The original version of this post was published on the Oceania Saker Blog who spearheaded the effort to translate this most important document proving, if needed, that one can be down under and yet at the very top at the same time!
The Saker
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Malaysian Flight MH17 crash analysis, by The Russian Union of Engineers
This is an excellent detailed analysis of the MH17 tragedy by the Russian Union of Engineers which quite frankly illustrates how heavily censored the Dutch “report” is.
We will let you digest this report and come to your own conclusion, which in all likelihood will explain the infamous high velocity projectiles whitewash pumped out by the western “press”.
This review was undertaken by experts who not only know the subject matter but have objectively presented evidence that must be considered with the legitimacy that is inherent to it. Here is the overall description of the “Analytical Group” from the report:
A group of experts from the Russian Union of engineers was convened to analyze the situation, including reserve officers with experience in the use of anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as pilots having experience with aircraft weapons.This problem was also discussed at a meeting of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, where many variants were tested and discussed again. In the course of their analysis the experts used materials derived from public sources, found in the media. The situation was also analyzed using a computer simulation of the Su-25.
You can download the English version of the report here.
The original Russian version of the report is here.
[note: the links above point to documents in the proprietary M$ DOCX format. For those who, like myself might prefer the free ODT or PDF format, I have made them available here. The Saker]
Official statement by the Russian Union of Engineers:
(please press on the ‘cc’ button to see the English subtitles)
Special mention, thanks and much gratitude goes to Alice, Gideon & Katya for their wonderful effort at such short notice.
Disclaimer:
We have translated the text to the best of our abilities and where unsure have included the original Russian. Additionally, the original Russian report is available for download for your reference. Please distribute freely with acknowledgement.
AE
@ *Cinderella* 19 SEPTEMBER, 2014 03:01
1) Military pilots don’t normally aim at airliners; compare the dimensions of B777 vs. jet fighter [just use your upper extremity for thinking, provided you can].
2) Gryazev-Shipunov GSh-301 [aircraft cannon/wiki]
barrel life is quite short: 2,000 rounds. When firing a continuous burst of 100–150 rounds, the barrel is put under so much stress that it has to be replaced
gun’s maximum effective range against aerial targets is 200 to 800 m
In combination with a laser rangefinding/targeting system, it is reported to be extremely accurate as well as powerful, capable of destroying a target with as few as three to five rounds. [Jet fighter volume just fraction of 777, plus very high
compactness/*density*]
***
burst ratio selection: from the order of the unities and up;
normally (automatically limited) preselected in the order of the tens per second
ammo is heavy: in the order of the hundredth rounds available only. [also: cannon = just failover, when **1st choice** AAMs can’t be used on occasions]
Addendum x Cinderella:
A false flag was planned yet they go and deliver a 777 which shows round perforations Swiss cheese style along the entire carcass because of the burst!, yes?
Imagine, if you can, what happens if a burst of, say, 50 rounds hits the 777 shifting **FAST** relatively to your position.
@ 19 SEPTEMBER, 2014 03:01
Hi captain Hollywood, you may read stuff of this kind to begin with: http://defensetech.org/2007/04/12/is-the-dogfight-dead/
Anyway, I am curious: so you understood that some jet fighter
REPEATEDLY, slow (in relative terms) mosquito vs. fast moving elephant like, flew around the 777 shooting with a cannon one round at time: pam… turn… pam… turn… pam… style?
Or do you seriously pretend that a burst of TENS of rounds were shot within short range (a couple of hundredth of meters) into the 250 m/s moving 777?
SHARP ANGLES shooting BTW?! Already seen a 777 from near? (Compare with the cockpit dimensions of a jet fighter.) That
would *work*, eh?
” Do not contact ‘shady’ Wifka in germany when you have information about the crash. Contact the police.”
