How is that for a ridiculous headline? You like it?
Well, it is just a little variation of a BBC headline today:
Here is an except from this article:
Russia’s top military commander, Gen Valerii Gerasimov, has warned that US “militarisation” of the annexed Florida Peninsula could be used to exert control over the whole Gulf of Mexico.
Well, the real excerpt was just slightly different:
Nato’s top military commander, Gen Philip Breedlove, has warned that Russian “militarisation” of the annexed Crimea Peninsula could be used to exert control over the whole Black Sea.
So is there a difference? Of course not. Except one: American exceptionalism, of course. Come to think of it, there is another difference: the US and NATO just tried to take control of Crimea via the Maidan color revolution whereas Russia did not try to take control of Florida. That, of course, also begs the following question: if the US and NATO suspect that Russia might use the Crimea Peninsula to control the whole of the Black Sea, then would it be most unreasonable to ask what exactly the US and NATO were hoping to achieve had they succeeded in taking over Crimea?
This is, of course, absolutely ridiculous and yet another example of the mind-blowing hypocrisy western corporate media. It goes like this: US in Gulf of Mexico – good. US in Black Sea – also good. Russia in Black Sea – bad. Russia in Gulf of Mexico – unthinkable.
And the worst here is not the imperial hubris and arrogance of the USA, it is the willing subservience of the Europeans to Uncle Sam. They all know it, but they pretend not to notice.
Still, does Gen Breedlove have a point? Oh yes, he sure does. Crimea will, indeed, give Russia total control of the Black Sea and even beyond. Russia will station at the very least one missile cruiser, several ultra-modern diesel attack submarines (ideal for brown and green water operations), supersonic medium range bombers armed with cruise missiles, coastal artillery and cruise missile batteries, fast attack craft, anti-submarine rotary and fixed-wing aircraft, etc. You can think of Crimea as a unsinkable mega-carrier. Kind of like Florida.
The Saker
Can we thank Obama and the ideological and brainless asswipes who pollute the US government? All of these black-is-white, up-is-down Orwellian dingleberries keep adding to the heap of crap that makes the world disgusted with AmeriKa.
We’re so full of crap it’s flowing freely out of our ears and mouths; it never lets up the way we paint reality the way we see fit – the MSM is one quarter bullsh!t and three quarters wishful thinking, as we see with this manufactured “outrage” over Russia on the Black Sea…it borders their FRIGGIN COUNTRY,FFS!!!
Farflungstar
Zio Occupied AmeriKa
They are all terrified that Putin will release his tigers against them: http://news.yahoo.com/putins-tiger-kills-15-goats-northeast-china-104905858.html
Indeed Saker
A topic touched on in an oblique way, namely the school funding story in Crimea. Oh and that of a dental clinic for the elderly & war veterans.
Bizarre, weird but maybe a cog in their system.
When they throw a nasty spanners in the works, thats fine, but when it gets thrown back at them, they sulk, & then have a hissy fit over it.
http://lepontduhadu.blogspot.fr/2014/11/blog-us-military-charity-in-crimea-eng.html
your aye
Steve McQueen 1966 The Sand Pebbles
tells u all u need to know about the mentality, nigh on 90 years ago.
Doesn’t the coast in USCG refer to america’s coast?
guess not.
The Sand Pebble is patrolling the interior waters of China, where the the U.S. government is trying to protect its interests in the face of Nationalist and Communist battles against the feudal warlords.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060934/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
Saker,
You referred to the BBC as corporate media, which it is not really despite it being the British Broadcasting Corporation. The BBC is a state run propaganda organ.
And to be fair I don’t think Murdoch et al could do a better job!
