libya.Small weak countries are targets for successful bullying.A country like Russia can turn them into a nuclear ash if they smart-mouth too much.Its all in “who” you insult.A pro-fighter” that can and will turn your face into hamburger meat,is a mistake to try bullying.They may need to learn that the hard way.After waking up on the floor with a broken jaw they’ll watch their mouths.
England lives off piracy and has always lived on that. Now theu call it money laundering or service industry.
Seriously,you are right.I know many don’t see it that way,but its true in the general context.The early Empire was built to greatness by taking from others (i.e.Piracy).From the days of seizing Ireland,to Drake (and many others) looting Spanish ships and colonies.To the takeover of the Indian sub-continent,and controlling and then destroying its vast economy.All done purely to benefit Britain.And nowadays there are the financial mafia’s that have enriched London with stolen loot.They are certainly not the only ones practicing that type of piracy (cough…France…cough…US).But over the centuries they have become masters at the game .Which is why I laugh sarcastically whenever I hear Cameron and his minions attempt to take the “high moral ground” in any World issue.
Saakashvili has a history of just making up incredible things which have no basis whatsoever in fact. I deeply regret the demise of the Georgian Media site, which was another source of criticism that dictator Sakashvili was able to neutralize before his overthrowing by Georgian Dream. Georgian Media Center routinely held up Sakkashvili’s more ridiculous claims to public mockery, such as when he bragged to a visiting group of westerners that Georgians are so honest most people do not even lock their doors, or when he predicted his reforms were going to attract so many tourists to Georgia they would almost outnumber Georgians. He lives in a dream world of ignorance.
In this instance, he is asking some pretty shrewd businessmen to simply change their plans so as to include Ukraine, without checking any of his claims. That might be all right for Saakashvili, but I doubt anyone who has to account for their business plans to unsympathetic oversight is going to be much interested. This is probably just Saakashvili reassuring Poroshenko that he has chosen the right business genius and investment-attracting dynamo to run Odessa.
Saakashvili, as usual, is talking out of his backside (BTW, there is an urban myth that in the Georgian language, the word saakashvili means sack of sh*t. ;D).
The Israeli-Americans have already more than demonstrated that shipping anything through their Ukrainian colony, from any where, would be complete folly for the parties involved. One might as well trash the stuff at its point of origin. Only an idiot, or Jewish mafia fraudster working an insurance scam or shipping contraband, would bother with sending products through the Ukrainian sinkhole now.
More than likely the “shipping” of goods through Odessa will be along the lines of making it an illegal drug center.In a city like that ,with no real law and order.Where only those with guns make the rules,its perfect spot to go the way of Albania and Kosovo.And become the main drug entry point for all Europe.Lots of money for the junta oligarchs,political bosses,volunteer fascists,and US agents to make with that.
Besides main drug port Odessa also plans to become gay tourist capital of Ukraine.
Yandex translated:
http://politikus.ru/events/55715-v-odesse-proydet-gey-parad-s-celyu-sdelat-gorod-gey-stolicey-ukrainy.html
In Odessa will host a gay pride parade with the aim to make the city “the gay capital of Ukraine”
In mid-August in Odessa will host a series of events dedicated to LGBT issues.
“Gay tourism as an element of regional branding Odessa” is the topic, in particular, as stated by the organizers, they expect the “Odessa-Mama” should become “gay capital” of Ukraine and intends to make every effort to do so.
http://ukraina.ru/news/20150809/1013918185.html
The LGBT movement organises a number of events in Odessa from August 13 to 16.
The goal of the events stated “building a dialogue between the LGBT community and the population of the city.” In the programme of events — a discussion platform on the topic of “Gay tourism as an element of regional branding Odessa” where will consider promoting gay tourism in the city.
Well, since Ukros don’t have any self-respect whatsoever, they.ll settle for anything which reeks sufficiently of Western degeneracy. Hard-core Ukronazis will be no exception. Expect Pravy Sektor to eulogise sodomy and the Maidan monkeys to scream for gay rights in, yes, Russia.
