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Qasem Soleimani killing: Likely reactions from Iran and Iraq

9641 Views January 03, 2020 Speeches, Statements and Interviews The Saker

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  1. Anon on January 03, 2020  ·  at 11:46 am EST/EDT

    Its simple,the Iraqi Parliament has to rescind US invitation and legally stop any supplies being offloaded at Basra port. Without sea supply line trumps planned US occupation of the unlimited Kirkuk oilfields will be dead. The only supply will be via Turkey then, which the Parliament can block too.

    • Tom Welsh on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:11 pm EST/EDT

      The Iraqi government should also enjoin all loyal Iraqi citizens to boycott the USA altogether. Don’t work for them, don’t trade with them, don’t talk to them. Ignore them completely.

  2. Tom Welsh on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:46 pm EST/EDT

    The interviewer asked Dr Dorsey “why not” kill General Solemaini.

    That was the point at which I understood that I was watching a wholly alien, inhuman, hellish mentality at work.

    How many reasons would she like?

    1. It’s ethically wrong to murder a human being.
    2. It’s illegal to murder a senior officer of a sovereign government with which the USA is not at war.
    3. It’s practically imbecilic to give the Iraqi government all the justification it needs to sweep all the Yanks out of Iraq.
    4. It’s inhuman, monstrous, and utterly unchristian.

    • Larchmonter445 on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:52 pm EST/EDT

      In war, there is no moral right or wrong. No ethics.

      She merely posed the logical question regarding the war between two nation-states.

      Don’t blame her for being a good questioner.

      Note the response. Is he like she for answering?

      I think she was excellent. So, too Dorsey and his answers.

      No froth, no fake news.

      • Tom Welsh on January 03, 2020  ·  at 1:04 pm EST/EDT

        There is no war. Regardless of how the USA chooses to ignore international law (and its own laws and constitution) no state of war exists until declared. Iran has not declared war on the USA; the USA has not declared war on Iran. Therefore no war exists, and moral right and wrong do prevail. (Or should).

        If you prefer to accept the American view, there is no distinction between war and peace and all states are always at war with all other states. Then international law means nothing.

        • Larchmonter445 on January 03, 2020  ·  at 1:19 pm EST/EDT

          You choose to not see and that’s okay.

          • Augusto on January 03, 2020  ·  at 2:50 pm EST/EDT

            You choose to justify that something that, if established , would mean the end of human relations common ground and of sheer simple daily understanding

      • jiri on January 04, 2020  ·  at 9:05 am EST/EDT

        “In war, there is no moral right or wrong. No ethics. ”

        Not true. Even in war humans try and live by certain ethical principles.

        Not killing an envoy is one such principle. Suleimani was Iran’s envoy to Iraq, supposedly a US ally.

        By killing Suleimani the US has announced that it has reached a state of desperation and reached an ethical nadir.

        The Empire is finished. The US has lost any last bit of moral standing that it may have had.

  3. Larchmonter445 on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:48 pm EST/EDT

    Excellent analysis. calm. fact-filled.

    Iran must wage a “war” that is visibly by their hand, plausibly deniable, and in many stages of escalation (for the US will surely hit back, hard at vital assets.

    Trump loves transactional malice. This is his kind of “war”. And he has the media and international high ground of Hegemony and Unipolarity.

    The duel should have been Soleimani vs Trump. However, that was never going to be the match. The General was always going to be slain.

    The question is did the General just entrap the US in a snare baited with his own mortal being?
    If so, he will be the Victor at the end.

    • Rick on January 04, 2020  ·  at 3:24 pm EST/EDT

      …”did the General just entrap the US in a snare baited with his own mortal being?
      If so, he will be the Victor at the end.” It is possible… Real martyrs are able of admirable gestures…

  4. Tom Welsh on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:50 pm EST/EDT

    Dr Dorsey declared that the murder of General Soleimani (or perhaps the attacks on Iraqi personnel, or perhaps both) was “a violation of sovereignty”.

    Sixteen years after the illegal war of aggression (the supreme international crime), the invasion, the murder of over 1 million Iraqis (over 3 million since 1990), the hanging of the President, the destruction of the infrastructure, the dissolution of government, the armed forces, the police, the civil service, and most other things that support organised society, and a 16-year-long military occupation… and those few additional murders were “a violation of sovereignty”?