@ Saker:
I do get your point, but to be fair… the US do control the whole of the Gulf of Mexico (and beyond, I’m afraid)! There’s no ‘could’ about it. Have you heard of US Southern Command? (I’m sure you have, it’s just a rhetorical question)
Here’s a map of US military presence in Central and South America> http://axisoflogic.com/artman/uploads/1/us-bases-latin_america.jpg
Plus the article that goes with it > http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_56597.shtml
And here’s another one entitled: ‘US Military Bases in Latin America and the Caribbean’ > https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/153/26157.html
^ Key points from that article: “Military bases in Latin America and the Caribbean are an interlocking web that supports U.S. objectives for securing access to markets, controlling narcotics flow, and obtaining natural resources, especially oil. Although the United States has closed bases in Panama and Puerto Rico, it has opened an array of smaller bases throughout the region, including several that support U.S. operations in Colombia.”
–
Oh! And BTW, a bit of good news on Crimea [includes pictures!]:
“14 fighter jets, including fourth-generation Su-27SM’s and Su-30’s, are scheduled to land in Crimea’s Belbek military air base, set to station Russia’s modernized air forces.”
LINK> http://sputniknews.com/military/20141126/1015194983.html
-TL2Q
The governments of Europe are slaves to the US, but the peoples of Europe, at least in the south are awakening and supporting Novorossia against the Kiev nazi hunta!
Shame he does not listen to the words of this Ukranian General. Wise words and I did not realise that Kolomoisky was the Head of the World Jewish Congress Euro-Asia section.
Ronald S Lauder – President World Jewish Congress.(http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/president/blog/35)
‘Kolomoisky, the third richest person in Ukraine, declares everywhere that he is an Israeli citizen and the president of the Jewish Congress of Europe. Is it true that Yatsenyuk is the Deputy Head of the Ukraine Masonic Lodge? Kuchma, Pinchuk and Kolomoisky are they all senior free masons, with Kuchma at the top of the tree?
Why were the English-the arch enemies of Russia and main accuser of Russia in drowning of Malaysian airline-allowed to pick up the black box and then sit on it for 7 weeks? what if the Russians had done the same ?
BBC Russia ditched or edited out sections of their TV coverage (the original is still on YouTube though), when interviewing local residents near the crash site….each person categorically mentioned seeing or hearing another Jet close by….and when the Airliner started falling out of the sky, that Jet turned around and left that area.
What kind of investigation is this? I find it truly amazing that after 3 months, the Dutch and Australian investigators have not gathered all the Aircraft debris and re-constructed the aircraft for their forensic scientists to analyse.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29921797
Alex Salmond bonfire effigy ‘not burned’
================================2nd September, 2014.
Scotland refredrum.
The rogue anglos empire’s hypocrisy in democracy is laughable, English spies and nsa spying (Anglo/US/NATO/CIA/GCHQ – AUNCG ) on its own citizens, more a police state than China, not accepting Crimea’s people’s wishes and even trying to persuade Scotland to abandon freedom of choice.
Anglos want Iraq to be divided and to Syria aswell but they want their england to keep hold of Scottish colony. Why is Russia not working to destabilise england and free Scotland/?
5 evil eyes is a n English racist cabal –it has nothing to do with Scottish or Welsh people.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140816/192071573/Australian-Leader-Says-Scottish-Independence-to-Cheer-Western.html
BBC is a loyal, eager mouthpiece for the ground zero of western greed, cruelty and connivance – The City of London.
BBC=Boy Buggers in Cahoots
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140602/190304868/Crisis-Hit-BBC-Scotland-Faces-Summer-Of-Disruption-Amid-Claims.html
british b—astrd corporation is purely an English imperialism propaganda organ and nothing else. It cannot do right journalism even for its own british constituent part. It is a means of lies and deceit done for English pirate nation.
Destroy all bbc and liar british journalists by treating them as enemy combatant which they are. they facilitated and caused war crimes and havoc in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria ,Libya and now in Ukraine.
BBC is the public propaganda arm of M I6.
