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Contact has been lost with the Swedish boat Marianne, which had been leading the Gaza-bound Freedom Flotilla, after other boats turned back – READ MORE http://on.rt.com/dq5gd2
there is no doubt about who is the world NUMBER ONE enemy at the moment and they make it obvious what they are doing and who they are sending the message to, from 911 and the London transport bombings to PARIS and CHARLIE HEBDO to the killings in TUNISIA and now peace flotilla to GAZA they are so aggressive it is absolutely vulgar, they are nearly asking for really savage reprisal, almost like a death wish.
I still think Israel is a symptom of the carcinoma that is the bankers cartel including BIS in Switzerland…Israel is a bunch of gangsters being ‘allowed’ to kill a people….just like the Europeans did to the Native North American Indians. The two scenarios are very similar.
Spot on Ann.
I would also liken the attacks/theft of Palestinian land to the British colonial enterprise against aboriginal peoples in Australia.
Oh, is it already time for another pro-Hamas PR-stunt?
And lead by the Swedes of all nations… if they were only that liberal at home:
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/02/05/384096505/swedens-immigrant-influx-unleashes-a-backlash
“”Immigrants are in general little bit more criminal than Swedes born in Sweden, and that’s a fact,” party leader Jimmie Akesson recently told the BBC. “You can see it especially in violence, rape and so on.”
Of course others dispute that claim. Nonetheless, the Sweden Democrats want to cut immigration by 90 percent. And they are willing to take dramatic steps to make it happen.”
“Across Sweden, three mosques were firebombed in the span of a month.
“Every time I wake up, I’m very afraid to check my telephone to see that something happened during the night,” says Omar Mustafa, president of the Islamic Association of Sweden.
At an interview in his Stockholm office, he says that although Sweden has a history of racism, “this year, and this time especially, it’s the most scary time actually. People are really afraid, and people are actually talking about moving from Sweden.”
The Sweden Democrats insist that there is no connection between these attacks and the party’s anti-immigration rhetoric. At an interview in Malmo, party official Nima Gholam Ali Pour suggests that Muslims may have firebombed the mosques.
“Were there personal problems in the mosque, or was it someone from another mosque?” he asks. “There are conflicts between Muslims.”
When pressed about swastikas that have been painted on the side of mosques, though, Ali says, “Of course that’s racist. That’s racist.””
Pure hypocrisy.
Do you suggest that when there is racism in Sweden – as there is – these people can’t have a different view on things.
In almost any cases people in Sweden has much better situation both in human rights and living standards than people in Gaza. That’s obvious. Why aren’t swedish people possible to go to Gaza to help people there?
And I know there is racism in Nordic countries, but you are totally missing anything if you can connect that thing in any negative way to these activists who were trying to get, and actually getting, publicity to the opressed people of Gaza. Even they were forced to not to go there.
– In the video it’s absolutely absurd when this privileged Israeli person is trying to say there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza. I know it’s for PR, but I’m wondering how on earth can he himself believe that? Maybe he isn’t, I hope for himself and his people.
I can’t avoid to find similarities to some totalitarian countries in history about this way of speaking rude lies and denying the reality of the situation. I find one word. Absurd.
It’s not about the (abused) people, it’s about the twisting of history involved. Try this for a change:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/mandate.html
I don’t see any point if you are trying to use the previous suffering and problems of jews to excuse the current situation in West Bank and Gaza (and Lebanon too).
Situation is that the Israeli are occupying and continue to increase sending settlers to these areas. That is de facto illegal under international law. And they are doing it exactly because United States is preventing the already over 40 years old international solution to been put in order in UN councils.
If there is no U.S. support and instead international pressure on Israeli government the situation will be solved quite fast. (Situation is somewhat the same that was with South Africa in the late 80’s, just after the pressure of international community U.S. administrations gave up. I think it was easier to give up then, because it was not of such a strategic importance as Israel is for U.S. power)
And it has been widely enough reported that Israel army and forces have used systematically torture against palestinians. Especially during the first (mostly peaceful) intifada. Human right organizations (Human right watch, B’tselem etc.) estimate there to be about 3-6 thousands of tortured palestinians per year. That’s quite a crime.
But your mission is to defend jews (which is not a bad thing itself, not at all) and you make a huge moral mistake to make it to defend the aggressive agenda of Israel government. I don’t see any proper reasoning and common sense in your attitudes.
So one guy is racist, it is hypocrisy if someone else is NOT racist?
If a country like Ukraine has some Nazi members of Parliament, it is hypocrisy to also have a Christian party? or a communist one?
Where will this stop? hypocrisy if a vegetarian’s partner enjoys a steak?
I am afraid this is a case of a typical Serbian islamophobia.
I am 100% Serbian and I fully support Palestinians and I am disgusted beyond belief with the behaviour of the Zionist entity.
Serbs tend to forget that it was not the Muslims who were bombing them back in 1999. but the Zionists.
I don*t know why, but it is the fact.
(The main reason why one of the few Saker Serbian blogs was shut down was precisely because of the islamophobia among the Serbian team members.)
The Zionists must be laughung loudly at the Serbs. But some of us didn*t buy their cunning propaganda. We are watching them carefully. And what we see is pure evil.
“Islamophobia”??? Obviously their propaganda worked on you too. Congnitive dissonance.
You are coming from a country that was under a bloody rule of muslims for almost six centuries, who almost converted and extincted our whole people. Then worked with Nazis to extinct our people. And just two decades ago we fought them again because they yet again wanted to destroy us, this time with western and Turkish/Iranian help and afghan Mujahedins. And then you can seriously talk about “islamophobia”? Come on man, wake up. Slap yourself in the face. There is no phobia there, just simple experience with Turks and recently with all those crazy imported and home-bred radical jihadists.
T2015 on June 30, 2015 · at 6:05 am UTC
“And just two decades ago we fought them (Muslims) again because they yet again wanted to destroy us, this time with western and Turkish/Iranian help and afghan Mujahedins. And then you can seriously talk about “islamophobia”? Come on man, wake up. Slap yourself in the face. There is no phobia there, just simple experience with Turks and recently with all those crazy imported and home-bred radical jihadists.
