Alexander Rutskoi (Major-General of Aviation, former President and Vice-President of Russia, Hero of Russia): You know, there is that saying that if a rape is inevitable, then you should relax and enjoy it. Well, this is the kind of “enjoyment” which all of Europe is getting nowadays. I have quoted Nietzsche in the past who said “only the strong can be respected, the weak can only be pitied, and even that not always”. Now they are finally respecting Russia again and now all of these folks are shaking in fear because Russia has stood up from her knees. We have a peace-loving President, he wants to form a coalition with everybody, he always says let’s settle this issue together – but there is zero reaction on the other side. But now those who have that “zero reaction” (to Putin’s offers) now know that Russia today can also smash their faces (“дать по морде”).
Zigmund Dzencholovski (Polish journalist): I am very worried about the words I heard today from Mr. Rutskoi who said that now the world has to understand that we have reached the point were the world has to understand that “Russian can smash their faces”. This is precisely this type of Russia which we fear and this is why we are uniting.
[I just watched the exchange above take place on Russian TV. First, for clarity purposes, I should note that Mr. Dzencholovski (I am transliterating his name back into English from Russian and I don’t know the Polish spelling of his last name) reply to General Rutskoi came 30 minutes after Rutskoi made spoke the words I translated above.]
Am I the only one amazed by the fact that Mr. Dzencholovski does not even consider the option of accepting Putin’s offer to jointly solve problems and that to work together could be the best way to make sure that Poland and the EU don’t get their “faces bashed in”? Apparently, working with Russia rather than against Russia is simply unthinkable for Mr. Dzencholovski
Second, can anybody imagine a Russian saying that he is “afraid”? Russians will readily admit that they feel “threatened” by somebody or something, but “afraid”?! Hell no!
Finally, notice that the “solution” to the “Russian threat” suggested by Mr. Dzencholovski is to unite other small and equally frightened nations against Russia. He apparently does not know that Russia has defeated the “united West” not once, not twice, but no less than THREE times: against the Papacy in the so-called “Northern Crusades”, against Napoleon’s Freemasons, and against Hitler’s Nazis. Does Mr. Dzencholovski really believe that this time around that NATO and the AngloZionist Empire has more staying power than the Papacy, the Masons or the Nazis?!
From the Russian point of view, the fact that the Poles and the rest of them want to united against Russia is a clear sign of fear and weakness on their part. If Mr Dzencholovski really believes that now that he is draped in the NATO flag he “deters” Russia in any way, shape or from, he is very mistaken. By Russian standards that kind of behavior is pathetic and contemptible. As for the refusal to work with Russians, the Russians view that as a simple sign of stupidity.
The Saker
and the Polish journalist has distorted completely the words of Alexander Rutskoi… amazing how dishonest these people are…
Exactly. Journalism is the world’s second oldest profession, closely linked to the first…
As a Slav (Macedonian), I feel very much ashamed by (and for) the Poles.
But then again, I never did understand the Slavic peoples that just gave up and fell under the boots of Catholic mercenaries…so much so – to even not use one’s own alphabet (Azbuka, that is).
I think it’s a psychological thing…one brother hating the other just because deep down the hater knows that he’s wrong…it’s straight out of a Dostoevsky novel, that one is…
classic example of the Western Establishment Journalist’s preference for Fear Porn rather than Analysis.
This is the stance of one Polish journalist and not necessarily that of Poland. That being said, the same people who pull the strings in Europe have done a great job of frightening many Europeans into believing that the Russia wants to resurrect the USSR.
Sadly Russia doesn’t want to resurrect the USSR or Russian Empire.I would be happier if they did (minus the Caucasus republics, Southern Central Asia,and Baltic States).But that is “neither here nor there”.The point is that historically Russia and Poland have never been friends (both are to blame at different times).So I never expect friendship from Poland.It’s sad,they could really work well together as friends.But its not to be.
It is sad because we talk about Slavs nations… but look around what should be friendly if not brotherly relations it outright hate or suspicion- Russ-Ukraine, Slovenia, Croatia ,Serbia, Byelorussia .Only Czech and Slovaks are on friendly terms….
Czechs and Slovaks are certainly NOT on friendly terms, and that’s precisely the “Slavic Curse”. Anytime you find a New Zealander hating a Brit as much as a Bulgarian hates a Serb, or a Canadian that hates an American as much as a Ukrainian hates a Russian, I’d be all ears…but in all probability – it’s not going to happen…
We’re saddest of the sad…
Though, looking at Russia today – one does have hope…and Hope is one of the last three things remaining…
Well,
what kind of dispute do the Slovakians and Czechs have nowadays?!
They had none when they have split 20 years ago after 70 years of common state and centuries of neighboring history.
Both nations suffer under european idiocy of their corrupt pro-USA leaders. The common people consider it to be a mistake and failure to join NATO. They see that the “club of elites” (European union) is on wrong track for years already and the crush is inevitable….
The US has rejected a delegation from Russia, headed by PM Medvedev. This was intended to work out cooperative plans for defeating terrorism.
How stupid?
As Putin said, “the West’s leaders have oatmeal in their heads”.
Another Pole justifies “Polish jokes” by being one. What else can one say?
Which reminds me:
A Pole, an Israeli, and an Italian applied for a job as a journalist. The recruiter asked each one of them:
“Who killed Jesus Christ?”
The Italian replied: “The Jews did it!”
The Israeli replied: “The Romans did it!”
The Pole looked very sincere and alert as he replied: “That’s a very interesting question. Is it OK to have a period of reflection?” The recruiter accepted this, adding: “I want to see your answer by tomorrow morning at the latest”.
As the Pole came back home, his wife asked him curiously if he got the job. Totally elated, her husband proudly answered: “Absolutely unbelievable! I’ve been immediately assigned a whole damn murder investigation!”
Three NATO subjects, an Englishman, a Frenchmen, and a Pole, came to the U.S.A. together. They took the evening shuttle bus from the J.F.K. airport to the N.Y.C., where they decided to take a long stroll, to admire the Land of Freedom and its Night Life. No sooner have they approached the Central Park vicinity, when a mean mad robber accosted them, holding a syringe with a large hypodermic needle in his hand. He approaches the Englishman first: “Gimmie yer wallet or I’ll inject you with the AIDS concentrate contained in this syringe!”. Naturally, the Englishman would rather part from his wallet than get infected with AIDS, so he immediately hands him the wallet. The robber then repeats this threat to the Frenchman – who, of course, surrenders him the wallet, no problem. Now, it is the Pole’s turn: “Gimmie yer wallet or I’ll inject you with AIDS in this syringe!” quoth the robber to the Pole. But our legendarily brave Pole replies: “You are not getting anything from me! Get lost you lowly bum!” And … the robber stabs the Pole in the arm with the needle, emptying the entire syringe, and flees into the dark recedes of Manhattan.