A request from the Dutch prosecutors:
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/oproep-meld-tips-mh17-niet-aan-duits-bureau
Pg. 2
During this period, in that air space, three civilian aircraft were operating regular flights:
• from Copenhagen to Singapore
• from Paris to Taipei
• from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
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Where is Air India [from Delhi to Birmingham]?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Air-India-flight-was-90-seconds-away-when-missile-struck- Malaysia-Airlines-Flight-MH17/articleshow/38702536.cms
Air India flight was 90 seconds away when missile struck Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17
Jul 20, 2014
MUMBAI: The ministry of civil aviation’s claim that there was no Air India flight near the ill fated Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 when it was shot down over Ukraine on Thursday appears misleading.
An Air India Dreamliner flight going from Delhi to Birmingham was in fact less than 25km away from the Malaysian aircraft, a distance covered by a Dreamliner or Boeing 777 in about 90 seconds, when the latter was hit. Because of this closeness, the Dnipropetrovsk (local Ukrainian) air traffic controller asked the AI pilots to try and establish contact with pilots of the Malaysian aircraft who had stopped responding to its calls.
Minutes before the crash caused by a missile strike, the AI pilots had also heard the controller give the Malaysian aircraft MH17 what is called “a direct routing”. This permits an aircraft to fly straight, instead of tracking the regular route which is generally a zig-zag track that goes from one ground-based navigation aid or way point to another. “Direct routing saves fuel and time and is preferred by pilots. In this case, it proved fatal,” said an airline source […]
Etc.
See also, e.g.
An Air India flight was near MH17: technology nails Indian
ministry’s lie
http://www.in.com/news/current-affairs/an-air-india-flight-was-near-mh17-technology-nails-indian- ministrys-lie-52877140-in-1.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Singapore-govt-stand-suggests-AI-aircraft-was-flying-close- to-MH17/articleshow/39659173.cms
or even
http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2014/07/radar-data-exposes-jet-airways-lies-on-ukraine-over-flights-mh17.html
American Expat, I remember reading an interesting observation made by the French Jew, Bernard Lazare, in 1894, regarding ‘anti-semitism’.
‘If this hostility, even aversion, had only been shown towards the Jews at one period and in one country, it would be easy to unravel the limited causes of this anger, but this race has been on the contrary an object of hatred to all the peoples among whom it has established itself. It must be therefore, since the enemies of the Jews belonged to the most diverse races, since they lived in countries very distant from each other, since they were ruled by very different laws, governed by opposite principles, since they neither had the same morals, nor the same customs, since they were animated by unlike dispositions which did not permit them to judge of anything in the same way, it must be therefore that the general cause of antisemitism has always resided in Israel itself and not in those who have fought against Israel’.
In contrast to this simple commonsense we have the standard ‘anti-Semitic’ discourse shoved down our throat today, that the Jews are uniquely always the victims, never the victimisers. That they never bring hatred on themselves by their actions but are always and everywhere innocent, pure and wonderful, every single one of them, and all criticism of any Jew is everywhere and always motivated by nothing but mindless hate, and, of course, jealousy.
In fact Jews are like everybody else. Some are evil shits, some saints and most somewhere in between. However the machinations of the powerful Jewish elites, the Elders of Israel, the Israeli political and military elites and the Jewish oligarchs who transparently control Western politics and business are, I would argue, utterly evil and destructive. That they would seek to inveigle themselves into the BRICS, while at the same time working feverishly to destroy them (Brazil will be the first to fall if the globalists’ Trojan Horse the mad Pentecostalist Silva gets elected-any bets that she’ll turn out to be a Christian Zionist?)to maintain the global dominance of a West that they control, is quite funny, really. That old Jewish sense of humour, I suppose. I prefer the Marx Brothers myself.
Julian, the ‘Julie’ I suppose is the odious Foreign Minister of Australia, Julia Bishop. For those unaware of this example of the relatively rare type, the female psychopath, a member of the entirely psychopathic Australian Cabinet, one fact will illuminate her character, I believe.
