2016/11/24 23:30:01
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a chance to begin the cafe with a look into the game, the heavenly/archetypal players are in with.
It might be interesting to realize, one is within the game, carried by waves together with them.
It’s a big difference between following a stream and do it consciously.
http://astromundanediary.blogspot.de/2016/11/11_20.html
(Door closes to the ringing of a small bell) Hi Daryl, white with one thanks. Ah there you are, is this seat taken? I’d sit outside but it is unseasonably overcast today and my hayfever is playing up.
Work’s OK, been slow waiting for the next performance period to start. People are starting to move into holiday mode, talk is turning to xmas dinners and the Third Test in Adelaide. Oh, happy Thanksgiving dear friends, any excuse to get the family together is ok with me. The kids? My eldest just finished her last exam and she is off on Schoolies. Here is a father’s life for you, last night I hemmed up her old school dress which had been butchered into a crop top and short skirt. People expect me to get all paternal on her, but I am just so happy she is making the most of her youth. Eat, drink and be merry my love, for tomorrow we die.
I have been caught up in the change sweeping the world. My old left/right compass is broken, cherished certainties stripped away, and that dim flickering light of Hope has made her reappearance. I have been looking at getting politically-active again, but a wiser voice is whispering at the back of my mind. Trump and resurgent nationalism is only a phase, the swinging back of the pendulum. My lessons from last time diving into the cesspit are still true; the system is part of the problem. By getting involved, I would be supporting and prolonging a political structure designed to frustrate popular rule and prevent real democracy. So after a brief bout of excitement, back to the program. I am going to spend my energy making the world a better place right where I stand. The defeat of the Empire will be the greatest moment of my life. I’ll keep coming here and elsewhere to fight the Battle of Ideas, because in the end all power comes from the sovereign will of the People.
Anarchy is our only hope.
Earthrise
Your words reminds me to the 88′-89′ in the former Eastern Block. Back then, we were happy that something new will come, a reformed socialism without corruption and treason of the people by the leaders. What comes and what happens thereafter…is history. The Empire took everything. Hopefully, this time will not be a deja-vu.
No left and right. Only right and wrong. Anarchy reminds me of the Mad Max movies.
Do as much as possible now – things/actions that will last, for tomorrow we die.
I’m trialling the Yandex browser, so I only give it a provisional thumbs up till I have tested it more and for longer. I would like to hear comments on it from any other users.
One feature I like is that it automatically translates Russian pages into English without me doing anything, and I now don’t have to use google’s slow and sometimes buggy one.
https://browser.yandex.com/desktop/main/
I’ve been using it off and on for some time now. Has some nice features and in general works better than FF.
I’m using Yandex on my computer and on my mobile phone. It is very fast and reliable in both cases. On a computer Yandex is an addition to FF but on a mobile phone I’m using almost exclusively Yandex. I really like it.
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places”
May God protect Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the entire leadership of the fallen west is drenched in darkness. For those who have not yet encountered pizzagate, below is a good introduction. Pizzagate is real and beyond mere politics, this is a spiritual struggle:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/pizzagate-4chan-uncovered-sick-world-washingtons-occult-elite/
The deep backstory is here: bloodpassover.com
This problem us widespread – international in scope, in fact.
The same elites who are using the UN to groom children through ‘sex-education’ and ‘health initiatives’.
Here’s yet another member of the ‘beyond morality’ tribe:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.ibtimes.com/strange-case-frederic-mitterrand-frances-most-famous-alleged-pedophile-845349%3Famp%3D1?client=safari
Other people are listing and tracking this epidemic – , the British Labour Party is another political institution that is host to a litany of perverts:
https://labour25.com
Other people are listing and taking part in this epidemic.
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.”
Have you evidence to say the British Labour Party is any better or worse at this than any other institution (political or otherwise)? do you have a brain link to let you know what your father, son or brother are thinking about the subject or, I guess, to a lesser extent your mother, daughter or sister?
Weird comment.
I could post more on this issue – like Saville and the ‘lost file’ listing (allegedly mostly) Tories.
But that is well-trodden ground.
These comments attempted to show the vice transcends political affiliation and borders. And that it is facilitated through the connected and corrupt.
Sorry you didn’t ‘get it.’
It has always been facilitated throught the connected and the corrupt but it is always good to out the specifics.
Apologies, my thought was you were using the example to besmirch the politic of the current British Labour Party.
Thanksgiving sentiments from
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BBC calling! BBC calling!
It was all a mistake!
Yesterday I wrote:
“BBC not calling! BBC not calling!
The vassal BBC has gone completely quiet the last few days on White Helmet Aleppo propaganda.
Perhaps that last undeniably orchestrated White Helmet video of the man lying quietly during setup and then screaming in fake agony was too much even for the BBC spin machine? ”
Today, the BBC spin machine has leapt into action; the Four Helmeteers are back and don’t you dare try to silence them for telling the truth. Of course it was orchestrated -It was none other than the Mannequin Challenge!
And if you believe that I have a very nice line in bridges you might like to buy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38066791
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37171385
This subject is discussed at RT on the main news. They say that the White Helmets have publicly recognized the fake and apologized.
I am well aware of that and also that the White Helmets are a phoney Soros and western government funded terrorist PR media group with little or no medical skills and no connection to the real Syrian Civil Defence Force. They are accused of overthrowing and killing the latter.
A look at just a few of any of SCD (White Helmets) rescues effectively condemns their credibility.
Ladies and Gentlemen, here is the 2016 Top Christmas Carol, duly submitted one month in advance:
I’m dreaming of a White Helmet
Another fake that comes and goes
Where George Soros glistens and crap enlistens
To hear praise in media shows
I’m dreaming of a White Helmet
With BBC approval right
May their days be merry with bribes
And next year a Nobel piece of prize
Excellent, Nussiminen !
I’m going to be singing this all day Nuss – lol!
(” And George Soros glistens …” Priceless :-)
Maybe a thread should be started to update Xmas songs in the light of reality?
I’m sure Ioan and Bro would contribute some entertaining revisions….:-)
Haha, hopefully somebody here enjoys karaoke! Just imagine the doltish looks from the audience…
Next carol ought to be a funny rendition of “Jingle Bells”.
Oh! Sweet memories of singing in chorus at Christmas in my òl home town, the people´s republic of santa cruz! The lefty progressive radicals have been hitting the streets doing this for decades. A wonderful way to raise spirits and come together for fun in dark times!
People’s Republic of Santa Cruz?
How come the Empire missed that one? Sorry, it will join the list for regime change now.
I hope the pissoir is at hand and also ‘ouvert’ for these two gentlemen since beer, particularly in these quantities, can never be bought but only rented.
I wonder also, for the man in the foreground, is this is a forlorn attempt to diminish the hangover headache from a previous bender?
Since alcohol will have loosened their tongues, It would be most interesting to hear their views on the Hegemon world, institutions such as Obama, WP, NYT, CNN, MIC, Washington DC cesspool, Les Quatre White Helmeteers and various individuals like the execrable angels of death HRC & Victoria Nuland and out-going spitting and snarling harridan hag Samantha Power.
Don’t be shy, let it fly.
Sacré bleu! The headline picture has changed! The two monsieurs with massive glasses of beer have been evicted from the cafe!
They have beeen ‘disappeared’ right before our eyes. Quelle dommage!
Perhaps this is because they were there before on a previous cafe and had been thrown out after yelling and breaking the furniture?
@ SanctuaryOne
Your French is au fait but it requires constant practice to avoid les petits riens and les horreurs des erreurs. Cherchez s.v.p.
Mille excuses pour mon terrible français mais je suis trop occupé à apprendre la langue russe.
Ah, yes, ‘dommage’ is masculine, but to me it feels feminine. If anyone thinks grammatical agreement is complex in French then slavic languages like Russian are infinitely more difficult.
Thanks for the correction; I shall never make that particular mistake again.
(Once I thought I made an error -but I was mistaken)
@ TooLegit2Quit
There is another one.
It is interesting that certain languages, French and German coming to mind, seem to have a universal language police behind them. Spanish speaking countries on the other hand are very welcoming of any attempt to speak their language -and forgiving of any errors.
This blog and also Russia Insider, FortRus, NEO and other publications. are riddled with typos, grammatical errors and missing verbs and prepositions, definite and indefinite articles etc., even from those authors whose native language is English.
Nobody says a word.
I’d be interested to know if the Russian language equivalents have the same frequency of errors.
(There is three erors in this sentence.)
Perhaps it is because the Anglo-Zionist West is a ‘melting-pot’ or ‘multi-culty’ experiment.
Whether that results in a dumbing-down or some purported growth in tolerance, remains to be seen.
The standard of education in the US and Canada are also so low that, without spell-check and grammarly forums and writing here in the West would clearly be seen for what it is underneath, sloppy, ill-thought out and mostly rubbish.
The recent anonymous denunciation of ‘propaganda’ is a case in point.
I got a response to a personal rant expressing my deep fear of the death of Europe maybe one or two years ago, Saker responded to it powerfully saying what was his rant in response. Since that time as I post on Facebook (sort of banned for my easy use since then) I read a carefully altered versions of topics I have written on since 2006 or so…
The alterations of each “copy” change the meaning of each of my supposedly copied posts quite drastically. Where first I welcomed having my posts noticed in this way, after all, we write to be read, I now realise I was copied” and posted to alter my meanings in each post.
Not unlike a non-bloody Hemingway style assassination. We who must write are defined by the writing. Total electronic surveillances allows the death of those words and the identity that states them, easily, especially if lawlessness reigns as to copywrite laws. 9/11 removed them as it removed Habeous Corpus.
Both Clintons actively supported 9/11. still do. The Clinton Machine is alive and very well. as the Saker blog makes clear in various methods.
Please study all Trey Gowdy videos of his brilliant arguments for the use of pre 9/11 laws.
Thanks so much for this space! For Saker’s rants and news coverages.
https://youtu.be/p0PU5RsMEeU
a poem a day
keeps the doctor away
is all i’ll say
here today
You’re right with your pill
With the poem at free will
Doctors keeps away
While cats on a play
I guess this is a ‘fake news’ site, no? This has amused me greatly since Trump’s win. The big story of that of course was that people ignored the mainstream media. But we can’t expect the mainstream media to report that, so a genius comes up with the idea of ‘fake news’. This is a blight! We must protect people! All heralding internet controls. Even the UK Labour Party is talking of fake news sites (I think the ones that report Corbyn’s views and other ‘alternative’ narratives). I’ve been fearing RT will be banned in the UK ever since they banned Press TV. I met an RT cameraman in 2011 and told him I hoped they wouldn’t suffer the same fate. He was pretty sure they wouldn’t. Poor deluded fool. Many people who realise that the mainstream media is lying about Corbyn can’t bring themselves to apply that to other stories, such as Russia. So they believe Putin is evil because the mainstream press tells them so. Even though they know the press is capable of lying. That’s powerful propaganda (and delusion) at work. The BBC recently broadcast a program about how Russia has been portrayed in the news. I was very sceptical. And right to be so as one of the interviewees was Anne Applebaum. LOL! I didn’t bother watching it as can imagine the reason would be to bash Russia while pretending to present a ‘balanced’ historical view. They are hateful. Also, next time you watch a mainstream media TV interview (with someone other than another journalist from the same stable so the message is well and truly controlled) – count the number of times a question is asked that already has been answered. The talking heads and the producers shouting down their earpieces simply don’t listen. They absolutely do not care what is being said, as long as it fits the narrative. Amusingly I saw an hilarious piece whereby a local woman was awarded an ‘unsung sports hero’ award, live on TV (BBC local news). It was handed over, she gasped and laughed and was generally very happy. The reporter asked: “What’s your reaction?”. See? Journalists in mainstream media are now generally quite dim. I love the film of a BBC reporter in Syria a few years ago, being shouted at by local people about BBC lies. She looks genuinely confused. Because she’s an idiot. Ah. That feels better. It’s a lovely sunny day outside and I intend to go out and enjoy it, without buying anything I don’t need because I’ve been told to. And having Thanksgiving in the UK (as currently promoted by the UK media, of course) is just hilarious. Saker, aren’t the Americans giving thanks because they escaped us???
Congratulations everybody. The Saker is on the list (in fairly good company I might add).