The Englishman and the Frenchmen cannot collect themselves: “You sorry fool”, they address their dear friend the Pole, “why didn’t you simply give him your wallet? Now you are stuck with AIDS for life!”
-“Ah, no!”, retorts the heroic Pole with a triumphant smile, “I’m not infected with AIDS! I am always carrying a condom in my pocket!”
We are not talking about Poles or Czechs or even Ukrainians about thin layers of ruling elites, many of them former emigres, some with only rudimentary knowledge of their ‘native’ languages, others the most opportunistic and unprincipled of the old apparatchiki, all careerists who have sworn fealty to the US Empire and the idea of power (they share the view that only the strong are worthy of respect).
My guess is that millions of Poles, and others who formerly lived in the Warsaw Pact countries (almost all of whom enjoyed higher material living standards than their Russian peers) are ripe for reconciliation with Russia and inclined to reject the ‘west’ which has proved itself to be, so far as ordinary working folk are concerned, pretty much as advertised by Soviet agitprop.
@bevin.
True.
This categorization (and continuously mundane discussion) of people as though their nationality defines them is incredibly narrow minded (some would say infantile).
My wife recently watched a number of episodes of “The Originals” – very soon even she was fed up with the constant warring of “The Witches” versus “The Wolves” versus “The Vampires”.
I recently talked with an old chap who has lived in all continents and in many countries (including the US Pacific North West & Moscow for a number of years). I asked him if there was any truly fundamental difference in the nature of those he had met…his answer, as I had suspected, was a resounding NO.
@bevin – well said. And I believe one of the important goals of NATO’s economic (so far) war on Russia is to keep Russia weak so that any Slav nations that are now part of the EU (as second-class citizens) would not be tempted to join up with their big Slav brother to the East. As long as Russia is viewed as economically weak, the opportunistic local elites (with a few exceptions such as the Czech president Zeman) will stick with prefer to travel to Brussels than to Moscow.
As much as I’d like that to be true, I must say that I disagree…
One thing that is true for Slavs is that they hate each other (this is embroidered in folklore all over Slavic lands, often even between members of the same family) so the current situation is not the first time in history…
I strongly agree that ‘outside interference’ is in fact the key in all this, but that’s even worse…we’re being played by the ‘usual suspects’ for centuries and centuries, and have YET to wake up!
Makes me angry at times, but have learned to accept it to some extent…
It DOES always make me sad though…
This reminds me of the websayanim guardian talk chorus lines…
You remind me of Peter Robinson (MLA).
RE: the 6:28 Amanda troll
Yup, the same exact rubbish as these websayanim practiced at the guardian’s old talk board. :D
Amanda troll? LOL. Those Apple control freaks and their primitive “technology” strike again. Egotists, as well, the sods even capitalize the word Apple.
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Three similar comments within 13hrs 47 minutes, the last two in 1hr. 11 minutes.
Vehemance and phasing are interesting markers.
Thank you.
“Three similar comments within 13hrs 47 minutes, the last two in 1hr. 11 minutes.”
It would appear that many bladders are full and queues are forming.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43170.htm
It’s been two weeks since my cat, Meowly Brown, died of a carcinoma (with secondary infection), and 8 days since Panther, the black Garage kitten went missing, and I have a moment where I can divert my thoughts from the string of crises I have to handle — so a brief post:
Saker — did you hear about the seagull who ate a clown fish? It left a funny taste in it’s mouth.
Interesting fish, actually, and we can learn some things from the natural world.
“Symbiosis and mutualism
Anemonefish and sea anemones have a symbiotic, mutualistic relationship, each providing a number of benefits to the other. The individual species are generally highly host specific, and especially the genera Heteractis and Stichodactyla, and the species Entacmaea quadricolor are frequent anemonefish partners. The sea anemone protects the anemonefish from predators, as well as providing food through the scraps left from the anemone’s meals and occasional dead anemone tentacles. In return, the anemonefish defends the anemone from its predators, and parasites.[5][6]
”
While on the topic, check one of Michael Hudson’s talks about parasites and capitalism (in connection with his book , such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcIW_g8gyno
Michael Hudson, Financial Parasites, Left Forum 2014
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF17m93Bvfk
Michael Hudson: killing the host [on Max Keiser’s show)
Published on Sep 4, 2015
The left forum talk is interesting in that he emphasizes the difference between a parasite and a predator — the latter killing the host and moving on to another victim.
And then there is carcinoma: it kills not as an external parasite or predator but a perversion of the organism itself as cells grow unbounded (and also sets up conditions for opportunistic infections).
All of the political analysis seems to have parallels, perhaps even roots, in the natural world, and various analogies can be made to model situations. The US and empire is parasitical (convincing victims that it is part of the financial and political system, and predatory, attacking and destroying nations, and also cancerous, both internally as it destroys itself and externally as its ideology metastasizes. You can use any of these models (and others as well), at one time or another, or even simultaneously, to better grasp or depict the situation — but beware getting stuck in any of them since the situations are varied and fluid. In the end, any model, ideology, or belief system we employ are only models, only maps of the territory.
Getting stuck in models, beliefs, and what we think we know, is a major problem and block to intelligent critical thinking, and to sanity. Good analysis is like a scientist using a microscope, a scale, a mass spectrometer, and any number of other instruments to gather data and form hypotheses, and then forming those hypotheses within which explanatory theories seem to apply and help understanding: analysis is a fluid process. What we see in the example above of the Polish journalist, the American and EU governments, and many other actors in geopolitics — they are stuck in their thinking, and are apparently unable or unwilling to change their minds or learn anything (‘mush for brains’, as http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/10/14/vladimir-putin-to-washington-you-have-mush-for-brains/ and his linked source http://news.yahoo.com/putin-slams-us-syria-says-partners-mush-brains-113850683.html points out in Putin’s comment.
