So this morning we have a “revelation”: EU officials are discussing the reports that the Maidan snipers were not sent by Yanukovich but that they were insurgents firing on both sides.
Immense surprise everywhere!
Well, a few “minor fringe proponents of conspiracy theories” did mention something like that, but for the “proper and rational people” (the folks who watch TV and read the corporate media) this is a big surprise.
Might make you wonder who really did know about this.
I can tell you. I have seen it happening many years ago, in the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. Here is how this works:
How does intelligence work?
One good model of how intelligence works are the “three As”: Acquisition, Analysis and Acceptance. Let’s look at them one by one:
Acquisition: this is the collection or raw data which includes translations of the world and, importantly, local press, and all other types of “open sources” such as blogs, magazines, press conferences and releases, official news bulletins etc. The next level are the proprietary but not formally classified sources. Think tank reports, banking documents, commercial documents, corporate memoranda, etc. Then comes the level in which sources, methods and means must be protected and concealed from public view: informal conversations with officials, radio intercepts, conversations with bankers, with transportation officials (trucks, trains, airlines, shipping), reports from political and military attaches and exchanges with other intelligence services. Actual “spying” or HUMINT also contributes to this level. All these multi-level sources provide simultaneous raw data which is then analyzed on the next level:
Analysis: first, the data is usually classified by some source of system which gives a rating on a) the source itself (reliable? trustworthy?) and then b) on the information received (corroborated? credible?). The information is then passed on to the next level analyst who will process it and make a synthesis of his/her main finding for his/her department head (by regions or specialization). These guys then go over the findings and typically present them in an inter-departmental meeting which then is submitted to the next level.
Acceptance: this is a crucial level because the folks getting the processed information from the analytical section are already not intelligence specialists, but generals (this is a political rank, really), politicians, government officials, etc. They make the key judgment call as to what to do with the info they get. They also get to express their satisfaction, or lack thereof, with the intelligence they get and that, in turn, has a direct career impact upon the senior department heads in charge of analysis. In plain English this means that the top analysts take a big risk if they pass on “politically incorrect” or, rather, “politically unwanted” information up the chain of command. They, in turn, will whether consciously or unconsciously promote those analysts who do not put them in this difficult situation.
This system works pretty well when dealing with low-visibility or politically neutral or minor issues. But when a government places its full weight behind “theory A” this system often breaks down and begins sending up the chain of command information which will not result in career loss. “Theory B” rapidly disappears.
The example of Bosnia:
I can personally attest to the fact that the vast majority of sources did report that the so-called “UN Safe Areas” in Bosnia, which were supposed to be entirely demilitarized, were chock full of Bosnian-Muslim forces and that most of them actually hosted a full Army Corps. Likewise, everybody knew that the US and Turkey were flying in weapons and dropping them in huge amounts in the Bosnian-Muslim controlled areas. Furthermore, most analysts were also aware the bombings of the Markale Market were not committed by Serb, but by unknown individuals shooting from Bosnian-Muslim areas. In my experience this information was, however, usually simply ignored at the level of department heads. It was not denied, mind you, and in private conversations all the department heads knew about it, but that is where it stopped. The pretext? Always the same one: “it’s a rumor and a detail, not really relevant for the overall picture”. Nevermind that it came in from all sources, including high rated ones, and nevermind that this info was corroborated many times over. And nevermind that it paints a totally different picture of a false flag operation which resulted in the US and NATO getting militarily involved.
Then, those who organized the false flag operation in the first place will use their contacts in the corporate media to leak the info. At this point the big and “reputable” media outlets will quote each other and literally bounce that story off each other, sometimes add a few “details” (aka complete fabrications) or pure speculations (really spins) to the story. At which point all the politicians are presented with a mass media which literally screams “the world is flat! the world is flat!” and a few highly classified reports which, at best, report that “some sources claim the world is round”. Guess with whom the politicians will go?
Back to the Maidan snipers intercept
Now listen carefully to Ashton’s reaction to news about the insurgent snipers:
“I think that they do want to investigate, gosh!”
What?! Is she seriously suggesting that the new regime, which came to power courtesy of these snipers, will actually investigate itself? Is she that dumb? Of course not! But she is annoyed by this topic so she just tosses in a simple cop-out which basically means “I am not interested, let the Ukies handle it” (knowing full well that they won’t).
Paet, by the way, immediately got the message and gives a new spin to his previous remark: he mentioned this info not because he is outraged, no, only because if this story takes on its own life this “will discredit the new coalition“. Oh how nice of him, he worries that if the truth comes out the Eurofascists will be embarrassed. Next time, he won’t even bring it up. Those central European politicians sure learn fast from their western masters.
But Ashton is not even happy with that, she wants to change the topic, and begins making general pious statements about how it is important that the Rada work well.
End of topic, turn the page, next!
This is how it’s done. I know. I lost my career over something like that.
As for the media, it is even worse.
There are two types of reporters in a conflict zone:
Type A: never leaves his fortified bunker/hotel and only attends the briefing of whichever side he is with. Then he sends reports back home claiming that these reports come “from the battle zone”. He could get the same reports by videoconference sitting at home, but nevermind.
Type B: that is the true frontline reporter. He does run around under bullets, he interviews local commanders, often on both sides, he spends nights drinking cheap booze with local mafia men or mercenaries and he is often very, very well informed. In fact, his reports are often used by intelligence services (whether by agreement or by other methods).
Type A just parrots whatever he hears. The problem with type B is that while he is typically very well informed, he also is typically highly partisan to one side or the other. If he “turns local” and begins to have sympathies with the ‘bad guys’ he soon has to find new employers, usually smaller magazines and newspapers, or his career ends. But if he is on the side of the “good guys” (Empire puppets) then he often sees his role as a participant in the war. He hates the other side and will use his audience to trash it as much as can be. Bottom line: even if some reporters are very well informed, the system is such that their reports usually get buried in the small or local media.
