by Ramin Mazaheri
It seems as if America’s media spends far more time speculating about Donald’s Trump’s psychological issues than discussing anything which could actually help the average household be able to afford a new car, which a new study reveals the average family can no longer do.
(FYI: I bought my used car entirely with 1- and 2-euro coins I saved up over 6 years, so that should tell you how great my car is and what I can afford….)
Based on what I see on Facebook, the average American Democrat has popped off about Trump’s psychological issues with enough virulence that a single libel attorney could buy a fleet of Ferraris, were libel prosecutions to increase.
So why should I be prevented from compassionately speculating about Emmanuel Macron’s possible psychological issues?
Well, I am really not that interested in them. I am a professional journalist, and not one who works for Paris Match, People magazine or Closer magazine. What interests me is not Macron’s personality but the social consequences of his policies.
I feel certain that the attacks on Trump’s character are simply a diversion from promoting real changes in US society. It is a great tactic by the 1% to get The People, who are already angry – due to an underserved political abandonment which has resulted in increased inequality, hardship and push starts to their old jalopies – to focus their anger on one individual instead of the real, yet fixable, flaws of their society.
The French media also does not have an adversarial role with power. There are 7 or 8 daily newspapers in Paris, but only one – the communist L’Humanité -is consistently on the side of The People…but, even then, not always The People in Mali, the Central African Republic, etc.
The French also famously “do not care” about the personal lives of politicians, so the relationship between Macron and his wife is supposed to be off-limits. And I agree with that – romantic lives are personal – but not when they seem to involve the illegal abuse of a minor.
I’d like to conclude this preamble that a repeated focus on Trump’s, or Macron’s, psychological state must be considered to be almost useless speculation, and for that reason true journalists must almost totally avoid them in order to fulfill their democratic obligations to The People.
But I guess I have been negatively influenced because – on this one rare occasion – I’d like to psychologically dissect Macron in order to speculate as to why his governing style is proving to be anti-democratic, pro-authoritarian and anti-social.
Who would marry their alleged rapist?
The fundamental difference I see between Trump and Macron should prove that I am not treating this in a sensational manner: Trump is the self-proclaimed aggressor, while Macron was the alleged victim.
Unfortunately that is the very true reality for Emmanuel Macron: He famously met his wife when she was his high school drama teacher and he was 15. Macron played the lead role in the play Jacques and His Master.
Emmanuel’s parents discovered there was an “affair” going on at 16, and even pulled him out of her school. Emmanuel’s father told Brigitte Trogneux, who at the time was married with 3 children, to back off his son until he was 18. She replied, “”I cannot promise you anything.”
That is not a “Teacher of the Year” type of response, I would say….
The age of sexual consent in France is only 15, but because Brigitte was in a position of power such relationships are banned until both parties are 18. Obviously, this extension is to prevent teachers from sleeping with their students.
We don’t know exactly when the two consummated their relationship because she refuses to say, and… that is a rather worrying sign. If someone ever accused me of being a statutory rapist or pedophile I would declare quite emphatically and without any obfuscation that I most definitely am NOT. Unfortunately, Brigitte Macron refuses to do that.
It’s hard to find any data about people who marry their rapist and are happy about it, because the case is usually like this: Some 13 year-old girl in an isolated hamlet in some country (including yours) is forced into marriage, and these types of testimonies usually aren’t positive.
Many want to say that because Macron is a male and not a female, then it was “not really rape”.
That reminds me of a case where a world-famous man revealed he was sexually abused as a minor. She was a 45-year old woman he worked for. I recall an interview where he explained: “in those days they didn’t call it abuse, they called it fun!”
That man was Ike Turner.
Ike was one of the very few true fathers of rock and roll music, but he is almost universally remembered for being the longtime physical abuser of Tina Turner.
The point here is: Even if Turner claimed to have enjoyed sex as a child, taking advantage of a minor must have some negative psychological consequences. It’s not psychologically illogical to guess that Turner’s later issues with violence, power and abuse stemmed in large part from his own victimization.
Brigitte wants to work with France’s minors, but ‘…I sure didn’t vote for his wife!’
Brigitte Macron still wants to be around schoolkids: She has stated that her focus over the next 5 years will be to continue working in the field of education, especially with handicapped children.
That sounds very noble, I guess.
However, common sense compels me to point out: If she was a male teacher who had been caught having an affair with a teenage student, she would almost certainly be banned from working again with minors at age 64.
I mean…right? I don’t think I’m going off the deep-end here….
As you would expect, the fact that Macron’s parents failed to report Brigitte to the police for statutory rape did provoke hostile reactions from other parents in young Emmanuel’s school district.
Yet French media either ignores the concerning trends going on here regarding Brigitte’s plans, or they won’t report it, or they can’t put two and two together and raise some very justifiable protests.
The quote about not voting for Macron’s wife was taken from a man-on-the-street interview I made in a Press TV story about this week’s backlash for the plans to give Brigitte an official status as “First Lady”. Macron remained committed to giving his wife some sort of official power even though polls in May showed that 68% of voters opposed it. Macron recently moved ahead with his plans to go against the public’s wishes (a trend with the pro-austerity politician), but the intense public backlash (including a petition with more than 300,000 signatures against giving Brigitte “First Lady” status) has caused him to back-peddle slightly. During this sleepy August vacation time – this qualified as big news in France.