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You still don*t get it, do you?
Instead of answering to you, I will repost the answer which Saker gave to someone a week ago, (it was in the debate on the text of Bosnian Muslim who responded to Malic).
This is what Saker wrote, and this is why I have total respect for him and his blog :
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The Saker on June 23, 2015 · at 5:10 pm UTC
The Serbs were not attacked by “The Muslims”. They were attacked by the AngloZionists who *USED* Muslims for their purposes. That is very different from a religious attack by Muslims on Orthodox Christians.
The sad reality is that the AngloZionists successfully pitted Orthodox Christians and Muslims against each other, just as they are now pitting Shia and Sunni Muslims against each other or Russian and Ukrainians.
But yes, I would not call the war in Bosnia a “Muslim attack” on Serbs.
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That is our sad reality. I say sad, because of the Bosnian Muslims. They are the tool of AngloZionists and they do not see it. Also sad because us, the Serbs, because we do not see the AngloZionists, we just see the Muslims.
Well, not me!
I know who orchestrated the attack on the Serbs over Krajina, Republika Srpska and Kosovo. People like Peter Galbraith, Richard Holebrook, Madelain Albright, Wesley Clark, James Rubin, William Cohen, Ellie Wiesel, Bernard Henry-Levy, Alan Finkelkraut etc.
Do not forgive, do not forget.
As for the Muslims, as far as I remember, we beat the Muslims in war both in Bosnia and in Kosovo. But then the AngloZionists intervened and we lost the war to THEM (not the Muslims!).
Well then you’re deliberately choosing to be blind. Alija Izetbegovic was supporting Nazis as a youth and he was there in the 90’s to continue the work. He wasn’t imported, nor was his inner circle, nor the Albanians who fought on the muslim side in Bosnia. There were more than enough extremists right there from the get-go. Or do you think that the whole WW2 nazi heritage of the Handjar brigade just disappeared and those 50000+ domestic jihadists had zero children? Or all those albanian WW2-nazis that fought the yugoslav army almost till 1950 in Kosovo?
Those Afghan mujahedins were imported but only used when absolutely needed. The instructors from the Iran were there, instructors from Turkey were there. All well documented from various sound sources. But they did not do the fighting, the fighters were mostly domestic.
As for the weapons from Israel, just ask people from Pale/Sarajevo if you know any who were in the serbian army or lived there. It’s also entirely logical, being that “our” jihadists were trained by their enemies, the Iranians. Of course NATO later kicked the Iranians out of the game and transferred the OP over to Turkish and Arab handlers.
FWIW, I served in the army for over two years during the war and never saw a single Greek nor a Russian (although I knew there were some russian volunteers around).
I actually had quite a few muslim comrades fighting against the jihadists in the bosnian Serb army, I also know many muslims from Bihac who fought against Izetbegovic and supported the old Yugoslavia. So I’m by no means saying that ALL muslims are jihadists, quite the contrary – I’m saying that there is a certain percentage who definitely are and they will remain as aggressive as they always were. In that sense it’s stupid to talk about “Islamophobia”, there is just hard reality of genocide and treachury with that group throughout our history. It’s real fear, based on real suffering. That’s the point I’m trying to bring across.
@ Wend and T2015 regarding Serbian islamophobia.
Essentially you are both correct. Hostility toward Islam is present in Serbia. Sheikh Imran Hossein nicely explained Ottoman distortion of Islam. And Serbs were subjected for half a millennium to it. Imagine living under ISIS rule for 500 years. That Islam is the one we as Serbs mostly came in contact.
Phobia is fear. We are not afraid of Islam. We are wary of being in contact with perverted Islam. Because we remember how that looks like and see again rise of that same evil around the world. Despite that we forgave on numerous occasions and lived again with our muslim and other neighbours. That is our strength as people. Forgiveness. I often wondered how could someone forgive such atrocities. I still do…
Other side of the coin is that no one in Serbia is allowed to speak about Islam or Zionism. Erdogans flirting with Ottomanism and helping Wahabis in Bosnia fits perfectly the role of boogeyman. That situation is perfectly abused by Serbian current regime. Kosovo Albanians use perverted muslim identity also.
So you see, we are surrounded on all side with religious fundamentalism. From the west Catholic fundamentalism and from the east Islam fundamentalism. Being careful for those signs is something your or your closest ones life will almost certainly (just look 100 years back in history) depend upon at least once during your lifetime as a Serb.
Spreading awareness about Zionism and Wahabism is the key. Majority of the Serbs cannot comprehend Zionist machinations. After all Jews were killed along side with us and Gypsies. How can they now be new Nazi’s? Our poor countryman just cannot comprehend that. Serbian Academy of Science and Arts is destroyed after WWII and it was and still is their job to analyze,advise and formulate policies regarding Serbian ethnic and now national identity and future path. And people inside that institution are extremely anti-Serb oriented,save few. Add to it quisling government,media blockade,NGO’s,identity and history theft,…and you get the picture.
You are talking about same thing. Just a slight change of perspective will show that.
Za Boga miloga, Srbi,daj da se složimo,istrebljenje nam preti. In merciful God’s name, Serbs,let us find unity,we are facing extinction.
Dragan, you do not remember living under Ottoman rule., You cannot possibly be that old.
All you remember is stories you were taught as a child. How dreadful they were, how bad, what atrocities, what cruelties. Did they tell you how many times each item over that 500 years? did they explain how enough of you survived to still be here, if it was so bad?
Do you not know other nations also lived under the Ottomans for hundreds of years? and they do not have such a sick fear of Islam as a result? Or do you think they treated their other subjects differently?
But the horror stories are quite likely exaggerated. Single or occasional incidents blown up as the ONLY story you hear, so you don’t find out how few and far between they were. Nobody will tell you of the months or years of peaceful living in between. Normal times are never news, anywhere.