“An Initial Set of Sites That Reliably Echo Russian Propaganda
We have used a combination of manual and automated analysis, including analysis of content, timing, technical indicators, and other reporting, in order to initially identify (“red-flag”) the following as Russian propaganda outlets. We then confirmed our initial assessment by applying whatever criteria we did not originally employ during the red-flag process, and we reevaluate our findings as needed.
Please note that our criteria are behavioral. That means the characteristics of the propaganda outlets we identify are motivation-agnostic. For purposes of this definition it does not matter whether the sites listed here are being knowingly directed and paid by Russian intelligence officers, or whether they even knew they were echoing Russian propaganda at any particular point: If they meet these criteria, they are at the very least acting as bona-fide “useful idiots” of the Russian intelligence services, and are worthy of further scrutiny.
We assess that this overall Russian effort is at least semi-centralized, with multiple Russian projects and influence operations working in parallel to manage the direct and outsourced production of propaganda across a wide range of outlets. It is data-driven, and rewards effective entrepreneurship and innovation with increased funding and other resources. There are varying degrees of involvement in it, and awareness of involvement. Some people involved seem genuinely unaware that they are being used by Russia to produce propaganda, but many others seem to know full well.”
http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html
Take Care
Kent
As ‘content analysis’ goes, this explains exactly…..
Nothing. (“Motivation-agnostic” = we don’t know nuffin’, but we’re special snowflakes so we can just make s**t up. It worked in college, didn’t it?)
It’s actually hilarious.
Someone should tell them post-truth is out and facts are back in fashion.
And that the emperor is naked.
Reporters: Trump’s media conference was a ‘f—ing firing squad’
“Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.
“It was like a f−−−ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.
“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said, ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.
“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing-down,” the source added.”
More at link: http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/
Take Care
Kent
Good morning from S. Cal, the anti-Trump state of mind. I woke at 3:30 in my outdoor bed under the starry sky, and came in here to my motorhome at 4:00, fired up the wood stove and am having a cup of hot pure well water. I have a small sportsman stove from Michigan, the kind a fisherman might use in an ice shanty. A beautiful crescent cup moon is rising in the east, boding well.
I don’t like the beer drinkers at the masthead. Stressed out and in need of some kind of addiction. Makes a mockery of a Love Cafe. Still, it is a sign of the times, benign compared to the evil we face.
We are in the 49th week of the year according to the Love Calendar, the 49th card in the Love Game and the 49th step in the Love recovery program. This week is the culmination of the 7 x 7 love gameboard and house of cards architecture.
The theme meme of this week is G, the apogee key in the seven note scale. The tarot card is The Devil with the polarities of positive and negative the XVth card of the major arcana. It shows the devil (the evil) as an old goat with bat wings and horns, making some cryptic devilish sign with his right hand and holding a torch of fire in his left. He sits on a black invisible throne with his talons gripping a black footstool.
Chained to the footstool on either side stand a naked woman and man, with chains around their necks fastened to the footstool. They both have horns and tails, the woman’s ends in a clump of fruit and the man’s with fire.
These tarot cards were drawn in black and white by Pamela Colman Smith, an artist who lived at the beginning of the last century who moved in the circles that included Yeats. She lived at the same time as the “Wickedest Man in the World?”, Aleister Crowley. I like Pamela who appears to be an innocent who died penniless.
This card is relevant now with the revelations of “spirit cooking” and pedophilia surfacing. Child abuse has come out of the closet and the home into the light of scrutiny. This is the rotten apple at the bottom of the barrel which must be removed before it spoils one and all.
So what is evil? And so what? I think it is Patriarchy, which is rule by patriarchal men, symbolized by the Devil. Patriarchy overthrew the Love Culture of our origins. It turned the world upside down and inside out. The Devil card has an inverted star over his head, to signal that fact.
In the Love Government book there is a story for this step in the game. There are fifty-two of these stories which are about Joy (the fool card) taking us home through a house of cards. This is the 49th story with Joy’s words in quotes:
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Twas the night before Chrestmass and all through the house not a creature was stirring, not even a spouse when what to my wond’ring eyes should appear but a moon over the valley and my own heart’s peer.
“This is G, the apogee, positive high and negative low, as above so below. The moon shines through the cloud curtain of lies. Even the rumble of civilization and its winter of discontent can’t disturb her peace. Let’s play the 49th card and meet the Man.”
Joy plucked her G string and the devil-man rose to the occasion, the Great Satan Arch Archpatriarch, with ball and chained man and woman in his vice-grip.
“Make no bones about it. Patriarchy is the terrorist master, the 9/11 mastermind and genocidal holocauster. Look no further for causes of evil. Restore Pa to his proper place with all your powers of love: wands, swords, coins, cups and lovars.
“You’ve walked the road and broken the code. You have synchronicity in spades and serendipity in heart trump. Talk to me and listen to your echo. The Devil card kept you on a wild goose chase treadmill long enough. Pa G kept you guessing with your questing for pots of gold under rainbows and lots of pretty people doing the two step steeple chase shuffle. Time for a change.
“The moon’s in the east and the sun’s in the west You best stay in the valley of the moon’s nest. Stay the course. Kiss the sun farewell as she slips below the horizon until you meet again with her rising. Greet her sister moon with a morning kiss as she clears the sleep from your eyes and sets the breakfast table.
“We will fly from the lower four-square house to the triune upper room of cards: wild, holy and high, a sacred vulva triangle in a lover’s threefold body.”
I felt a rising vortex and thought of Venus on her conch shell, masturbating and celebrating Mass. I felt her wild, holy high along with the sadness of the patriarchal lie.
“Stay with me, love. You haven’t seen anything yet. It’s hard when your love is stimulated but not satisfied. You’re not playing against the house. You are the house. It’s a gambol, not a gamble because you are the game and game-ball. You can have a ball and be it too. You can have your Lover and eat her too. She’s you.”
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This story is followed by a stream of consciousness poem which I’ll post next.
This is a duplicate photo from a prior cafe. I will change it … herb
I am touched. So sensitive and sweet of you, and the whole cafe. The new picture is so sweet too. Looks like a coffee house from the late 60’s and early 70’s, when I was in my late 20’s and early 30’s. Ah, the times of flower children and freedom love.
It’s going on 7 am. The moon is at 60 degrees. The sun is not yet up over the hill but the light floods the land and will soon chase the moon in full view.
The following will be Part 3 from the Love Government book on G. It’s a commentary. I am typing this from a manuscript; no copy and paste–it’s a labor of love like monk’s work which I once was so I don’t mind.
G positive and negative commentary:
I have reached the apogee, card G, the highest point of the seven by seven lower card grid. The journey goes upright, up and to the right until it comes here.
G is the highest note in this musical scale. G is shaped like a conch and a human ear, another reminder of my beloved peer. I lend my ear to her and hear her peerless voice.
Is the Lover the Devil? With a reversed pentacle to boot? Is the Lover a bat out of hell and a lecherous old goat? Is she Lucifer with horns and crow talons?
If the Lover is everything, then the answer is yes. Here is the paradox of evil. The irony is solved with love. Evil exists for the sake of love. She’sus said: love your enemies. It’s the only test of true love. I love patriarchy with tough love.
According to patriarchal myth, Lucifer the Light-bearer fell from heaven out of pride and disobedience to God. The real story is that patriarchy rebelled against the natural order which was matri-focal and lover-local, peace loving and love nurturing.
The Devil is a projection of patriarchal consciousness which enslaves both women and men. The Devil is patriarchy with all its evils, suffering and pain.
Patriarchy is the Father of Lies like its projected idol, the Devil. Power-mad men made up stories that blamed womem to justify male dominance and oppression.
According to the father fables, womem were the cause of the expulsion from paradise and were cursed with the pains of childbirth. Lies heaped upon lies.
It’s a tale told by an idiot patriarchy. Men write his-story. The Lover is the authority who rewrites his-story with her-story. The rest is our-story.
Womam is no temptress or sorceress. She is the body of us all. We don’t need a male godfather figure or son-savior. We need a Womam Lover. God is a creation of father-gods who have a perverted sense of nature and no sense of hearture.
The Negative G is crashing. A Positive G rises like a phoenix from the ashes of patriarchy. The Lover is the Devil in disguise. If she toppled Rome with a She’sus story, she can restore the world with a lover’s tale. The Lover out-devils the devil.
I gain XV love notes for outwitting the devil, the master patriarchal godfather, for a grand total of 59 wands, 59 swords, 59 coins, 59 cups and 231 love notes.
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The sun is now shining on the western hills, and just above the eastern hills. I can’t make out the thin crescent moon in the sun-lit sky but I know she’s up there. Ah nature, how beautiful you are.
I’m a bit hungry but before I go, I’ll append a brief poem on G, part 4 of this 49th step:
Oh high note of consciousness
Sounding forth the Greatest Good
Goal of Goals, Game of Games
Standing for the Good of Goods
Oh great silence beyond words
Give us your Greatest Gifts
Oh highest key of the scale
Remind us of the Greatest sound
Show us the vital Goodness
That is the Glory of creation
Extend to us your Grace
That with Gratitude in our hearts
We may Go for the Gold
And reach a new Garden of Eden
Play upon us A through G
A Gracious, Glorious symphony
Be the Gate to earthly spheres
To Grandness beyond our years
Be a faithful and true Guide
A laughing GURU
Gee You Are You
“This is G, the apogee, positive high and negative low, as above so below. ”
yes Denis, let’s take it serious, 6 mirrors are the days of creation, 6 days of being
mirroring six days of meaning
let’s complete the testament with the invisible half of six
let’s have God the chance to complete his creation
in man’s consciousness
“Good morning from S. Cal, the anti-Trump state of mind. I woke at 3:30 in my outdoor bed under the starry sky, and came in here to my motorhome at 4:00, fired up the wood stove and am having a cup of hot pure well water. I have a small sportsman stove from Michigan, the kind a fisherman might use in an ice shanty. A beautiful crescent cup moon is rising in the east, boding well.”
what a morning on my planet
As a proof that representatives of the Russian Federation are not aligned with the “negationists”, LaRouche organization ( as is almost every day misinformed here by certain commenter ) or The Donald and all their associated alt-media outlets, on the Climate Change issue, I leave last events on the issue directly from President Putin´s site:
“Alexander Bedritsky took part in the Conference of the Parties to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change”:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/administration/53267
“Meeting of State Council working group on Russia’s environmental development for the good of future generations”.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/administration/53184
Diapers Are Red, Pampers Are Brown
I’m easy to identify, while you continue to hide
In the shadows of total dark ignorant Anonymity.
Of course Russia’s diverse, just like this site:
Warming or cooling or anything in either proximity
Is hardly the conclusive point you seek to make
In all your labored arguments about bad right
And good left. The fact is they are BOTH sadly bereft
Of answers to Lenin’s question, “What Is To Be Done?”
And that’s what counts now, not petty arguments spun!
Evil is a preference for the particular Ego over Universals,
Left wing losers and right wing haters are just infants
Debating ideology when action is needed, not rehearsals
For some stupid play run by the directing Empire. For instance
Staying stuck in some crying fit about some old guy, ninety three,
When there’s an opening in Empire lines as big as a friggin’ barn!
But you’ll have none of The Donald, neither you nor our dear Elsi,
Instead of rushing through and blocking in the secondary, gol-darn
Ya’ll are sittin on your left buttocks wailin’ about points you disagree
With. Plugging up the hole with red-diaper disagreements just helps
The Empire, can’t you see? While the right wing brats get all rabid
And racial. It’s all Empire orchestrated mind control, puppy yelps
And kitten yowls of impotent protest. It’s all an unconscious habit!
Yes, minions clueless, like infants of what they are blindly doing!
So whether you’re on the right or the left of this hole in the Line,
Whether your diapers are red or light brown, please quit your stewing,
For someone more mature with Pampers for the and for thine,
And for your right -wing brethern, as well, Parents intend to be doing
What must be done, without any further delay, for the right and the left
Howling and blocking is slowing up progress toward an new paradigm,
Where all this divisional illusional ideological crap, (daft cranial cleft)
Will be cleaned up and flushed, and fresh diapers (at least for a time)
Shall be given to infantile whiners of both sides of the butt, both bereft
Of any answer to Lenin, who did get things done! But before we dispose
Of the light brown diapers (or the red ones) observe a most curious fact:
On the inside, they’re both brown! Now how to explain? Well, I suppose
It’s logical. It was set up that way by the Oligarchy, bad parents who lacked
Any intention to balance the brains or the buttocks of the childish masses
And set them up to fail forever fighting their silly selves and their siblings,
Never conscious of What Needs to Be Done, with brains or dumb asses.