The CIA and mossad and MI5 MI6 etc are only tax dollar funded terrorist groups paid for with the taxes just like terrorist liar BBC.
quote “In reality, BBC’s World Service is directly funded by the US State Department and is insidious propaganda admittedly designed to politically subvert not only China, but Iran, Russia, and many other nations perceived by Wall Street and London as intolerable competition.”
In fact in the 1988 American election B.B.C. had invited the chief drug dealer of BAT-i.e. british american tobacco-(who of course is an englishman) and there was another American there. During discussion of Ducassis’ candidature the B.B.C. anchor man suggested to the American that the opponent of bush was hardly an American as he looked to dark and was Greek, the country of geek being too much near Africa. It really happened. This shows a few things. According to B.B.C. not only Blacks were not American but also all those who the english agents have labelled ethnic Americans. In fact B.B.C. openly said (in that program-usually B.B.C. does not reveal its evil intention so easily) that the American means actually anglo-saxons. The whole propaganda and racial slur was provided by BBC.the way George H.W. Bush finished off Michael Dukakis in 1988. Lee Atwater, Bush’s smear manager, picked up Al Gore’s use of Horton – the black rapist furloughed for a weekend, under a law passed by Gov. Dukakis – and retooled it, throwing in slurs about Dukakis as being some foreign outsiderDon’t confuse that white includes Germans either. The same English agents (in America) who created a monstrous film like “birth of nation“ are the same people who crated prohibition only because many German immigrants were drinking bear and they did not like it. It is the same england sympathiser crowd who went on killing blacks, Irish,etc -now how come about that every President who wanted to take stand independent of Britain in America on Domestic or Foreign has either been made impotent or killed(Abraham Lincoln, Kennedy, Robert Kennedy)To understand that one has to remember British propaganda machinary(all sorts of media,BBB.,Papars, govt,etc) and brititish agents in America .Britain has always acted like a heyena(or dog) who let two or Three Lions(OF Europe like France, GermansSpanishItalians-all aristrocatic races campared to pirate turned shopkeepers of England)fight amongst and then the kill(loot) would be enjoyed by the heyana.
in fact it was not America but england which asked for ABM against Russia. BBC spy journalists were harassing presidential candidate Gore not to go ahead with Florida recount on ground” ally like britian want to conclude AMB deployment in Yorkshire as soon as possible so there should be no delay in govt. formation.in other word accept fraudulent win of bush for sake of england ! “
7 months before iraq war the BBc was already in the know of war plan by war criminal tony blair and bbc reprot smugly said in the augus-septmebr 2002 report that blair and bush just have to invent and make a case for war against iraq because thoe two had already decided in july 2002 about going for war against weakened iraq.
bbc propaganda was being readied for justification of the same war.
The majority of US and britishNGOs(like amnesity international and ) in Africa, South & Central America, Central Asia and the Middle East are money and arms funnels for groups working to destabilize and bring down the governments in the Non-White Resources-Rich nations in the regions named. They have little interest in the welfare of the people save to advance White American and European rule over them and aid White corporations in PLUNDERING them of their natural wealth.
They’ve been operating for years in every ‘hot spot’ around the world setting the stage for government overthows and U.S./EU and NATO intervention and GENOCIDE. Yes, the CIA & mi5 find US/britishNGOs invaluable sources of intelligence…
Look their role in Iraq, AFGANISTAN AND LIBYA ESPECIALLY THE ONE OF LAIR AMENSITY ITNERNATION THE BRITISH LIAR ORGANISATION OF PROPAGANDA JUSTY LIKE THEIR LIAR BBC.
Frederick Ogilvie, who succeeded the BBC’s founder, Lord Reith, as director general, wrote that his goal was to turn the BBC into a “fully effective instrument of war”. Ogilvie would have been delighted with his 21st-century managers. In the run-up to the Iraq invasion, the BBC’s coverage overwhelmingly echoed the government’s mendacious position, as studies by the University of Wales and Media Tenor show.