Putin took a taste of western politics and the rantings of western politicians and ‘leaders’, and it left a funny taste in his mouth — but of course. They are clowns — evil clowns: https://www.google.com/#q=evil+clowns
Meowly Brown was a better person than any of them. R.I.P.
Polish journalist? Does such exist? I thought they all worked for the Propaganda Department as copy-paste technicians. Same applies to “journalists” in Serbia, other Balkan banana-republics, the Banana Republic of Germany, Mango Republic of France and others.
In regards to your cat – I’m sorry for your loss. May she/he rest in peace.
@Daniel,
Hey man – THANKS for calling the Balkan states ‘Banana Republics’, it elevates our importance a lot!
Sadly, that now seems more of a compliment than a put-down.
We’ve managed to make our selves so insignificant – that it’s hard to be hurt by words currently.
We’ve lost our dignity – the one thing a man is never to lose!
Whenever I read that Bulgaria is having a military exercise with the Americans(!) in the Black Sea, with Russia(!) in the ‘aggressor’ role – I lose my faith in my fellow Slavic Balkan nations…
That is sad.Bulgarians turning against the one who saved them.Has deceit ever been more hideous.Well,maybe,with Ukraine it has been.But Bulgaria would certainly be high on the list.
Didn’t Stalin say that Bulgarian was not a nationality but a profession. Or was that Romania?
Hi Blue…I was wondering if you were ever coming back…I’m only guessing here…I don’t have … insider info or anything…I just recognize your obvious clues.
Hope so.
In your face SOB, but at least he, mostly, talked a lot of sense.
And here my intention was to be sweetness and light — but maybe my posts are what have to pass for that from a crotchety old fart born in the Bronx, who doesn’t expect to have that much time left? :)
Blue, is it really you? You appear much changed. . .
‘Nothing of him that doth fade, But doth suffer a sea-change, into something rich and strange’ (Tempest Act 1, scene 2) See how your analysis is now a fluid process in which all datastreams are useful, ‘for all streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. (Ecclesiastes 1-7)
Oh Blue, how lovely. . .
“Good analysis is like a scientist using a microscope, a scale, a mass spectrometer, and any number of other instruments to gather data and form hypotheses, and then forming those hypotheses within which explanatory theories seem to apply and help understanding: analysis is a fluid process.”
Perhaps useful additions to your contribution are that means condition outcomes, and that since omniscience does not exist, all data collection/evaluation techniques are flawed, and that flaws and their perception are catalysts in lateral development, although you may be of the view that the catalyst and lateral notions are subsumed in “analysis is a fluid process”.
The sea anemone protects the anemone fish
the anemone-fish defends the anemone .
God bless the protecting sea anemone
God bless the defending anemone-fish
Amen
@Anonymous/Blue
Good to see you back – just as I was going to post a ‘where is?’ on your eponymous self.
So sorry to hear about your beloved pet’s demise, but I bet he had a great life. That’s the most important thing. And, pace the (known) laws of physics, who can say what is truly ‘gone’? Even Hawkings has lost his certainty..
Great post.
Much to ponder.
Glad to have you back on the blog.
Regards, Eimar.
Following up:
Predation, parasitism, and symbiosis might be distinguished as to the expectations as to the fate of the host, and how reciprocal the actions are — and differing ideas of it according to the parties involved.
One example: the sanctions. The empire / west seemed to think that Russia was the sole beneficiary of trade, and yet it turned out not to be: it was a symbiotic relation and when trade was curtailed the west suffered equally or more than Russia.
There is also karma’, which properly understood means not some future ‘retribution’, but rather a (perhaps immediate) feedback loop in which the evil deed inflicts suffering on the perpetrator. Example: the the soldiers who fought in Iraq, or the drone pilots, who suffer dislocation and interruption in their lives, or physical or psychological damage, and the larger damage and costs to the US in costs for veterans and productive capability, as well as loss in prestige and cooperative relationship from other nations, and the economic losses from conducting war.
The various control loop analysis in cybernetics can be seen not just in terms of information feedback but also for actual transfer of material and energy, and damage to system output. The empire, by trying to act as a predator in the closed system of the planet and environment, and world community, damages itself, and by trying to act as a parasite the political and financial systems, also closed, weakens it’s own foundations, and perhaps ends up ‘killing the host’ as Hudson talks about, with no other host available.
Even symbiosis has a cost: entanglement and mutual dependency which must be maintained, albeit the benefits are supposed to outweigh the costs and create productive synergy.
Capitalism and neo-liberalism or neo-conservatism really suck at system thinking. Capitalism, for an obvious example often pointed out, depends on unlimited growth — in a finite world. Colonialism, likewise fails when other peoples run out and the empire must colonize itself (analogous to a cancer to large measure).
Even the news media suffers from this lack of system thinking (or cybernetic principles). The government or corporations control or subjugate the press, but are yet dependent upon it. Which is the parasite? But is it symbiotic, each benefiting from the relationship? Up to a point… but both depend on the populace at large, and when that ceases to function properly — economically, politically, productively, in terms of support — then the whole thing enters into collapse because the system is unsustainable. That’s one way of describing what happened to the USSR — system failure for lack of proper feedback, as well as external pressures. State capitalism works no better than private capitalism because the workers are not performing their proper role in governance, and information flow is impeded.
A competent ecologist can look at an ecosystem and see the trends, how stability is disrupted, where the evolution of the system is headed, and the probable changes and eventual collapse of the system will work out over time — and that can be done using computer modeling as an aid. But that sort of system analysis and the circuit flow of materials and energies is mostly ignored by the ‘leaders’ many of whom are barely aware that such thinking even exists, or at least beyond the immediate future. Where’s Hari Seldon when we really need him?
“the workers are not performing their proper role”
Evaluation is always a function of purpose.
The workers were performing their proper role, since they and others including the opponents were active both consciously and unconsciously in facilitating transcendence of the closed (linear) system that was imagined by Gosplan and others, sometimes referred to as the Soviet Union.
Transcendence is a lateral process not an event and so in conjunction with other factors you outline, Russia is not the Soviet Union and today is today.
I just ran into this and have not had to read it yet, but some of you might find it interesting. (A brief outline of value stream mapping is on wikipedia)
http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it/vsm_for_ukraine.htm
Governance of Economic Transitions: A Case Study of Ukraine
Andriy Sergeyev and Alfredo Moscardini
CAST (Cybernetics and Applied Systems Thinking) Centre
University of Sunderland, UK
Key words: VSM, Governance, Transition Economies, Institutional Transformations.