Look at Ukraine today, how the brainwashing goes even in real time,when they could still go outside and see for themselves. Multiply that by a few hundred years. Then understand you must FORGET.
You have anti-Serb foreigners with an agenda guiding your identity? writing the textbooks to brainwash the ext generation of children? GET OUT OF IT. The early history of your people is the same as the history of your neighbours because you were the same people. Others have also studied earliest settlements, earliest languages, early movements,early histories. Others have studied bones and DNA. Others from nearby places who have no agenda with or against Serbs, neutral people, who just happened to include you in their studies because they’re working in the same areas.
This is why I said, have this conversation with your fellows in English. That is the one language that unites ALL these studies. Unites them as academic disciplines, not as opportunities to falsify histories and brainwash people.
Why don’t all you various “yugoslavs” start by writing down briefly
1: your version of your nation’s first say 500 years. What you learned of where the people are from. where the language is from. Names, dates, places, maps. Checkable things.
2: ditto what you learned about the others. If “back then” you regard yourselves as the same people, write down when and why you separated. Just in a few lines. (example, we got the Turks they got the Austrians in year X).
Then we can begin with cross checking the similarities, the differences for the period when you all regarded yourselves one people. And our local archeologists and linguists and DNA experts will step in as well.
@ Dragan,
since you wrote:
“Majority of the Serbs cannot comprehend Zionist machinations. After all Jews were killed along side with us and Gypsies. How can they now be new Nazi’s? Our poor countryman just cannot comprehend that.”
I can see that you are a reasonable man.
I basically agree with you. We are surrounded. And we have to avoid divisions, because those damn divisions are like a cancer in recent Serbian history.
I believe that the role of Russia is the key for our future. They have to get that damn gas-pipeline to Serbia! If they do that, we have a future. We become again an important geostrategic state. Then we can solve our national problems.
Until then, I am afraid we are in a hopeless situation.
Pozdrav, i sve najbolje !!!
@ Wend
I am glad that we understand each other.
Russia’s role in our future is important. Unfortunately,Russia is not going to cleanse our government. We have to do it by ourselves. Working in our communities,standing for positive ideas,fostering cooperation,leading by example is all that is left to us now. Everything else is taken from us. But it will be enough in the end,have no fear.
Živ bio,ti i tvoji!
@ Kat Kan
If 500 years of occupation with “occasional” misuse of power is not enough for our ancestors to enter national remembrance hear what Sheikh Imran Hossein have to say about Ottoman Islam.
“Sick fear of Islam as a result”
We are wary of being in contact with perverted Islam. Because we remember how that looks like and see again rise of that same evil around the world. Despite that we forgave on numerous occasions and lived again with our muslim and other neighbours. That is our strength as people. Forgiveness. I often wondered how could someone forgive such atrocities. I still do… To this i would add that Israel’s crimes are not crimes of all Jews. Just like Wahabi and Ottoman crimes are not Muslim crimes. And USA and Germany’s crimes are not crimes of their people. Just as i am not responsible when Milosevic blocked Serbs across Drina in the 90’s. Although people here tend to equate these just as everywhere else.
About forgetting. I will quote here Mark Sleboda from Crosstalk:2..0 RIP post
“One of the most famous pieces of US propaganda: “It’s time to move on,forget the past.”
It’s time for accountability and acknowledgment of what has happened and holding people accountable before national and international law.”
I agree with you on history. But only institution in Serbia that has the capacity to do so officially is aforementioned Academy. Anything unofficial is dismissed if you are lucky. If you are not then you are demonised to the level that even your family must distance themselves from you from fear of not loosing job or not to get children harassed. People with the same idea to get to the mutual historical answers are rare on all sides. Even among Serbs it is very hard to agree on anything. Not impossible but very hard. Some call us stubborn,some call us independent spirits. Add to this that our national archives are still in Viena and Berlin,since occupation in WWI and II. Many secrets are still hidden in archives around the world. Even after so many years their publication is a tabu. Too many interest are still at stake. Take just gas lines of today for one example.
There is a fact that few of the ethnic or national groups suffered as much as Serbs in the last 100 years. Take just Balkan wars and WWI,~40% of male population died during that time. Only God knows how we survived. Not to mention Macva, Jasenovac, Gospic, Pag, Metajna, Jadovno, Prebilovci, Jastrebarsko,… Armenians,Kurds,Syrians and Palestinians come to mind as brothers in suffering.
Why are we so chosen? I do not know but we are. Those who are not, have difficulty believing these stories. I had also in the beginning. Sanitized by Tito’s regime i was thinking like you do now. That is impossible. Such thing are horrible to imagine even, let alone commit or Imagine-forgive. But to that i add another dimension. When you learn about all that and start believing your elders you see that monsters that did these horrible things are not only free but are respected members of the society to which you belong to.
And yet i do not loose hope.
Whoever wants war,may he find it in his home.
There is no such thing as “get out of it”. Can you “get out” of Merkel’s government in Germany as a German? Or get out” of neocon politics in the US as a US citizen?
Pray tell, how?
The government is fully controlled by foreign interests and already half-way in the EU, in every regard including austerity etc. Then they just recently sold half the country to Saudis and Qatar in another phoney “privatization” wave. And to top it off, the president took Tony Blair (who *bombed* his country just short time ago!) as an “advisor”. Just so you can realize the current degree of foreign control, it’s almost as strong as say in Germany. Utterly disgusting.
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“T2015 on June 29, 2015 · at 2:10 pm UTC
Oh, is it already time for another pro-Hamas PR-stunt?”
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Talking about twisting the history: it was Israel who founded Hamas! In order to discredit Fattah.
Check that out, before you critisize Hamas.
@ T2015 –
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Hamas is a Creation of Mossad
by Hassane Zerouky
Global Outlook, No 2, Summer 2002
http://www.globalresearch.ca 23 March 2004
Thanks to the Mossad, Israel’s “Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks”, the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat’s Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation
Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, “Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)”.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html
That is incorrect. Hamas initially splintered off from the british-made Muslim Brotherhood and is still a british pet. Yes there were some forces in Israel who took advantage of it for a while, but that’s far from “creating” it. Israel is a british-masonic colony just as well, so that’s divide and rule straight from the textbook.