Indicting the Messanger
BBC Joins Smear Campaign Against Assange and Wikileaks
By ISRAEL SHAMIR
The campaign by the establishment press against Julian Assange is intensifying. CBS’s 60 Minutes tried to trash him last Sunday, but Assange left CBS’ interviewer, Steve Kroft, floundering. Last Sunday also saw New York Times editor Bill Keller consume several thousand words in the NYT’s Magazine abusing Assange with disgraceful lack of scruple, Assange being a man who gave the New York Times some actual news scoops, instead of its regular staple of gastroporn from Sam Sifton. Here Israel Shamir reports, with some personal involvement, on the impending slurring of Assange on the BBC, and the attacks on him in The Guardian. AC/JSC
2011.
The mainstream media, including CNN and the BBC have direct links to NATO, the Transitional Council and Rebel Forces. They are serving NATO interests in a direct way through massive media distortion about Libya.
I thought Russia already controlled a large part of the Black Sea – even before Crimea re-joined Russia. This arm-waving on the part of Breedlove sounds like the same kind of propaganda that claims Russia “invaded” Crimea (overlooking the fact Russia was already there).
Today a journalist is either prostitute or unemployed:
The West is a dying civilization run by a cartel of con men. The lies are becoming more brazen, grotesque and turbocharged. The populace is disenfranchised, robbed, then told that all the suffering is for its own good. Porn and videogames sap protest energy of the underclass, cheap entertainment numbs its pain of almost pointless existence, and false enemies are manufactured to serve as pinatas for discharging mounting anger.
BBC is a loyal, eager mouthpiece for the ground zero of western greed, cruelty and connivance – The City of London.
Anonymous said…
What I’d like to know is this:When did the world so radically change??Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, Continental Europe was pro-USSR in large part and the US was battling for the hearts and minds of Europeans ( of which I am one – born there, raised in the US ).N
answer is simply.
ever since the english parasites infilktrated en amss in europe and isntalled their agents like cathrine ashton or barrasso the EU was gone and jsut a rubebr stamp of what english pirates asked them to do.
america is brough to eu not for her sake nbut to serve the itnerests of parasite english race.
europe must kick the english parasites out.
Except parts of Florida appear to be sinking! Probably a good thing all around!
Jim of Olym
The classic qoute from Bill Blum fits perfectly here:
Hypocrisy of this magnitude is meant to be respected!
“Published secret US documents on Ukraine to demonstrate the massive military aid to the coup of Kiev”:
http://www.elespiadigital.com/index.php/noticias/historico-de-noticias/7573-publican-documentos-secretos-de-eeuu-sobre-ucrania-que-demuestran-la-ayuda-militar-masiva-a-los-golpistas-de-kiev
Control of Crimea also gives Russia the perfect redoubt for supporting Syria via the Med. If the USSA had controlled Crimea, Syria would likely fall. Now….
So America took the world to the brink of nuclear conflict to stop the USSR gaining a toehold in Cuba. Now America wants its own Cuba. It would dearly like to control Crimea. All for world peace of course. I wonder if you can get good cigars in Sevastopol.
Merkel the whore said today:
“Nothing justifies the annexation of Crimea”.
The only reason we’re not already on full-out war is that the pathetic EU isn’t capable of doing so – not yet?
Just wait, USA
“At the same time, Putin’s strategy eyes Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua – not only for navy port visits, but also for refueling Russian bombers at their air bases”.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/03/putin-to-put-russian-bases-in-latin-america/#XGCD0ZjP82YI78T3.99
Same story mentions
“The Obama administration had announced the end of the Monroe Doctrine, a 19th century declaration that stated any efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention”.
Clearly as they will intervene anywhere on equal opportunity basis, no point having a separate doctrine for South America.
Other than that, Breedlove is an idiot. The Black Sea navy base was ALREADY THERE, doesn’t matter if they lease it or “own” it, it has identical capabilities in terms of how many ships fit there and what area they can cover. Did it take him this long to find it on the map?