So don’t worry about Lyndon, youngin’s, you’ll be here decades longer
Than he. Rather put your united brain and your will to the burning question:
The issue before those that stopped Hitler or Hitlery is far away stronger
Than quarrels along right wing or leftie lines, What Is To be Done?
That’s the question, not all this pitiful pooping in pants. Left or right rants
Really won’t get anyone anywhere. This preceeds Marx. It’s about Hamilton.
Now the main thing about Lyndon right now, is his Four Laws. No fancy pants!
It’s all very basic. But it does put a serious discussion on the Policy Table.
I’ll go through all four. And if you discard ANY, propose better, if you’re able!
This will be part 2 from the Love Government book, card 49.
It’s 6 am and outside the crescent moon has risen to 45 degrees with her sister planet. It’s not light yet but it’s getting there.
I see that Kent has posted a “fake-news” list link on which thesaker.is is on. I wonder how long it will take these scribes to inscribe us commenters too.
It’s a dirty information war, that’s for sure. Let’s have a little poetry to balance my brain drain with love’s morning train refrain:
G, positive and negative
The climb of life is upward and to the right
An upright life takes the path of consciousness sight
The greatest story ever told is enfolded in the letter G
A spiral sea conch filled with mystery
A sea creature’s moveable house and motorhome
A church and cottage and cathedral dome
Stays with these inhabitants wherever they roam
So it is with us and our consciousness
It’s the only thing besides our love that we can trust
A positive G stands for acceleration
A negative G is slow down limitation
We turn around and go up and down
A smiling clown with an angry frown
We hang in the balance between this double valence
We are subject to chance when the cards advance
Positive-negative is the name of the game
The poles of the battery are all that remain
With the soul of the self and its holy name
Everything and nothing which is more of the same
All is given and all is taken
So all is secure and all is shaken
Positive and negative around a neutral whole
Spinning and balancing from pole to pole
The higher I go, the deeper I fall
Falling in love with your consciousness call
The musical scale leads to G
The muse I detail is both he and she
The art of my heart is betrothed to thee
The consciousness I see is the we I be
G is my house arrow’s diagonal tip
She is my spouse marrow’s original lip
In all of my travels I come to this point
Here are healed my travails out of joint
The source of the conch is a tiny seed
The course of consciousness is my see need
You twist and turn and put me through a wringer
I thirst and burn to be a consciousness singer
You take her away and then you bring her
You’re gone for days and then you linger
When I fear sure to hit the ground in a negative G
I know you’ll be around as a positive me
I’ll remember your sound and spring-board glee
With a trampoline me and a bungee-cord thee
When I jump on you and you come through
“When I jump on you and you come through” – that was lovely.
Message for Thanksgiving:
So, I understand that there are many of us who supported Donald Trump during the election because they heard his message to “Make America great again” and they felt this was the most positive message about the way forward, out of the mess that was deliberately created by the, call them Illuminati, the Cabal, or Khazarian Mafia, in order to bring about the New World Order (NWO). Hearing Donald Trump call out the corporate media conglomerate, the neo-cons, Hill & Bill and Obama had a very strong, positive resonance with them. And a lot of them have stated they had a sense of joy and relief that Donald Trump won the election, that FINALLY, a candidate has come along who positively understood the nation’s problems, and their problems, but most importantly understood the direction to take to fix those problems.
It is those people I’m talking to right now, because they also are dismayed and not a little angry about the forces of darkness that have infected the minds of all those who are demonstrating in the streets, trying to prevent Donald Trump from taking office. You’ve got to listen, and you have to understand that this is normal and it should have been expected. I cannot tell you everything I know about why they are doing things that are seemingly so childish and stupid, but there are things that are going on at levels you cannot even imagine. Those street demonstrations are just part of it, a manifestation if you will, of what’s going on “behind the scenes.”
What I am definitely NOT saying is that you need to acquiesce and just accept it. No, please don’t do that, instead, you have to remain tuned into the positive vibrations you felt when you were listening to Donald Trump’s speeches at the Rallies and what his campaign people were saying, and hang onto that positive vibration you felt when you saw that the election results turned and indicated a Donald Trump Win; It meant that the positive had overcome the negative, and the forces of darkness that Hillary Clinton represents were defeated. Then, this has to be translated into a positive consciousness expression, in unison with all other people who want positive outcome, this will give an amplification to the intent, and make it stronger to the point that there is no way for the Cabal to overpower it, no matter what they do to turn it around in their favor. If you don’t do this, then advantage is going to be lost, and the take over we’ve all been dreading is going to take place: they can only take power if we give it to them.
There is a way out, there is a way to finally stop them, and excise them out of positions of power they have cultivated for millenia. This is it. Grousing about the mass media, or the government, and being all pessimistic and stuff, and talking about an EMP strike and Russian boots on the ground INSIDE the US (which isn’t true, sorry about that Dave Hodges) is only going to make it more likely those bad things will in fact happen. Stop it. Work toward positive outcomes, not negative ones.
For a lot of years, the alternative news sources have been giving very strong and dire warnings of a financial collapse that will be deliberately orchestrated and throw our whole planet into chaos from which the NWO will arise. There is an alternative financial system that is being put into place. We don’t know everything about it, and it seems dubious at best, and frightening to the point of panic at worst. There is no need to panic. The sky is NOT falling. The slavery financial system has stopped to function, and it HAS to be replaced, but the problem has been that those who OWN it, the Cabal of the Bloodline Families, or the Khazarian Mafia, or both, are not willing to cooperate with this over the fine details, basically, what’s going to happen to them.
They DO NOT want to give up power, they don’t want to be swept up and abused by mass arrests and they will keep wrangling over it; that is a part of why for the last 8 or 9 years we’ve been hearing all these dire predictions about an already failed and bankrupt central bank system that will collapse and take all of our wealth with it. It hasn’t happened because those warnings, while realistic and well-intentioned, were premature, moreover, they were not authorized for release. They should not have expressed them to the public in the way that they did because it only caused confusion, and then disillusionment. Those are not the positive outcomes that were desired from replacing an absolutely and deliberately oppressive system that was designed from the ground up to enslave and control all nations and people on Earth. We have to ‘wait for it’ and stay positive.
The power to create the home world we all want to live on that exists in the collected consciousness of everybody on Earth is nothing less than miraculous, and miracles will happen if we’re willing to work in that direction. Is this New Age? No. It is the way we are created, and it is working as one with the will of our Creator, and yes, it does include the daily prayer that so many God-haters are quick to discard and ridicule, even legislate against. Don’t listen to their ignorance, because they don’t even mean well. So, speaking to those of you who have expressed your skepticism about Donald Trump, I would say that you’re certainly free to feel skeptical. Does it do any good, however, to express it now, so that later when he stumbles you can all say, “see! We told you so!” Of course it doesn’t, but worse for you is that while there is a critical mass of those who want positive outcome, your negativity will be overruled and then when the predictions you made don’t come to pass, you will be forced to eat crow. Why go there if you say that’s not what you want? If you don’t have anything good to say, then stay quiet. A warning is one thing, but being skeptical for the sake of being negative and raining on the parade is quite another.
Analogy: Our car is stuck in the mud up to its axles. A bunch of us are behind it trying to push it out, onto dry ground, but you’re in front of it pushing it deeper into the bog. How’s that working out for us? Let’s get this done, because it’s the thing that IS doable, and it’s just the right and fine thing to do our God will smile upon.
” but there are things that are going on at levels you cannot even imagine ”
imagine? I have it in my poor private facebook account:
two hillary-shills, now after the break down in complete overdrive of copy and past
from the p- machine
and a new spirit is in the waking, with you here in the cafe, I think as an American woman?
I would like you to read, if you hav’nt yet, my comment to Bro 93 as last of last cafe
/moveable-feast-cafe-2016-11-21/#comment-296850
It is a kind of hint of an intimate transcontinantal planetary bridge emerging, a news-room with
a meaning – corner with rhythmical games and chairs beyond time.
Cheers to the new spirit in Sakers cradle
“The power to create the home world we all want to live on that exists in the collected consciousness of everybody on Earth is nothing less than miraculous, and miracles will happen if we’re willing to work in that direction.”
You descibe a possibillity, while what we have is the collective un-“consciousness of everybody”, but even that is miraculous richdom and a task in hands reach to become conscious.
Sticky Situation: CNN Broadcasts Porn Instead of Late-Night Food Show
https://sputniknews.com/art_living/201611251047844185-boston-cnn-porn-broadcast/
“Due to an apparent error by a local cable TV provider, CNN viewers in the Boston region were finally treated to something worth viewing when the station broadcast half an hour of hardcore porn instead of a food show…”
Probably the providers were just playing with the Tarot cards of Pamela Colman Smith.
OK, let’s challenge the people with some ” ism ” in form of poetry :
Globalism
Everything goes globally
Madness goes on normally
Global tailored new dresses
Global size for all sexes
Global color for the masses
Global sex in global places
Global song for all races
Global shoes for everybody
Made in China globally
For the global economy
Aussie beer in Siberia
Russian vodka in Liberia
French champaine at Gobi
Niger men’s wearing Gucci
Global work for everyone
Special life for just few one’s
Global life and global death
Broadcast live on internet
Global love and global met
Virtually, online chat
Global trade internally
Mankind debt externally
Globalism goes globally
It is real and virtually
Think globally act locally (hello Ioan glad to see you poeting again and the battle rejoined)
Think Globally…act locallly?
What is this meme so pertly spoken
like ” all for one and one for all”
another sop, a tossed up token
or the rally to arms a battle call?
Within the lies and dregs of the old
the uncut diamond hides yet not found
we breathe life into our stories yet untold
with Truth and Love to each other bound.
By their Fruits you know them, be not fooled
their love is power and their truth is death
To walk the talk they have not been schooled
But against them, united, we pass the test.
The Love that conquors death
Is the life that dies for Life
and leaves Truth as its bequest.
Thanks for your welcoming, I’ll try what I can, as Anonymous above said, one pill a day, will keep the doctor away. I need that pill any way at 65…
Globalism. A word a bit like democracy, humanitarian bombing ect. Very distorted.
Globalism allows me an insight into people of very different backgrounds from myself.
Baby and bathwater….?
in this cafe there is no chatter
silence tasting the flow now lookin for harmony
minding the floor of the Boulevards
tracing the family trace on savvy fingers
in the morning of silent nights of
real first messages in early adult miracle
There is something I really like about this website..It’s not just The Saker – It’s Scott too.
Anyhow – You guys have made it to The Official List…
I think Craig Murray is Jealous – cos he ain’t there (yet)
These are the sites to consider bookmarking, though some of them are crap, there are loads of omissions, and some of them shouldn’t be there at all as they are quite clearly pro-Clinton and anti-Russian.
Still not a bad effort from “an independent team of concerned American citizens” ((brainwashed sheep)) . Some really good websites have been included.
http://www.propornot.com/p/the-list.html?m=1
Tony
I have learned more from picking my Ukrainian nose than I have from that website.
I need to be checked for hazmats and radioactivity.
That site should come with a Toxic Materials warning.
I also tried to plant a thought IED. But could find no place to do it.
The owners obviously plan to suck up and kick down in their collapsing Empire.
Thanks to Janet Phelan for her investigative work into Biological Weapons issues in the US.
Her 6 minute presentation to the international Biological Weapons Convention —
http://activistpost.net/bwcreport%20ithaca.pdf
“Something is happening and you don’t know what it is, do you Mr. Bones?”
What the hell is going on? Has hell opened up in some kind of a perfect storm?
Saker posts an article which asks: “What are Ukronazis up to in Crimea?” Two Russian soldiers are kidnapped. What will Putin do? The Empire strikes Russia directly through Ukies.
Meanwhile, here in the US, the Empire tried to stop Trump’s nomination as Repub candidate. It failed.
Then the Empire tried to steal the election, and would have succeeded but the people voted for Trump in a landside. It failed.