There is one exception to this rule: specialized magazines. During the war in Bosnia you could get far better information from magazines like the US Army’s Parameters, the USN Proceedings or the Reports of the US Military Studies Office or the Occasional Papers of the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, than from the Washington Post or the Wall Street Journal. This applies to non-English speaking countries too: France, Belgium, Russia, Brazil – they all have their specialized magazines which often are far better informed that the big press.
What does this all mean for you?
What this all means is that the information you are getting from your politicians or the corporate media is at best useless, and typically deliberate fabrications. There is only one thing you can do about it: throw away your TV, throw away your radio, don’t ever read the papers and basically cut off your brain form the sewage flow. The next step is to get your info only on the Internet, preferably from “non-major” sources including: local media websites (by local I mean “local to the conflict area”), blogs, discussion groups, specialized and professional websites.
True, there is a lot of garbage on the Internet, so you need to do the same thing as analysts do: begin by rating your sources and then rely mostly on those you trust. Likewise, you can also begin by rating the information itself. Language can be a problem, but then built for yourself a list of sources which you trust and which know the local language.
And did you know that it is estimated that 80% of all the information used by a government is “open source” – available to the general public. As for the 20% of it, it is mostly boring technical stuff which will become public after a while but which is critical now. Not stuff you are ever going to need.
This is not as hard as it seems and most of us doing something similar instinctively. With a little time and effort cutting yourself totally away from the corporate media and switching to an Internet based selection of sources you trust will give you a totally different view of the world. If you are then later exposed to the corporate media you will be amazed by the nonsense you hear and you will wonder what the hell they are talking about on the Idiot Tube. It’s quite fun, really. Or very discouraging. Or both.
The exception:
There is one exception to this rule: the new big media which has appeared in recent years to present an anti-CNN option for the world. First, al-Jazeera, then Russia Today, Telemundo, Press TV, etc. They have vested interest in debunking the Imperial lies and in presenting the true facts. However, the example of al-Jazeera which almost suddenly became a propaganda tool during the war on Libya should make us cautious and careful and always keep an eye on whether any of these Internet TV are becoming yet another propaganda tool.
Conclusion:
This sniper business is going nowhere. Everybody knows about it, and nobody cares. Just like everybody knows that the Right Sector and Svoboda are neo-Nazi parties, just like everybody knows that the new regime is illegal, illegitimate and that it came to power by deceit and by violence. Everybody knows and nobody cares as long as “our SOBs win”. So use this opportunity to “retaliate” against the plutocracy which controls the entire informational space except the Internet and reject their sources. All of them.
Kind regards and many thanks,
The Saker
:)
You quoted: “I think that they do want to investigate, gosh!”
rt.com said:
“I think we do want to investigate. I mean, I didn’t pick that up, that’s interesting. Gosh,” Ashton answered.
Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders – leaked EU’s Ashton phone tape
http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/
Is there a third version? ;-)
Anyway thanks for your explanations.
I would add only that finding reliable sources takes time (sometimes few month at least) listening, reading and checking them all against themselves.
The shorter way is to start with a few sources and go to the addresses provided by their websites.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/
http://www.atimes.com/
And it is absolutely a MUST to read the comments from some of the sites!
Hello Saker,
Great work man!!! meanwhile this could easily be called “collateral damages”
News from Mexico says that two russian have been caught in Mexico…
http://www.proceso.com.mx/?p=366386
ussian mafia operating in the eastern United States and fled to this side of the Mexican border, were arrested in a safe house in Playas de Rosarito , Baja California.
According to a report from the NYPD , the Eurasian criminal organizations engaged in money laundering, arms and drug trafficking in Europe , Asia and the Middle East, ” and spread to the American Union.”
The arrested foreigners were engaged in trafficking of methamphetamine and theft of vehicles , according to an investigation by the federal police in New York, detected in the resort and Las Olas Sol with this border town Tijuana.
The first information on the Russians issued notes belonging to a Eurasian international network for the movement of drugs in the United States, but realizing that had turned an arrest warrant against him for refuge across the border in Mexico .
With the data of criminals we conducted an analysis of intelligence about his possible escape route to detect in this city on the coast of the entity area , stated the director of the International Liaison Unit of the State Preventive Police, Alfredo Arenas Moreno .
Marshall ‘s office in New York , said , issued a warning to the Mexican police records and photographs Shogenov Tlostanbi Russian and Armenian Azat Oganessian (owner of a restaurant in Brooklyn ) of 27 and 41 years, respectively.
The Russians arrested , he added , were made available to the National Migration Institute on this border for transfer to the City of Mexico and subsequent deportation.
So the attack on Russia looks to be ready on all fronts!!
Many regards my friend
As the Mossad motto: “By deception shalt thou do war”.
As I have written at my place in : “Pokes, Prods, Feints, and Shit Tests”.
They provide both the pretext and the reaction to the pretext, pretending to be both “enemy” and “good guy/forces of democracy”.
This is during the initial stages of course.
Nothing new here. Capitalism and Bolshevism are the two sides of the same Jewish coin.
Estonian Foreign Ministry confirms authenticity of leaked call on Kiev snipers
http://rt.com/news/estonia-confirm-leaked-tape-970/
Thank you very much for this great article.
You’ll find a lot of very good images on this site:
http://zyalt.livejournal.com/
It took some time for the US delegation to take seats. Kerry noted that there were many people to his left and just a few to his right. Larvov replied by saying “The right sector” — obviously an allusion to Ukraine’s far-right Right Sector group.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/722305
LOL
US destroyer expected to enter Black Sea later this week
World March 05, 18:20 UTC+4
SEVASTOPOL, March 5. /ITAR-TASS/. US destroyer is expected to enter Black Sea later this week — Russian Black Sea fleet staff.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/722268
Germany, the United States and Switzerland are sending military observers to Ukraine at the request of the new government in Kiev, a source at the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) told Itar-Tass
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/722275
I was thinking as you that nothing would surface in MSM, but what about this?
http://www.vm.ee/?q=node/19352
looks like that the estonian FM confirmed the autenticity of the record. don’t you think it’s gonna be much harder to ignore?
great blog!
i was thinking as you that nothing would surface in MSM.
but what about his:
http://www.vm.ee/?q=node/19352
looks like that the estonian FM confirm the authenticity of the record, don’t you think it’s gonna be much harder to ignore?