Abstract
Ukraine has had to change in ten years from a strong centrally controlled communist economy to a market economy. It has not been successful. This paper uses Cybernetic principles to examine the attempts at Governance over this period. Using the VSM methodology, we identified serious structural flaws in the organisation of governance at the national level and showed how this induced the formation of mutant strategies at the level of economic agents. This also allowed us to present credible explanations of phenomena such as barter, corruption, growth of overdue debts and the existence of incentives (other than profit maximizing ones) which drive the behaviour of firms. There are many explanations of the same phenomena in contemporary economic literature but our explanations are based purely on an analysis of the complexity management tasks performed at each level of recursion:- from a government to a firm. Moreover, we show that the structural specificity of a system shapes the behavioural patterns of each systemic element, whether it be a government body or a firm’s management. Therefore, the notion of structural determinism allows us to state that structure defines the dynamics of any structural change.
[…]
Genomics towards the end of statistics.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06j7xfq
Whoops…
In this VSM stands for Beer’s Viable System Model
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_system_model
Too darned many acronyms!
Blue,
And too many ‘darned’ etics, atics and otics too!
Here’s a systems-explanation us ‘plebs’ who don’t know a cyber from a sabre can at least relate to:
http://www.unz.com/mhudson/the-paradox-of-financialized-industrialization/
Cybernetics goes into more than finance, but the paper I link to (I’m about half way through a first reading) is pretty technical has some heavy lifting, and I’m having to review what I had already (sort of) learned and to look up terms (such as asset specific), but I think it’ll be worth it to understand the paper and more about cybernetics, in the terms used by the experts.
But then, the article you link to is by Michael Hudson, who is always worth listening to — and it will take a little time to understand just what he is saying there too, with the implications. Marx also takes some work to understand.
The line “His Theories of Surplus Value explained the two main forms of crises his classical predecessors had pointed to, and which the bourgeois revolutions of 1848 were fought over.” alone could take a few hours to understand if not already familiar with it. (I mostly understand the first part but don’t know about the 1848 revolutions).
Darn — seems like understanding or learning anything takes work and time. It’s such a temptation to just watch TV news and be a mushroom (and my memory circuits getting old and shorting out at times doesn’t help). Too bad I had no internet when I was a kid with a fast brain. But this guy is helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaQeEWHEf4ZxtwqYsEMDh90l6PdPtjlHF
MANAGEMENT CYBERNETICS VIDEOS/Javier Livas
by Javier Livas
52 videos
The relationship between Russia and the “West” is that between a student at school (Russia) and the school bully (the West).It’s always been that way.And sadly,it probably always will be.Every once and a while they have a fight.The bully gets beat.And for a while he leaves the other kid alone.Just taunting him at times.Then after the bully builds up his courage again he comes back for another fight.He’s not able to stand the fact that another kid can stand-up to him.The good kid can’t understand that that is just plainly the bullies nature.And keeps hoping the bully will change so they can be friends.And is constantly disappointed in that hope. The kid (Russia) just needs to accept that its not possible to be friends with the bully (the West).And always be ready for a “sucker punch” from the bully.
“Poland’s stance towards Russia: pathetic, contemptible and plain stupid”
I suggest that amongst the weaknesses of your broadcast is the conflation of some of the Polish population with all of the Polish population, and the notion that the stance of some of the Polish population was/is/will remain constant.
From a strategic point of view you apparently fail to understand that advantage can be found in whatever actions the opponents pursue, and that history does not necessarly predict present and/or future behaviours and/or performance.
You appear to wish to dispel ideological views by the citing of “history”, and preclude understanding through an incantation of “pathetic, contemptible and plain stupid” imposing your own framing whilst not being cognisant of the opponents’ framing, perhaps expecting the opponents to accept your framing.
That is generally the practice of the opponents and hence it is unlikely to facilitate the transcendence of the opponents.
RE: the 7:07 anon.
A pole troll, very original. :D
Translation of that gaseous spiel:
How dare you criticize the well documented, collective stupidity of our devout Catholic nation.
“A pole troll, very original. :D”
I am unfortunately unable to commend you for your originality or level of comprehension, but thank you for broadcasting a hologram of your own expectations since all datastreams are useful.
Thank you.
Gee golly gosh, justthetalk.com’er, you’ve left me totally crestfallen. I’ll have to fall on my sword (well, the longest knife I can find in the kitchen) now. There simply is no other alternative left.
Golly gosh – another interesting post from “everyone’s a troll who doesn’t believe as I do”.
The comments on this thread are mostly all symptomatic of why we should regress to the pond – tak first.
“Am I the only one amazed by the fact that Mr. Dzencholovski does not even consider the option of accepting Putin’s offer to jointly solve problems and that to work together could be the best way to make sure that Poland and the EU don’t get their “faces bashed in”? Apparently, working with Russia rather than against Russia is simply unthinkable for Mr. Dzencholovski.”
You shouldn’t be amazed, Saker. I myself was having a really good time for a couple of years over at the now defunct blog (a total asylum, in fact) of Kim “La Russophobe” Zigfeld. More specifically, a Catholic boarding school mis-educated Pshek who proudly proclaimed that Russia was a basket case that nobody cared about and yet went totally bonkers when I correctly pointed out that Russia was the only thing he cared about adding the backhanded compliment that I took this utter imbecile for a highly intelligent Pshek.
Verdict: The only admirable, honourable Pole in modern history that I know of is Felix Dzerzhinsky.
maybe russia’s “partners” should stop smashing their own heads against brick walls or against the points of certain cruise missiles whilst supporting installation , training and proliferation of USA missiles and how to use them by sitting on the points of these…………there are some that seem to “partners” but I haven’t checked which countries, politicians, that aren’t called partners…………..
The USA have – if only subconsciously – realized long ago that they won’t be able to win a “fair” war against Russia.
Their only chance is throwing huge mercenary armies like ISIS and Al-Qaida (paid with freshly printed dollars) and the armies of their vassal states like Poland and the Ukraine (bribed with freshly printed dollars) at Russia and China.
A perfect recipe for unimaginable human suffering and guaranteed, ultimate defeat.
I was always under the impression that Napoleon was a Jesuite servant, rather than a mason. He did hail from Corsica, after all.