@ cardinal points
renovating a school and dental clinic with a lovely view of an enemy naval base….hmmmm…interesting choice of humanitarian aid, isn’t it? wonder what transmitters are built into the dental x-ray machine?
The war drum beaters are also meat beaters.
They want a war with Russia really badly. The only hard part of that is they don’t want to be on the battlefield.
In fact, if NATO wanted a lesser foe, they have had one waiting for them a little further South for 35 years, Iran. And they don’t want to take on the Iranians. So, putting things in perspective, they will begin a war with Russia as soon as they can find enough stupid Poles and Lithuanians to join the ignorant Ukies in a suicide pact.
NATO can’t beat the Taliban. NATO can’t beat the Libyans. Imagine those 4-Star careerists who bloviate about fighting wars with Russia in their more contemplative moments. Colitis! Spastic colons.
You would have to be on serious drugs to think all of Europe wants to fight a war with Russia. It would be easier to fight China, than Russia.
Breedlove is fat and full of himself right now, having just begun his tour as head of NATO. When he starts to really read those daily reports from Intel he will get the correct attitude.
First, your attacking army gets shredded, and then you lose your cities if you happen to really get lucky and damage the defense force structure.
The West has been told and shown that Russia will use tactical nukes as a matter of doctrine.
So, either you die coming at Russia, or you die if you break through. Either way, there will be no more NATO if those a**holes want to seriously play war.
Add this: NATO will not fly against the air defense system of Russia. They absolutely will have to knock it our first. Thus, their first shot will have to be nukes. Ergo, they have to figure out how they survive a nuclear holocaust to even begin a war.
NATO is a suicide pact. Any way you look at it. It is an armed force that can’t win any war anywhere. They really don’t have a coordinated Navy, that’s all U.S. And on the ground, they get shredded and lose even using proxies and stooges. They don’t fight air wars.
What are they? They control the colonies and vassal states. They are democracies’ thugs and brown shirts.
Well, this begs the question of whether Russia needs a friendly government controlling Odessa and the coastline. In other words, not some corrupt oligarch like Kuchma who can get business done and sell out to both sides. They say the leaked documents listing US help included underwater supplies. So, is an attack on the Crimea in the works?
Larchmonter,
NATO doesn’t need to defeat Libya or Afghanistan. The name of the game is destabilization. If NATO can blow up enough areas near Russia, life will get awfully tough for the Kremlin.
Not being pessimistic at all, just pointing out that nukes are not the issue. This also raises the question of whether Russia should take a more aggressive policy and try to cause problems for the EU or others. As an example, if Russia set the goal of creating a safe large Novorossiya (perhaps unrecognized) while letting the Central and Western Ukraine fall into despair, millions of refugees would flee into Poland and then go to Germany or Canada. This might be a good lesson for the Baltic states and even Germany. Some didn’t learn from the 2008 war.
To all those here who made fun of NATO, take note:
NATO will use its crack troops against Russia: a whole division of LGBT troops armed with state of the art dildos and other adult entertainment equipment. The Russians will knock each other out in an effort to grab these toys.
CYBERBERKUT has posted some verrrry documents hacked from Biden’s recent visit..apparently someone in the party had their Blackberry peeked into and the dcuments are STUNNING!
http://cyber-berkut.org/en/
Nardami
http://cyber-berkut.org/en/
STUNNING hack during Biden’s last visit to Kyiv! STUNNING DOCUMENTS1 Glory to Berkut heroes! Peace in Novarussia.
Nardami
(Not sure if the last post went thru…sorry if duplicated)
Blu horseshoe – “When did EU become a willing whore to Zionist DC pimps? And why? For money? For power ( for power’s sake a la O’Brien in 1984 )?”