The Empire paid thugs to riot on the streets and blame it on Trump. The Empire failed.
Then the Empire attacked the free alternative media by calling it “fake news.” thesaker.is even made the list. But the Empire failed again.
The Empire then said Russia was behind the fake news. It failed again.
Now Jill Stein is offered a deal she can’t refuse. The Empire gets her millions of bucks through the Demoncratic party. She wants recounts in three key states. Stay tuned on this one.
The Empire proceeds to set up Trump with the stock market. The dollar is getting really strong against gold and other currencies. Sounds like the boom and bust, sell high buy low tactic and other gimmicks like selling short. Is a collapse planned?
Is a civil war being planned in the US? Simple. Block Trump as president so no one is president and Obama must stay or Hillary enthroned with martial law.
Count Khazar and Countess Zioness are spending more time in the war room. Now is their hour to seize power. Does Trump have the trump cards to expose the false flags? I don’t know but I know I must act, according to the Bro 93 rule: “…action is needed…” and Lenin’s question: “What is to be done?”
Another Bro 93 maxim is: “Evil is a preference for the particular Ego over Universals.”
My universal is Love. On my walk today with the Love Army I learned a few about how that’s true.
In the meantime, Fukushima is heating up again. Thanks a lot, Count and Countess, in your safe Transylvania bunker with the tunnel to Dracula’s Castle. Were you taking Thanksgiving with your veggies while you poisoned us with toxic turkeys? If this is your Death Battle, where’s the max alert? Coming?
Freedom fighters are calling for prayers to God and Jesus. Will it help? I don’t know. I rely on Love. With the Love Army, I think love, send love, feel love, let love flow through my thoughts, body and soul.
On my walk with the Love Army, I saw up ahead the flag bearers with the US flag (you might see the flag of your country) and the Red, Brown and Blue party flag. We need a standard, a banner, a Universal (in Bro 93’s lexicon) to follow or gather around. No uncertain trumpet, trumpette or trump here, please. Too much at stake.
The Red, Brown and Blue party was founded and initiated on October 4th, 2006, at the fountain near the tower in Libbey (Liberty) Park in Ojai California, the feast day of Saint Francis of Assisi. The Love Government was birthed, founded and initiated nine womb months later at the same park on 7/7/07 at 7:07 am. Somewhere along the line of time the Love Army and Love Bower appeared here at the Love Cafe in this Love Vineyard.
Do you get the idea that Love is my Universal of Bro 93’s rule? No? Well, allow me to list the ten actions that the Love Army advocates and judge whether they meet the Bro 93 criteria.
But first, a warning. This is an ideal standard that no one can fulfill perfectly. When I think of who I am, I include my past and future. For most of my life, I did what I don’t do now. And as for the future, I might revert again. So if there is no “now,” who am I anyway? I’m just saying, the Love Army’s mission an ideal-real one. Anything, no matter how small, just a thought, in that direction helps. But it is critical to understand that this is the standard, flag, banner, trumpet of Love in a Universal sense, beyond any particular Ego, including and especially my own.
Here is the short list of love according to the Love Army and its love-power source, the Love Bower:
1. Think love.
2. Eat Eden Vegan.
3. Free animals.
4. Marry communally.
5. Free money from interest.
Those are the major five, like the digits of the dominant hand, the positive position. The minor five, stated negatively, follow:
6. Do not do drugs.
7. No abortion of convenience.
8. No unnatural contraception.
9. No prostitution.
10. No pornography.
This is briefly stated. Books could be written on each one. But the time is short for talking. Action is needed and these are actions that will stop war and send Count Khazar and his spirit-cooking mistress to flee for their lives. Remember, thought is an action that has universal effects, besides changing the neuronal and hormonal chemistry of our own brains and body.
To be really, really effective all ten are needed but every little bit helps to stop the Empire of Evil. And if we’re not doing that, what the hell are we doing? And yes, prose and poems might help too; that’s why I do it but without real actions of love to back it up, it’s largely useless, and even harmful for giving the illusion of helping. Love, love and more love.
4. Marry communally.
Can you explain what this means please? I get all the other points, but not this one.
To understand this, we have to go back to basics. When our species appeared, there was no marriage or coupling up in pairs for sex. Patriarchy invented marriage to control people by dividing them into pairs. In effect and by law, the married spouses own each other; no one else can interfere.
The effect of this is to disempower the community. The small community where everyone knows everyone else intimately and sexually is a strong force against the Empire, especially when all of these small groups interact with each other in love. The Empire has to break this power of the people; marriage and dividing people into pairs destroys the bonds of community.
In marriage, the woman had to go and live with her in-laws which took away her power of bonding with her sisters. It’s different today but when a woman gets married, her bonds with her sisters, if she has them, is weakened because she now lives with her man, who by law, owns her. Now she also owns him but that makes little difference to the Empire.
To sell this arrangement, patriarchy had to romanticize marriage and to pass laws that punished by death adultery. Later, the church joined in to support the state, in exchange the church did not have to pay taxes. Sure, things seem to have changed now but not really if you examine the whole of the patriarchy program. That’s why all ten points have to considered together.
Once again I have to caution that this is complex issue that has been going on for millenia. I am not suggesting that we have to suddenly change but at the same this is the standard of real love and that principle cannot be watered down, although it must be achieved a little at a time, if we are at all interested in surviving as lovers, or surviving at all on this planet.
Much more could be said, but I hope this helps. As always, I am open to questions or counter-arguments from you or anyone else. Thanks.
And how do children fit into this?
How is incest avoided if the children don’t know which ‘communal father’ is theirs?
To ‘adulterate’ means to make something ‘impure’. In the context of marriage, the woman was historically punished much more severely for ‘adultery’ .
For two main reasons :
a) the patriarch did not want to be burdened with the cost of raising other men’s children (only wealthy men could afford wives). Young attractive men were a threat to his power.
B) the increased likelihood of incest.
Hi. Incest is having sex with someone who is too closely related, like father and daughter, brother and sister, etc. Nature needs to expand the gene pool, not contract it. In our original condition, there were small communities but these encouraged males to travel to other communities and thus spread their genes widely. Womem could do this too but tended more to staying at home.
The Love Culture was matri-lineal, that is, the mother knew who her children were but not necessarily the father. Men supported this system until patriarchy overthrew it, when males came to own certain women and also wanted to own their own child who would carry on their name.
Remember that everyone knew everyone one else in a small community, and it was well governed by the elders, especially in sexuality which was critical to survival. As far as children go, they would have thrived under the love system, having safety and freedom.
I suppose I’m forgetting things that should be brought up. I’m going to attempt to describe these small communites below with a new post, under the heading of a Love Bower. Thanks.
You are missing the point about incest.
Your Eden would have no way of half or full siblings knowing they were related.
Incest is not just parent-child.
I disagree vehemently with your first paragraph.
Until the advent of the Industrial era, no-one traveled much from their own tiny village. At the most, the next village if it were close by. Horses, bullocks, were hard to come by and were needed to farm the land. Only the few war-lords had sufficient means to travel. However, they were constrained by class. It was not considered seemly to bed those of a lower class [the King of Denmark upbraided Peter the Great for breaking this rule] and most tales of regular rapings by the Lord of the Manor were tales told to foment class division.
IN a tiny village where life was ruled by the weather, the seasons, the needs of the farm, people intermarried. There was no-one else. In the end everyone was everyone elses’ cousin.
It did no harm – we are descended from them.
The claim that DNA needs to intermix has been shot down by geneticists extensively, time over. It’s a meme that wont die. DNA is much over-rated as having much to do with who we are. There are now known to be insufficient genes present to explain all our proteins for example.
Complexity Theory teaches us that we are driven to seek the most like/similar to ourselves in our highest values. By remaining in a small village, this need was more greatly satisfied. It led to groups of people who knew and understood each other very well, thus leading to optimising stability.
The desire of DNA to find difference is also blown out by two interesting, new facts.
From the studies of now nearly 3 million people world wide using MBTI [Jung based] Personality types, it is shown that those with the same 4 poles identical have the highest rate of both marrying and staying together in a happy relationship. In addition the 3 “types” who are the rarest therefor the least likely to find each other, have the highest incidence of divorce and loneliness.
Also the existence of DNA attraction syndrome – so named, but it’s not an illness, has come to light via the many single parent families, children who grow up not knowing a parent or siblings and the IVF industry, we have discovered that the most electric, unbreakable attraction and bonding occurs in those of the closest DNA similarity, including Father / daughter. The one proviso is that they dont know each other during childhood.
It thus seems that in this, as in so much else, our culture has been very wrong and has taught us things that are diametrically opposite to the reality of the world around us.
We are better off in terms of daily living with people we know well and are closest to in personality; and one on one partnerships are strongest and most long lived among couples who are most alike in spiritual values, integrity issues, intelligence and spirituality.
We take no harm from repeated close family matings over many generations.
Historically, this happened across the world for thousands of years, with no harm taken.
I grew up on the SE coast of England. When I was 13 yrs old I went to a little village in the SW coast, called Polperro, in Cornwall. There I met on the fishing bay, an old lady selling shells. She only spoke old Cornish. She had never once left her little village. She couldn’t understand me nor I her, but we lived only 300 miles apart.
The industrial revolution killed all that, and we were taught we had to have it, had to travel, had to mix.
What a wonderful world it has brought.
Anything against traveling?
But, what puzzles me most is that, usually, people who promote not to travel and stay since childhood to death in the same tiny village then happen to travel a lot, and not only to places near their home, even when international places, but mainly intecontinentally.
Isabella, but it is not you the same who are always saying at RI that you are planning to go living in Russia?
Where are you living now? If I am not wrong, by what you have told, you are living in Ecuador now.
Where have you lived before? If I am not wrong, by what you have told, you lived in Australia but not in one location, but in several places besides.
Then you were born in Wales, but changed residence place at least one time, exactly from East to West…So, if you got ot that conclusion at that early age ( I am supossing ), what were the reassons which took you to travel so much?
I would understand if you would come here saying that after a life travelling from one place to another you had reached the conclusion that the best is to stay at a tiny place from the first to the last day, but not when you are planning of changing residence once more time.
So, then, what are you trying to say here? That people should not travel? Who people ( since not you )? Why?
Moving from place to place is something that started with the Industrial Revolution, with steam boats, trains, cars and then airplanes. It was a concept – that anyone and everyone could and should travel.
I was born into that world, as were we all.
I was taken from my homeland as a child, no choice. Moving to find work after a war made possible by the Industrial Revolution caused massive population dislocation.
I grew up with the sense of being a white iris among English. I married an Australian, also part of a world that fostered moving around. Since I believed then [and do now] in the Naomi concept in a marriage [“wither thou goest I will go, thy people shall be my people] I returned to Australia because my husband wished to go home – naturally enough. I already felt I had no home anyway. I stayed in Australia because it was the best thing for my children, including travel within it.
I’m in Ecuador because I just don’t fit in with English people – and am still looking for that home.
I can’t go back to England, or preferably Wales – because I’ve been away too long, and England especially has been changed out of all recognition from what I knew. There are also financial constraints.
It’s like the words of the Neil Diamond song “LA’s fine but aint home, New Yorks home but it aint mine no more” [not sure of the places but the concept is right].
It’s why I agree with V. Putin – Russian babies shouldn’t be adopted out abroad. Yes, some will come and say “Rubbish – I was and I have no problem with being brought up American” or whatever. But many do spend their lives feeling like an outsider, and with a baby there’s no way of knowing which way their consciousness will develop.
I think, from what I have seen, that Russians have the closest in mind set, in emotions, to the North Welsh. I’ll always be Welsh. But maybe in Russia I can find that home that I’ve been searching for for a long time.
Some good, solid, extensive research has also been done which has shown that humans beings are happiest and develop best as people in groups of between 150 – 300. The size of the old village in fact. This village life which was common to the majority, was extensive across the world. It’ wasn’t just UK – it was Europe, India, Asia and Zuma, the inland region stretching across lower China, over Burma, where small villages free of any government at all flourished for thousands of years.
We aren’t meant to try and grow and grow. unlimited growth is wrong and impossible to sustain. We are meant to oscillate around a mean, which mean is the optimum for human stability. And research plus history shows that this is when people live in small groups and have a large amount of autonomy within those groups.
