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Militia Commander Givi about Minsk Agreements, ceasefire and work of OSCE (Eng. Subs)

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  1. Dennis Leary on March 14, 2015  ·  at 6:34 pm EST/EDT

    I love to hear a brave man speak fearlessly. Truth comes out and cleans out the crap and clears the air. Ah, fresh air. What a relief.

    • Anonymous on March 14, 2015  ·  at 8:27 pm EST/EDT

      Agree. He is in a position f

  2. Daniel Rich on March 14, 2015  ·  at 7:10 pm EST/EDT

    “Don’t call… just shoot!’

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t… what gives?

  3. Ian.k on March 14, 2015  ·  at 7:51 pm EST/EDT

    I agree Dennis. I for one will no longer support the Red Cross as it is clear they are behaving in a partisan way. I believe in the east coast storms in the USA, a year or two ago, they were driving around in trucks to look busy. Clearly an organisation that has lost its way.

    • Anonymous on March 14, 2015  ·  at 9:35 pm EST/EDT

      Just be thankful that the Red Cross wasn’t working for regime change like in Russia 1917.

      • David on March 15, 2015  ·  at 1:14 am EST/EDT

        Oh God, I wish you hadn’t reminded of that despicable ploy funded by the Rockefeller cartel. But I also know it’s important that we don’t forget, because the same sort of deceit is being used today, but on a larger scale, and people continue to die because of this wickedness.

    • SanctuaryOne on March 14, 2015  ·  at 11:51 pm EST/EDT

      Like most organisations, NGOs etc.I have to assume that the Red Cross is riddled with CIA operatives or those that report back and show obedience to the Hegemon. OSCE too by the sounds of it.

    • Anonymous on March 15, 2015  ·  at 12:38 am EST/EDT

      My first tip-off that something was very wrong with that bunch was when Misrata was under siege by Qaddafi loyalists – Qaddafi naively allowed the ICRC access to the port, apparently to allow the wounded out and “humanitarian aid” in. The NATO “rebels” never seemed to run out of weapons and ammo, and I believe that’s what the ICRC was shipping in.
      Barely a peep out of the bastards too when their employee was shredded by Ukie cluster munitions – imagine their outrage if the DPR had somehow killed him.

  4. Spiral on March 14, 2015  ·  at 8:50 pm EST/EDT

    Agree. He is in a position very few humans are: he is in the eyes of the several real vortices (war, geopolitics, local and global liberation struggles) and has certain power/responsibility and ability to control their evolution. And it helps that, unlike ukrops, his personal and group ethics match and are supported by vast majority of the world. Certainly by me and most people here.

    Regards, Spiral

  5. Veritas on March 14, 2015  ·  at 10:02 pm EST/EDT

    Dear The Saker,

    You can’t blame Givi – the OSCE has been an utter joke. Kiev can do whatever they want. Remember no Minsk 3 if this breaks down, and this time the NR army will not stop when they are ahead. It is a shame Russia sent its tranche of IMF money already – it will just go into the pocket of the corrupt junta and arms to kill more innocent people :(.

    Rgds,

    Veritas

    • Ann on March 15, 2015  ·  at 3:20 am EST/EDT

      agreed. No more Minsks. So sad, but three times pays for all…so the saying goes. Putin won’t require them to stop the fighting again I guess. Unless there might be some reprieve in the ‘sort of’ ceasefire. But no more withdrawls…

      They only withdrew to prove it to the world anyway…they knew Ukraines weren’t going to abide by the Minsk. I hope they don’t try to prove it to an unworthy ‘world’ again.

      Just get the damn thing over with…take over Kiev.

    • Kat Kan on March 15, 2015  ·  at 9:05 am EST/EDT

      The amount of IMF loan Russia provided is exactly what Ukraine has to pay up front for the next 2 or 3 weeks of gas.

      If Gazprom gives them the gas on a pay-later basis, they will argue forever about how much, what they got, what they didn’t get, the price was wrong etc etc and not want to pay. Poor Gazprom, a business, would be out of pocket forever.