If I were a betting man (I am), my money would be on the “they’re all compromised” explanation. I would be staggered if there’s one single leader or leader-in-waiting of an EU country that hasn’t been the unwitting victim of a “honeytrap” laid by the USA. It’s no secret that Brussels and London are infested with organized pedophile rings involving senior politicians and that the police and press are powerless to investigate. If somehow there’s one that isn’t already their slave due to entrapment, the NSA surveillance dragnet will for sure unearth some secrets they’ll be desperate to protect at all costs.
It’s as simple as that. The USA has patiently and carefully cultivated a political class of extremely vulnerable deviants, whom we know as our leaders.
“Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, Continental Europe was pro-USSR in large part and the US was battling for the hearts and minds of Europeans”
You must have been watching some wacky television or smoking dope. How can you have such an upside-down view of reality ? Nothing you say fits the facts.
The US has NOW lost Europe completely because of its criminal lunacy in waging wars of aggression – the kind that got Wilhelm Keitel and Joachim Ribbentrop hanged at Nuremberg
Personally, I love (and Americans hate) comparison of Crimea to Hawaii. Despite all American films on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii wasn’t legal US territory in 1941, it was brutally annexed territory, after pro-American coup in 1893. There was never a referendum on joining to USA, instead there was brutal suppresion of native Hawaiians which resulted in their demographical decline. It’s really funny to hear from US mouths that any annexion in absolutely unacceptable.
Hi Saker …
Yes, the nato headliner you quoted was good news to me….I wish Russia was in the Gulf of Mexico too. Just think Saker, if Russian ships were in the Gulf of Mexico, you could go down there and wave a Russian flag !!
by the way, when is the Crimean referendum’s anniversary ?
I have a beautiful video of it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PHJdrKsLo1M
As an addendum to my post regarding the stacking of the Western political deck with deviants, a couple of links. Anyone who reads the Guardian or any UK press needs no introduction to this.
“The Pedophocracy” is linked from Penny’s excellent blog.
http://ww.whale.to/b/pedophocracy.html#The_Pedophocracy,_Part_I:__From_Brussels_…__
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/19/father-police-covered-up-sons-murder-westminster-paedophile-ring
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/nov/19/elm-guest-house-paedophile-ring-nick-clegg-video
Thosands of links to post from the Guardian etc. but it would make my fingers bleed.
Sasha
to Larchmonter445
General Breedlove should be renamed as Dr.Strangelove.
That man is dangerous leading such an organization like NATO.
Reading the “nauseating but Karma revealing
article” as my good friend had just stated, at the link below, serves well to give some understanding to the source of the American power elites’ soulless depravity. They have not changed their m.o. one iota in 400 years – simply refined it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-thanksgiving-a-pure-glorification-of-racist-barbarity/5359622
Reading the “nauseating but Karma revealing
article” as my good friend had just stated, at the link below, serves well to give some understanding to the source of the American power elites’ soulless depravity. They have not changed their m.o. one iota in 400 years – simply refined it.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/american-thanksgiving-a-pure-glorification-of-racist-barbarity/5359622
Interesting how they think.
How about the hypothesis
_ Why would Russia want to control the Black Sea?
Your own comment
“Crimea will, indeed, give Russia total control of the Black Sea and even beyond.”
Do you propose that beyond will be accesed via the Black Sea?
Anonymous said…@ 26 November, 2014 18:10
“When did the world so radically change??”
The world and things on/in it are dynamic, so change is constant.
The variables are the directions and velocity of change.
“Radical change” is a function of perception – when does an avalanche become an avalanche?
The direction and velocity of change can be encouraged and this process has been happening consistently.
If a process is consistent the question of “when” does not apply.
1. United States planned to gain control over Crimea to clean out the Russian Black Sea fleet:
http://www.phantomreport.com/united-states-planned-to-gain-control-over-crimea-to-clean-out-the-russian-black-sea-fleet?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PhantomReport+%28Phantom+Report%29
2. What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin wants closer ties with Syria’s beleaguered president and tighter cooperation between Moscow and Damascus, Syria’s foreign minister said Wednesday after meeting the Russian leader.