There’s a lot about Brigitte Macron which rarely got reported in the West’s pro-capitalist and hugely pro-Macron media. Firstly, she is not just a humble schoolteacher but an heiress to a chocolate-making fortune.
Secondly, and quite interestingly, in 1989 she failed in her lone attempt to get elected to public office. Clearly, she is interested in political power…but she could not do it alone.
So for all the talk (but lack of evidence) that Trump is a “Manchurian Candidate”, there is seemingly plenty of fodder for similar speculation with Brigitte Macron. It’s clear that Brigitte is a constant presence at Macron’s side, and that she has tremendous influence over the president:
“Emmanuel Macron wouldn’t have been able to embark on this adventure without her,” said Marc Ferracci, a campaign adviser and a witness at the couple’s 2007 wedding, per The Independent. “Her presence is essential for him.”
But maybe Emmanuel always wanted to be a politician and he just found the right woman for him?
Or perhaps Macron wanted to be an actor, or an architect or a whatever…but he was greatly influenced by Brigitte and changed to please her? Such speculations are not really that interesting to me regarding the Macrons because, again, it’s the social consequences of Macron’s policies which truly affect peoples’ lives.
What we can all agree on is that children and adolescents need to be free of trauma, or must resolve trauma, in order to develop independence, achieve their own goals and, above all, to be moral people concerned with the welfare of others.
Maybe Brigitte will ultimately be similar to Hillary Clinton, who was handed the health care reform dossier in 1992 because her husband Bill was president? The recent backlash makes that unlikely. Perhaps she will be given less responsibility, like working with kids? Time will tell, but that man on the street was 100% correct when he told me: “Respect for democracy demands that she have no public role other than a strictly ceremonial one.”
If Brigitte does wind up working with children my honest advice would be for her to focus on the necessary effort to prevent sex between teachers and students.
That seems like a problem to me, but maybe I’m “old-fashioned”.
Does Macron suffer from over-identification with an abuser?
Let’s get back to the similarities between Emmanuel Macron and Ike Turner, in a sentence which has never been written before. Of course, it has nothing to do with totally square Macron’s abilities to make it funky.
Here is a quote of Turner’s which may illuminate the mindset of someone who has had to sublimate and reconcile being abused by a trusted authority figure:
“But you know, man, I’d do it all over again. I don’t care if Tina was the star. My whole thing isn’t stardom, I just care about getting people off. [His voice rising again] Damn the dollar!”
Isn’t it truly remarkable what a people-pleaser Turner viewed himself as?! All he cared about was “getting (other) people off”.
Or maybe his self-perception somehow got all screwed up? Maybe it’s just unresolved cognitive dissonance going on, because I would assume that Tina Turner would disagree?
All I know is that Macron seems to totally disagree with the part about “Damn the dollar!”
But then why did Macron give up his (assumedly) beloved Rothschild banker job to go into politics? Did he change just to please Brigitte? It’s a very mildly interesting psychological speculation.
My larger point is: I contend that Macron has evidenced a similarly subservient mentality to authority, and I have video proof:
It was early in the Macron-Le Pen presidential debate, before Le Pen dropped the act and started clowning around. Le Pen, still trying to win, was intelligently focusing on Macron’s far-right economic proposals and his collaboration in selling off Alstom to the US.
When it was Macron’s turn to respond he began talking about perhaps the most important economic phenomenon in the West today: underemployment.
In France this translates as “making the labor market more flexible”…to force people to settle for inadequate part-time work. There is nothing better to keep wages down, working conditions bad and profits up then workers coming to a boss with their hat in hand and asking for more hours. That’s the opposite of stability, security and dignity, and that’s what Hollande and Macron’s (forthcoming) labor code roll backs are really all about.
The problem for capitalists is that France has industry-wide labor agreements in many cases – this collectivizes worker power, needs and influence, and Macron wants to break this. One of his main goals is to reduce collective bargaining down to the company level. And then down to the plant/office level. And then, in US fashion, the solitary individual level.
Macron started talking about ship workers who had accepted a deal for part-time work – they were being threatened with the plant being sold to Italy, and they feared losing their jobs completely.
Macron said, “I will put it simply: They signed the agreement, which gave more flexibility, which permitted them to keep their jobs. That’s we want for other companies.”
Then Macron leaned in, cupped his hand in a gesture which seemed to say he was crystalizing the issue, and turned to the two debate moderators – breaking off his gaze at Le Pen, knowing she would be opposed to his final point:
“That’s what the company bosses demand.”
(This occurs at 45:45 in this link, or at around his 7th minute on Macron’s speaking timer.)
At the time I thought: “But who cares what those already rich bastards demand?”
If Macron was a communist he wouldn’t care what the company bosses demand – he’d be fighting their unjust and abusive authority and in favor of the average person.
My point with this vignette is: Macron is someone who appeared very unwilling or unable to challenge people in authority.