Fatah were terrorists in the beginning just as well. Let’s not forget the (egyptian) Mufti of Jerusalem and later his heir (also egyptian) Arafat, not very “Palestinian” at all. Mufti himself was in Bosnia in WW2 and produced our home-bred jihadists that we had to fight recently and who now have a muslim state in Bosnia. That’s your “victims” right there. Don’t fall for that propaganda. Also PLO had three offices in Vatican back then, while Israel had none.
Also don’t forget that Israel was one of the few who helped us in the Bosnian war. Those you call zionists are the impostors of the so-called “British Israel” and the masonic and jesuit circles, not the actual semitic Jews.
I heard this several times here, that “Israel helped us in Bosnian war”. I never saw any evidence presented at all about this. I only remeber some Greeks and Russians helping us in that war.
But what I know for the fact is that i saw the photo of the Croatian fascist army marching into JASENOVAC on Israeli tanks in 1995.! It is not propaganda, I saw that photo!
For those who do not know, in Jasenovac concentration camp Croats butchered around 700 000 Serbs and 27 000 Jews in WW2.
Thata tells everything about the morality of the Zionists.
Serbs cannot comprehend those facts about Zionists because there was never Serbian-Jewish anymosity in history before the 1990 s.
Shall I tell you what I saw with my own eyes in Teslic?
“Our” serb local sold the muslims a tank along with ammo, exchanged for a truck full of cigarettes and some other wares. Then the muslims used that tank to fire back on the people who sold it to them.
I have no idea how those tanks arrived to Croatia, maybe it was via a third party, maybe these were bought before the war, there are many possibilities. Why do some NATO states still have the old sowiet weapons in use? You saw these being refurbished and used in Croatia, or nowadays in Syria or in Ukraine. Why do you think that those tanks are a different case? You may be right as well (Israel also has enough corrupt people who’d sell their mother for a profit), but I want to see some proof that these were sold directly to Croats, then and there during the ongoing war.
My best friend is actually from Teslic. I will ask him about what he knows. But he is very well aware about Zionist role in the demonization and bombing of the Serbian people in the 1990*s. We discovered those horrific facts together, while living in Denmark as refugees.
As for the proof that Israelis helped directly Croats in the war, I am sorry, I lost those documents while I was moving back to Serbia.
But I saw with my own eyes the Israeli stars of David on Croatian tanks during the operation “Flash” (Bljesak) in May 1995.
Now I was thinkg a bit about what you were saying, and came to the conclusion that it is possible that Israel was simultaniously supporting Croats in Krajina war and (if you are not lying to me!) Serbs in Bosnia war. Think from the Israeli point of view. They have Muslim enemies. But it is still appalling! Croats massacred the Jews! And still they supported them.
My mother*s family are Serbs from Knin. We suffered enormously in both WW2 and in the nineties from the hands of Croatian fascists.
The Serbs need to know about the Zionist “invisible” role during the 1990 s war.
Otherwise they will manipulate us into the new war again. They pretend that they support Dodik now, but I do not trust them a bit!
Only Russia can save us from new catastrophy. And I believe that will happen.
Just some more info on those weapons – it was discussed in the press back then too. It was also confirmed live on Israeli TV.
https://books.google.de/books?id=qf_kdcPZIJMC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=israeli+aid+to+bosnian+serbs&source=bl&ots=fVJktYXTEi&sig=aFCQRGJ_W0-kq_w5edv8q7GsZZs&hl=de&sa=X&ei=oaCSVfitJIGssgHk1rHQBA&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=israeli%20aid%20to%20bosnian%20serbs&f=false
Here are some excerpts, along with some croatian fascists accusing them for helping the Serbs:
http://www.newcombat.net/news_and_links/Israel%20arms%20Serbia.htm
Already posted comments on the official Dutch report from back then:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/22/warcrimes.comment
From the trial of Momcilo Perisic in Hague:
“The trial of the former chief of the VJ General Staff Momcilo Perisic continued with the evidence of Ivan Djokic, who was asked by the defense to draft an expert report on the logistic support in the Yugoslav Army from 1992 to 1998. Before his retirement, Djokic served as the assistant to the Chief of the VJ General Staff for logistics. He claims that ‘the titular owner of the entire military property’ was the FRY Ministry of Defense.
In his report, the defense expert pointed put to the various decisions of the Supreme Defense Council related to the logistical support for the Serbian Army of Krajina and the Republika Srpska Army. Djokic also analyzed the kind and scope of military assistance provided by FRY to the Serb armies in Bosnia and Croatia from 1992 to 1995.
In the part of the report focusing on the arms embargo covering the countries of the former Yugoslavia, Djokic noted that all the warring sides violated the prohibition imposed by the Security Council. According to the witness, the Bosnian Serbs got their weapons from ‘FRY, Israel, Russia and Ukraine’ and from ‘brokers who bought the weapons on the black market’.”
http://www.sense-agency.com/icty/who-armed-the-bosnian-serb-army.29.html?news_id=12210
Ok, T2015,
you presented some evidence that Israel did indeed support Bosnian Serbs.
Still, Israeli governement also supported bombing of Serbia-Montenegro in 1999. (Sharon was the lonely voice against that in Israeli governement.)
But that does not at all prove that the Zionists were Serbian allies in the 90s. At contrary, virtually ALL prominent Zionist Jews in the US and Europe were advocating a NATO attack on Belgrade since as early as 1991!
Just one example :
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In the 1990s, Lévy called for European and American intervention in the Bosnian War during the break-up of Yugoslavia after the fall of the Soviet Union. He spoke about the Serb POW camps which were holding Muslims. He referred to the Jewish experience in the Holocaust as providing a lesson that mass murder cannot be ignored by those in other nations.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard-Henri_L%C3%A9vy
Do you want more?