Turkey grants US warship permission to enter Black Sea
http://rt.com/news/us-warship-black-sea-966/
Very good article!
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Re: Snipers
The doctor, who is supposed to have talked with Paet, is apparently denying, that she said such things:
” 15.17 Our correspondent, Damien McElroy, has spoken to the doctor at the centre of the claims that snipers that shot people in Kiev were hired by Maidan leaders:
Olga Bogomolets said she had not told Mr Paet that policemen and protesters had been killed in the same manner.
“Myself I saw only protesters. I do not know the type of wounds suffered by military people,” she told The Telegraph. “I have no access to those people.”
But she said she had asked for a full forensic criminal investigation into the deaths that occurred in the Maidan. “No one who just sees the wounds when treating the victims can make a determination about the type of weapons. I hope international experts and Ukrainian investigators will make a determination of what type of weapons, who was involved in the killings and how it was done. I have no data to prove anything.
“I was a doctor helping to save people on the square. There were 15 people killed on the first day by snipers. They were shot directly to the heart, brain and arteries. There were more than 40 the next day, 12 of them died in my arms.
“Our nation has to ask the question who were the killers, who asked them to come to Ukraine. We need good answers on the basis of expertise.”
Mr Paet’s assertion that an opposition figure was behind the Maidan massacre was not one she could share.
“I think you can only say something like this on the basis of fact,” she said. “Its not correct and its not good to do this. It should be based on fact.”
She said the new government in Kiev had assured her a criminal investigation had begun but that she had not direct contact with it so far.
“They told me they have begun a criminal process and if they say that I believe them. The police have not given me any information on it.” “
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10677370/Ukraine-Russia-crisis-live.html
What do you think of it?
This sniper business is going nowhere. Everybody knows about it, and nobody cares. Just like everybody knows that the Right Sector and Svoboda are neo-Nazi parties, just like everybody knows that the new regime is illegal, illegitimate and that it came to power by deceit and by violence. Everybody knows…
So, how is it that the Jews, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Vitali Klitschko, etc, have teamed up with the Ukrainian Neonazis to conduct a coup in the Ukraine.
How come everybody knows about this but nobody cares.
Are these Ukrainian Neonazis actually a “false flag” group (of Jews?).
They say that Hitler was the same. In this case, that he was actually a Jew.
The “evidence” they provide is quite interesting;
1) Hitler ordered the tanks to stop for 3 days near Dunkirk when only a short distance away. This allowed the entire British army and part of the French army to escape to Britain.
2) Hitler refused to take Gibraltar and turn the Mediterranean into a “German lake”. There was nothing to stop the Germans from driving through Spain (their ally) and doing the job.
3) Hitler declared war on the United States.
4) Hitler refused to allow the tens of thousands of tons of weaponized nerve gas that the Germans had produced (at Dyhernfurth an der Oder) to be used.
5) Hitler refused to conquer Britain. After Dunkirk, Britain was totally defenseless.
Are we witnessing an attempted re-run of WW2?
Another example of what is known and ignored might be the presence of Israeli soldiers helping the rioters in Kiev.
Also the way in which mysterious snipers inflamed passions by shooting at both sides in the various countries which were visited by an Arab Spring. Those countries are now falling apart and falling into the balkanised place designated for them by the well known Israeli-American plan to break up the Arab world into small squabbling statelets powerless to resist Israel.
It looks as if the sort of people Jews condemn everywhere else are in Ukraine being helped into prominence, perhaps to take the blame when it all goes wrong. Clearly they won’t be among those who get Ukrainian assets cheaply, or can tick a box after another country has been broken apart.
Re: Snipers again
This here is a very interesting analysis of the sniper shootings.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567
Alternative Link:
http://rutube.ru/video/93802748ac84d98b69294da71162d03f/
“Olga Bogomolets said she had not told Mr Paet that policemen and protesters had been killed in the same manner.
“Myself I saw only protesters. I do not know the type of wounds suffered by military people,” she told The Telegraph. “I have no access to those people.”
But in an interview on the 20th of Feb. she said she did treat military and Berkut.
Olga Bogomolets Kiev Ukraine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5eiZERkECI
No doubt she was instructed to make these denials now, or realised herself that it would be the wise career move.
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This follows a pattern that has been going on since at least WW2. Get paid agitators and some normal people. Start protesting. Paid agitators start more trouble. Snipers kill innocents, people go wild, news media attacks govt., protestors and agitators including paid mercenaries storm the govt. Govt falls. The same pattern over and over again. The USA and EU in this case with their outside masters and paid stooges.
The poor Ukrainian people will be debt slaves to the IMF and oligarchs now.
It seems to me that this ‘internet’ thing has been posing an ever increasing threat to the beast. I expect crackdowns in the near future ‘for our own good’.
T1
Anonydroid at 13:03 PM said: So, how is it that the Jews, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, Vitali Klitschko, etc, have teamed up with the Ukrainian Neonazis to conduct a coup in the Ukraine.
Hunsdon said: All right, we’ve seen it before. Do you have anything novel to say? Do you have anything substantive to add? Most of the comments here seem to advance the conversation, either through contributing new insights, or seeking an explanation for something not understood.
Your comments—your repeated, nearly identical comments—-aren’t helping to drive the discussion. They seem like a distraction, at best.
snipers acting on behalf of Zio-NATO?
Jew Bernard Henri Levy dared to give a speech and interview on Maidan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws4p3pU1_dg&ntz=1
BHL is very controversial person, he can be considered as one of the main war instigators of the Zio-NATO wars against Libya, Syria and whenever possible Iran. He could easily be called “The McCain of France” and has consequently not only friends in this world!
If the powers that pulled the strings at Maidan could guarantee his safety in Kiev, then they controlled the entire event at 99%. Obviously any active snipers in the event must have been acting on behalf and in agreement with Yulia Timoshenko, Victoria Nuland, Arsenii Yatseniuk, John “Kohn” Kerry, Francois Hollande and all the other actors from the tribe..