Indeed, he identifies with the corporate bosses and wants to serve their needs, which he apparently views as correct and even benevolent, even when they are anything but. Perpetual underemployment is anything but benevolent!
Maybe Macron is just very easily duped by people in power, in that he doesn’t question them? Like with a teacher who says that their sexual relationship is “normal”, when it is not – when it is illegal in France and morally suspect in many cultures.
To a cracker barrel psychologist like myself, this wrongheaded people-pleasing appears consistent with a teenage subject of abuse who cared for their abuser at the expense of what is proper and just.
This people-pleasing attitude has propelled Macron to the top of the capitalist political scene, of course. They love his subservience! It also propelled Ike Turner to the top of the music scene. The two scenes are quite different, though: one is for pleasure and edification, the other starts wars and leaves you to die untreated on a hospital gurney in the hallway.
Look at the video and you’ll see that Macron’s body language, tone and choice of words make it crystal clear that there is no question that he wants to displease the bosses.
But hell, ignore that stuff and just look at his political programs! He is going to force through another gutting of the labor code, normalize the state of emergency in a major executive branch power grab, and he has already cut billions more from social services than he initially said. In only 3 months in office!
Here is why I believe this analysis matters: Macron’s misidentification with authority would not be a major problem if he were an average factory worker, farmer or café owner – but it’s a huge problem when he is supposed to uphold democratic processes as France’s president. By continuing to identify with oppressive, morally incorrect teachers (in 2017 for Macron those are Brussels technocrats/bureaucrats) and authority figures (like Angela Merkel), Macron may be trying to subconsciously justify his own personal victimization to himself; or he may have not been able to break his past negative cycle of accepting immoral, incorrect authority, and thus is re-enacting it at the highest public level.
If the president does not stand up for the common person…that is a huge, huge problem for France’s democratic institutions, their financial situation (which is terrible) and, in what is no exaggeration, the situation of every common person in the Eurozone.
An over-inflated sense of self-worth: is it genuine or over-compensation?
Maybe Macron and Turner are right, and what we call “abuse” they called good “fun”?
But perhaps by being sexually selected by his “boss” at such an early age, Macron has inculcated a grandiose idea of himself? His pretty, bohemian, rich drama teacher tapped him for masculine success, and that gave Macron an enormous ego boost?
Well, let’s come back to reality, Emmanuel: from what I remember of those who were in my high school drama club, being the most masculine among those young men was akin to being the tallest of the Seven Dwarves….
But his ego may be so out of whack from besting a bunch of drama club teens – many of whom probably never saw the appeal of Brigitte Trogneux – that he may view himself as some sort of demigod among men. That’s not good for a leader of The People, but Macron evinced exactly this when he spoke of his plans for a “Jupiterian presidency”.
Regardless, however much fun Macron may have had, society generally agrees that he was the victim of a traumatic and psychologically damaging act because there must be some negative psychological blowback to being pressured into sex at too early an age. Society in 2017 knows that the longer you wait the better it is for you psychologically, much the chagrin of adolescent boys (and girls too, let’s not be blind).
The psychological blowback could have generated a large range of negative character attributes: He could develop tendencies for showing off, for reckless spending, for amassing power, for duplicity, for treachery, for cruelty, for excessive dependency on his abuser, or a sense of isolation due to his differentness. There is ample proof already for all of these issues.
There’s a second part to that earlier quote from Ike Turner, so let’s return to it:
“Damn the dollar! S—t, you have to have money. I’ve been hungry. But my thing was seeing people come into clubs and saying, ‘Make me happy, do what you want with me. I’m yours.’”
So there is “Ike the People Pleaser” side, which he revealed first, but then there is “You Only Exist as Fuel for Ike’s Pleasure” side. Give him power by buying a ticket, and he believes you are saying that,“(Ike, you can) do what you want me with me. I’m yours”.
There is no yin without a yang; no action without an equal and opposite reaction. Ike is definitely happy to be a people-pleaser sometimes, but the other times he’s a user without limits. Ike was married 10 times – he never found his limits, romantically.
Musically, you have to give Ike credit: He was known for always being in the background, stone-faced, rhythmically steady and an anchor for Tina to thrill The People and launch himself and everyone into a new stratosphere of happiness.
Again, the big difference here is that Macron is not a common musician but a president whose job title is to be self-sacrificing on behalf of The People. In musical terms, Macron needs to be strictly rhythm in order to be in tune with The People’s needs, and not some detested guitar-god prima donna who thinks he is Jupiter.
It’s clear which side Macron has felt comfortable to display and draw upon in his public duties, thus far.
So what do we do with these ‘nuggets’ of psychological insight?
I have no idea.
I bring up these points not to be sensational, but because this is the reality: If Macron has not resolved the issues that such abuse would have likely caused, it is very unlikely he will do so now, even though he is half Trump’s age.
I have never heard of a president in therapy. That would be big news, even if it shouldn’t be.
Maybe Macron has already resolved these issues positively? If he hasn’t it’s possible that – now that he is the one in power – those beneath him (the 99%) will suffer, because I don’t need a psychology degree to know that ”sh-t rolls downhill”, as the crude saying goes.