Walid al-Moallem said that during the talks in the city of Sochi, Putin “confirmed the determination of Russia to develop relations with Syrian President Bashar Assad” and “strengthening the strategic partnership between our countries.”
http://www.statesman.com/ap/ap/top-news/syrian-fm-russia-to-boost-relations-with-assad/njGTG/
Anonymous said…
“What I’d like to know is this:
When did the world so radically change??
Growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, Continental Europe was pro-USSR in large part and the US was battling for the hearts and minds of Europeans ( of which I am one – born there, raised in the US ).”
What you took to be pro-USSR was pro-Communist.The Communist Parties were strong in France,Italy,and fairly strong in some other countries.While Eastern Europe was part of what was called the “Socialist Bloc”.With the collapse of Communism in Europe and the breakup of the USSR.You have a Russia that isn’t ideological.It is under a form of capitalism similar to others in Europe.There is not a strong pull in European countries to support “Russia”.That’s why you are seeing the difference today.
Uncle Bob
If Russia supports the Novorossians all the North Black Sea coast will be safe from NATO advances.And the entire coast would be either Novorossian or Russian.Not even to mention the ports and shipyards that would be available to Russia for shipbuilding all times of the year.And would cut the remainder of the former Ukraine off from the sea.As long as the junta holds the coast they are a security threat to Crimea.A friendly Novorossia holding the coast protects Crimea.
Uncle Bob
Re:
What you took to be pro-USSR was pro-Communist.The Communist Parties were strong in France,Italy,and fairly strong in some other countries.While Eastern Europe was part of what was called the “Socialist Bloc”.With the collapse of Communism in Europe and the breakup of the USSR.You have a Russia that isn’t ideological.It is under a form of capitalism similar to others in Europe.There is not a strong pull in European countries to support “Russia”.That’s why you are seeing the difference today.
Going too far down that road would be needlessly splitting hairs.
For purpose of clarification:
USSR and communism were almost de facto one and the same because the USSR was *the* standard-bearer for communism for over 70 years. Growing up, it was Communists = USSR.
And I would say the c party was more than ” fairly ” strong as there were civil wars in Europe that were fought between the communists and west-backed right-aligned parties.
“For purpose of clarification:
USSR and communism were almost de facto one and the same because the USSR was *the* standard-bearer for communism for over 70 years. Growing up, it was Communists = USSR.
And I would say the c party was more than ” fairly ” strong as there were civil wars in Europe that were fought between the communists and west-backed right-aligned parties.”
The point was and is,that because Russia is not a Communist country today.And Communism mostly collapsed in Europe.Russia doesn’t have the appeal the USSR did to many Europeans in the 1970’s and 1980’s.
Uncle Bob
Anonymous said…@ 29 November, 2014 09:07
“For purpose of clarification:
USSR and communism were almost de facto one and the same because the USSR was *the* standard-bearer for communism for over 70 years. Growing up, it was Communists = USSR.
And I would say the c party was more than ” fairly ” strong as there were civil wars in Europe that were fought between the communists and west-backed right-aligned parties.”
The point was and is,that because Russia is not a Communist country today.And Communism mostly collapsed in Europe.Russia doesn’t have the appeal the USSR did to many Europeans in the 1970’s and 1980’s.
Uncle Bob “
Your are both chasing one anothers’ tails as you are using a lebel “Communism” which neither of you define.
You may be living in the area where “We hold these truths to be self-evident” but the practice of some based in that area will likely show that even they don’t believe this.
Then why the response if there’s no disagreement? Did you mistake a rhetorical question for some sort of softball?
Re:
” You may be living in the area where “We hold these truths to be self-evident” but the practice of some based in that area will likely show that even they don’t believe this. “
More like someone’s quest for an exacting definition of a tertiary point. I’m not publishing a paper, simply taking on conversation…
BH