Caveman
Our initial investigation into the snipergate provocateur snipers is here…
http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Ukraine_2014
…and on the talk page.
This fits a pattern of previous provocateur sniper precedents.
For those who understand Russian: Here is apparently one of those mysterious crimean self-defence forces talking:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZe9bLq50Js
Good summary. Having been a bit in the business myself, you are bang on. All you’re missing is the pressure of the collective at the first level, not just the political level.
Once upon a time we read the papers, watched TV and thought we had a pretty good handle on what was going on.
But, can’t do that any more, too many lies (and lies then too — how many? interesting question). But it’s much harder now — can’t be passive, have to be active as the Saker says.
@ Hunsdon. No one is discussing why Jews have teamed up with Nazis to conduct this coup in the Ukraine. No one is discussing how Jews got to be so intimate with Nazis.
One reason (the only one) stated for why Jews have teamed up with Nazis is that they do not fear them and will eliminate them at some later date.
This would mean that this Ukraine coup, is a coup conducted by Jews, and NOT a neoNazi coup at all.
But the press always states that it was a neoNazi coup.
So why are the Jews not worried about these neoNazi’s?
Is it because they are a “false flag” group of Jews?
This of course leads to questions about Hitler and WW2, because some have long suspected that Hitler was a Jew with a “false flag”.
I was rudely awakened to this reality last year after watching an amateur video that briefly included a frame of a Cruise missile a moment away from slamming into Aleppo University. The missile was skimming the ground at no more than fifty meters, approximately equal to the distance this video was taken. Although hardly more than a silhouette,you could still detect a wisp of circular condensation exiting the turbofan
Notice the photographer pan towards what sounds like an approaching jet. Also notice the sudden silence immediately afterwards in this redaction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-yEt2pvcrs You will not find any mention of this possibility. I’m sure a different story if cruise missiles were known to be in Syria’s arsenal.
@Snipers,
Actually the sniper scenario was first applied in Romania in the coup that toppled Ceausescu. They were called “terrorists” and nobody was ever able to identify them (the revolutionary were chanting: “Cine a tras in noi dupa 22?” = Who shot us after 22(December), the day of the biggest demonstrations in Bucharest. Demonstrations called by Ceausescu to show the mass support, when “terrorists” started to shoot and create chaos.
WizOz
This is one way how intelligence services work:
Russia Today anchor Abby Martin speaks out against Russian invasion of Crimea 3/3/2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZolXrjGIBJs
Liz Wahl of RT America Quits on Air http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p2KK0g7kKE
They get their own operatives installed in target countries to skew their news reporting, plant stories and sow disruption.
The CIA has a long history of news media infiltration, and those 2 grrrrls are Americans. The main vector for this, though, is Jewish sayanim, whose loyalty is to Israel, but whom often do double duty with allied or subordinate security establishments. Jewish zionists made sure to dominate the media in the west, at all levels of these orgs since media control is probably the second most influential factor in the control of a country (after the finances). I don’t know if those 2 grrrrls are Jewish, but it wouldn’t surprise me. What is quite obvious, though, is that they are working assets of western interests. Their outbursts were as carefully orchestrated as those snipers in Kiev were.
RT has had quite a few problems with zionist Jews and similar agents covertly working for western fascist interests, interjecting their zionist/western fascist propaganda into their reports. I hope what these 2 grrrrls did serves as a wake-up call to RT and they take a serious look at those they employ now and do some long overdue housecleaning.
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Nikolay Starikov has written an essay titled:Death at The Meeting, or How to Fight The “Unidentified Snipers”
http://nstarikov.ru/en/blog/501
What’s eerie about this is that it was posted on October 14, 2013, well before things got deadly in Kiev.
He also quotes a book in Russian titled:
The Art of a Sniper, written by Aleksey Andreevich Potapov and published in 2009.
I don’t read or speak Russian, but he’s included a link to a site that may be the entire book for free online.
http://shooting-ua.com/force_shooting/practice_book_58.6.htm#7-23
As for this quote from your article, “…most analysts were also aware the bombings of the Markale Market were not committed by Serb, but by unknown individuals shooting from Bosnian-Muslim areas.” I lived in Canada when the destruction of Yugoslavia was underway. The Markale Market bombing was done by the Muslims, according to my Serb friends. Later, as I remember it, a Canadian General that was involved with the KFOR or some other U.N. organization wrote a book about his experience in Bosnia. While I can’t remember his name, and never saw his book, I trusted my Serb friends that he confirmed what they were saying.
Just think of what the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Lyman Lemnitzer, proposed to Kennedy, which was Operation Northwoods. The plan to villify Castro and Cuba by fake plane hijackings and killing Americans inside the country. Psychopaths are capable of anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Also, the study, Death by Government, shows how many governments mass murder their own people, so we all have to be continuously vigilant.
@ 05 MARCH, 2014 14:17
Check out Greg Hallett’s book “Hitler Was A British Agent” 2nd edition 2006.
Hallett wrote the book “Hitler Was A British Agent” in order to “frame the discussion”.
He wanted to prevent people thinking that Hitler might have been a Jewish Agent.
The Big Lie of the Maidan “Revolution”: The Organizers of the Coup d’état Hired the Snipers
And Lady Ashton Knows it.
By Umberto Pascali Global Research, March 05, 2014
Catherine Ashton must resign now!
Why is EU foreign minister Catherine Ashton protecting and covering up for the Maidan Square snipers who killed both demonstrators and police?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-big-lie-of-the-maidan-revolution-the-organizers-of-the-coup-detat-hired-the-snipers/5372048
Since this woman was SElected as the EU foreign policy chief, she has proved once and again her utter incompetence for the position she is holdig. But as nobody elected her, she is not accountable to the people. She’s a Blair protege, so would anything good come from him?. She ows her baroness title to him, it was him who asked the british queen to give it to her.
And, yes, she must resign now!.
She would have not been undemocratically selected, to start with.
Decent article on the snipers which covers many of the points discussed here, but also provides some more info, particularly on Olga, and her 180, and Maidan views regarding who the snipers worked for. It’s in Russian, but understandable enough with auto translating.