I am not advocating that “certain people should be allowed to travel”. The genie is out of the bottle, and there’s no putting it back. We got set off on a wrong course a few hundred years back – but we are on it now and stuck with it. We have to make the best we can -and the start of that is to acknowledge truths and try and move in the direction of them, not accept the garbage the profiteers of those lies would have us believe.
Club Orlov has several articles around this theme if you are interested.
No, it doesn’t explain anything I’m afraid.
I am fully aware of the various versions of History we told. Some are true, many are distortions that have to be weeded through. Most come with an agenda.
I know the angle about patriarchy etc etc. I would add, it only went for the rich and powerful. Those scrubbing for a living from the land, living in one room mud huts had no need for the patriarchy of knowing who the kids were so you could leave land etc to them. Did you know the early form of marriage among English peasantry was to jump three times over a broomstick, or even over a fire?. Take a run, grasp each other by the hand, and jump the fire. The Church had nothing to do with it.
I think you have a very narrow minded view, which sees marriage though a single lens.
Many married simply because we are driven by a Universal force, to find the complementary strength that comes from uniting the most like/similar of the masculine and feminine in us.
It’s a joining of spirit before it can be a satisfactory joining of body. Read up on Complexity Theory. Bi-polar complementary nature of the Universe is reflected throughout the working of the body of all animals and plants, to the presence of night and day, good and evil. So we have man and woman. The male and female. It’s not a narcissistic ‘just like me” that we seek, but the Yang/Yin complimentary nature of the the two principles, the greater than tenfold strength they both derive from the fusion of their souls, their energies, if you like.
We call it love. And if you have known utter total love for your complimentary “perfect other” I suspect you could never bring yourself to share this energy / soul fusion with anyone else.
It certainly explains why rape, rather than being a mere physical insult is such a huge devastation, because the victim has had something utterly repellent in their very essence try to force fuse their soul with the victim.
Which brings me back to your “communal marriage”.
I still dont know what you mean, practically, by it.
Do you mean each woman should marry more than one man? At the same time? Bed Fred Monday night and Joe Tuesday, sort of thing?
Does she get a choice?
Does every man have to have every woman in the community? Fred feels like hopping into bed with Mary tonight, but he’s booked for Shirley Friday?
Or is it that everyone gets together in a sort of group orgy?. All the men and all the women in one tent, or hall, everyone having a turn with whoever is around? I truly am trying to envisage what you are meaning, given that this kind of activity has never been in my life or vision of life, nor will it ever be.
Or is it that the community comes around to share in the joy of the union of the couple [similar to now]? Is that “communal marriage”?
Are you advocating polygamy here?
What if people don’t want it?
So – I still dont know what you mean by it.
Isabella said: ‘What if people don’t want it?’
…which is my immediate gut response to the utopian dream of ‘communal marriage’ …which amounts to a mandated (if not coercive) free-for-all in practice.
I was a teenager during the free-love 60’s era. In my experience that free-love quickly translated into a lack of choice on the part of the physically weaker (female) part of the equation.
‘Love’ can be used as just as much of a tyranny as any other coercive element, as I had already discovered in my family of origin. I have therefore avoided use of the word from a very early age. ‘Compassion,’ ’empathy’ and ‘kindness,’ being slightly more specific and practical, seem infinitely more useful and preferable to me.
I can’t help envisaging this ‘communal marriage’ utopia of Denis’ as no different from the awful ‘Children of God’ sex-cult.
The actual children of this cult suffered enormous psychological and emotional damage. Many commited suicide as young adults.
In my view, Denis has no idea what can of worms he’s opening with this ‘rule’, even though it seems well-intentioned.
He’s going to have to address it if he wants his utopian vision to gain any traction.
I agree with your comments Eimar.
As soon as I see two things [a] that Denis at no time defines what he means by “Love” although using the term and it’s generalised perception hugely, and [b] the pushing of this repellent “communal sex” idea again without specifying what that means in practical, day to day terms, I feel a combination of repulsion, nausea and turn-off.
I suspect his view of Love and mine are so far different, we are so far “out of tune” with each other we have nothing to say,
However, I suspect this might the case with most readers. I have never come across anyone with any time or inclination for this idea of “communal sex” outside of the fringe idiot dwellers like the P. Riot crowd – who I might add made a neat living from USA out of that – and the various fringe odd balls. Few to none of the mass of people want anything to do with it, which makes it very “cult” indeed.
And it’s a shame, because I think Denis means well, and is wanting to spread a good agenda at heart. Who can not want a world built on Love, acknowledging, as Ilyin did, that Love is the force that ultimately moves us all.
But he has made a major conceptual error with this one.
Likewise Isabella.
Also very much enjoyed reading your detailed comments, and appreciated your sharing your very interesting biography.
Poor Denis.
He means well, but all utopians tend to have a blind spot.
His is his failure to understand the strong need children have for significance: communal ‘belonging’ is not enough.
They have yet to make any appearance in his Eden.
Thanks for you kind comments Eimar.
I dont usually push my “biography” onto people, but in this case, this particular Anon seems to know me well from RI where I have posted quite a bit, and it did look as if I were castigating something [travel] for others for which I have made use. I felt therefor that his query deserved a response.
Appreciate your kind comments too.
“1. Think love”
Love, or better loving, is the opposite of thinking.
“2. Eat Eden Vegan”
will turn men impotent and women barren within 3, 4 generations.
“3. Free animals”
Domesticated animals are mostly unable to go feral, back to the wild.
“5. Free money from interest”
Interest is a minor issue. The question is: “Who ‘owns’ the money – the Jews or the people?”
“6. Do not do drugs”
What right do you have to interfere with my freedom, patriarch?!
“7. No abortion of convenience”
Abortions are avoided as much as possible, but are essentially every couple’s/woman’s free choice and right.
“8. No unnatural contraception”
I respect your choice, I hope your respect mine.
“9. No prostitution”
Keep dreaming, brother…
“10. No pornography”
Interestingly, the pornography industry is controlled by the same people who control the fiat money. Coincidence?
Interesting analysis…and I would also like to know if Denis Leary has some kind of personal/ family relation to Timothy Leary, since he is against drugs….
Also, I find all that stuff of “communal marriage” much into the field of cults and sects…..
” Eat Eden Vegan”
will turn men impotent and women barren within 3, 4 generations.”
Please do tell that to the Jains of India who have lived well and happily for many generations [they were the inspiration for Buddhism] on a totally vegan diet, from birth to death. They have no trouble reproducing.
Washington Post’s Piece on Fake News Promotes Fake List of Unreliable Sources
https://sputniknews.com/us/201611251047854990-washington-post-fake-news-propornot/
Beside the obvious absurdities of the zionazi propaganda mouth piece wp ragging about “fake news” when fake news is all they do, their “fake news” article ridiculed here is so unprofessionally done it relies upon sources which are obviously phony even to a 5 year old. Looking at the connections exposed in this Sputnik article about this propaganda ring, one can see how zionazis use multiple sites to reinforce their propaganda.
Trump Phenomenon’ Spreads to S Korea Amid Voter Outrage
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201611251047846934-trump-phenomenon-south-korea/
“Lee Jae-myung is aiming to be elected into office next year. His agenda includes the dramatic decrease of South Korea’s exposure to transnational corporations, rapprochement with North Korea, and putting acting president Park in prison over the corruption allegations.
Recently, South Korea has witnessed massive street protests over the corruption scandal and the fact that President Park cannot be held accountable for the sweeping mismanagement due to the provisions of the nation’s law. The street rallies have been the largest since the 1980s, and President Park’s approval rating has tanked to a dismal 4 percent. Korean voters have expressed their anger over the interconnectedness of the nation’s big business, the government, and international corporations – an issue Lee is aiming to resolve.
“Lee’s fast rise does seem to suggest that his supporters are sick of business as usual in the Blue House,” Steven Ward of Chosun University said. “Voter discontent with the establishment very well might be high enough to propel a populist into office on the protest vote, and Lee could be that person.”
First the Philippines, now south Korea? Without SK, how will the zpc/nwo take over North Korea? No chance for the pindo exceptionals to have another go and undo their humiliating loss in Korea? That’s gotta hurt.
@ vot tak
You are very optimistic and have forgotten that:
1 – SK is occupied.
2 – SK is critical for encirclement of China
3 – Reunification is not allowed.
4- The Empire needs the NK boogeyman.
etc.
My wife got run over by a car last week..but she’s O.K. – only broke her leg in two places
She is home from hospital now, and doing well..and she is asking me for girly stuff to cut..she just wants one pair of tights jeans etc or anything (already done the pyjamas) to look normal – cos our friend was coming round tonight..
I just make do with soap and water – and hair dye…and she doesn’t need the hair dye – she’s never used it…She is a natural blonde – it just grows out of her head.
So what are all these other bottles and stuff doing on her dressing table..she doesn’t even use make up (and neither do I )
She is Beautiful as She Is.
She will be Fine.
Gentle – one step at a time.
Tony
Sadly,one of the World’s giants has passed away today. Fidel Castro is dead at 90 years old. The towering symbol of resistance against US hegemony,the eternal Revolutionary will be missed.
This is indeed a great loss. Thanks Fidel, we will never forget you !
I remember seeing Fidel up close, within 20 feet or so, in 1958, in Houston International Airport.
I was eight years old and we were leaving Texas for Ecuador.
With floor to ceiling windows looking out on the tarmac, in the background, Fidel in olive green fatigues accompanied by a couple of other Cuban men attired the same, strode by purposefully to their own connecting flight.
For 10-20 minutes prior, that section was cordoned off by airport security, with nothing but stanchions and 2 inch thick 8 ft cords hanging between them, like you see in a bank, to form lines. I knew something was up, so I paid attention, and when Fidel strode by, I was the closest one, behind a stanchion observing, with only a few people behind me, probably hardly noticing Fidel.
I don’t think Fidel had declared his revolution “communist” yet. I tend to think conditions laid down by the Dulles brothers through messengers forced Fidel’s hand, on that one. It was either betray the Cuban people, turn to the Soviet Union, or die.
Same basic deal with Ho Chi Minh.
Later, with the Bay of Pigs, I recall tens of thousands in the streets of Guayaquil chanting “Cuba Si, Yanqui No!” which led to some repression, a few people shot in the streets, a week off from school.
I asked my dad (Republican…….not an FDR man….well like most Americans he really didn’t know or understand very much…) about the crowds and he said “With communism their lives might be better!”
This always struck me as being similar to his softer side, in terms of Arabs, In Saudi, 4 years earlier, after The Six Day War. He expressed sympathy for their down trodden condition which he picked up on from working with many of them, and knowing them. These two instances were just personal emotion, that were never expressed in any political philosophy or deeper understanding of History then or in later decades.
Except he did read Executive Intelligence Review for many years, after I sent him subscriptions where he read people like Jeff Steinberg, Webster Tarpley, and F William Engdahl.
The only real awareness I remember him ever expressing, a few years into his reading was the very somber observation, “The situation is a lot more complex than I thought.”
Two and a half years after those demonstrations in the streets in South America, he picked me up from school early, Nov 22 , 1963.
Of course the left right BS mind control was used by the Dulles’ to blame Cubans and a “communist” Oswald for what they had done. More Complicated Indeed!
The real Mr X, Col Fletcher Prouty in an interview with Jeff Steinberg covers Cuba and Vietnam, and quite a bit more (Saudi Arabia! ……Korea……. Nazis evacuated to US before end of WWII, before the Red Army could reach them…….in this old interview, which I believe sheds some VERY useful light on the difficult circumstances men like Fidel quickly encountered, in the post WW II, post McCarthy period:
https://youtu.be/VwnRCQua-ao
Posted on the Russian Presidential website:
Condolences following the death of Fidel Castro
Vladimir Putin sent a message of condolences to Raul Castro, President of the Council of State and the Council of Ministers of Cuba, in connection with the death of Fidel Castro, the leader of the Cuban revolution.
The Russian President’s message reads, in part:
“I offer my deepest condolences to you and the entire Cuban nation over the death of your brother, the leader of the Cuban revolution Fidel Castro.
The name of this remarkable statesman is rightfully viewed as a symbol of a whole era in modern history. Free and independent Cuba built by him and his fellow revolutionaries has become an influential member of the international community and serves as an inspiring example for many countries and peoples.