Jesuit, Mason, it’s all the same…
Did you ever wonder what the jihadis think about the Russian airstrikes.Well here is one idea of what they may be saying about them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtQZwXOb3_Q
Uncle Bob,
lol!
I sure needed that.
Nice one :)
Interesting comment: “… no less than THREE times: against the Papacy in the so-called “Northern Crusades”, against Napoleon’s Freemasons, and against Hitler’s Nazis.”
Please expand on theme sometime with a focus on the underlying commonality (or otherwise) of the values systems in these three domains (Papacy, Freemasons & Nazi) compared to Russian etc.
If you have in the past then a short recap and hint at the link(s) would be a help.
1) Polish spelling of reporter’s name would be most probably “Dzięciołowski”, from “dzięcioł” or woodpecker.
2) Polish intelectual elites hate Russia. It’s deeply rootet in our history.
3) As for “common people”, they tend to follow, what they see in TV.
So russophobia is, alas, a default intelectual stance in Poland. And there is not much anyone can do about it. So expect more of the same.
What did you expect from a guy that works for the empire! Here is his resume
http://pulitzercenter.org/people/zygmunt-dzieciolowski
There is indeed a journalist with that name:
Zygmunt Dzieciolowski
http://pulitzercenter.org/people/zygmunt-dzieciolowski
https://www.opendemocracy.net/author/zygmunt-dzieciolowski
maybe the problem with Poland is that they were brainwashed with American propaganda and bullshit after the CIA-MOSSAD had sabotaged the aeroplane of the polish president LECH KACZYNSKI in April 2010 and blamed it on RUSSIA because he had refused to put missiles on the polish border facing Russia, the POLISH president was in the process of making some trade deals with RUSSIA at that time, and this the USA was not prepared for, and also what a lot of polish people do not know is the missiles on their border will not touch Russia but they will level 10 per cent of Poland, and do you think that the USA gives a dam, so wake up POLAND, RUSSIA is not the enemy but AMERICA, BRITAIN and ISRAEL are. yes that’s right it’s called ABI that’s the initials of the real ENEMY.
Tony,
I thought it was ADI (Angloamerika Deutschland Israel) which encrypted by alphabet letter counting gives 1-4-9, where 14 is a holy nazi number – google: 14 words of david lane’s philosophy – while 129 is what?
The PL101/Smolensk Mass Murder, its prehistory and sequels are full of 14s, just as the MH17/Grabovo mass murder is full of 17s. Obama and Holland wanted to start WW III already on 2013-9-1 “because of 1400!” gassed by Assad. 1300 or 1500 gassed would have been no valid war pretext, but 1400, according to these eminent statesmen, were.
I repeat repeating that there is a deep connection between these two mass murders (both were brought down not only on a special day, but on a precise moment which repeated the date, like 10-4-1 at 10:41 local time in Smolensk) and a voluntarily very visible connection of both mass murders with Frau “Merkel”: Smolensk was her triumph at her 10th jubilee in office as führeress of the CDU party (and of the whole of European “conservatism), and 14-7-17, ca 17:17 local time was her 60th birthday where England made her “queen of Europe”.
All of this is important because 2015-11-22 will be “Merkel”s 10th jubilee in office as BUndesKanzler (or BuK for short), and if her helpers or handlers or friends or compatriots have style enough to continue as they have begun, they *must* deliver yet another massaker that “obviously Putin” will be declared guilty of and which should yield about 1000 deaths. Or 3000? Which as a reason for war would be “alternativlos” (“Merkel”).
What a pity the bad, bad Poles do not wake up. But who wakes up, anyway? There are no structures for enacting such an awakening, neither in PL nor anywhere else in our “free world”.
Orhan J.
While Poland, as a nation, is well known for it’s consistently craven, delusional, self destructive subservience to fascist oligarchic power, they are not alone, France is in hot competition. Look up an article at RT titled:
France wants to sell warships to Russia
:D
Yeah,I saw that.I think he was trying to appease shipyard workers (I think he said that on a visit to the shipyard that build the Mistrals). But for anyone to buy that ,they’d have to be crazy.The Russians won’t even buy “cheese” from France,let alone naval ships.
Pathetic as the Poles and French are, the pindos regularly show them up. Here the zionazi prison bitches running the pentagon exhibit their usual prostrated position:
Pentagon Sermonizes Against Russia’s ‘Malign Influence’ in Middle East
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151015/1028554241/pentagon-ashton-russia.html#ixzz3od4iKyMo
Did he talk about “malign” influence in the ME with a “straight face”.I don’t see how he could.Hopefully there was at least a “snicker” or two from the reporters listening to that BS.
There’s another 0.1 Billion humans just dumped. What a pathetic comment.
I think Chekov had this nailed with this quote:
Nature’s law says that the strong must prevent the weak from living, but only in a newspaper article or textbook can this be packaged into a comprehensible thought. In the soup of everyday life, in the mixture of minutia from which human relations are woven, it is not a law. It is a logical incongruity when both strong and weak fall victim to their mutual relations, unconsciously subservient to some unknown guiding power that stands outside of life, irrelevant to man.
Alexander Rutskoi and Zigmund Dzencholovski would both be enlightened to take note of it.
Russia says we can occupy your country like we have in the past so you will fall in line and do what Russia thinks is best. Poland might consider working with Russia if Poland had nuclear missiles with capabilities Russia respected. In the end the only thing that matters in this arena is military and economic capability. Poland has economic capability. Russia has military capability. Russia wants Poland. Poland doesn’t want to be occupied by Russia again.
Poland’s “economic capability” is suspiciously reminiscent of what we see in the awesome Baltic fiefdoms: Exporting people en masse while fleecing EU taxpayers, courtesy of the Eurocrats.
Of course, it could well be that proudly hosting CIA torture dungeons on her own soil does generate some revenue to her “Services industry” (although I doubt the Psheks would mind giving the Empire a helping hand for free, or even pay for getting the job done).
Shall be interesting to see what the Psheks will have to say about the glorious West kindly enforcing settlement — in arch-Catholic Poland — of Arabs and Muslims in truly beautiful contempt of the host population’s “Euro-national ego”. Most likely an incessant yapping about Russian conspiracies along the lines of the Czech defence minister. Corollary question: What does this demographic update of Poland mean to the alleged Russian “appetite” for annexing the place?