I can list countless powerful Zionist Jews who had absolutely crucial and leading role in the war against Serbian people. Just ask, and I will provide the documents.
As said, zionism is a british product or rather they usurped the original zionism (which fulfilled its goals by creating Israel). The brit “elites” fancy that they are the “lost 13th tribe”, while the idea to abuse Jews for “spreading of Empire” is as old as Cromwell at least.
That aside, same situation as with palestinian Arabs vs. Hamas, Fatah and co. – you have to differentiate between the Jewish people as a whole vs. their criminal elites and the european impostors serving the Brits and/or Vatican. The lack of that differentiation is what bothers me, there is a danger that you will buy into a lot of faulty nazi propaganda, or rather you have already. It is a thin line, you must be much more critical with your sources.
All nice but for one detail – most of those are not Jews to begin with. And those who are, are without exception deeply involved in masonic circles or are Jesuit agents (Shimon Peres was raised and trained by the Jesuits, for example). Rothschilds are Vatican Knights of Malta, see pics below. And so on, you will find all of them in some sort of lodges and cults.
Nathan Rothschild, notice the maltese cross: http://euro-med.dk/bil/nathanrotschild.jpg
Amschel, the same: http://euro-med.dk/bil/knight-of-malta-amschel-mayer-von-rothschild.jpg
Mayer Karl, the same: http://euro-med.dk/bil/mayercarlvonrothschild.jpg
Another vatican “order” called Hospitaller, even more obvious: http://redicecreations.com/ul_img/23715maltasion.jpg
Noticed that “sion” there?
A small taste about Israel’s presidents: http://lefemineforlife.blogspot.de/2008/05/freemason-israel-prime-ministers-1948.html
Quoting from there:
“”Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly stated (see the Israeli publication Shishi, Spring 1994) that he was initiated into the Masonic Lodge while in the United States. The La Republica newspaper stated that Prime Minister Yitzak Rabin was active in Masonry and estimated there are 4,000 Israeli Freemasons, divided into 76 lodges. Most Israeli judges and religious figures are Masons. Rothschild-supported Hebrew University in Israel has erected an Egyptian obelisk, symbol of Freemasonry, in its courtyard, and inside the new Israeli Supreme Court building is a law library architecturally designed in the shape of an Egyptian pyramid.”
“Former Israeli Premiers, Yitzhak Rabin, Shimon Peres and Benjamin Netanyahu all Freemasons. Rabin joined in the 1960s and led a major convention in Jerusalem in 1976. Netanyahu was recruited when Ambassador to the UN in the 1980s. The Jerusalem Post (11/94) affirms that Rabin and Peres were Masons, when they ran an advert, from “The Grand Lodge of the State of Israel,” to the Masons of Peace.””
And then you can find many masonic monuments all over Israel etc. including the courthouse and library in Jerusalem or the Pyramid in Eilat, just google it.
Also do bother googling and reading about the history of “British Israel” ideas, don’t let me serve you everything on a silver platter.
T2051,
are you serious? Are you actually saying that BHL is not Jewish ?! That lets say Wesley Clark or Richard Holebrook are not Jewish ?!
Get serious man.
As for masonry, their roots are Jewish, and their purpose is to promote the Jewish Supramacism. It has been like that since the begining of masonry. There were many serious studies about the subject. I am also not going to give serve you anything on the plate.Search for yourself.
Why do you think that first thing Nazis did in 1933. was to ban all free-masonry in Germany? Because of “the Vatican” ? Hitler was a Catholic, btw.
Don’t be laughable. Hitler was a mason himself and nazi symolics are mostly the same masonic symbols you should already know from usual places.
Hitler also lived in England in his younger years, where he got groomed for his role. He also had two british femaile “aides” for many years and was in love with a british girl. He was an agent of the Anglo-Empire until way into WW2, where he diverged and tried to pull his own thing off, thus had to be removed.
And again, those people for the most part are no jews. For fwck’s sake, look at them. Mostly blond, light-eyed, white aryan europeans, carrying “chrstian” insignia. Just the pictures above should be proof enough without any need for further discussion.
And again – all out political leaders are the same kind of traitors. Why do you think it is any different in Israel? You have a government of traitors in Yugoslavia, do they truly represent you or me? Would you call them Yugoslavs? They are about as Yugoslav as Henry-Levy is jewish, about zero.
T2015
Have you got any sources for those claims?
And sorry but I read heaps of works on esoterics, old religions, history including forbidden versions and on and on. I could easily write books about it, let alone that you could ever give me any new or useful information. Again, you have been lied to and you swallowed all of it without seriously proving it. I always bother proving the sources, because I’ve been often mislead myself. Thus I would recommend you to go back and try to find the original sources for all you have read. I can already tell you that you will have little success, at least regarding most of the recycled internet legends about Jews (or rather “Jews” in case of the mentioned circles).
T2015
You have yet to justify that arrogance with any reputable factual back-up.
And I think the Vatican also wrote the Old Testament, but they hid it in their well-known catacombs until the Council of Nicaea. They didn’t want anyone to know the truth.
There were duch theories FLOR, I already posted some stuff on that here, quoting myself:
“I read a book from 1902 where the linguistics of the supposedly greek writings got thoroughly analysed, along with many historical records, poetry, semantics etc. His conclusion was that they were all written in Italy during the Romanticism along with a complete re-write of what we know as the bible today.
The book is from Robert Baldauf and in original German it’s called “Historie und Kritik : Einige kritische Bemerkungen.”
https://archive.org/details/BaldaufHistorieUndKritikBd1DerMoenchVonStGallen
http://www.sinossevis.de/upload1/_EOD_Digitalisat_Historie_und_Kritik_Bd_1.pdf
Full: http://www.dl.yrotsih.com/books/b/Historie%20und%20Kritik.pdf
A very haeavy reading mind you, also lots of roiginal latin and greek in there and it was a real piece of work to chew through it, but it paid off IMO. I’m not yet quite sure what to conclude from it, but make your own opinion.