      This way Gazprom gets paid. Ukraine owes to Russia and it’s a loan, with no chance to argue what got delivered in exchange for it. Long term, it just adds to how much Ukraine owes Russia when they default on all their loans.

  6. TerraHertz on March 14, 2015  ·  at 11:34 pm EST/EDT

    I hope someone adds a translation.

    • TerraHertz on March 15, 2015  ·  at 11:35 am EST/EDT

      My bad I guess. It didn’t seem to work then. Now it does.

    • David Parker on January 23, 2018  ·  at 11:20 pm EST/EDT

      Click the closed captions (CC) button at the bottom of the window. If there is a translation, you can read it onscreen.

  7. вот так on March 15, 2015  ·  at 2:43 am EST/EDT

    A few interesting interviews with Novorussian women soldiers. I remember seeing the one interview with the 17 YO at the airport, who lost her fiance and father, but I don’t remember seeing these interviews posted here before. The first interview is a different soldier than the one at the airport, BTW. Both the women in the following interviews are gingers and both would like to become psychiatrists after the war. An odd coincidence.

    [eng subs] Interview with 17 y.o. girl serving in Motorola’s unit

    Published on Oct 27, 2014 – [eng subs] Interview with 17 y.o. female NAF soldier Ryzhik — Serge’s wife

    [eng subs] Interview with female NAF officer Gaika

    Published on Oct 13, 2014 – [eng subs] Interview with female NAF officer — howitzer battery commander Gaika [Gadget Hackwrench]

  8. Ann on March 15, 2015  ·  at 3:16 am EST/EDT

    Poor Givi, i can sense the frustration. The west is becoming more and more dishonest. Its shocking.

    • TerraHertz on March 15, 2015  ·  at 11:55 am EST/EDT

      Wait, was there some point at which the Ukie forces showed some slight honesty? Since the CIA & State Dept engineered the Maiden coup with piles of Newland money, same snipers shooting both sides, incinerating people in buildings and forming a government of selected Nazi puppets? Who actually said they’d like to exterminate all the people of E Ukraine. Then set about doing it, while calling it ‘anti rebel campaign’ and similar bullshit. Along with “what encirclements? Our troops are not trapped!” (twice) and the perpetual “It’s the damned Russian army, that’s why we haven’t won yet!” Oh and “Putin shot down MH17, we have a video to prove it!” (Video edited by Kiev Interior Ministry about a day before the shoot-down, thus proving own guilt and planning of that downing.)

      I must have missed that moment of honesty in there somehow.

      What I do see is the exact same utterly inhuman and genocidal mentality at work in Kiev as rules in Israel, and by proxy, the USSA.

  9. PQ on March 15, 2015  ·  at 9:52 pm EST/EDT

    Love this guy. He comes across as authentic, sincere, committed, and courageous — all the things we want in a leader.

    In fairness, though, while the OSCE obviously has a Western bias, it’s not 100 percent. Or, put another way, the OSCE hierarchy may lean heavily toward the West, but they are not reflecting what the monitors on the ground are telling them. Further, the Western media tend to cherry pick the SMM reports to make it appear that all the violations are on the DPR/LPR side, so we’re left with the impression that the SMM teams don’t report UAF violations. I read the OSCE reports daily, as I know others here do, too. From what I’ve seen, they do criticize the Ukrainians. In fact, I nearly fell of my chair laughing with this bit at the end of a recent dispatch:

    At a Ukrainian Armed Forces checkpoint north of Mariupol a SMM patrol was not allowed to pass. When the team tried to explain the role of the SMM, referring to relevant documents, the commander tapped his assault rifle and stated that here, ‘Mr. Kalashnikov decides who goes where’. The team decided not to argue with the commander and aborted their patrol.