Russia wants Poland
For WHAT?! It’s natural resources or its people?!?!?!
You don’t get it – do you?
Russia simply has no interest in Poland whatsoever.
She views Poland as a consenting victim of US imperial rape.
What use would Russia have for that?
What would it take for Europeans to finally understand that Russia is looking north and east, not west. There is nothing for Russia from the West except prejudice, racism and hostility.
“Russia simply has no interest in Poland whatsoever.
She views Poland as a consenting victim of US imperial rape.
What use would Russia have for that?”
“You don’t get it – do you?”
You rarely if ever do, but useful fools are useful.
To be less diplomatic than the Saker. Get this throught your thick skull. Russia needs Poland like one need hemmoroids. Russia needs the Balts like one needs a venereal disease.
In both cases, Russia comes in handy to “explain” the total worthlessness of the intellectually challenged peoples in neighbouring countries. Inferiority complex and delusions of grandeur at the same time. Quite fascinating in a sense.
LOL, poletroll, Russia wants Poland as much as a sane person wants rabies. :D
Clearly, the general shouldn’t be allowed to do Lavrov’s work. “smash their faces” / “faces bashed in” is a first class wording blunder the foreign minister would never have allowed to leave his lips. The general says “cooperate or risk having your face smashed in”. The journalist got this right.
It got the “remedy” wrong though.Bringing in the US to “fight” for you is foolish.The US is notorious for fighting in “your” country.Until they are tired or defeated.Then bugging out leaving “you” to “face the music” for what “they” did.The “South” Vietnamese elite believed them on how they would keep them in power.As soon as the US population understood the money and US lives it was costing them the US got out.Leaving their allies to suffer the “consequences” on their own.The Cambodian military revolted against their government for the US (shades of Ukraine).As soon as the US decided to leave Vietnam.They deserted their Cambodian “friends” as well.Leaving them to the “tender mercies” of the Khemer Rouge.A group that battled the Cambodian US backed stooges.Had the US not caused the military to revolt against the legitimate Cambodian government there would have been no “Pol Pot” in Cambodia.But the US couldn’t care less what happened to their “unexceptional” Cambodian and Vietnamese allies.You could also ask the “Cuban exiles” about the US “aid” they got to overthrow Castro.And today,we see in Afghanistan,Iraq,Libya,Ukraine.The US is only “there” for you,if you need chaos,death,destruction,mayhem,inside your “own” country.And when the “going gets tough” they are “out of there”.Leaving “you” to get the payback you would richly deserve for siding with them.
“Award-winning author Olga Tokarczuk received more than 1,000 hate messages after suggesting that rather than being a rare haven of tolerance, Polish history has a darker side.”
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151015/1028570585/poland-tolerance-jews-hate-mail.html
Seems many Poles can’t look at themselves honestly and accept the truth of their past.
Hahaha, best real Polish joke ever! Hint discreetly at Pshek intolerance and reap an instant shitstorm. As the Germans say: Klasse!
Speaking of intolerance, it was no accident that the German Nazis built concentration camps in Poland. They had quite a good grasp of the Psheks’ “tolerance”. Under Soviet rule, there was no such practising of ‘European values’ going on in Poland. Now that the West runs the place, “happy days” are there again.
If there’s something a Pshek doesn’t understand, there’s always the infallible invocation of the void, ludicrous “Katyn” sob-story. Try tell a Pshek what “poor innocent Poland” was up to in 1938 in the wake of the infamous Munich agreement. Another beautiful German proverb explains this just marvellously:
“Heute gestohlen — morgen in Polen”
” it was no accident that the German Nazis built concentration camps in Poland”
No accident, but not exclusively the place where concentration camps were located..
The camps of Aktion Reinhard – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka were placed close to the “materials” to process and close to mainline rail links in areas of relatively low poulation densities.
The camps of mixed function in the General Gouverment – Auschwitz was in a major industrial area with a relatively large population density close to Katowice and Sosnowiec, Majdanek is in a suburb of Lublin, and Plaszow is a suburb of Cracow.
There were also camps in the areas bound by the Channel Islands, the Franco-Spanish border, Romania, the Soviet Union, and Estonia.
What point or points do you wish to infer and/or illustrate in your comment?
“ludicrous “Katyn” sob-story.”
The activities which you appear to limit to Katyn were practiced outside the 1938 borders of the Soviet Union from 1939 until 1954 in order to remove “potential” threats to the Soviet Union and “sphere of influence”.
In addition to other factors these historical processes inform some populations’ views of the Russian Federation. An investigation of the question whatever happened to Stepan Bandera would prove illuminating.
The Russian Fedrration has not only admitted and apologised for these former practices including the executions in the Smolensk area in 1940/1941 in respect of officers of the armed forces of the Polish second republic, but have ceased these practices.
These practices remain of significance in the strategies of the opponents.
Unlike the opponents, for example Mrs. Clinton, representatives of the Russian Federation do not engage in schadenfreude.
Anonymous, you have already replied to Nussiminen – why did u not incorporate this into one post. Please also refrain from attacking or antagonising commenters – one line has been deleted.
“why did u not incorporate this into one post.”
Let me explain.
In communication it is often better to critique an aspect within one distinct comment thereby encouraging focus, and to follow this procedure to critique another aspect within another distinct comment.
Using an analogy from structured programming each comment is a routine with preceding implicit
binary decisions.
Attention spans are variable within populations as are matters of interest.
This practice also allows the “reader” to enter the critique at their own most appropriate point of interest, given that in many cultures content is read from top left to bottom right, whilst offering the possibility to proceed to other comments in either an upward or downward direction.
“one line has been deleted.”
Any variation in text is always noted.
In this case the line showed the logical contradiction between “Speaking of intolerance” and the use of “Pshek” in the contributors comment.
The order of comments were to produce a logical flow thereby allowing those with facility to make the logical connections between the first and second comment, all following the context of the thread including
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In another broadcast which was received by other audiences but moderated for audiences solely dependent upon this blog, it was explained that argument is a linear strategy and encouragement and sharing components of lateral strategies, which explains in part approach, design and register.
The points above all form components in a lateral strategy of catalysing/encouraging transcendence of the opponents ideologies and practices, given that at 08-00 UTC 19th October 2015 this thread had 6400 views and 100 comments.