Fidel Castro was a sincere and reliable friend of Russia. He made a tremendous personal contribution to the establishment and progress of Russian-Cuban relations, close strategic partnership in all areas.
This strong and wise man always looked into the future with confidence. He embodied the high ideals of a politician, citizen and patriot who wholeheartedly believed in the cause, to which he devoted his life. Russians will always cherish his memory in their hearts.
In this mournful hour, I ask you to pass on my words of sympathy and support to all members of your family. I wish you courage and tenacity as you face this irreparable loss.”
The last of the dreamers is gone! But he left a monument to the brotherhood of men: his country as a beacon of hope for the downtrodden of this world.
The least we could do is to help that beacon shine for generations to come in memory of the great man of Cuba.
Viva Fidel ( The Faithful) !
Must-read article that compares Michael Parenti with Noam Chomsky and so exposes exactly what’s wrong with the American ‘left’:
https://lorenzoae.wordpress.com/2016/05/31/chomsky-vs-parenti/#conspiracy
Thanks Eimar for the link.
I used to be a Chomsky’s fan from reading his occasional lambasting in the media of Imperialist interventions and this shaped my perception of his persona. However, there were some discordant notes from time to time and I began to be more circumspect about his credentials as an establishment critic.
Your link completes and gives substance to my misgivings. In fact the dean of the USA left is a fake helping to sustain the establishment’s pretence that political dissent is permitted, the same role played by the many Trotskyite types more intent of furthering their careers than bringing the revolution: all con artists.
Excellent reading. I’d come across the notion of Chomsky as a ‘gatekeeper’ before but this piece really nails down the argument.
Thanks.
The effort to stop the hegemonic Empire from genocidally erasing Russia and taking over the Russian landmass seems in it’s final stages as the empire has used all the years since the actual end of WW11
to set up the ropes of the control of Europe, emphasising the natural inability of Europe to outgrow Nazi-ism, by covertly supporting European fascism in all it’s forms over these 70 years.
9/11 was US Government set up to remove all US law. The use of obsolete NATO, the US Pentagon’s
regime change tool for constant world wars, never ended as it was never set up to protect anything but US plans for global control but instead nullified the country laws of each new member as they joined. Of course the US will pay Europe’s NATO dues, forever. Letting their own infrastructure to rot.
Reality cannot be addressed until it is pointed out, debated fiercely, and proven. Everything the US orders is to remove speech and debate in all their forms or death. The over-riding Clinton Machine forms of faked political power are mafia massacres promoting fear. The use of which goes back surely thousands of years. Atomic power is unusable. Yet US constant meddling and 1000 % surveillance is only to force only antagonistic responses. TTP and TTIP and CETA are to automate global helplessness to US corporate hegemony by “legally”removing the power of governments to protect themselves. Borders are corporately removed all normal law becomes useless.
The US corruption was ingrained as an American source of pride by US President Harry Truman using the two Atom bombs on a totally defeated Japan have culminated in a self-destroyed, lawless USA in 2016. Unless US NATO is removed from Europe, entirely dismantled, Europe will also
destroy itself. Today it is half way there.
Please see all videos of Trey Gowdy debating how to install and use normal law to protect it’s use as a check and balance for healthy vast nation of the USA, both at home and abroad.
Now that our five minutes of hate has endured as long as this election cycle, can we just drop it folks? The broadcast hate is training the populace in ill will. We are facing an obviously unverified election which was shaped by a very partisan media and corporate players. I´m an optimist, and I like to project my vision while in my spiritual practice. Still, folks how can we go forward with such an obviously invalid election system? I, like many of you, felt such relief at the defeat of the Clinton machine. It would be a nightmare scenario for the election to be revealed as hopelessly jiggered. But that appears to be where we are, in fact based reality. I just think we should´t think this election is in the bag yet. The deep state, or whoever the hell is running this casino will not unclench their hands easily. Hold on to your hats!
Good morning. It’s still dark outside, with the thin crescent moon just over the eastern horizon. A cool 42 F out there, 10 degrees from freezing. The wood stove is warming this place up to near 90. I woke at about 4 and got out of bed at 4:44 according to my digital illuminated clock. I don’t know why anyone would be interested in these matters but I am so I write about them.
I want to talk about the Love Bower. This is the very crux of the matter, and if we don’t get this, we won’t understand anything of what’s going on in the world or in ourselves. The Love Bower is a metaphor that is very real, way more real than what this phony world amounts to, which is not much more than a hill of beans.
The Love Bower is our original condition, and also our aboriginal condition. By that I mean it goes way beyond the situation on this earth. Here I would have to use the metaphors of the stars, galaxies, universes and beyond ad infinitum. This would be impossible to grasp without the concept of love which binds it all together.
Love is the common denominator of everything. Our creators are lovers and we are lovers, according to all the evidence, including the evidence of our senses. Just look at our bodies or look in the mirror at your own naked body. Love is the given, the gift, without which there is nothing; sine qua non.
We were created by loving, not this “reinvent the wheel” technology which we so pride ourselves on. Instead of accepting the gift of love and enjoying it, we want to throw it aside and reinvent everything ourselves; what pride, what hubris, what stupidity. The Love Bower and Love Army avoid this “pride goeth before a fall” ignorance.
The Love Bower is a place, a situation, a home that is real. However, since we rejected it physically, we have to recreate it in our minds and imaginations; and eventually it will manifest physically. “Build it and they will come.” That refers to ourselves as lovers.
The bower of our origins is the template, the plan and the sine qua non specification of who we are. It is situated in time and space for us here and now, although it is not limited to that. We call it the Love Culture or Love Government.
It was a circular clearing with a food forest surrounding an area that could be home to a small community of lovers from 30 to 150; let’s say as large as a football field, more or less. There were trails that joined these bowers into a network. This idea (ideal) is the basis for phenomena far afield, like an internet or a starfield or a body. We were given this gift but we rejected it in the proverbial “fall of man.”
These bowers were located near water, wells, streams, springs, rivers, lakes and so on. Eden means “pleasure, where waters flow.” That’s the idea. Where there is water, life springs up: trees, bushes, grasses, forests and woods. Perfect places for loving and living, where the climate allows. This scene can be extrapolated to the modern world but not with the patriarchal suppression of freedom and God-awful methods of ruling.
Within the Love Bower there was an atmosphere and aura of love, expressed in affection, art, language, sounds and yes, communal sex that was well governed by natural rhythms and rituals. But remember it is a bower, not a brothel so characteristic of patriarchy. If we weren’t so drugged out, we could more easily imagine it.
A clearing in a food forest for living, loving, playing, eating, sleeping and enjoying. Not much like today’s world. A great place for children to grow up in and for the old to die in. Embedded and in bed with nature. Again, not much like our lives today.
The Love Army counsels us to “think love.” This is a start. This love language which was more of a feeling and telepathy which bonded the community. The word “love” is a search word that opens windows to that love world, and to worlds without end, all in love.
But that’s not enough. The other nine tenets of the Love Army and Bower are needed. I’ve described these dozens of times here. I can just close my eyes, relax, say the word “love” and fall into the love bower of love. I don’t have to even close my eyes. The very thought will do it, with practice.
The light is dawning. I can have the Love Bower right here and now if I want it bad enough. The Love Army shows the way to the Love Bower. The Love Army protects it. The same lovers go from bower to battlefield. This was never necessary until patriarchy destroyed the bowers and built its own brothel and casino system of power and money.
Just thinking that is a downer and a distractor from the Love Bower and its defenders in the Love Army. So I come back to the original practice of “think love.” I’ll continue this later. Now I’ll get ready for breakfast and the rest of the day. Love, love and more love.
“Within the Love Bower there was an atmosphere and aura of love, expressed in affection, art, language, sounds and yes, communal sex”
Once again you fail to define your “communal sex” or “communal marriage” concepts.
I am left to fall back on the idea of group sex, or group orgies, as advocated by certain people down the ages. Since it is wholly materialistic in that it totally eliminates the idea of the individual soul, spirit, or essence, which seeks to do something only man, of all the animals, can do or does do, it has nothing to do with love, and therefor it’s not surprising that in earlier times it was always linking to Satanic rites. Read any “Black Mass” or any Satanic ritual. They all, without exception, include group sex. It’s rabid, animalistic sex as in the hedonistic satisfaction of an animal, physical lust for it’s own sake coupled with nothing spiritual at all.
The one way regarding the – otherwise mechanical – reproductive act which separates man from animals is that we link sex with emotion, with love.
Love is hard to define, but it must be defined in order to understand what it is, and when the concept is being misused [usually for reasons of emotional blackmail]. Love is the name we give the emotion evoked in us when we find our highest values of character embodied in another; when we meet that one who compliments us as the Yang/Yin to our own Yin/Yang, as the “perfect other”. When we vibrate, if you will, at the same frequency. We also give the name to an emotion evoked in other spheres of life, such as the platonic joy we get from friends, and the special emotion linked to nurturing which we feel for family and children. We can mistake this in our search for love, we can meet those who seem to embody our ideals, only to discover down the track we were mistaken, but at the time, we were still acting out of love.
The idea of “romantic” love was first elucidated by the Troubadours of the early Middle Ages. And for the first time in recorded recent history [i.e. History of the last 5000 yrs] mankind began to experience sex with a change in consciousness – began, in fact to “make love” as opposed to the name given by the modernists who seek to destroy all we had built up, “having sex”.
Group orgies are merely an attempt to return to a pre-Middle Ages mind set, a somewhat Satanic one, and wipe true love, the dedication to ones own highest values found in another, from the scene.
I like the rather dismissive comment made my Vladimir Putin regarding “group sex” – or communal sex:
“Fans of group sex say its’ better than sex as a pair. I suppose it’s like any team endeavour – you can hide the fact that you’re no good at it”.
Good morning from S. Cal. Still dark and cold outside but wood stove warm and cozy inside. Hope you are all well and warm with love, or whatever you want to call it.
Many thanks to Anon, Isabella, Helen, __smr, Anon and Anon for your comments on communal love, marriage and sex. I will respond to what I understand your points are. Correct me if I am misunderstanding you. Sorry to be so brief. I wish we could sit around a cafe table all day and talk but we can’t.
@Anon 1 – “Your Eden would have no way for half or full siblings knowing they were related.” Their mother would know. In the love culture, which was matri-lineal, if they had a common mother, they would know from her that they were related. Physical traits would also give some clues. In this kind of love system there was no patriarchy. It didn’t matter who the fathers were, although it must have been much fun and joy to speculate about that.
@Isabella – “Until the industrial age no-one traveled much from their own village.” For serfs under any patriarchal system, this is generally true. But serfs or slaves are not in a love culture.
“…the needs of a farm…” In the love culture of our origins there were no farms; we lived in a natural food forest.
“In a tiny village, people intermarried…it did no harm…” The system of serf-slavery was very harmful. Close contact with animals is the origin of almost all traditional diseases.
“The claim that DNA needs to intermix has been shot down by geneticists…” I’m no geneticist. But doesn’t DNA mix with two parents? Doesn’t too close mixing cause defects, as with royalty like the Romanov’s?
“The only proviso is that they don’t know each other in childhood.” Doesn’t this support the idea of seeking different DNA?
“Club Orlov…Happiest in groups of 150 or less.” This is the idea of a love culture; individuals, particularly men, were free to move about from one “150” group to others.
“I think you have a narrow minded view, which sees marriage through a single lens.” I do. I agree. I see marriage through the lens of communal love and sex.
“Complexity theory.” I don’t know much about it but from the little I know, it seems to fit nicely with my description of many small groups interacting in a love culture.
“Two principles…we call it love…” Agreed but that does not equate with coupling arrangements for love and sex, commonly called marriage.
“Communal marriage? What do you mean?” I mean marriage to a community. It’s a difficult concept because we have no real examples of it in the modern world. I have described it here and will continue to do so.
@Helen – “…free-for-all…free love 60’s era…” What I mean by communal love and sex is not free or a free-for-all at all. In the love culture it was well governed with strict guidelines; and in a group where everyone knew everyone one else intimately, perversions would be quickly identified and dealt with.
“Love can be used as…tyranny.” Agreed.