Майдангейт (Maydangeyt)
http://vz.ru/world/2014/3/5/675739.html
Randall, The Canadian General is Lewis MacKenzie, and his book is “Peacekeeper: The Road to Sarajevo”. His Wikipedia entry has attracted any number of scurrilous edits.
RT in Russian has the full transcript of the Paet/Ashton conversation, but it is in Russian:
Снайперы в Киеве были наняты лидерами Майдана – телефонный разговор Кэтрин Эштон и главы МИД Эстонии http://russian.rt.com/article/23679
Youtube has now made the video “age restricted”. This means somebody has to sign up to their NSA phishing site before they can watch the video. Doing this is a real hassle. Many people wont bother. The zionist Jews at youtube did this to dissuade people from watching the video due to the hassle of signing up an account. It’s one of their more subtle forms of censorship.
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Greetings from Siberia, by virtue of its Karrieretest language use Google translator, so do not judge strictly)
Sam was born in Ukraine, right now I live in Siberia. What is written in the article is true. The crisis in Ukraine there is a coup, with the complicity of NATO countries, particularly the United States and Germany, which was preparing for 10 years. I’ll tell you how it actually is. It all started with this supposedly peaceful rallies, with a small number of students who pay a little money for it, such as people started this revolution, especially for a cause, the overthrow of Aligarh. But not everything is so simple, they were first experienced fighters as instructors (NATO), they were organized,physically strong, armed men with combat training with БЕРКУТ. Everyone had their roles, some protected, carried out a second wounded. third throw stones, they were real soldiers started to fight for the coup. They led the crowd to start were the usual shouts, curses, requirements, with little or no violence.In the second phase, started the violence, so conceived, it is necessary also to justify his actions, began to throw stones golden eagle, since the protesters were armed as well as the “Berkut” shields and helmets, masks, batons. disperse them was difficult and hard. But the government has not issued an order to use weapons against the demonstrators, and was.Adventure (NATO) gave the team in complete chaos, demonstrators began to prepare Molotov cocktails, bombs, grenades, use air guns. They mutilated “Berkut” tortured (was vidio) where the employee gouged eyes, awl, and thrown into a ditch dead (is not fascism?) burned poor “Berkut” alive… burned poor “Berkut” alive(is not fascism?), here’s a video, then a note was not from the demonstrators in “BBERKUTA” military weapons ”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhmAF_PkLNM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7k0MjODEQY
And the government still does not give orders to take up arms and shoot these freaks. And for fighters (NATO) is bad, no victims, no possibility coup. And then the fun begins … pottyagivayutsya natsianalisty (Bendera, fascists) You ask why? Let’s start with the fact that they hate Russian as NATO, they love ubivati torture. Well, they have a special role, namely the massacres. That they shot their own maydanovtsev in the back, they also killed “Berkut” below vidio, it should explain everything, especially seen as a shot in the back and fall into a tree, people are starting to look nazat like so there own? The following quote 2 videos in one sniper shot, the second one of the leaders of the Nazi leader …
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5dc_1393953567
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mLTUyIj1M
Is that the way should have a conversation with the leader of the press … Do you think that going without a camera … It’s a conversation with the Ukrainian Ukrainian, and was in his place Russian Ukrainian it would certainly dead by media convey that there were 100 victims, in fact there are already thousands, but it will show you who I lived Zhytomyr region, and as a Russian man, probably would be dead …
After the Nazis looted military barracks, and took possession of military weapons and guns in the full amount of “Berkut” gave the green light for the use because they started to shoot …
Further, as we know Yanukovych fled the Nazis seized power (along with NATO) people like Klitschko almost a resident of Germany, supported by the United States, a faithful follower of Bandera Dmitry Jaros, Turchinova whose house more than Yanukovych. The first laws were anti-Russian, as well as resolvable Nazism .
Bandera and fascists, in a voice that shouted cut out all Russian living in the Ukraine. But since the government seized only in Kiev and Lviv. Crimea, Kharkiv, and many other cities have simply refused to accept the power of the Nazis. They have created a self-defense units, and did not let the Nazis. A Russian course prigrazilo war, when it is known that f want to cut Russian to population.
Although we did not attack the Ukraine, the Nazis restrain the ardor began to take economic laws, stopped shouting Nazi shouting, talking on cultural topics. But it’s all a mask, as things settle down, only to start the genocide Russian . Intercepted telephone conversation, Catherine Ashton. Where black and white shot is said that the new government in the maidan. Only an idiot would not understand. A fact that is mentioned in a conversation that these bitches go to the families of deputies, “Berkut” and arrange of terror, tortured, threatened that enough???
And that is the Olga, they mention that “Bogomolets”, Olga Vadymivna. Ukrainian doctor, social activist, she was offered the post of minister. She refused to be in the Nazi government. You ask why she refused, saying that the matter? Because her relatives and just kill . Shall not it obvious?
Now ask yourself, could be so simple to organize people to resist the police, intelligence services, without interference from outside? What do you think how much it costs comprise over 3 months eleven-million people? Clothe (Clothes, shields, masks, bits, clubs) feed every day hot meals, organize closets, with the export of shit? It’s millions of dollars.
Does Russia need a genocide of their own brothers, Ukraine? Perhaps this is we wanted to build a missile defense Ukraine’s borders, perhaps it we want to kill and osslablyat Slavonic people …
What you showed media, occupation of Crimea Russia . is shit … Here it okupatsiya . Bloodbath, children under 18 not to watch.
http://ekabu.ru/warfare/80963-rossiyskie-soldaty-v-krymu.html
People prayed to protect them from the Nazis, look at the faces of the people you see mb they fear, pain and humiliation? No, they came to protect the Russian people from the Nazis.And here OCCUPIERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU2qpxsgUo
In the portrait, Stepan Bandera, you can drive in Wikipedia, read who it is …
I have long followed the information war, I know that you shit your media show. But there are sites where they write pawdite, so you have the opportunity to observe the true picture. I offer apologies for more translation errors. Thank you.