    Someone probably has posted on this site that the Ukrainians have complained that the SMM teams are biased because they have too many Russians! The SMM have noted several times that they have to declare the nationalities of team members before being allowed to enter government-controlled areas, with attempts to refuse entry to Russian team members. At least once that I recall, the team was required to surrender their cell phones and sim cards. The SMM also has noted several instances of inconsistencies in the location and number of government equipment that was supposed to be withdrawn, and they complain often of not being allowed to follow UAF operations far enough to verify whether they are adhering to the terms of Minsk-2. Some individual reports on a given day are slanted against DPR/LPR. But taken overall, there is more of a balance.

    I totally get where Givi is coming from, though. From where he sits, the SMM should see the rightness of his cause and the treachery of the coup government, and any attempt at neutrality is seen as being against him and for the other side. I have a strong feeling that many of the individual monitors do sympathize with him privately. They just can’t say so officially.

    • RockyRacoon on March 16, 2015  ·  at 3:15 am EST/EDT

      His men are being fired upon and getting hit. Three in one day that could have just as easily been three dead soldiers. And mortar fire how do you miss that? And he has to stand down. Yeah I would say he was pissed. I just hope the junta hasn’t received overwhelming hardware when the boys march on Kiev and make the death toll 10x higher than it would otherwise have been.
      RR

    • Kat Kan on March 16, 2015  ·  at 9:07 am EST/EDT

      They often criticized OSCE for seeming to take sides, and don’t want to let them see the final positions orf their armaments, in case the Ukie side “somehow” gets to find out. However the Ukies seem to have similar fears, often not letting OSCE follow their convoys all the way.

      But OSCE seems to be more fair than they used to be, eg will say they can’t tell where fire is coming from, when in the past they would have blamed it on a NAF position. They strongly changed their tune after they got shot at at the airport a few weeks ago. As the OSCE mission is doubled to 1000, there will be more and more members from countries not directly involved (ie not Europe) so the number of open minded monitors is likely to increase.

      • Anonymous on March 16, 2015  ·  at 10:22 am EST/EDT

        Good point. Also, I think it’s possible that they did record the incident he’s recounting. I just can’t tell what day it was and so don’t know which SMM report to compare it to. In the reports of the past week to ten days, there are several records of incoming fire while in DPR territory, or, as you point out, they say they don’t know.

        It does seem that the most recent reports are repeating the “don’t know” line. There could be valid reasons for this, the most obvious being that they aren’t sure at any given time who holds a particular territory. The reports from one day to the next seem to suggest that NAF are gaining.

        I think there’s another possibility to consider. It’s a safe bet that they’ve been getting complaints from the Ukrainian side and thus from the U.S. that they’ve been reporting too many government violations and that to support the Kiev/U.S. media spin, they need to make it look more like UAF was just “responding” to enemy fire. The higher-ups no doubt would be happy to oblige, but how likely is it that the guys on the ground would be willing to lie for Porko when they just got shot at? Yet, if they don’t, they could lose their jobs. Solution: “SMM could not determine the location of the weapon or whether it was incoming or outgoing fire.”

        In the meantime, they’re building a solid record of all the instances they were denied entry at government checkpoints, threatened at gunpoint, and told to turn back when trying to track and verify UAF weapons. Eventually, it’s going to be too embarrassing for the MSM to ignore it.

        • Kat Kan on March 16, 2015  ·  at 11:37 am EST/EDT

          Originally they called for Ukrainian speakers; I imagine they now have Russian speakers as well. They got people from Canada, and we know how pro-Kiev even non-Ukrainian Canada is now. OSCE mission spokesman Michael Bociurkiw’s father emigrated from Galicia after the War, and became a professor of Soviet and Ukrainian history.

          The sooner they get a bigger variety of monitors the better.

          They are now collecting all instances of being blocked or turned around.

          • PQ on March 17, 2015  ·  at 5:55 am EST/EDT

            Here is the national makeup of the monitor teams, plus info about the administrative staff. I haven’t had time to check out any of the people at the top for where their sympathies lie, but the Feb. 24 statement referred to in the doc below says that as of that date, neither side had provided the information requested of them.

            http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/144486?download=true

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