“I have avoided use of the word love.” For you that might be wise.
@__smr – “Loving is opposite of thinking.” Good point. But we are thinking animals and so we must start from where we are.
“Vegan…men impotent and women barren.” See Isabella’s comment on Jains below.
“Domesticated animals can’t go feral.” Some can but it’s an awful situation, and begs the question why there are domesticated animals in the first place.
“Who owns the money?” Exactly.
“What right do you have to interfere with my freedom, patriarch?” You’re right on both counts: I have no such right and I am a patriarch.
@Anon 2 – “communal marriage…a field of cults and sects.” Possibly but not necessarily in a love culture and context.
@Anon 3 – “You fail to define your ‘communal sex’ or communal marriage’ concepts.” I can’t define them but I have described them within a love cultural context and I will continue to do so. Stay tuned.
“Orgies, Satanic rites, black masses, hedonistic and animalistic…sex…” These are perversions and corruptions of communal love and sex; they are not by any stretch of the imagination what I am advocating. I have experienced group sex without love and it is nothing, empty, frustrating, unsatisfying and stupid. I have said a thousand masses as a Catholic priest but never a black or satanic mass that is hedonistic or animalistic.
“Love is linked to emotion… and with a perfect other, and with romantic love a la troubadours.” Yes, it is but it’s not the kind of love I’m advocating. Emotions are wonderful but they are not the whole of the matter.
“Putin says fans of group sex say it’s better than sex as a pair. I suppose it’s like any team endeavor–you can hide the fact that you’re no good at it.” Who said Putin said this nonsense? So Team Putin is made up of people that are no good? Nonsense. Sounds like a Putin hating troll.
““Putin says fans of group sex say it’s better than sex as a pair. I suppose it’s like any team endeavor–you can hide the fact that you’re no good at it.” Who said Putin said this nonsense? So Team Putin is made up of people that are no good? Nonsense. Sounds like a Putin hating troll.”
I am happy to give you the link – Putin saying it himself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgaYag-XjTQ&t=452s
In this interpretation. Putin is saying one can “dodge being good at it”. In the other I have seen, it interprets his words as “hide being no good at it”. I dont know Russian, so cannot comment, however his scorn is fairly clear.
It’s a scorn I share, and still stand by my earlier comment – the very idea of group sex is repellent to most, is a form of degradation and goes completely against the Universal laws of bi-polarity and complimentary bringing maximum strength, and against the fact of total love between two people which makes them want only each other.
Thanks for providing the context for your quoted statement of Putin’s. Now I understand that it was related to the Pussy Riot group. I assume it is this group of young women who are “fans of group sex saying it’s better than sex as a pair.”
Is Pussy Riot saying that? I don’t know. Are these women practicing group sex? I don’t know. Do they think group sex is better than sex as a pair? I don’t know. I would need more evidence about their belief and practices.
I agree with Putin and the courts regarding the way Russia handled the situation, although I don’t really know much about it. The name Pussy Riot is inflammatory. Are these women seeking attention or something else? I don’t know their motivation. Whipping young women demonstrating on a lot somewhere connected to the Sochi games is cowardly and sadistic, like soft ISIS patriarchal tactics.
I certainly don’t agree with Pussy Riots actions. What is the message they are trying to convey? Freedom? Teen-age rebellion? Anti-establishment politics? I don’t know.
I don’t know Russian. From the translation, it seems Putin is comparing Pussy Riot to a team who is not good at what they’re doing. Or is he referring to an individual within a team? He is referencing some kind of “hiding.” Is this a veiled reference to his own team, or to teams within his government? Who knows?
You say Putin is showing scorn. I don’t know. It seems he is being quite tolerant and charitable.
You say you are scornful. About what? From your words, “the very idea of group sex is repellent to most…”, are you also saying that the idea may not be repellent to some? I have not used the term “group sex” as something I would favor. I do favor “communal sex” which means a well-governed and safe practice within a love culture.
You say group sex is a form of degradation. I also think it is, at least judging from the ones I’ve been in, because it lacks a love context and a love culture. But then a counter-argument can be made that the coupling-up arrangement is also a degradation. Are you equating “group sex” with “communal sex”?
You say group sex “goes completely against the Universal laws of bi-polarity and complimentary bringing maximum strength…”. This is an unwarranted assumption. You are assuming what you wish to prove. I can assume the opposite. Both of us are free to have our own opinions and to share them here. If we want to know the truth of the matter, we have to go on evidence, not feelings or wishful thinking.
You are likewise assuming as fact, “the fact of total love between two people which makes them want only each other.” I think the evidence is otherwise. Divorce, domestic violence, child abuse, marriage stress, staying together for sake of the kids and other reasons all argue against coupling-up marriage arrangements.
Communal love and sex has been rejected by our patriarchal culture of war. We don’t have it anymore but we once did. I advocate for restoring our lost state of love and sex to stop war and all our degradations under the Empire rule.
Thank for you input. I hope that your own marriage is loving and fulfilling.
On the syrianperspective website they just changed the comments with a nice bit of code, so that now only the first paragraph of a comment is shown, and if you wish to read the full text of a given comment, you simply hit the “more” button at the bottom of the paragraph.
It allows you to scroll quickly through the comments to see who and what is posted, without having to scroll past many full-page-long comments.
Please consider adding that feature here if it is feasible.
[The webmaster gave it a try, already. It was voted down by the Vineyard community as an undesirable change, if you’ll recall, and the plug-in was uninstalled~ mod.DG]
First this:
” But doesn’t DNA mix with two parents? Doesn’t too close mixing cause defects, as with royalty like the Romanov’s?”
No. The odd random spontaneous mutation that doesn’t kill outright – or at least before reaching maturity and sexual reproduction – is very rare. The parental DNA-DNA “mixing” is simply the natural way of reproducing.
We are all derived from small groups of people who inter-married for generations. Eventually we ended up all marrying our cousins – of one degree or another. Life over many generations in a small village does this. It produced us, and we aren’t dribbling idiots. This pattern has been repeated over a 2 -3000 year span all over the world. There are no villages full of dreadful mutations.
I’m afraid your concept of “community marriage” still makes no sense to me as I try to envisage it’s practical, day to day practice.
Can you answer the question I left for you above re some examples I posited regarding how it is practised i.e. everyone on one tent jumping everyone elses’ bones, or Fred hopping into bed with a different woman every night or what?
I do need you to give a practical example.
The other thing I realise is that you have not seen anywhere I have read of your thesis, what your definition of Love is.
You use the word a lot, but in a very vague, undefined sense, so that I honestly have no idea what you mean by it.
Do you differ the love held by a person for a friend, a child, a highly respected person? do you differ from these the love held by one man for one woman and she for him? What do you base this love on?. Or are you using it in a general sense as did Ivan Ilich, who defined it as the force which drives life – with which definition I agree incidentally. However it does then require us to decide to what we will direct and use this force. Love for Mamon, for evil, or love for beauty and holiness and good?
And thus what we look for in people, which is the highest of values.
I would add, that unless you define Love, and also the practical application of your “communal marriage” I dont see much point trying to discuss this anymore. I cannot discuss something if I have no idea what your’ concept of it is. I would add, I believe very much in the concept of “romantic love” as described by the Troubadours of early Middle Ages; by the sense of an emotion so great that it binds one to the evoker of that emotion, making a feeling between them a bond different to any to any other, and more special than any other.
I believe this can only be felt at any one time as a one-on-one relationship, although it can pass from one person to another over the course of a lifetime. I also believe that this came about because of a change of consciousness in humans, so that we, first and foremost from the animal kingdom could feel such an emotion [animals do love, but not as we can] and that we alone, mankind alone, can fuse the sexual impetus and joy with love. Not everyone is aware of this, but I believe it to be recent in mankinds’ development over the last 5000 yrs, and is not shared by everyone. It has to be learned and sought for. But it is the ultimate discovery and achievement I believe.
I dont’ see your undefined “communal sex, marriage” as fitting into my concept of love in any way at all. Maybe it fits your concept of love, but since I have no idea what this is, I cannot say.
I would like to add, I am not seeking to upset you in anyway. It’s just that the concept of Love has been part of a lifelong belief for me, and I think you have confused what Love is with an erotic activity without saying how they are expressive of each other. I think you’ve made a conceptual error in other words.
Your ideas about life I quite like in general, – obviously I think you are hopelessly wrong to dismiss love and sharing living between humans and animals as well.
Look forward to your comments.
Let me try…
Firstly, marriage is not about love, never was. Mills and Boon have a lot to answer for, 50% divorce rate for one. Marriage is and has always been about family, producing children and having the combined financial resources to ensure their survival. If you want to pair bond, call it a betrothal or partnering; it ain’t marriage. It also plays the stabilising role of formalising who is with who, giving social acceptance to their sexual activities and frowning on adultery or loose sexual morals. This is important, otherwise male-on-male violence would break society.
So Community or Communal marriage is about the birthing and raising of children by the village, rather than the via the nuclear family. So rather than two people being married for life being responsible for the raising of children, the pairing of two people would be divorced from child-raising. Before capitalism and the modern era, this was largely how society worked in the country (where most people lived). Often aunties and grandmothers raised the children so the parents could go back to work. People could stay together as a mating pair, or move through various relationships as people do now. The children are raised by the village regardless; too important a job to be left up to the vagaries of love.
We humans are way to immature for anything approaching free love anyway.
“Marriage is and has always been about family, producing children and having the combined financial resources to ensure their survival (…) It also plays the stabilising role of formalising who is with who, giving social acceptance to their sexual activities…”
Well, at least one of the most honest description of marriage I have seen since…well…ages….
On the other issue, that the children must be raised by “the community”, well, depending of what we are we going to consider “community”.
If you mean, as you have pointed out, family members of the children, of course, this has always been how have been raised the children of working class people ever in the world, but, if you mean being raised and brainwashed by a “sectarian community” with an old crazy narcissist at the top, definitively, not, man.
Cheers Anon,
I learnt this next point during second-year Sociology. There is a famous thought study based in a prison where the cells face a guard tower with mirrored windows. At any one time, the prisoners don’t know if the guard is watching them, so they behave just in case. This is the problem with the nuclear family, no-one is watching. As the parents are ‘sovereign’ in the household, no-on can see what is happening in the shadows. When we live communally, even just more socially as we still do in the country, people are on their better behaviours as everyone is watching. A paedophile can quite easily hide in our society, and they often attain positions of power to ensure they continue to stay hidden. In a communal setting this person would quite quickly be exposed, and sanctioned before their proclivity became all-encompassing. And the all too-regular abuse that is happening inside our closed doors and locked windows is creating more sociopaths, sending our society into a death spiral.
Living communally will also socialise our children to be more socially-responsible, rather than producing the selfish drones we are churning out these days.
@ Earthrise
“producing the selfish drones we are churning out these days”
One is entitled to wonder whether you are including your children in that swarm. If yes, whose fault is it? If no, your argument falls flat.
You may like to write exorbitant verbiage and schoolroom stuff but, to be credible, you have to put some thought and a dash of modesty to your utterances.
Looks like I hit the nerve of someone raising selfish drones. Don’t be too upset with me, we are all raising selfish drones. Some of us are trying to instil old values, send our kids off to Catholic school, limit the MSM and correct selfish behaviour. Western vales are the problem, we have contained in our paradigm the seeds of our own destruction. We are rewarded as adults for being selfish and greedy in a liberal and capitalist system, and lazy if you add representation. This lack of civil responsibility and social capital will collapse our society one day.
And while you are add it, instead of throwing mud what about putting forward your own ideas instead of insults?
That is what I would call the ‘extended family’, usually clan, but also as wide as ‘village.’
I would not call it ‘communal marriage’, as none of those tasked with child-rearing have any need of formal union: their relations occur organically.
The relations Denis refers to are between adults.
He never mentioned children or child-rearing in his utopian vision until asked.
Of course Dennis can and will defend himself, I am only unpacking the term “communal/community marriage”. I think if I were advocating a system of Free Love, I would not call it marriage (which is the opposite). But if ‘community marriage’ is about the village raising the child, then the marital status of the parents is less relevant. In this society we could have a situation of free love and unconfirmed paternity, as the resulting child will be looked after by the village and not the pair-bonded. The issue raised above about Paternal longing is something socialised into us from our current value system; for the length of Civilisation not many of us have known our fathers. What seems key to me is that child gets raised in a loving environment which teaches empathy; nothing else really matters.