Another reality is that I don’t think Brigitte is going to tell the truth about what happened and get any required treatment/punishment: I think it’s far more likely she spends even more time with defenseless minors, because who will stop her this time?
But I can’t change Macron’s behavior or his history any more than you can change Trump’s with your ranting, ungrammatical, huge blocks of unreadable Facebook text. Anyways, Macron’s identity is his own, and to oppose one’s identity is…identity politics, another preference of anti-socialist capitalism. The focus must be on combating his far-right policies, and getting policies which unite the 99% and which serve the 99%.
There’s no reason why we can’t take a largely positive view of the Macrons’ relationship: Perhaps Macron simply fixated on his drama teacher and was unwilling to take the necessary internal, psychological steps to advance to a more normal relationship which is assumedly more fulfilling (especially in his later years)?
If that’s the case I am basically saying: “Macron has some psychological issues.” Well, so do I. And so do you. Big deal.
All this speculation aside, rules are made to be broken, especially with limited psychological constructs where one size cannot possibly fit all. Ike Turner’s sexual abuse began at 6 years old, so there’s plenty of hope for Macron. There only person there can be no hope for in this world is Turner, as he passed on from a cocaine overdose in 2007.
I unreservedly wish Macron and his wife a happy, healthy and fulfilled life together.
I do have justified concerns about Brigitte’s plans to work with students again.
But, most of all, I sincerely wish that Emmanuel Macron immediately change his political stances, because they are so immoral, so cruel and so illogical that I can’t help but cast about for psychological reasons as to how he could arrive at such obviously anti-social conclusions.
Ramin Mazaheri is the chief correspondent in Paris for Press TV and has lived in France since 2009. He has been a daily newspaper reporter in the US, and has reported from Iran, Cuba, Egypt, Tunisia, South Korea and elsewhere. His work has appeared in various journals, magazines and websites, as well as on radio and television.
You’re implying that Brigitte Macron was a sort of pedophile predator and Macron was the victim, but what if the roles were reversed and Macron was the predator? She was married with 3 kids when she met Macron and had absolutely everything to lose with this affair. (She did in fact lose her marriage and access to her kids)
To an overbearing psychopathic personality, age difference is no barrier. You can have a a very manipulative young person and a very malleable older person. What he’s shown so far is that he’s certainly used to getting his own way…
Hi Serbian Girl,
Macron was just 15 years old when they met…so, c’mon. If he’s as guilty as you say he is…well, that’s why they have reduced sentences for minors.
Regardless of what I think, in the French societally-agreed upon law, Macron is the victim. Of that there is no doubt. I can’t say if Macron was an “overbearing psychopathic personality” back then but….he was just a teenager, eh?
I certainly did a LOT of dumb stuff as a teenager which I would NEVER do now. Perhaps that is why I am sympathetic to teenage Macron?
I understand your line of thought, but I have my doubts about it.
When she stated that she could not guarantee to stay away from a still young Macron, well, that doesn’t sound like a ‘victim’ to me.
Maybe they are both manipulative?
What was most striking to me, is that the French massively have reacted on that petition, mentioned in the article.
Normally French people don’t care sh*t about the personal life of their president. When Hollande started an affair with Julie Gayet (I’m still wondering what the hell she saw in him anyway) while he was still with his partner Valerie Trierweiler (French called her Rottweiler), the French public has just grinned and laughed about it.
So when they care now, there must be something at stake.
“When she stated that she could not guarantee to stay away from a still young Macron, well, that doesn’t sound like a ‘victim’ to me.”
You nailed it. IMO she has told us what the power configuration was like unless we believe that teen Macron was so powerful that he could force Grandma to do his bidding. At gun point perhaps but psychologically I doubt it. She could have told him to “F*** Off” and that would have been it. Macron was not an Athenian God.
Interesting points you made there. Was inclined to post something along that line.
However. The overall gist of this article is very thought provoking (gasoline for the brain), that any seriously (angled/narrow) criticism would be a waste of my (and others) time.
As always, I thoroughly enjoy the rant’s/analysis of Ramin Mazaheri.
Take Care
Kent
Do you have children? What would you say if your 15-year old son seduced a 43-year old mother of three? Come on, would you go to console the poor aged victim of being abused by your kid?
Teens do not have a good control over their emotions because the neurophysiological apparatus takes another 5-15 years to mature. The article is on point.
I totally agree. I have 3 kids (now 17, 20 and 21) and if I learned that some 43 year old person “seduced” one of them at 15 I would make sure that this person would have ample time to regret that while at the ICU.
Cheers!
The Saker
Yes, I do have a young child, Anna, which is why I cannot understand how Brigitte Macron, a young mother, abandoned her 3 three children, her whole family- for what? a 15 year old adolescent? I assume therefore she must be very weak-minded..I know I would never abandon my child.
Ramin identifies with the young teenage Macron. I identify with the young mother. As Anais Nin eloquently put it: ” We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are”.
All the speculations here are perfectly valid, as we don’t know what went on between the two.
Anyways, thanks Ramin, for a great thought provoking write up, as usual.