    That’s like saying that a person who attacks a woman, gang-rapes her repeatedly, tortures her, murders her and has repeated sex with her corpse “may be guilty of assault”.

  5. Tom Welsh on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:52 pm EST/EDT

    The US government statement said that the murders of General Soleimani and many others were “defensive” and necessary to protect US personnel abroad.

    But all those US personnel are present in Iraq (and Syria) illegally. They have absolutely no rights vis a vis the Iraqi government, which is legally entitled to expel them and, should they resist, to kill them. Just as every government has the right to compel criminals to obey its orders.

  6. Teranam13 on January 03, 2020  ·  at 12:54 pm EST/EDT

    This assassination was done by neocons to hasten the splitting up of Iraq. Iraq is dead. Long live Kurdistan, Sunnialand and Shiadom.

  7. Craig Mouldey on January 03, 2020  ·  at 1:28 pm EST/EDT

    I think it is a pipe dream to think the Iraq government can make any declaration and the U.S. will simply withdraw their troops. They have zero intention of leaving the area. They are working an agenda. They have their neo-liberal rules-based world order to establish and the time is now. It is pedal to the metal time. They want Iran and are determined to take Iran. Finding justification for more military action is easy. Any and every event or fake event will be used to justify further military action because they are responding to Iranian aggression or Iranian malign intent. All supplies to the military would have to be cut off to change this.

    • Rick on January 04, 2020  ·  at 3:35 pm EST/EDT

      Craig, the US will have to confront the Iraqui pople if they wish to remain there, and the people will be an undurmountable barrier for the US. Not everything is lost…

  8. samir sardana on January 08, 2020  ·  at 8:46 am EST/EDT

    US assassinates Solomon-I, in Iraq, in a Quasi-Shia State, in the wee hours of the morning.

    Y would a Iranian Gen – who is anti-Israel and America, fly from a Commercial/Military Airport in Iraq – when the US embassy was firebombed just a few days ago ? He would have known that all his e-signatures would be tracked by the Americans,second by second,and there would be no dearth of spies at the hangar,ATC,Airport who would ply the Americans with precise coordinates of the General’s flight patterns ?

    Surely after the US embassy bombing the Good General would have been told by his team to exit Iraq ? Could a general be so careless or foolish – that he would think that he could exit from a designated airport,after the US embassy escapade – and with another designated terrorist (designed by USA) – with makes it a double prime target – and with no collateral baggage ? In ISIS days – he was fighting with the Americans – and those days are over.

    Persian Shia’ism is not a suicide cult – it appears to be one – but it is not.So the general was misled into complacency and entrapped by some , in the Iraqi state, to take that flight – and the US embassy firebombing might also have been a false flag operation as the US troops shot no one – id.est., no firebomber was killed.But the sons of Xerxes and Cyrus cannot be so naive and foolish.The General would not have boarded that plane unless he was secured by the Russians and Tehran.2000 years ago, the Jews inserted a fake verse into the Old Testament and Talmud – to state that Cyrus was the messiah- and showed it to Cyrus – who like a fool, believed it, and rebuilt the Temple !The General had read the Torah,Talmud,Hebrew Bible and the History of the Jews and the Nassara

    CNN portrays the killing as a “Trump rash reaction” – but it is not.Ultimately,the USA will go to war with Iran – as the Americans do not trust the Persian Shias – on the N-Bomb,and the Persians do not trust the Jews or the Nassara. Soleimani was just the catalyst to push the Persians into the N- Suspension, and go full N-throttle – which is what the Persians have done – and which is what the Americans wanted.