Two of the greatest dystopian books that deal with this issue; are 1984 and Brave New World. In 1984, all love between Party members is banned, and children are taught to turn in their parents. This speaks to Anon’s point above about a “sectarian community”, and also the danger to a totalitarian regime of a separate pole of loyalty; Love. BNW does away with all forms of relationships, with conception being handled by the State in factories. People regularly take the drug “Soma” which makes people happy and facilitates Free Love. It seems thinkers about the Future see the paring of two people and the resulting family as a threat to their power structures. Sounds like a reason to keep it in place.
I think the raising of children in loving and empathic environments trumps all individual rights (except for life); as we all have to live in the future where these otherwise broken children will be in charge. I don’t think people can live in an environment of Free Love; we are just too flawed and savage for this yet. In BNW, the only way this worked is by keeping the whole of society in a drug-induced state. Free Love, like Anarchy, is a for angels and saints. We who were made out of this dust will have to suffice working within the social constraints developed over millennia to shape our souls into useful members of society. When capitalism is defeated and we revert back to our feudal state, Community Marriage will be one of the advantages we will regain. Free Love unfortunately will have to wait for a more civilised time.
I dont agree re marriage being soley about children Eimar.
Mills and & Boon are a last 5 min phenomenon compared to the human race.
It’s about the universal law of like:like; for strength and growth.
Its the need for males and females to seek each other for the strength the feminine and masculine principle working together bring.
That’s been around a lot longer than anything else – children are the by product of it.
Hi Isabella.
I was thinking of marriage as an institution.
The institution functions to legitimize the offspring of men and women.
It originally sprung from the desire to corrall women, so that men could raise only their own offspring: hence the surname (male, identifying offspring as belonging to the patriarch, and the severe punishment for adultery – the ‘adulteration’ that may arise from pregnancies due to other males outside of the union).
This doesn’t have anything to do with the personal motives – love, desire – of individual men and women, for whom marriage is a socially- approved statement of commitment. That is actually a secondary function.
This is supported by the fact that many marriages in non-Western cultures are not romantic, or decided by the participants: they are arranged by the intended families.
Of course, the ideal is always romantic, since that is the best ‘glue’ – love – to raise children in.
This is never more poignantly demonstrated than when a father – and it usually is the father – decides to kill the children out if hatred of the mother – so-called ‘family annihilators.’
Agree with Earthrise – the ‘village’ is the safest child-rearing system: the nuclear family is a hothouse, and all too often both internal and external pressures can turn it into a pressure-cooker.
But it is still essential as a focal point: witness the strong desire of the adopted to at least know where they came from.
Which means you consider sibling incest a non-issue.
Ever wonder if the ‘speculation’ mightn’t be so ‘fun’ for the offspring?
Check out the term ‘genealogical bewilderment’, a psychological issue arising from the use of anonymous sperm donors to sire children.
And also I’d love to see Saker interviewed by Alex Jones. It is surprising how ignorant people are about Russia especially how high tech and innovative the scientific community is.
But I have understood, by diving in the Saker archives, that he did not get along well precisely with Antiwars.com….at least in the past, here is his own opinion on the antiwar alt-media:
/new-contact-information-for-the-saker/
/an-open-letter-to-my-friends-and-visitors/
Dear Saker,
Congratulations on being nominated to “the list.”
Surely to be seen as a badge of honor.
Thank you for your fine work.
Ignacio Talon
Deadly Weapons Workshop.
I want to encourage Dennis to write more poetry or stream of consciousness stuff than prose tracts. I don’t know where the archeological evidence is for the nirvana he proposes is accessible by the lowest chakra. Although he says lower than the bottom of the pelvis is the feet, I don’t want to quibble with that.
I feel the feet should be planted solidly, firmly on the ground,
And that disease specialists will urge us not to screw around
Too much. I confess, the finer feminine form, like with any bloke
Draws my roving eyes. But there is one only, I ever wish to poke!
And that would be my betrothed. So, I missed a lot of the God prose that supposes a lot about the Garden of Eden and the bad rap Eve got. I agree that spirit, Love reigns over earth, air, water and fire, so Love has to be the most constant refrain. I just think the Love Whole has to rule over the parts, especially the private parts, because that can all get too confusing, too all-consuming, real fast, even for adults. But for children? I don’t think I’ll risk that.
The Whole Is Greater Than The Parts
So I’ll leave the Tunnel of Love for the amusement parks,
And to the dating and wooing, the butterflies and sparks
Of swimming up next to all those fantastic fish in the sea,
That Infinite Ocean, that Universe of Beauty, Femininity,
To the bachelors, those bare chested Marlins and sharks,
And looser ladies than my sweetie, targeting their marks.
Oh. Workshop. Sorry I got carried away by the # 1 theme of poetry! Love!
SO, WORKSHOP:
Pope’s next Epistle in the Essay on Man (and his better, more intuitive half) deals with Self-Love and the fact that “The business of Man is not to pry into God” (such as whether He wears pants or She wears a Skirt) “but to study himself”.
And Pope says something very interesting about WHY the Essay on Man is in poetic form and not prose:
“This I might have done in prose, but I chose verse, and even rhyme, for two reasons. The one will appear obvious, that principles, maxims, or precepts so written strike the reader more strongly at first, and are more easily retained by him afterwards: the other may seem odd, but is true, I found I could express them more shortly this way than in prose itself; and nothing is more certain, than that much of the force as well as grace of arguments or instructions depends on their conciseness…..”
I am no Pope or Keats, but I have found that this is so for myself, and my meager attempts to communicate ideas, also.
Pope’s scores of pages of essays on Man, on Criticism, etc are said to be in “heroic (rhyming) couplets”. I have somehow gravitated to the same thing, realizing that what he said above is also true for me, though my skill is pathetic in comparison to his.
Yet, pathetic as it may be, here is the next installment of Essay on Man, Verse 1, Epistle 2, from the not at all pathetic Alexander Pope:
I. “Know, then, thyself, presume not God to scan;
The proper study of mankind is man.
Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise, and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the stoic’s pride,
He hangs between; in doubt to act, or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a god, or beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reasoning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little, or too much:
Chaos of thought and passion, all confused;
Still by himself abused, or disabused;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurled:
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!
Go, wondrous creature! mount where science guides,
Go, measure earth, weigh air, and state the tides;
Instruct the planets in what orbs to run,
Correct old time, and regulate the sun;
Go, soar with Plato to th’ empyreal sphere,
To the first good, first perfect, and first fair;
Or tread the mazy round his followers trod,
And quitting sense call imitating God;
As Eastern priests in giddy circles run,
And turn their heads to imitate the sun.
Go, teach Eternal Wisdom how to rule—
Then drop into thyself, and be a fool!
Superior beings, when of late they saw
A mortal man unfold all Nature’s law,
Admired such wisdom in an earthly shape
And showed a Newton as we show an ape.
Could he, whose rules the rapid comet bind,
Describe or fix one movement of his mind?
Who saw its fires here rise, and there descend,
Explain his own beginning, or his end?
Alas, what wonder! man’s superior part
Unchecked may rise, and climb from art to art;
But when his own great work is but begun,
What reason weaves, by passion is undone.
Trace Science, then, with Modesty thy guide;
First strip off all her equipage of pride;
Deduct what is but vanity or dress,
Or learning’s luxury, or idleness;
Or tricks to show the stretch of human brain,
Mere curious pleasure, or ingenious pain;
Expunge the whole, or lop th’ excrescent parts
Of all our vices have created arts;
Then see how little the remaining sum,
Which served the past, and must the times to come!”
And that’s It. Work to be Done!
And a couple of workshop tips:
Tip 1. Have http://www.rhymezone.com up and use it frequently, if trying out the above poetic format, which Pope does, over literally hundreds of pages, including his translations of the Illiad and the Oddysey that propelled him to poetic prominence. One gets the sense that this form became the way he thought, and not just the way he expressed his thoughts.
Tip 2. Use rhymezone to keep or discard or change around the word order.
Tip 3. Sharpen Deadly Weapons of Poetry before “putting on the full armor of God” (or Man) and entering the arena, the battleflied of Ideas and Politics.
Isn’t the above passage useful for the God/Man/Woman debate??
Many thanks for Pope’s Essay on Man. Really great ! I will drop an eye on the link provided by you but also I will try to preserve my thoughts and my shaggy style. I’m stubborn, always wanted to go on my own way, at this age I cannot change that so easy. At the other hand, my situation does not permit a concentrated learning at this time.
It’s loose. The Deadly Poets have no central command.
Anarchy. Literally “No ruler”.
Actually it’s Monarchy. One Ruler. But no one else pays him or her any heed. But something has to direct the brain to direct the fingers to strike the key board keys. So yes, the Poet is a Monarch, not a baboon striking keys anarchically.
Internal Monarchy, External Anarchy. Freedom. Love.
How this fits in with communal sex (which is all theory and no practice, in my case) I can’t even begin to theorize.
The Love Army has one commander named Leary, who suggests orders, which the ladies promptly call him on, for the peccadillo of patriarchal patronizing.
The priest then confesses himself and a lot of individual monarchs go about their business, respecting each separate Monarchy in a sea of Anarchy.
There’s a poem in this somewhere.
But this is Deadly Poets Weapon Honing Shop.
I don’t even no why rhyme is used so much. But it does seem to tie things together. Why does it work? How does it work? I don’t even know………..
Actually I only recommend Rhymezone as an aid to the newest poet-recruits, like Martin SEB, who did 2 lines. Pope, Keats, Schiller et al did not have or need such a crutch. But Martin was not a native english speaker, and people like him could use it to go from 2 lines to 200 or 2000.
I don’t depend on the crutch. It’s better to have the rhymes just bubble up. But sometimes I get stuck. And I don’t have all day. So then I go to Rhymezone and usually either get unstuck, or change the troublesome word at the end of a line to some other word.
And the point is to get the ball (or spherical stone, discreet souls, Martins of the world) rolling:
A rollin’ stone gathers no moss.
A rollin’ stone hasn’t a boss.
A rollin’ stone’s like that coin that you toss.
Some might think my life’s a loss.
A rollin’ stone never gets lost.
All from the Kingston Trio song, early 60’s. Or late 50’s:
https://youtu.be/A6Y8fQpEI28
You, ioan can give tips too. No structure. No command. Or keep your secrets to yourself…….But you got rolling a long time ago and made dozens of poems. Maybe hundreds. Something you share may get someone rolling! They might appreciate the help.
Call Deadly Poets Workshop, whenever you want. Or don’t. Some of the pros give tips. Edgar Allen Poe comes to mind. Discussed how “The raven” got composed. Maybe I’ll post that. A bit long though. Are there others, in your language(s)? Translatable excerpts???
Well, well, well….and what have we here?
None other than Chief Sprout Juncker making conciliatory noises about Russia:
https://www.rt.com/news/368363-juncker-russia-obama-error/
My. Criticizing Obama? The ‘exceptional’ leader of the ‘free world’?
Talking up an EU Army storm?
Someone’s either nervous – or been handed a different script.
Wonder if the Fotyga NATO-led EU resolution against Russian ‘propaganda’, along with NATO squawking for EU to step up to the plate is finally getting through to the seriously thick skulls of the Euroweenies?
That yeah, the ‘crazies in the basement’ are banging on the EU door and they really will start a war?
Personally I think EU should just hire the RF Army and cancel the NATO contract. Most of Western Europe would be pleased.
NATO would look much cuter sandwiched between EU and RF. Much slimmer and healthier.
And still hugely attractive to the Baltics.
When you don’t speak each other’s languages too well – you do it with gestures, looks, arms, cuddles, kisses – a primitive kind of human intimacy – even if you have only just met them in a foreign land.
We are all humans – even us English from Up North.
I must admit I do prefer Girls – but I cuddle and kiss blokes too.
I even Dance with them – especially if I think they might be Gay.
Personally, never fancied it myself.
Where does the Baby come out?
I know where the food goes in…
but basically, i think most of us humans are really nice…and we can read between the lines.
without my sense of humour and my looks and my smile – i’d be dead.
i just basically try and be nice as does my wife.
We connect
Tony