OT: deja vu, the Israeli-American quislings running Turkey are pushing for a no-fly zone over Syria.
Turkey Wants to Work With Int’l Community to Establish Syria No-Fly Zone
Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu says Ankara hopes to work with the United States and the international community to establish a no-fly zone over northern Syria to protect civilians amid the civil war in the country.
Those buggered zio-stooges want to protect civilians? My arse.
BOT TAK, They’re already going beyond the no-fly zone. They’re going for Aleppo. This is on Moonofalabama.org:
“Today al Qaeda in Syria, aka Jabhat al Nusra which the U.S. has nurtured since 2012, pulled back from its areas in Aleppo governate. The Turkish president Erdogan wants these areas to block a Kurdish autonomous area in north Syria but also as a supply zone for his forces which those will need to later take Aleppo city, Erdogan’s real strategic target.
“Nusra claims that the retreat was because it would not support Turkey’s attack on Syria and/or fight against the Islamic State for solely Turkish and U.S. gains. But the timing makes it clear that it had simply received an order or an offer it could not refuse: “Move now or we will cut you off from the money and logistics you have received for so long.”
“A few hours after Nusra pulled away from the fronts in Aleppo governate and moved towards Idlib the Turkish invasion started.”
Much more, please read it. Among other things, both Voltaire.net & moonofalama now say that Saudis have belatedly realized that the downfall of Assad will greatly strengthen Turkey, and they have taken fright, say they prefer Assad after all.
US & Turkey pushing forward w all possible speed. Horrid, horrid.
Turkey is not the one pushing this plan. The plan was written up by the brookings institute a while ago and turkey is just going along with it.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/108893509/BrookingsSyria0315-Syria-Saban
Original Paul,
Attack on Syria by Jihadist mercenary proxies preceded Brookings report by years– as did Turkey’s transport of US supplies to them.
Brookings report was novel only in that it spelled out a little different technique, which involved more direct US involvement & (increased) boots on the ground. The technique, which is already in play, is here
6/30/15 http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/06/30-deconstructing-syria-ohanlon Basically, announce that a group which US puts down is to be protected by US– from ISIS & Assad’s forces; help them w special forces US, British, Saudi, Turkish, etc. Do this in spots all over Syria.
Erdogan is a megalomaniac determined to gain more territory. Many months ago he masterminded a false flag in which Syrian forces would be accused to have attacked the tomb of the founder of Turkey, which is on Syrian territory. This was to be followed immediately by a Turkish invasion.
It had to be cancelled cuz the entire planning conference by Erdogan’s highest echelon was taped and dumped on youtube. Erdogan had to block sectors of the internet to avoid its being heard in Turkey. The Western media lied & said the blockage was to avoid knowledge of some corruption.
Ever since he ate his tie on TV I have thought that guy was high on his own supply. Typical US comprador: delusional, criminal and very nutty. No doubt he will get a second act when Odessa is liberated like South Ossetia was.
Perhaps his tie was poisoned with some neuro-toxin. The Empire always attracts the cream of humanity, don’t you think.
no one in their right mind will put anything in that disgusting black hole. No pipes, no rail, nothing.
The background of Turkey’s current invasion of Syria to take Aleppo. (See Moonofalabama)
Turkey’s internal struggle just now threatens civil war cuz he reneged on 2012 ceasefire promises to Kurds re governance, education & language rights. Then when ISIS invaded Kobani, he wdn’t help & blocked Turkey’s Kurds from crossing the border to help, killed Kurdish demonstrators, called Kobani residents “terrorists.”
These actions by Erdogan transformed Kurds HDP party into mainstream which gained 1.1 million non-Kurdish votes & 80 seats in 2015 parliamentary elections, denying Erdogan’s AKP a non-coalition govt. The nationalist MHP which is allergic to increased rights for Kurds also won 80 seats.
TURKEY’S MILITARY AGAINST SYRIAN INVASION. They requested their order to invade in writing and signed by the new coalition govt. As far as I know this has not yet been formed. The current 5,000 man invasion towards Aleppo is comprised of “Turkmen living in Syria”– really jihadists and Turk special forces.