I have a big problem with her abandoning her three children, but that was a court order it seems to me. Please can you back this up with facts. Mod
Trogneux’s three children and seven grandchildren (who call Macron “daddy”) were pictured wearing shirts with his party’s slogan before election day. I read this some time ago that is why I write “but that was a court order it seems to me”
My nephew at the age of 14 was carrying on with an older girl—in her twenties, I think.
Parents very upset.
Thank God she didn’t get pregnant.
Maybe the French think this seduction by an older woman/courtesan is some kind of “initiation.”
Maybe for a couple of nights that is OK, and works. So that the courtesan can teach the young fellow enough so that he doesn’t totally botch things when he meets a girl his own age.
Otherwise, such a big age difference does not seem to me to be a good idea.
If a 30-year-old man decides to marry a woman twice his age, fine.
But the age difference is far more extreme with a teenager, who has only been alive for a few years to start with.
Katherine
He married her when he was 29 and all her children were at the wedding get over it men do it all the time with younger women. What biology allows its normal what religion forbids is abnormal. We are not talking about prepubescent male or female.
“Maybe the French think this seduction by an older woman/courtesan is some kind of “initiation.””
I am speculating just based on watching a lot of French movies. Seduction of the young by older is quite a common theme in French movies. Is it so in society ? I have no clue.
Good point, nobody seems to know what precocious means.
PC we all want to be – right?
Teacher’s Pet!
TP syndrome.
Katherine
My theory is that Macron has a mother complex that married the mother image in Brigitte.
Young men are not young women, so why do we get this SJW dribble from the usual suspect. When I was growing up, the autobiographies of famous men frequently had the same men boast about their ***very*** early sexual activity with older women- and no-one in society at the time blinked, or suggested ‘abuse’.
The real abuse of young men tended to come from older male predators- at school, in the army (in nations that allow child soldiers like the UK), in sports and apprenticeships as part of an ‘initiation’ ceremony.
The ***only*** reason women started being prosecuted for these types of ‘crimes’ was because of a perverted act of revenge by males in positions in power angered that they were finally being punished for abusing their authority with young women they had power over. During my childhood, newspapers would constantly have stories of powerful men taken to court for having sex with young girls- where the male judge would blame the girl and give the guy a small fine at worse. Only when the crackdown finally came did certain vile people start saying “if men are punished, so should the women who have sex with young men”.
Today, sheeple have the ‘proof’ of men in their 40s and 50s seeking prosecution of the women they had sex with when they were 13-15 years old. But the reason is really the giant financial payout these men get if the woman is convicted.
As I said, men and woman are different, and have differing societal positions. To be forced to sex by a person with power over you is soul destroying. But the key word here is ‘forced’. A male teacher who targets emotionally vulnerable girls in his class in a series of serial ‘conquests’ most certainly fits the definition for ‘force’ even if the targeted girl thinks she wants the ‘relationship’. The psychology of young males is entirely different. They don’t respect older women but lust after them.
After all is said and done, in any society, a small number of men will marry much older women, and a larger number of women will marry much older men. And if the marriage is a good, lasting one we should be happy for them. But bottom feeding journalistic scum will try to make something out of such a relationship- while neatly ignoring the real society horror of ever growing divorce rates.
Attacking Macron over details of his happy marriage is like suggesting Hitler was a bad person because he was a bad painter. Macron is beneath contempt for many reasons, but since most of these reasons revolve around his ‘affection’ for ‘friends of Israel’, journalists who only pretend to be on our side will continue with this degrading yellow ‘journalism’ and neatly ignore the elephant in the room.
you obviously don’t understand the concept of statutory rape, as for your characterization of young male psychology – it might fit you but I assure you that it does not fit every boy out there.
But what really bothers me is the useless insults (“SJW dribble from the usual suspect” or “degrading yellow ‘journalism’”). You are more than welcome to disagree with Ramin, but not to insult him.
One more insult like that and I will ban you.
An apology to Ramin from you will make me forget this.
Your move.
The Saker
You are at your best when you write your articles and I’m always delighted when I find a new one. However, I must however respectfully take issue with your reply to x. There are three sides to my objection.
1. I simply disagree with your implication that an older woman seducing a young man is a predatory act. It’s only “rape” because of the “statutory” prefix. ALL men of my acquaintance, including myself, dreamed of, and even enjoyed similar experiences at the time. In my opinion, it’s simply PC gone mad to suggest that young men are actually distressed or harmed by these encounters.
I will agree that the reverse is not true. There are plenty of older men who wish to seduce teenage women. And even though the woman may at the time believe she wants the “relationship”, I can agree that she’s usually simply not able to make the informed choice. Hence the “statutory” bit which makes sense in this context. But men and woman are _not_ the same and it’s, IMHO, PC malice at its finest when it tries to equate these two superficially similar situations.
In any event, this is my humble opinion and it’s endlessly entertaining to disagree and debate about these things.
agreed
Which leads me to issue #2.
I disagree with how harshly you quash dissent on this blog.