The guy was definitely real, there are proven copies of his immatriculation from the Basel university still kept in the archives.”
To the mods: No arrogance here at all, just statement of fact. I read more stuff on these topics then most people read in total in their life.
As for the infos mentioned I already backed it up above, in the links there is direct hard proof about Israeli presidents being mostly masons, all public stuff from the TV and newspapers. See quotes above. See pictures abo ve with those Knights of Malta crosses. See masonic monuments in Israel: https://www.google.de/search?q=masonic+monuments+in+israel&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=wqWTVenmOoL6ywP-_7igCQ&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=837
Etc. I provided more than enough to those with the eyes to see and who are interested in actual fact-finding instead of “whatever suits their POV”.
Shimon Peres history with Jesuits is extensively documented too. Here’s some more about that, just a random quick choice:
http://www.barrychamish.com/newsletters2012/Peres_Vatican1.html
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?27726-Shimon-Peres-is-a-Jesuit-Agent
http://doreenellenbelldotan.info/JesuitInfiltrationOfJudaismZionism.htm
This one is lovely, especially the pictures:
http://vaticanassassins.org/2009/12/16/queen-elizabeth-ii-knights-shimon-peres-both-serving-the-vatican/
What else did I mention – British Israel, which is common knowledge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
Happy now? I expect the other side of the discussion to produce some proof at least as credible, meaning at least info from real newspapers, TV or actual documents. I have provided more than enough and more than the normal politeness in a discussion could call for.
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P.S. one more thing – it is VERY one-sided here, you ask me for hard proof for pretty much everything I say, while my opponents in these discussion never provide ANY sort of proof for anything, ever. I am truly wondering why you never ask any of our nazis here to do the same, despite their often obviously crazy claims and often also including insulting language on top.
Might it be that it’s just because some of my info is uncomfortable or doesn’t fit the usual narrative? Think about that a little bit.
@T2015
The guy may be real, that doesn’t mean that what he writes is also real. Anybody can write a book or set up a website, that in itself is no guarantee re truth. There has to be more than that.
Like for instance – I am in the process of writing a book about the Orthodox Church, and I am talking to people who know it very well, am reading a lot of material from its beginnings until today and giving the sources, and so on. Lots of fun, but to be credible you also need to be truthful.
I forgot one point, about those Hitler-related claims. Here you go:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066155/Hitler-spent-months-living-Liverpool-flat-later-destroyed-Luftwaffe.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3961409/Hitlers-visit-to-London.html
Here he is with Winifred Willams, later Wagner, his biggest love:
http://www.reformation.org/winnie-and-wolf2.jpg
That’s from the Bayreuth Festival 1937.
Hitler’s brother Alois lived in the UK back then and also married a british woman named Bridget Dowling (later Hitler), that’s stuff from history books.
Here you have Bridget Dowling Hitler:
http://www.reformation.org/bridget-hitler.jpg
And her son, William Patrick Hitler:
http://www.reformation.org/william-patrick-hitler.jpg
“According to her Memoirs, Adolf came to visit the couple in Liverpool:
My brother-in-law Adolf remained with us from November 1912 until April 1913, and a less interesting or prepossessing house guest I cannot imagine. At first he remained in his room, sleeping or lying on the sofa he used as a bed most of the time. I had an idea that he was ill, his colour was so bad and his eyes looked so peculiar. I felt rather sorry for him in spite of what Alois had told me. When I washed his shirt–he had no luggage with him–the collar was so frayed and worn that it wasn’t even worth turning. I persuaded Alois to give him a few things, and as a matter of fact he wasn’t at all reluctant to do so. Indeed I think he would have been more than willing to help Adolf if the latter hadn’t been so unappreciative and difficult. Adolf took everything we did for granted and I’m sure would have remained indefinitely if he had had the slightest encouragement. (Bridget Hitler, Memoirs, p. 28).”
Here you have Hitler with Unity Mitford, another well-known british girl: http://www.reformation.org/unity-and-adolf.jpg
And so on… heaps more to talk about regarding the symbolics used by the nazis etc., where their financing came from, on and on. In the end, all roads lead to Londonium.
P.S. not supporting the articles where I linked this from, but they have the pics I needed. Take their articles with a grain of sand, they also have an agenda- There are enough other sources though, do bother googling if interested – I have better things to do then to feed public info to every Doubting Thomas with a spoon.
Hitler was a Mason and supported by Britain? Perez was a secret Jesuit? what else? let us look at your “sources”
the vaticanassassins site’s mission statement includes proving
* JFK was murdered on the orders of Cardinal Spellman
* 9/11 was ordered by New York archbishop Egan
They also offer American pre-14th Amendment citizenship (???) oxygen therapy clinics and pages of expensive other products; the site owners bio is blank, “to come”.
scam.com well now that is such a confidence inspiring site name. The claim that Perez is a Jesuit is from a poster on a discussion thread. Hardly solid evidence. Wikipedia says he lived in Poland to age 12, thereafter in Israel. Not many Jesuit schools there!
The third source offers a video in which supposedly “Seventhy [sic] Day Adventist confirms that the Jesuits infiltrated Judaism and the Zionist movement” without saying how he would have known.
The barrychamish site attributes the “Perez went to Jesuit school” to a line in an autobiography of Yitzhak Rabin — nothing about how he would have known or how nobody else seems to have known. He then goes on to “prove” Perez was a Vatican spy because he had talks with the Pope about the status of Jerusalem.
And then you have a link for Hitler, aged 23, lying around unemployed and depressed on somebody’s couch in London, bludging on them for flood and clothing, and this somehow proves the British paid him to do what he did later???? to say nothing of not proving he was a Mason.
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I have several unused parked websites. I could fill them up with all sorts of pure invention and out of context images. You could then quote them. Would that make that material true?