After the Nazis looted military barracks, and took possession of military weapons and guns in the full amount of “Berkut” gave the green light for the use because they started to shoot …
Further, as we know Yanukovych fled the Nazis seized power (along with NATO) people like Klitschko almost a resident of Germany, supported by the United States, a faithful follower of Bandera Dmitry Jaros, Turchinova whose house more than Yanukovych. The first laws were anti-Russian, as well as resolvable Nazism .
Bandera and fascists, in a voice that shouted cut out all Russian living in the Ukraine. But since the government seized only in Kiev and Lviv. Crimea, Kharkiv, and many other cities have simply refused to accept the power of the Nazis. They have created a self-defense units, and did not let the Nazis. A Russian course prigrazilo war, when it is known that f want to cut Russian to population.
Although we did not attack the Ukraine, the Nazis restrain the ardor began to take economic laws, stopped shouting Nazi shouting, talking on cultural topics. But it’s all a mask, as things settle down, only to start the genocide Russian . Intercepted telephone conversation, Catherine Ashton. Where black and white shot is said that the new government in the maidan. Only an idiot would not understand. A fact that is mentioned in a conversation that these bitches go to the families of deputies, “Berkut” and arrange of terror, tortured, threatened that enough???
And that is the Olga, they mention that “Bogomolets”, Olga Vadymivna. Ukrainian doctor, social activist, she was offered the post of minister. She refused to be in the Nazi government. You ask why she refused, saying that the matter? Because her relatives and just kill . Shall not it obvious?
Now ask yourself, could be so simple to organize people to resist the police, intelligence services, without interference from outside? What do you think how much it costs comprise over 3 months eleven-million people? Clothe (Clothes, shields, masks, bits, clubs) feed every day hot meals, organize closets, with the export of shit? It’s millions of dollars.
Does Russia need a genocide of their own brothers, Ukraine? Perhaps this is we wanted to build a missile defense Ukraine’s borders, perhaps it we want to kill and osslablyat Slavonic people …
What you showed media, occupation of Crimea Russia . is shit … Here it okupatsiya . Bloodbath, children under 18 not to watch.
http://ekabu.ru/warfare/80963-rossiyskie-soldaty-v-krymu.html
People prayed to protect them from the Nazis, look at the faces of the people you see mb they fear, pain and humiliation? No, they came to protect the Russian people from the Nazis.And here OCCUPIERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU2qpxsgUo
In the portrait, Stepan Bandera, you can drive in Wikipedia, read who it is …
I have long followed the information war, I know that you shit your media show. But there are sites where they write pawdite, so you have the opportunity to observe the true picture. I offer apologies for more translation errors. Thank you.
After the Nazis looted military barracks, and took possession of military weapons and guns in the full amount of “Berkut” gave the green light for the use because they started to shoot …
Further, as we know Yanukovych fled the Nazis seized power (along with NATO) people like Klitschko almost a resident of Germany, supported by the United States, a faithful follower of Bandera Dmitry Jaros, Turchinova whose house more than Yanukovych. The first laws were anti-Russian, as well as resolvable Nazism .
Bandera and fascists, in a voice that shouted cut out all Russian living in the Ukraine. But since the government seized only in Kiev and Lviv. Crimea, Kharkiv, and many other cities have simply refused to accept the power of the Nazis. They have created a self-defense units, and did not let the Nazis. A Russian course prigrazilo war, when it is known that f want to cut Russian to population.
Although we did not attack the Ukraine, the Nazis restrain the ardor began to take economic laws, stopped shouting Nazi shouting, talking on cultural topics. But it’s all a mask, as things settle down, only to start the genocide Russian . Intercepted telephone conversation, Catherine Ashton. Where black and white shot is said that the new government in the maidan. Only an idiot would not understand. A fact that is mentioned in a conversation that these bitches go to the families of deputies, “Berkut” and arrange of terror, tortured, threatened that enough???
And that is the Olga, they mention that “Bogomolets”, Olga Vadymivna. Ukrainian doctor, social activist, she was offered the post of minister. She refused to be in the Nazi government. You ask why she refused, saying that the matter? Because her relatives and just kill . Shall not it obvious?
Now ask yourself, could be so simple to organize people to resist the police, intelligence services, without interference from outside? What do you think how much it costs comprise over 3 months eleven-million people? Clothe (Clothes, shields, masks, bits, clubs) feed every day hot meals, organize closets, with the export of shit? It’s millions of dollars.
Does Russia need a genocide of their own brothers, Ukraine? Perhaps this is we wanted to build a missile defense Ukraine’s borders, perhaps it we want to kill and osslablyat Slavonic people …
What you showed media, occupation of Crimea Russia . is shit … Here it okupatsiya . Bloodbath, children under 18 not to watch.
http://ekabu.ru/warfare/80963-rossiyskie-soldaty-v-krymu.html
People prayed to protect them from the Nazis, look at the faces of the people you see mb they fear, pain and humiliation? No, they came to protect the Russian people from the Nazis.And here OCCUPIERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU2qpxsgUo
In the portrait, Stepan Bandera, you can drive in Wikipedia, read who it is …
I have long followed the information war, I know that you shit your media show. But there are sites where they write pawdite, so you have the opportunity to observe the true picture. I offer apologies for more translation errors. Thank you.
“Olga” denied telling anything about killed by snipers, she told that she treated only the protesters. But I have seen her on CNN: after the question about ultra radicals in the midst of the protest she replied that she is not a politician, and that she treated wounded on both sides. So when was she not telling the truth?
After the Nazis looted military barracks, and took possession of military weapons and guns in the full amount of “Berkut” gave the green light for the use because they started to shoot …
Further, as we know Yanukovych fled the Nazis seized power (along with NATO) people like Klitschko almost a resident of Germany, supported by the United States, a faithful follower of Bandera Dmitry Jaros, Turchinova whose house more than Yanukovych. The first laws were anti-Russian, as well as resolvable Nazism .
Bandera and fascists, in a voice that shouted cut out all Russian living in the Ukraine. But since the government seized only in Kiev and Lviv. Crimea, Kharkiv, and many other cities have simply refused to accept the power of the Nazis. They have created a self-defense units, and did not let the Nazis. A Russian course prigrazilo war, when it is known that f want to cut Russian to population.