This strategy appears consistent with, and in faciltation of, this blog’s header of “Stop the Empire’s war on Russia” although this header not only misrepresents whom the opponents are opposing, but presupposes that it is exclusively beneficial that the opponents’ efforts cease – a covert notion of categorical imperative – a form of strategic blindness and opportunity to facilitate “unitended consequences” and “surprises” for the opponent.
Ideology is more dangerous than other weapons of any destruction.
In amplification if the previous comment broadcast is moderated including
“This strategy appears consistent with, and in faciltation of, this blog’s header of “Stop the Empire’s war on Russia” although this header not only misrepresents whom the opponents are opposing, but presupposes that it is exclusively beneficial that the opponents’ efforts cease – a covert notion of categorical imperative – a form of strategic blindness and opportunity to facilitate “unintended consequences” and “surprises” for the opponent.”
http://russia-insider.com/en/military/prejudice-blinds-western-experts-russian-military-performance/ri10577
WAKE UP HUGGY, Russia is not interested in taking over Poland, but America is, why do you think that America blew up the plane with the Polish President inside In April 2010, and the reason is that LECH KACZYNSKI told America that it did not want to put nuclear missiles facing Russia, POLAND has nothing that Russia wants and they have plenty of Untapped Resources in SIBERIA, take my word for it Russia does not need Poland, But Poland needs Russia, maybe in the time of Stalin it may have been different, the Countries Today that rejects Russia’s hand of Friendship only hears the drums of War.
So why wasn’t Radexit on the plane? Does he suffer from survivor’s guilt? Doesn’t seem to. Much.
Sorry to have to correct you here, Saker, but during World War 2 the “United West” was on the side of (Bolshevik) Russia and against Germany (i.e., Europe). The few European nations that came together with Germany in defense of Europe (against Anglo-Jewish and Russian Bolshevik aggression) can hardly be counted as “the West”. They can be counted as “Europe”, but not “the West.” “The West” back then, as today, was England, France and the US – all other “Western” nations are simply colonies of the former. World War 2 was about anti-nationalist/internationalist “West”+Communism (which was also “Western”) versus Nationalist Europe led by Germany.
That is because the “West” needed the USSR.As long as the fight was going to be solely nazi vs communist they were supporting Hitler.But as soon as they realized the nazis wanted World domination as well.Then everything changed.They chose,what was for them the “lessor” of two evils,the USSR.The “West” as you say (even,maybe especially,Churchill) was fine with the nazis and Hitler to start with.Sure they were a little “rough around the edges”,but when you are picking a guy to fight for you in a “bare knuckle bar-fight” that isn’t a problem ,its a plus.But then Churchill and the others saw that Hitler wanted more than “Russia”.He wanted their own spot too.To be the boss,not just “paid help”.He wanted to be a full pardner with the “West”.With the West demoted to “junior” pardner.He thought,”first I deal with you guys” then I settle with “Russia”.Ring any bells today (think ISIS).
@Vot Tak
Doubt it. This Anonymous is a multi-lateral critic – everyone gets it in the neck.
And his post is bang-on-the-money.
In my view, the quoted minister demonstrates neatly why Lavrov and Putin are so good at their respective jobs. Neither would have used such analogies in a broadcast medium or issued little more than veiled threats to an entire nation. When they do, its because they have to – and mean it. And proportionate actions follow. No talking like Tony Soprano.
The journalist’s reaction is irrelevant, like most. He is not in a position to cause escalation.
Sorry Saker, but whatever the issues the Polish people have – both historical and current vis-a-vis Russia, this article is not addressing them.
A far more important issue is the extent to which Polish governments have helped CIA black ops to train Right Sector/Nazi snipers for the Ukrainian Maidan, provided black sites for torture and instigated the coercive demands of the Association Agreement. The role of the Appelbaum/Sikorskis I believe is central.
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The “poletroll” is a typical example websayan work, nothing more. The things were ubiquitous on the old guardian talk board. Their comments are content free polemics. Usually accusatory in nature and phrased in such a way to start a pointless argument.
“Their comments are content free polemics.”
Perhaps this will prove useful as a purgative.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/16/the-invisible-enemy-mass-confusion-spectacle-in-modern-society/
“a typical example websayan work, nothing more.”
Perhaps a sedative to allay symptoms of certainty.
http://russia-insider.com/en/society/russia-winning-information-war/ri10563
Mr. Rodnyansky is still mistaken on sole and/or primary agency.
US International (i.e., nato) to poland: we’re here to protect you. You pay, we protect.
polish functionary: We pay you to protect us from what.
US International (i.e., nato): From us. From the US, that is.
That’s the deal, despite what’s reported. It’s not just that they’re plain stupid. There’s a real threat there. So what they are is stupid cowards, in reality.
Old Russian saying: If you have a Pole for a friend, you don’t need an enemy. Still truer than ever.
Well, maybe that kind of language is acceptable in Russia. Inside Western Europe talking about “smash their faces” is the monopoly of gangsters and would-be gangsters.
True,they save all that for the countries outside Europe.They slaughter millions,but “perish the thought” if you “actually” talk rough.
In the beautiful language of Westish, there are quite a few other options available in fact. Among them:
a) European values
b) War on terror
c) Freedom and Democracy
d) Humanitarian intervention
As for so-called Western culture, slaughter and torture constitute two of its most crucial ingredients along with pornography. Gangsterism all along the line.
Uncle Bob,
Very true. I am as alert as the next to the nauseating hypocrisy of the smooth-talking psychopaths at the helm of most institutions in the West.
But Wim also has a point.
Both Putin and Lavrov are exceptionally precise in their use of language. They make neither threats nor boasts. And they have an acute sense of protocol – ditched only in extremis.
That’s why they are getting the respect they do – they could be abusive of advantage but they are not. They prefer peer-relations to dominance. The latter is only exercised as a ‘corrective’ – i.e. when they’ve had enough.
But they never forget their roles.
This politician is talking like a gangster, even if you agree with his sentiments. Now, why would he play to some Yeltsin-era stereotype after all the hard work of Putin and Lavrov to promote Russia as *the* broker of international relations?
This is self-indulgent and shows bad judgement. You get to talk like that in private when you are claiming to represent others – not through media.
Is there any difference between his ‘style’ and Tony ‘Shirt-front’ Abbot?
Not as I can see.
“They prefer peer-relations to dominance.”
Perhaps you frame/perceive the data as dominance rather than transcendence.