While a highly paid and rich outfitted and coiffed fashionista lawyer in West Australia some years back, she hit on a clever stratagem for companies fighting compensation claims from the victims of asbestos exposure. By deliberate delaying tactics, abetted by the courts, of course, the cases could be drawn out until the victims died, and the case lapsed. Not so hard, seeing as death from mesothelioma in particular, is rapid, and hideously painful. You can see why the victims’ families and others concerned regard her with not a little, well-merited I would say, loathing. She is a perfect example, in my opinion, of the evil global over-class.
Re: American Expat (to Israel?)
He appears with the same sugar wrapped BS on the http://theriseofrussia.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/worried-for-its-lose-of-hegemony-west.html#comment-form
Hasbaratchik troll.
While having peace talks Ukiès shelled military plant
Who can believe them?
Can anybody explain how the SU-24 used it’s cannons to hit ML-17 with such a tight shot group of bullet hits if it didn’t get any closer than 3-to 5 KM (this is according to the Russians at the news brief they gave awhile back).
The Russian report here says the cannons effective range is 800 meters max vs air targets which would mean the SU-24 was always out of cannon range of ML-17.
Mulga Mumblebrain, Jews have never once experienced anti-Semitism in India or China for over 2000 years. I hope Russia and the Anglo-American West become friends, but this will not happen in the near future. The best strategy for Russia is to split off the UK and USA from the EU, and form a Franco-Germanic-Russo bloc. This suggestion has been echoed by Alexander Dugin many times. France, Germany, and Russia are continental powers, and they all have a history of anti-Atlanticism, they also had less overseas colonies than the British. As Dugin said, the Anglo-American Empire is a mercantile, sea power dependent on international trade, it is incompatible with the future Eurasian Union.
Israel doesn’t have to go this route, I strongly believe Israel belongs with the China/Russia/India/Brazil bloc because of cultural, geographical, economic, and political reasons, and because Jews can switch sides, just like every other country does, when it is expedient to do so. Small nations like Israel cannot survive alone without an alliance with bigger, more powerful friend. The USA serves the purpose today, but China, India, and Russia can be the future partner. Israel already has good relations with India. I know this sounds farfetched today, but look into the next few decades. Anyways, I’m not saying this because I’m Jewish (I’m not), I am just evaluating the geopolitical situation. Remember, Alexander Dugin (the famous Russian nationalist) said that Israel can join the Eurasian Union if she leaves the United States-NATO bloc.
Professor Norman Cohn states correctly that anti-Semitism is almost exclusively a Western phenomenon; he writes: “For some 2000 years Jewish settlements existed in India and China without attracting any particular attention; to this day the Jewish artisans and peasants of India are regarded simply as one of the innumerable religious communities of the sub-continent, with nothing in the least odd about them.” The only explanation Professor Cohn can find is that the people of the West have been afflicted down the centuries with a form of insanity he calls “a paranoiac schizophrenia”, from which other peoples are, presumably, immune.
@ 21 SEPTEMBER, 2014 06:39
Such a “tight shot group of bullet hits” (assuming that a cannon has been used really) wouldn’t have been possible to produce UNLESS the 777 was flying at a much reduced speed than the original 900 km/h even within the max effective range of the cannon.
The preliminary report seems to exclude such a possibility: CVR + FDR were normals till the (virtually instantaneous) end of the recording of the data occurred.
I find grotesque that no metallurgist has been consulted to express an opinion on the topic; to become an airplane pilot doesn’t demand any particular (academic, scientific) curricula, qualification.
Pilots’ personal, more or less *scientific* opinions are in general to be taken as, say, nurses’ equivalent *scientific* opinions in the medical professions, not much more than that.
And metallurgists BTW, don’t forget the forensic analysis by the pathologists.
https://secure.flickr.com/photos/128147213@N02/15358469675/lightbox/
Co-pilot seat (co-pilots sit on the right FYI)
co-pilot seat, body removed backrest, side damaged by SHRAPNEL
same seat, co-pilot still attached showing SHRAPNEL WOUNDS