Although we did not attack the Ukraine, the Nazis restrain the ardor began to take economic laws, stopped shouting Nazi shouting, talking on cultural topics. But it’s all a mask, as things settle down, only to start the genocide Russian . Intercepted telephone conversation, Catherine Ashton. Where black and white shot is said that the new government in the maidan. Only an idiot would not understand. A fact that is mentioned in a conversation that these bitches go to the families of deputies, “Berkut” and arrange of terror, tortured, threatened that enough???
And that is the Olga, they mention that “Bogomolets”, Olga Vadymivna. Ukrainian doctor, social activist, she was offered the post of minister. She refused to be in the Nazi government. You ask why she refused, saying that the matter? Because her relatives and just kill . Shall not it obvious?
Now ask yourself, could be so simple to organize people to resist the police, intelligence services, without interference from outside? What do you think how much it costs comprise over 3 months eleven-million people? Clothe (Clothes, shields, masks, bits, clubs) feed every day hot meals, organize closets, with the export of shit? It’s millions of dollars.
Does Russia need a genocide of their own brothers, Ukraine? Perhaps this is we wanted to build a missile defense Ukraine’s borders, perhaps it we want to kill and osslablyat Slavonic people …
What you showed media, occupation of Crimea Russia . is shit … Here it okupatsiya . Bloodbath, children under 18 not to watch.
http://ekabu.ru/warfare/80963-rossiyskie-soldaty-v-krymu.html
People prayed to protect them from the Nazis, look at the faces of the people you see mb they fear, pain and humiliation? No, they came to protect the Russian people from the Nazis.And here OCCUPIERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU2qpxsgUo
In the portrait, Stepan Bandera, you can drive in Wikipedia, read who it is …
I have long followed the information war, I know that you shit your media show. But there are sites where they write pawdite, so you have the opportunity to observe the true picture. I offer apologies for more translation errors. Thank you.
After the Nazis looted military barracks, and took possession of military weapons and guns in the full amount of “Berkut” gave the green light for the use because they started to shoot …
Further, as we know Yanukovych fled the Nazis seized power (along with NATO) people like Klitschko almost a resident of Germany, supported by the United States, a faithful follower of Bandera Dmitry Jaros, Turchinova whose house more than Yanukovych. The first laws were anti-Russian, as well as resolvable Nazism .
Bandera and fascists, in a voice that shouted cut out all Russian living in the Ukraine. But since the government seized only in Kiev and Lviv. Crimea, Kharkiv, and many other cities have simply refused to accept the power of the Nazis. They have created a self-defense units, and did not let the Nazis. A Russian course prigrazilo war, when it is known that f want to cut Russian to population.
Although we did not attack the Ukraine, the Nazis restrain the ardor began to take economic laws, stopped shouting Nazi shouting, talking on cultural topics. But it’s all a mask, as things settle down, only to start the genocide Russian . Intercepted telephone conversation, Catherine Ashton. Where black and white shot is said that the new government in the maidan. Only an idiot would not understand. A fact that is mentioned in a conversation that these bitches go to the families of deputies, “Berkut” and arrange of terror, tortured, threatened that enough???
And that is the Olga, they mention that “Bogomolets”, Olga Vadymivna. Ukrainian doctor, social activist, she was offered the post of minister. She refused to be in the Nazi government. You ask why she refused, saying that the matter? Because her relatives and just kill . Shall not it obvious?
Now ask yourself, could be so simple to organize people to resist the police, intelligence services, without interference from outside? What do you think how much it costs comprise over 3 months eleven-million people? Clothe (Clothes, shields, masks, bits, clubs) feed every day hot meals, organize closets, with the export of shit? It’s millions of dollars.
Does Russia need a genocide of their own brothers, Ukraine? Perhaps this is we wanted to build a missile defense Ukraine’s borders, perhaps it we want to kill and osslablyat Slavonic people …
What you showed media, occupation of Crimea Russia . is shit … Here it okupatsiya . Bloodbath, children under 18 not to watch.
http://ekabu.ru/warfare/80963-rossiyskie-soldaty-v-krymu.html
People prayed to protect them from the Nazis, look at the faces of the people you see mb they fear, pain and humiliation? No, they came to protect the Russian people from the Nazis.And here OCCUPIERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU2qpxsgUo
In the portrait, Stepan Bandera, you can drive in Wikipedia, read who it is …
I have long followed the information war, I know that you shit your media show. But there are sites where they write pawdite, so you have the opportunity to observe the true picture. I offer apologies for more translation errors. Thank you.
The second part of Siberia messages because of volume one did not work.
After the Nazis looted military barracks, and took possession of military weapons and guns in the full amount of “Berkut” gave the green light for the use because they started to shoot …
Further, as we know Yanukovych fled the Nazis seized power (along with NATO) people like Klitschko almost a resident of Germany, supported by the United States, a faithful follower of Bandera Dmitry Jaros, Turchinova whose house more than Yanukovych. The first laws were anti-Russian, as well as resolvable Nazism .
Bandera and fascists, in a voice that shouted cut out all Russian living in the Ukraine. But since the government seized only in Kiev and Lviv. Crimea, Kharkiv, and many other cities have simply refused to accept the power of the Nazis. They have created a self-defense units, and did not let the Nazis. A Russian course prigrazilo war, when it is known that f want to cut Russian to population.
Although we did not attack the Ukraine, the Nazis restrain the ardor began to take economic laws, stopped shouting Nazi shouting, talking on cultural topics. But it’s all a mask, as things settle down, only to start the genocide Russian . Intercepted telephone conversation, Catherine Ashton. Where black and white shot is said that the new government in the maidan. Only an idiot would not understand. A fact that is mentioned in a conversation that these bitches go to the families of deputies, “Berkut” and arrange of terror, tortured, threatened that enough???
And that is the Olga, they mention that “Bogomolets”, Olga Vadymivna. Ukrainian doctor, social activist, she was offered the post of minister. She refused to be in the Nazi government. You ask why she refused, saying that the matter? Because her relatives and just kill . Shall not it obvious?