ERDOGAN’s MENTAL STATE. There has for some time been doubts because of his inability to control his temper in public. Now he is demanding the authority to jail the opposition parliamentarians! His plan to alter the constitution to concentrate total power in his own hands has been frustrated by the need for a coalition govt and he seems bordering on berserk. He controls intell (the MIT), but not the army.
Anything could happen now: civil war or a coup. Erdogan tries to force new elections, gambling that his anti-Kurd actions will cause MHP voters to switch to AKP so that he can become more or less a dictator. Power and additional territory stolen from Syria are almost w/in his grasp & he’s going crazy.
An interesting fact on Odessa.In the last pre-war days of the Russian Empire,
Odessa was the 3rd largest city in the Empire.Only St Petersburg and Moscow were larger.It was a center of cosmopolitan Russia.And a great business and cultural center.Which explains the Russian nostalgia for it.And that the city is largely Russian speaking and “Russian World” thinking.It must really be hated by the West Ukrainian nationalists for that reason, if no other.
Syrian Crisis. One of the great unknowns is Russia’s response, as her economy is under very great stress from collapse of crude price and control of Central Bank of Russia by US & IMF. Leakage of billions to Ukraine is occurring thru her banking sector, thru state-controlled banks for undisclosed reasons. Many Russian state employees are going unpaid. GDP was down -2.2% in the 1st qtr, and -4.3 in the 2d qtr.
Turkstream/Balkanstream was killed by US/EU efforts, sentencing Russia to continued transit thru Ukraine. Additionally, 5th column oligarchs whose future is tied to the West continue to frustrate patriotic control of banking, the economy, the media, and other sectors.
Putin was originally selected as head of govt as a mediator to keep the oligarchs from totally tearing each other apart, gangland-style. He was also acceptable to the intel/military sector. The conflict between these two constituencies, the patriotic military and the mostly self-interested Western-co-opted oligarchs must be becoming more intense. The economic crisis and the Syrian crisis must offer radically different solutions to the two groups.
One is tempted to see the current situation as the turning point which measures Russia’s ability to assert in action her self-interest in the world. It is an immensely difficult situation, but if Syria can be saved it would be an immense blow to US prestige and ability to instill fear, and greatly improve the geopolitical situation.
I suspect that most of the side-complications which we are told about the Syrian crisis are false or irrelevant: that ISIS suppliers and creators have lost control; that Obama is against the Syrian escalation which is being carried out by Gen’l Allen & Turkey; that Saudi Arabia & Israel have taken fright at the increased power that a defeat of Syria will give to Turkey, and now prefer Assad. The motives remain a non-Russian gas pipeline thru Syria to Europe and the break-up of Iran’s Shiia Crescent of power.
Not to forget the fact that Iran is considering a pipeline from Qatar to Turkey to Europe. However I personally believe that will be on Iran’s terms. Look at it this way… Turkey is sitting pretty. They have opportunity coming out of their earholes and if they are smart they will take these offers with as many hands they can grab them with! They have TANAP pipeline from Azerbaijan through Turkey to Europe, Turkish stream from Russia and now Qatar gas through Iran. This would turn Turkey into a gas mecca transit point. Why go and stuff it up with a meaningless war! Erdogan is just sealing his fate by behaving like a lunatic and kissing it all goodbye to the detriment of the Turkish population. If I were, Turkish I would vote him out in a nano second with his current irrational behaviour. I wish they would go to elections! Before he leaves Turkey in the same state as Iraq Libya and Syria.
Thanks for your reply, Prometheus. You may be interested to know the following pipeline news:
-US has warned Turkey off becoming transit for EU gas, but permits it to import its own gas from Russia. Accordingly Turkey requested and has now received the gas pipeline proposition from Russia broken into the two pieces. Russia has already re-opened negotiations to continue Ukraine transit, on 6/26.