Notions of dominance, full spectrum or otherwise, are best left to opponents.
“This is self-indulgent and shows bad judgement.”
Perhaps you are unaware of Mr. Rutskoi and his wanderings.
The same may apply to Mr. Dzieciolowski and his expeditions to find the golden fleece..
Perhaps interesting questions to ponder are why a dialogue between these wanderers appeared on this blog, and why the comments above were the comments?
Perhaps forgetfulness that in the vicinity of striptease the wise watch the audience and not the stripper?
Mr. Rutskoi is not a representative of the Russian Federation, and Mr. Dzieciolowski is not a representative of the Republic of Poland.
Poland: NATO is not your salvation, it is your occupation.
Poland is another Zionist occupied nation. It has an unfortunate brainwashed population, shrinking economy, and rapidly exiting population, and it is no different from 30 others in Europe.
The Polish people are capable of great brilliance and courage, but like other Europeans, have not been able to dig their way out of the ruins of World war II.
The Russians have begun to; Intellectually, they have advanced far. The Serbs and Greeks are next.
In Europe, most to be watched by Russia are the principalities of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. They are already occupied by Zionist NATO forces, although lightly occupied. At the moment the first NATO American Boy Scout entered these half-Russian Baltic republics, the Russians should have marched.
They must still march. If they march soon, they will end the NATO threat and considerably delay, and most likely postpone the Nuclear Apocalypse, forever. At the United Nations, in answer to all complaints by the imperialist terrorist powers, all Russia must do is display a Map of Western Russia (no need for words).
In Syria, the Russian Nation, and their allies are defeating the Zionist imperialist Oligarchs (in heavy combat). This decision (To Go To War) by the Russian leadership is the definitive move toward a politically pluralistic and more democratic multi-polar world order, and smash the Zionist imperialist uni-polar New World Order (which was advanced on November 22, 1963).
Listen: We are at war. Sherman is marching to the sea. You don’t have to be a Rhodes scholar to see this (and a Rhodes scholar, or ones from Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford, the Sorbonne, etc., would not be able to see this in any event).
If I appear happy, I apologize. What do you expect from an Anarchist?
Aim High!
For the Democratic Republics!
IMAGINE
There are ongoing irritations and confrontations between the imperialist puppets of the Baltic principalities and Russia. Their populations are evenly divided between Russian and Estonian Lithuanian and Latvian, with the Russian residents being repressed in an attempt to ethnically cleanse (just as is happening in the puppet Ukraine).
This is just one of the on going harassings of Russian Media (as also happens in the puppet Ukraine) http://tass.ru/en/politics/829301
and, http://tass.ru/en/world/829300
My Russian mother always insisted that fearing fools was the wise thing to do. Seemingly the world is dealing not only with individual fools, but nests of fools: Washington, kiev, Poland, Brussels, England, Turkey, Bulgaria, (you get the idea) in general countries where the predominant leaders are fools by nature, nurtured fools or just paid fools.
Oupps! I forgot the three stooges: the Baltic Fools, representing the kinkel berries on the Big Bears arse.
Royce Royal:
Here they are, ‘kinkeling’ around:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuw7C_kqu6g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The Poles lost a lot of sympathy in Britain when they started arriving in their millions. I would say that if push came to shove, thee is no way that Britons would consent to any conflict with Russia over Poland.
“Poland’s stance towards Russia: pathetic, contemptible and plain stupid”
Apparently reflective of notions of those with limited or no agency as illustrated below
Why Russia Should Not Repent for Her Past – Part 1
The struggle for Russia’s past is a struggle for her future. Russian liberals disingenuously attack the Soviet Union’s “crimes” to disguise their true intentions: to help Western oligarchs steal Russia’s wealth
http://russia-insider.com/en/history/nikolai-starikov-why-russia-should-not-repent-her-past-1/ri10585
Mr. Starikov apparently seeks to limit agency of, and motivation for, criticism/repentance of the Soviet past to “Russian liberals” .
This obscures why Russia should criticise/repentance the Soviet past in order to facilitate remedy to practices and outcomes encouraged by part of the Soviet past, and to whom such criticism should be acknowledged all in order to transcend opponents.
I would suggest that the prime audience to whom such criticism of the Soviet past should be and is being acknowledged is the Russian population.
As an example this informed the Victory parades on 9th May 2015.
Present day Russia is a function of ongoing criticism/repentance the Soviet past in order to facilitate remedy to practices and outcomes encouraged by part of the Soviet past, and to fashion alternative strategies.
Intransigence is a self-defeating strategy if transcendence is the purpose.
Intransigence is a self-defeating strategy since the world is laterally dynamic.
“Intransigence is a self-defeating strategy since the world is laterally dynamic.”
Like the opponents Mr. Starikov contends that the world is not laterally dynamic.
http://russia-insider.com/en/history/nikolai-starikov-why-russia-should-not-repent-her-past-2/ri10618
3. The Russian empire – the USSR – the Russian Federation. This is what the continuity of our government and our country looks like. It is a single line. All the tragedies on this line, all of its twists and problems – the entirety of it – are our history. We will not apologize or repent to anyone; we will simply consider what has happened, draw our own conclusions, and strive to never repeat the same mistakes.
Mr. Starikov like the opponents appears to hold that “history” is a linear progression towards some “holy grail” whether it be “democracy” or “free markets”, or “Russia”, or possibly any unattainable hologram of utility.
Maybe this is why:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189087.html
“Maybe this is why:”
Unicausality is an illusion as are sole/primary agency.
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likely has the wrong edit.
Instead of
“You don’t get it – do you?
Russia simply has no interest in Poland whatsoever.”
it should read
“Russia simply has no interest in Poland whatsoever.”
“You don’t get it – do you?”
– the person not getting it being the author of the comment.
Like the opponents you can speculate on the strategies of the representatives of the Russian Federation if you wish.
@Anonymous 11:12
“Like the opponents you can speculate on
the strategies of the representatives of the
Russian Federation if you wish.”
I don’t – I just came across this by accident and recalled the your post.
Speculation is mostly pointless.
I prefer to try and locate the various manifestations of the ‘disease’
(which is global) than speculate on how some (already exposed and having developed a degree of ‘immunity’ ) seek to ‘cure’ it.
Only they and allies need to know their combat strategies – no one else (including me.)
But I sincerely wish for their success.
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