I disagree with your premise about “dissent” being “quashed”
As you are so adept at pointing out, the real world is filled with actions far harsher than mere name calling or capitalization of text. I for one enjoy the spectacle of a good cat fight, and the major reason I frequent _any_ blog is to read the comments. In sifting through noise, I’m constantly finding real insight. But this insight won’t be available at all unless there’s some reason to talk. But if the comments are sanitized too aggressively then what’s the point? I heartily agree that there are plenty of trolls who are intentionally making trouble and ought to be shown the door quickly. But I have also
seen numerous occasions on this blog when an otherwise exciting food fight flames out before it even has a chance to prove its worth.
Which finally leads me to issue #3.
Is this “your” blog?
Yes, indeed, it is my blog. 100% mine. I am the author and host.
Or is it a community thing?
The community are friends, guests, but not owners or people in charge.
On the one hand, I have on occasion seen you claim the former. If so, I’m cool with that. After all, it is your blog and you can run it as you see fit. But on the other hand you also talk a lot about “community”. So if that’s the case, then I, as a humble member of this community am speaking my mind about how it works.
yes, and I have no objections to that :-)
I hope you can take my critique with the respect intended. Thanks for all your hard work and I will continue to contribute in whatever fashion I can.
I don’t know where you get the idea that I quash dissent. All I do is call it the way I see it, and when I see a rude or insulting comment, I also call it. As for the mods, if anything, I find then *too lenient*.
100% free speech is doable on a small blog. on a bigger one it turns into a ugly slugfest and I don’t want that. And Nazis who get offended that I call Ukronazis Ukronazis can cry me a river – I call it as a see it. Then can call them UkroJews or anything else on *their* blog.
Cheers,
The Saker
Saker
Look through the comments on you site for twilight responding to a reply. You are arguing with a machine generated comment.
LOL! You might be right. Thanks for waking me up :-)
The Saker
Great catch VT!
I think it is applicable to spark a discussion about this inequity between the way men and women are treated, because, the ridiculous, growing inequity, favouring women, undermines the credibility of the entire western Empire’s judiciary, in direct contradiction of the prevailing social public myth of ‘equality of sex/gender/orientation’; this phenomenon is trending towards criminalization of longstanding and biologically-based human male behavioural traits. Repression of such biological behaviours, will undoubtedly result in a social disaster.
Also, it is relevant to review the entire personhood of E. Macron and his relationship with the 99% of citizens in France, and to a lesser extent, the rest of the world.
Before I continue, I must admit, that I do NOT necessarily see anything intrinsically wrong with a 30 year old teacher, getting together with a fifteen year old student, measuring by hunter-gatherer standards, this could be a very pragmatic pairing. Of course, the problems started with the agricultural revolution, blah, blah, blah… [I hope you ‘get it’]
Back to the (cluster of) point(s) at hand…
Despite the above paragraph… I got to say, it’s weird, and I don’t trust it; it bespeaks something wrong, even if I might not know what the wrong is… It’s intuitive, and potentially extends well below the waking consciousness level…
I don’t see it in any way hypocritical to NOT have a problem with a 15 year old and a 30-31 years old getting together… for a little while, and feeling an uneasiness about a 39 year old man with a 65 year old woman, (supposedly) in partnership.
Likewise, nor do I see it in any way hypocritical to find no problem whatsoever with a 39 year old woman together in partnership with a 65 year old man.
I don’t know why, but I don’t care.
It is what it is.
What is Macron, then?
post scriptum: RM thanks for all the chuckles; appreciating all of the articles.
The truth is that there are manipulative little psychos of both sexes – they start their games at an early age.
But, the onus is on the adult to repel such games or face the consequences. Practically, there is no other way to deal with it.
A brilliant digression about Macron being the victim of Briggite Macron. I have wondered about this since I learned of their meeting, age differences, how would his abuse affect his presidency of vital France! And, he so young, never without his wife as if he feels he will not survive without her.
Ramin Mazaheri I salute him.
I want to add something.
In the first place, thank you Ramin for writing another artikel that put a smile on my face. I like you subtile sarcasm.
Secondly, a teacher and a student are emotionally not equal. In my country a teacher would go into jail for that. That’s more humane than the ICU, but I understand it being a father myself.
Let me tell you a story.
I have been exercising judo for years, at a sport school in my neighbourhood. The master there has been a top judoka, he had been in the Olympics.
He had two daughters. Someday he found out that his youngest daughter had been regularly raped.
He would have been able to break about every bone in his body. You know what he did?
He just went to the police with his daughter.
I have asked him how he managed to control himself.
He answered me that the thought of destroying that guy had gone many times through his mind.
He said ‘when I would have done that, he would be in jail, but I also. From whom is my family than going to eat?
” a teacher and a student are emotionally not equal. ”
That’s it.
Even if Macron had met an older woman at, say, some social event and they got together, that would be very different from a relationship with a teacher.
When I was in high school the headmaster of my school was very interested in me.
I was a scholarship student and I knew that I needed the support of this man for college recommendations, etc. Because it was a small, new school, the headmaster had a great deal of power over individual students. for example, where they were “allowed” to apply to college.
He didn’t try to start an affair with me while I was actually in his school, but he did try to do so later.