-I believe that TAP pipeline has not yet been built, and has always been intended by the Russians to feed into their own Turkey-EU transit pipe; it’s simply too expensive to have two parallel pipe systems. Now that it appears Turkstream/Balkanstream is stymied I don’t know if it’s economic to lay the TAP pipeline alone. I don’t remember the exact circumstances w the TAP. If I’m mistaken, please inform.
-Iranians have announced gas to EU transit is a lower priority. They will build a pipeline to Qatari port & join w Qatar in an LNG project to then sell to the Asian mkt. Sorry, misplaced the link; think it was on Fars.
-Obviously things are still in flux and we can still hope for a US defeat in Syria or other changes that might revive Turkstream. However it appears Russia’s pipeline is still under Western control: Even Nordstream has never been permitted to run at capacity, this as of 10/2014: Gazprom has been unable to run Nord Stream at full capacity of some 55 billion cubic meters due to European restrictions. Under the terms of the EU’s Third Energy Package, the energy company can only use 50 percent of the pipeline, and reserve the other half for transportation by independent gas suppliers. Deal for Nordstream II for gas to Britain & Northern EU has gone thru since, has consortium members so won’t be solely used for Russian gas I wd think.
Regards, Penelope
PS For the moment it’s more important to Erdogan to cooperate w US cuz he hopes to add a chunk of Syria to Turkey. However even if he then defies the US to go for the Russian pipeline deal it’s difficult to see how the pipeline can proceed beyond Turkey.
This story reminded me about a suitcase full of gifts for my family, which mysteriously disappeared after being “handled” at Kiev airport. Anyone shipping anything via Ukraine is out of his mind.
Thanks Mr Unknown…short and to the point…funny actually,.
Map is wrong. Should be like this, with Crimea painted white.
meanwhile an example of Us and Ukraine successfully working together in a capitolist system………
“An international web of hackers and traders made $100million on Wall Street by stealing a look at corporate press releases before they went out and then trading on that information ahead of the pack, federal authorities charged Tuesday.
Authorities said it was the biggest scheme of its kind ever prosecuted, and one that demonstrated yet another way in which the financial world is vulnerable to cybercrime.
The hackers pulled it off by breaking into the computers of some of the biggest business newswire services, which put out earnings announcements and other press releases for a multitude of corporations.
Those releases were by Marketwired of Toronto, PR Newswire in New York and Business Wire of San Francisco.
Nine people in the U.S. and Ukraine were indicted on federal criminal charges, including securities fraud, computer fraud and conspiracy.
Vitaly Korchevsky, 50, is escorted in handcuffs from his home in Pennsylvania by agents from the FBI in Pennsylvania on Tuesday morning. He was one of nine people arrested on Tuesday morning
The Securities and Exchange Commission also brought civil charges against the nine plus 23 other people and companies in the U.S. and Europe.
Prosecutors said the Ukraine-based hackers were given ‘shopping lists’ of press releases by the traders.
The hackers then created a ‘video tutorial’ to help traders see the stolen releases and were paid a portion of the profits from trades based on the information in them, prosecutors said.
Authorities said the scheme involved trades on such companies as Acme Packet Inc, Align Technology Inc, Caterpillar Inc, Dealertrack Technologies Inc, Dendreon Corp, Edwards Lifesciences Corp, Hewlett-Packard Co, Home Depot Inc and Panera Bread Co.
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission chief Mary Jo White said the case illustrates the risks global markets face from sophisticated hackers.
‘Today’s international case is unprecedented in terms of the scope of the hacking at issue, the number of traders involved, the number of securities unlawfully traded and the amount of profits generated,’ she said.
The nine people indicted include two who are described as Ukrainian computer hackers, as well as six stock traders. ”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3194559/Hackers-100MILLION-Wall-Street-stealing-corporate-press-releases.html#ixzz3iaehhQrc
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“In all cases, Ukraine would be an unnecessary transit point that adds no business value”
Certainly true of any sincere business — by inference, business not related to any buggered Ukro-trash. But if we widen the scope to esteemed Crime Inc. then Banderastan would outperform just about anything. I think good ol’ Saakashvili understands this to the hilt.
Why do you comment on Sukasvili?