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When we talk “SOURCES” we talk about something reliable
* at the very least having been in a position to find out what they are claiming
* going back to (provided) original sources, not just quoting someone else quoting someone else
* not having a visible bias or agenda
* similar information available from other unrelated sources as well — an obscure blogger being in sole possession of vital information is very unlikely, nobody else involved in the topic having even commented on it even less likely.
Now you’re openly proving you’re a demagogue. I explicitly stated at the end of the last post above that I don’t support all the sources and their interpretations, but just took the pictures and links from there. You are using the usual fallacy tactics of attacking the middle-man and diverting the discussion away from the actual content to some useless technicalities
Click those links, check the provable sources I mentioned – newspapers, TV etc. All still available and if not, a little e-mail to the paper will usually get you a copy of the original article/ad. There are also repositories of news articles online, I used to use Lexis-Nexis to search for archived articles.
I won’t bother yet again going through all the points, since you obviously are not even remotely interested in any serious discussion but only in useless polemics. Give me a serious counter on those interviews and articles from actual papers/TV mentioned above, then we can talk further.
@T2015,
Oh is it already time for another hasbara Pro- Israel PR( Hasbara) stunt?
There is no doubt there are Swedes that are racists. Many Caucasians are all over the world. However,in Sweden, minorities do not live in the biggest opened prison in the planet like the poor Palestinians live under the violent and sick country that Israel is. Israeli- Jews in general are known to be rude, extremely racist, condescending and obnoxious.
Nor do the Swedes kill non- Swedes children and elderly like Israel does, daily. Nor do the Swedes spit on Muslims clerics , like Israelis spit on Christian priests daily ( see : “Christians want Jews to stop sptting on them” article in the Israeli- Jewish newspaper ” Ha’aretz”).
No stunts here, it’s just a huge display of hypocrisy of the worst sort.
As for the situation in Sweden, there is no real comparison. You’d have to move several mio. arabs to Sweden to have a real comparison.
You will not gain any friends by suggesting that patriotic Swedes should allow total demographic annihilation of their country. We should develop an equal and just global economic system which enables everyone to live well in their own homeland, not sacrifice entire nations and peoples in the process, which is a very short-term and pyrhhic approach.
So piracy on the high seas is acceptable.
No humanitarian problem in Gaza as they let in as manly trucks of food as the merchants can buy. OK. What do people buy it with? what of the people who cannot buy any? what pensions or jobs do the people have?
I think there might be less piracy if some Russian or Chinese warship, that just happened to be around, went a bit closer out of plain curiosity to see what’s going on.
“National Geographic” http://tinyurl.com/ngkws9u
The U.S. Navy takes a strong stand against piracy, and is part of an international task force dedicated to the issue. Combined Task Force 151 (CTF-151) includes sophisticated monitoring of the world’s oceans by both ships and aircraft.
Sooo where was the US Navy? They are paid by us to protect the seas.
They knew ahead of time that this piracy would happen.
The Swedish embassy should be on this so that these flotilla activists are not abused in Israeli custody. Hopefully RT stays close to this story.
comment removed by the Saker because it used CAPS in violation of rules.
I’m used to your pro-Zionist hasbara.But you can at least feel good about yourself,it is good propaganda.If anyone didn’t know about the historical situation (most of the 7 billion) they might fall for your BS.
This comment is using CAPS which I consider screaming and the mods should have removed it. I will do that myself.
The Saker
I went through the main Swedish newspapers in the internet. They write about the Gaza but not on their main most exposed pages. I had to look for it via the search motor of respective newspaper. Its written in a rather neutral way hardly condemning the Israelis. As contrast the same newspapers write any negative comments and condemn Putin for whatever nonsense. BTW the Swedish MSM is practically controlled by only one family called Bonnier. Sweden has become practically subjugated by the US/NATO/EU mafia, it has no longer an independent voice.
Here is the answer to your unspoken question from Wikipedia.The same answer is true for much of the West’s MSM:
“The Bonnier family is a Swedish family of Jewish origin, who since the beginning of the 19th century has been active in the book industry and later also in the mass media industry. They own the media group Bonnier Group, which has 175 companies in 18 countries.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family
Poor Palestine! She is almost friendless throughout the World.For almost 70 years now her people have lived in oppression,with no sign of liberation coming.There is no such thing as “Arab unity”,no “Arab World solidarity,no “Muslim World solidarity” that is just a fantasy for fools to believe.The Palestinians, 15% Christian, are spit on by all the so-called Christian countries.The 85% of Palestinians who are Muslim,almost all Sunni, are spit on by every Sunni state.The only Muslims that seem to care at all about Palestine are ironically the Shia states.And yet almost no Palestinians are Shia.The US is owned by the pro-Israelis,both Christian and Jewish.Europe is the same,with a few (probably mostly the non-religious ones) people in Europe supporting them.But not a single government (the new “recognition” of Palestine by a few governments is worthless) supports them.And the so-called Arab and Muslim states give lip-service only to support them.The Israelis run an occupation over 4-5 million people.That except for the “Final Solution” nazi treatment of Jews during WWII, surpasses the nazi treatment of Jews during the 1930’s.And yet the World stands even more silent than they do over the Donbass (that is saying something).Even Russia is not really supportive.There are too many special interests between Russia and Israel for them to speak out.Its not a surprise that some Palestinians turn to extremism.Its a surprise that so few do.They are literally forced to turn to the only groups that actually pledge to side with them.The PLO had always hoped to get political help from either the West or the East or both.And so they were moderates and secular (by standards of that region).But no one gave them that help.And now you see people turning to groups like Hamas out of sheer frustration.This latest incident will be meaningless.The Israelis will get away with actual piracy on the high seas.From the map shown the flotilla was far into international waters.Yet the Israelis seize control of foreign ships and the governments whose citizens own those ships are silent.The Israelis are allowed to lie with ease about conditions in Gaza.And no governments call them to order over that.I have American friends in Gaza that tell what conditions are like there.Its Donbass,without an NAF to protect them.And without a Russia to help them.The Israeli plan is slow ethnic and cultural genocide in Palestine and the World does nothing to stop it.Even more ironic is that many people that do complain about this don’t care anything for Palestine or Palestinians,they just hate Jews.If anyone else was committing those crimes they wouldn’t care at all.How sick is that that those people care more than the majority of so-called “decent people” Worldwide.