Now ask yourself, could be so simple to organize people to resist the police, intelligence services, without interference from outside? What do you think how much it costs comprise over 3 months eleven-million people? Clothe (Clothes, shields, masks, bits, clubs) feed every day hot meals, organize closets, with the export of shit? It’s millions of dollars.
Does Russia need a genocide of their own brothers, Ukraine? Perhaps this is we wanted to build a missile defense Ukraine’s borders, perhaps it we want to kill and osslablyat Slavonic people …
What you showed media, occupation of Crimea Russia . is shit … Here it okupatsiya . Bloodbath, children under 18 not to watch.
http://ekabu.ru/warfare/80963-rossiyskie-soldaty-v-krymu.html
People prayed to protect them from the Nazis, look at the faces of the people you see mb they fear, pain and humiliation? No, they came to protect the Russian people from the Nazis.And here OCCUPIERS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sU2qpxsgUo
In the portrait, Stepan Bandera, you can drive in Wikipedia, read who it is …
I have long followed the information war, I know that you shit your media show. But there are sites where they write pawdite, so you have the opportunity to observe the true picture. I offer apologies for more translation errors. Thank you.
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@ 05 MARCH, 2014 14:17 These two should be together:
Check out Greg Hallett’s book “Hitler Was A British Agent” 2nd edition 2006.
To counter these fears Jews have written books like
Hallett wrote the book “Hitler Was A British Agent” in order to “frame the discussion”.
He wanted to prevent people thinking that Hitler might have been a Jewish Agent.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-ukraine-feud-sniper-carnage-22823545
Anonymous reports (english subtitles):
[url]http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhBrL5f-Kp1WJZ9LAqvekGsVAXbLu_eZI[/url]
Adding a wrinkle to the challenge of overcoming the propaganda machine…the mainstream media is not merely manufacturing consent, they are actually manufacturing advocacy.
I have a call-in terrestrial radio show and when I bring out stuff such as what’s wrong with the official narrative of the Boston Marathon Bombing or even when I suggested that FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, if I’m not careful in how I present this stuff, people really lose it on me in defense of the official narrative.
I used to be blindsided by irate callers because I didn’t expect people to defend the lies that they personally had no real interest in preserving. This phenomenon happens with people on both the left and the right and it makes it difficult for someone like me with a small platform in the mainstream to get it all out there even though my bosses sensor me not one bit. I’m probably too small-time for anyone on top to be paying attention so I’m free and clear from above, yet I have to proceed with caution lest listeners write me off and tune me out.
I am not so ham-handed anymore and this weekend for example I did introduce people to the backstory on the Ukraine without prompting any irate calls. (here it is – the kinder, gentler approach to shocking news – http://themonicaperezshow.com/2014/03/08/whats-really-going-on-in-ukraine/)
Any thoughts on this phenomenon of “manufactured advocacy” or how to combat it?
Ukraine’s new government destroys people live:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8e-OJvMApA&list=PLhBrL5f-Kp1WJZ9LAqvekGsVAXbLu_eZI&index=2
@Monica: Dear Monica, thanks for your comment and question, a very important and interesting one indeed. Frankly, my solution is not never worry about who might like or not like what I have to say. Of course, I try to present as many factual arguments as possible, and I try to remain logical in the hope that my readers’ common sense will kick in. Recently, I have just posted a few paragraphs saying that the presence of Blackwater/Academi mercenaries in Kiev was no big deal. Just a few days before, I tried to explain why China would not side with the Ukraine. And, each time, basic common sense arguments seem to get a good response. Of course, there will always be a certain percentage of either totally ideological readers (or, in your case, listeners) and also a certain percentage of drooling morons. Mostly, I just ignore them. Typically, I try to engage them with a coherent reply, but as soon as I get a sense that the other guys is totally brainwashed or stupid I just ignore him. I will say that this is a TINY percentage and that the vast majority of my readers here are really very good, smart folks who have ALREADY figured out that they are being lied to and who are sick and tired of such lies, so they are really hungry for somebody saying the truth (even if they do not always agree with everything I say!) and they very much appreciate an honest approach. In my case, I am an anti-Zionist AND anti-racist, my politics are leftist, my ethics traditional Christian, I suppose Hezbollah but not Wahabis, I criticize the homosexual lobby AND the Latin Church, I am generally pro-Russian, but only because Russia now is doing the right thing (I was very critical of some Russian decisions under Medvedev), I firmly believe that 9/11 was an inside job, but I don’t believe in the existence of any ‘Illuminati’, etc. etc. etc. I just always speak my mind freely and outline the truth the best I see it. I promise you that I got A LOT of folks really angry at me, but that for one pissed of reader who left cursing and slamming the door, I got 20 or 30 more who were both understanding (some of my views are, admittedly, original or crazy) and grateful (because at least I don’t lie consciously). One reader here, Penny, who has her own blog told me to never worry about folks getting pissed off at me, and I think that she is right. I am now 50 years old and I have come to conclude that in life we must always do that which our conscience tells us is right and never worry about the consequences: we are in charge of actions, God deals with outcomes (yes, I am very religious too). The beauty of that is that here are really a lot of people out there who are very willing to forgive me for holding ideas they not agree with, as long as I can make a halfway fact based and logical case for them and as long as I speak from the heart. I believe that if you do that with your audience, some will leave, but more will be attracted – and you will have a much better audience at the end of the day :-)
HTH & kind regards,
The Saker
Saker,
I know how insanely busy you are so I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful and thorough response. Many of your points give me comfort (and courage!) I think the basic assumption must be that more people will be reached than repelled and if that’s not true it’s hopeless anyway! And you’re right – you and I disagree on many fundamental points, but I know you are a sincere and insightful truth-seeker so I am eager to hear what you say especially when your view contradicts mine! I am beginning to conclude, however, that the New Reformation will not be a function of the democratic process – I just don’t get the sense that the average voter is anywhere near skeptical enough of authority for that to work. I wish I had the faith you (and my mother!) profess – but maybe if I did I wouldn’t fight so hard in this world! God works in mysterious ways…
Thank you again!
Monica