I was under a lot of pressure because this man had been in a quasi-parental role with me and I also felt a certain sense of obligation to him. At the same time that the whole idea turned me off because he had made decisions for me similar to a parent. (It is this in loco parentis that makes it double troubling when a trusted older person—priest or teacher—seduces a teenager or child. A teacher is to a great extent acting in loco parentis. That means, acting in the interests of the child/teenager, not in self-interest.) And, he was a married man and why would a man who had acted like a parent want to turn me into a “mistress”—second-class mate. No parent would want that for his/her daughter. Very selfish. And I would say the same of Brigitte. Very selfish. I turned him down and it was more or less the end of our “friendship.” His wife understood what was going on with him and of course I ended up being cast in a bad light.
There is no way that a sexual relationship between a teenager and an authority figure who also has power over the student’s grades etc. can be healthy. Even if the student were older—say, in college—the same power relationship would hold with the professor or a member of the uni admin. having power over the student. That is subtle coercion or distortion of motivation, feeling of choice. There is no real free choice in such a situation. The awareness of having been “chosen” by an authority figure is very tempting to a young person and really muddies the waters to the extent that such a young person can’t distinguish between a feeling of flattery and perhaps even of having “beaten out” competitors in the class (such are the immature thoughts of teenagers!) and desire to please, and feeling genuine romantic interest as between two independent people. Once a teenager has been so “chosen” with this special attention, it has a subtle affect on the young person’s thinking and the young person tends to be hyper-aware of what the teacher thinks and to try to please and meet expectations in varoius ways. Hence I think Ramzi is spot on in pointing out this possible dynamic of even unconsciously tailoring one’s persona and opinions to what one imagines the older person would want/expect.
Granted, a young male is more likely to jump into bed with an older woman than a young girl is. But if the woman is the kid’s teacher, she should hold off. An older individual who really cares about an equal relationship will wait until the student gets older.
At least when the student gets older he/she will see more clearly whether he/she really cares for this older person enough to enter into a romantic relationship. Fifteen-year-olds cannot make such decisions. IMHO. Even then, the worm is probably in the apple for most such scenarios because the very fact of *having been* known by the adult as a child puts a major burden on now-grown-up child to be treated as a “real” adult and to feel him- or herself as a genuine adult vis-a-vis the teacher. And, we all know that in connection with our own parents, once a child, always a child. The parent will *always* be a parent, even when the adult child is, say, a retiree!
Katherine
Many times I have wondered if “the powers that be” diligently search for, and then find, the Most Messed Up people out there —- and then insure that these are the very ones who become presidents, prime ministers, etc. Recently my sweetie and I read the alarming book about Mr. Trump called “The greatest show on earth” which chronicled his treatment of the people who used to work in the Trump Casinos, along with other major concerns…..he is a truly awful person….. and some people say he’s such a great businessman. No, he has had enough businesses go up in flames that actually, NO, he is NOT a great businessman. He is more like the captain of a sinking ship who blows up all the lifeboats, except one, for himself, naturally. Of course, the creatures at the very top of this earthly power structure knew all of these sordid details long, long before Trump ever became president , just as they knew all about Macron’s issues……And these are the ones who become “our leaders”. Is there a “leader” anywhere on this planet that is not absolutely corrupted?
“I have never heard of a president in therapy. That would be big news, even if it shouldn’t be.”
Well, it seems that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and President of France François Maurice Adrien Marie Mitterrand have an secret affair while he was been in therapy…
I must say, this is for me Mahzeri’s most readable and enjoyable column.
“Macron le molestee” and Ike Turner: Brilliant!
I cannot dispute the main thrust of this article. Unfortunately, hell is soon to be upon the sleeping French people. Anyone who has spent a few days observing the French Assembly would know that September will be the start of the fall of the “fifth” republic.
For those interested in Macon’s mental health here is a good starting place:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/08/ecocide-and-the- psychotic-0-5-per-cent/
A question that no-one seems to have addressed – was Macron aware of his
“seducer’s” inheritance?
And, as nature takes its course – will Macron remain celibate for the rest of his life?
There is a word: “precocious” that has not been mentioned – ’til now.
krollchem – why will September be the start of the fall of France’s fifth republic? Do tell.
Macron’s support has dropped from 64% to 38% in three months. Most of these supporters are still asleep and are focused on the “Grandes Vacances” in August.
Come September Macron plans to install the CETA agreement (September 20th) which allows pollution of France with GMO products and destruction of smaller French industries and farming:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Economic_and_Trade_Agreement
One has to be amazed by how effective Edward Bernay’s propaganda techniques worked on the French people. How else could someone who cannot even speak proper French and knows little about finance and economy become the President of France. In the end Macron is simply a tool of Jacques Attali, the Banks (e.g. Rothschilds), the CAC40 and major media in France:
http://real-agenda.com/macron-cia-agent-supported-nato-rothschilds/
Macron is just an ideologue tasked with implementation the globalist agenda:
http://www.ladocumentationfrancaise.fr/rapports-publics/084000041/index.shtml.