    Iraqi govtt will kick out the US troops and the US troops will not leave – as that is what the Americans (and Kurds,Nassara,Sunnis) really want.To be precise, the Kurds,Suniis do not want the Yankii to leave – but that they be asked to leave – so that their mortal fears of living under Persian Shias is brought to the fore – for a partition of the Iraqi state

    What the Americans want is to trifurcate Iraq – which will happen inevitably post Soleimani – and which is what the Persians also seek,although the Persians would like to Shia-ise the whole of Iraq.Persian security interests are preserved by destabilising and burning Iraq to create a “sea of fire” between them and the US/Israel and satellite Hezbollahs all over the Gulf,especially encircling the Saudis (The Soleimani Doctrine).But now,they will be happy with a trifurcation

    After trifurcating Itaq the Persians will export their franchise and the brand to all Shia regions in GCC and Africa (where the USA has lesser troops and even lesser interest).Even the EU/PRC will be pleased – and this will look like an amicable solution (already crafted) – after creating a well planned disaster (assassinating Soleimani)

    There was no inpending attack by Soleimani – just lies and deception of the American state.There are many heads of Terror Groups in the Gulf who can be killed, with or w/o collateral impact – but they are never taken out – not even by Israel or ISIS (Israel Secret Intel Service).The Americans chose a Persian Shia,when the whole Sunni world hates Persia and the Persia Shian, and killed him in a Quasi Shia State – and so there is no empathy or support for the Persians – even after the assassination – not even from Russia and PRC.

    Obviously,the Russians,PRC,EU would have known – and they did not tip off the Persians and the Americans shot off 4 Hell Fire’s – and THERE WAS NO COLLATERAL PRESENCE AT THE AIRPORT AT THAT TIME. A marked man would travel in the presence of ample collateral baggage – like the Hamas and Hezb, do in Gaza – to provoke Collateral damage,and then the Christian empathy,by Amanpour on CNN

    The Persians have launched a muffled attack at a site which it knows, hosts no Americans, using missiles which have the capacity to hit US barracks,and knowing that the site hosts Iraqis – where the Iranians had ample intel and time to affix missile coordinates for the terminal descent – and they did not.The Persians used BM with intent,SO THAT THE AMERICANS could track their launch and loading and set up – AND THE AMERICANS did NOT TAKE OUT THE LAUNCHERS AND SILOS – before take off.

    The whole story stinks and if it ends with the Persian missile strike – it will stink even more.Odds are there will be more strikes by the Persians and US will make 1 strike (at least) on Persian soil – to further aggravate the Persians into the N-Bomb – and then disaster will come when either side hits civilians by plan or strategy

    A few days ago,the Iranian media mentioned the US blowing up of a Iranian Airliner long ago.Coincidentally,a NATO nation – Article 5 nation – had its commercial aircraft blown up in Tehran- with no survivors – at take off time – with all tanks full,Ukraine is a nation that Trump and the USA have sworn to protect.

    Just providence of coincidence and incidence.No one is reporting on the passenger list – surely there would no Shias on the plane.

    The Nassara do not understand 1 simple thing.For the Persians and also the Sunnis,the path to salvation and evolution, as per Shia Theology and Philosophy – goes via the Bed of Armageddon – as that is when the Mehdi will return

    As an aside, the Hindoos sent a terror-spy to Pakistan, via Iran, on the cover of a port project.The spy was busted in Pakistan.Hindoo History and Persian History shows that whenever, the Persians support the Hindoos or Indians – some disaster occurs.Soleimani supported the Indian Terror-Spy.

    The wisdom of the “children of Cyrus,Darius and Xerxes”,encapsulates the “transcendence of Human thought”, the “Deuterosis of the Dindoo”, as under:

    A “Persian dictionary”,titled “Lughet-e-Kishwari”,published in Lucknow in 1964,gives the meaning of the word Hindu as “chore [thief], dakoo [dacoit], raahzan [waylayer], and ghulam [slave].

    Evidently the Gates of Hell are ajar.In essence,the world is overpopulated.If The Indians and South East Asians (besides Thai women) were to disappear,the Garden of Eden would return.Then there are Arabs,who allow Hindoos in their nation and let them build temples in Arab nations and extol Hindoo Gods – such vermin should also die.dindooohindoo

    And then there are Muslims – who will not answer 1 simple question – Was Soleimani a Mujahid and now a Shaheed.Soleimani- the Persian,named after Solomon-the son of David-David the messiah of Israel.

    Solomon bore the Curse of Allah on the Jews – as per the Hebrew Bible – id.est the Jews are cursed by Allah,due to the sins of Solomon.

    Y did the Russians and Tehran not protect Soleimani ? They allowed him to be killed .

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