Opposing this globalist cabal are the French military, police, most mayors, unions, farmers, small businesses and rural people in general. With Macron in control of the National Assembly and the French court system there is no democratic mechanism in place to replace Jupiter/Macron. The only alternative is open rebellion in the streets of France.
I would urge those who understand French to view the proceedings of the French Assembly and the leaders of the various opposition parties in France for a fuller understanding of the dangers that Macron poses.
I’m certainly not pro-Macron. But I think the French are right about not getting into personal love lives of politicians. Unless they were truly horrible. Which I doubt this one was. But seriously don’t you think its a bit strange that since in the Muslim World we see countless reports of girls being forced to marry their rapists.And child brides being pretty common.You would report like you are surprised over something like a 15 year old boy having a relationship with an older women.True its the other way around and the boy is the younger one in this case.Is that why you are surprised about it.
“You would report like you are surprised over something like a 15 year old boy having a relationship with an older women.”
I think the surprise is that this manchild is now head of the country.
Also, the *fact* of such marriages where a young girl is forced to marry her rapist is not an issue for surprise. “Surprise” is the wrong word for the context.
Just recently I read of a young Afghan girl, ca. 15, who succeeded in shooting herself with her father’s weapon. Shut up in the home, of course, like most Afghan girls and women since the religious situation changed in the late sixties/early seventies. The speculation is that suicide was the only way for her to get out of an unwanted marriage with a much older man who had basically bought her from her father.
Katherine
Our courts just arrested Blackmore a Mormon for taking his 13 year old daughter to Utah to marry a polygamous Mormon Jeffs . In 2007, U.S. sect leader Warren Jeffs was sentenced to 10 years in prison for forcing a 14-year-old Utah girl to marry an older man against her will. Blackmore, age 52 and acknowledged as a leader of the isolated Mormon community near Creston BC has at least 21 wives and 101 children. Isaac marred Rebecca when she was three years old The biblical period was rampant with this kind of thing mainly because men wrote the bible and made the rules.
What I have noticed is that “shock” is selective and timed. There is plenty of shocking things going on but if it is not needed by the “Kabuki Theater” script writers it is not flung in the Masses Faces. Thus it is made to seem to be not happening.
well , good start effort for deciphering hidden macron’s psychology forces at work, but also
perhaps he had a big problem with his parents who had serious failures in loving him and found a parental figure who gave him the double gift of self esteem and active masculinity and he was for ever grateful to her to have been released of his parental suffering . the fact that he had also paternal figure mentors who nurtured his political career and funded him as well seems to point toward this problem of parental replacement which is so common place in these divorce troubled times. By the way Dominique Strauss Kahn was equally abused as a minor in his first sexual experience , I dont remember if he or his wife told the press, but in his case he turned in a true sexual abuser which ended in the famous NY scandal and gave the presidency to Hollande . compared to this fate Macron fared incomparably better , although his subservience to authority figures like EU or Merkel it is not without problems as you put in evidence .
But except if france leaved EU, Otan and euro , which was the program of one candidate ,
what else could do another president other than obey in a land which has lost covertly the essential of its sovereignty over monetary, legal and military matters ?
“By the way Dominique Strauss Kahn was equally abused as a minor in his first sexual experience , I dont remember if he or his wife told the press, but in his case he turned in a true sexual abuser which ended in the famous NY scandal and gave the presidency to Hollande .”
The weaknesses of the power figures are well known and noted in their “Control Files”. When needed they are brought out into the Light for us to delight in. Gov. of New York “Client-9” is another excellent case of how this works.
The author is a brilliant writer and understands French society. But I don’t think he should focus on what wasn’t rape in any traditional sense — a consenting teen boy and an older woman. If Macron is such a damaged dupe, tell us what he is materially doing to French society now … don’t dive into this ancient Clintonesque scandal and the resulting garbled psychologsm.
M. Trogneux, father of Brigitte, is a chocolate magnate. Guess what is specialty is… Macarons!
Isn’t it delicious?
Yes. What is the name of the company?
Her very own Petit Macaron!!
A marriage made in macaroon heaven. Between two flakes?
“By continuing to identify with oppressive, morally incorrect teachers (in 2017 for Macron those are Brussels technocrats/bureaucrats) and authority figures (like Angela Merkel), Macron may be trying to subconsciously justify his own personal victimization to himself”
Could well be, in which case his wife and erstwhile teacher should be seriously appreciated for a most successful introduction to the world of money and power of “son cher petit Emmerdiel”. Supposedly, hunchback Merkel won’t pander to his desires, LOL
Recalled me of a baseball player Roberto Petagine.
He used to be married to his friend’s mother, who’s 25 years older than him.
They say he met her for his first time when he was 18.
Known in Japan as a sweetest (and odd) couple for their hot relationship.
Lately said to have divorce.
Because of him having an affair with a 21 years young girl.
Therefore, what I mean is that there’s a chance for Macron as well.
Man is a feature unpredictable who just does what he wants, when he wants to.
No one knows.
one of your best articles yet, i think.
perhaps this one might give it a little additional context too http://www.feministcurrent.com/2015/09/28/youve-heard-of-rape-culture-but-have-you-heard-of-pedophile-culture/