Actually there is one place in the world which reminds of Palestine. It is Tibet. It is also utterly hopeless.
Very funny.
What the hell is so funny , alan ???!!!!
Do you know what kind of horrors are taking place in Chinese occupied Tibet to this day ?
Do you know that people are dying? Do you know that Tibetan people are burning themselves to death?
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Self-immolation protests in Tibet
Since March 2011, more than 130 people are known to have set themselves on fire inside Tibet in protest against the repressive Chinese occupation of Tibet.
Self-immolation protests have become less frequent in 2013 and 2014 but these and other protests are taking place over a widening area of Tibet. Some Tibetans have also set themselves alight outside Tibet and China.
Although many monks and nuns have set themselves alight, most self-immolation protesters were not from religious institutions. They include teachers, students and herdsmen, as well as mothers and fathers.
The youngest was just 15 years old.
http://freetibet.org/news-media/na/full-list-self-immolations-tibet
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You can see the faces of this people who died for freedom of Tibet on the link I posted. 5 set themselves on fire ONLY since March this year !!!
Free Tibet!
Free Palestine!
Don*t be hypocrites! We do not want to replace the Zionist world-regime with Chinese terror.
They have nuns in Tibet ?
Tibet under Lama dictatorship was worse then Saudi Arabia. They not only gouged out people’s eyes or cut off hands for smallest theft, they also skinned people alive etc. Totally medieval feudal sort of backwards society.
Besides that they were and still are the best friends of nazis and the Lama stole all the countries reserves as he fled the country back then.
All that aside, Tibetans are Chinese, it’s that simple. There can be no such thing as an “occupation” there, that is a purely british concoction from the colonial days.
Please provide some links, that you (personally) think give credible information about what you write here
Oh, so yet again you single me out as the only one here who HAS to provide proof, LMAO. Won’t you ever get tired of such one-sided practices?
An extensive site on that topic (in german) with loads of rare info:
http://www.gottkoenig.de/
Random links to get you going:
http://info-buddhism.com/Nazis-of-Tibet-A-Twentieth-Century-Myth_Engelhardt.html
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
http://zenbuddhism.tribe.net/thread/4597a19e-c253-4589-acf7-9f8a98965c2d
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Dalai-Lama-is-a-Nazi-fascist-cult-leader/168876383133688
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/09/01/18/tibet-fascist-occultism-and-it%E2%80%99s-close-relationship-buddhist-tantrism-victor-victor
More in german:
http://www.trimondi.de/Lamaismus/Krieg-4-CIA.htm
https://de-de.facebook.com/notes/horst-d-deckert/die-wahrheit-%C3%BCber-den-dalai-lama-kindersch%C3%A4nder-und-vergewaltiger-folter-sex-und/10151107516810974
https://thinktankboy.wordpress.com/f-rubriken/tibet-und-der-dalai-lama/
https://books.google.de/books?id=safbN5U-Tp4C&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=tibet+lamas+h%C3%A4nde+abhacken&source=bl&ots=LgTtIrOct4&sig=yBzno9T3hA89IEXpvobavA2mOBU&hl=de&sa=X&ei=fBOVVfHBJ4K_ygPMvrDoBA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=tibet%20lamas%20h%C3%A4nde%20abhacken&f=false
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Now I expect his supporters to post stuff that would counter this.
A serious question to the commenting mod: do you seriously believe that the western media and the cartel of criminals would push him so much and invite him to every talk show, have him in every major mag and give him nobel prizes etc. if he was ANY sort of genuine freedom fighter or opposition to the system?
He is just a tool used to compromise china, just like your Ukronazis or ISISQaidans, just like any other group of tools in recent history (probably also in older history that we could not witness).
Another good blog on that topic:
http://www.gurdjieff-con.net/?s=buddhism+fascism
T2015 please don’t post links to German blogs on an English site. Are there no English materials to prove what you are saying? and please don’t post blogs which are blatantly anti-lama (and therefore, like all propaganda, may be exaggerating or outright inventing things).
You stated:
“Tibet under Lama dictatorship was worse then Saudi Arabia. They not only gouged out people’s eyes or cut off hands for smallest theft, they also skinned people alive etc. Totally medieval feudal sort of backwards society.”
THAT is what you were asked to provide some EVIDENCE for. That would be photographs, eye-witness statements etc. not claims in biased blogs quoting unnamed persons or persons whose access to the original information is not explained. Colonel Blimp or Author John Smith said….??? where did THEY get it from? where did they SAY they got it from? or did they just say it?
Everything and its opposite has been written on the internet somewhere. We are not asking you to produce some writing about things. We are asking you to produce credible evidence — and that means information that can be traced back to its source.
* who said it and how their existence can be verified
* how were they in a position to see what they’re claiming
* if they only heard it, how did they verify bona fides of the person they heard it from
Again – stop being a demagogue. There are loads of real info and links and even pics on some of those sites, which you couldn’t have even began to view within mere two hours since I posted it, let alone read or prove it and give a qualified opinion.
Since the question was “where do I have infos about lamas being bad” as I understood it, that is what I answered. But it’s funny that you feel compelled to translate english into english for me, LMAO xD
I gave hints and basic infos, an interested researcher will bother to look deeper, prove/disprove stuff etc.
Also noone has problems with german and can use the usual tools to translate it, just like you are translating russian news from some links here.
But you are certainly not some kind of judge here nor does it make sense to post stuff like the above post of yours, unless you just want to stir discontent. It contains exactly zero arguments on topic and zero useful content, it only serves your usual polemics.
Can you provide something to support your views? Where is the proof that Tibet was the thriving paradise of freedom and democracy and flowers during the time of Lamas? Do you even know how Tiobet came into being to begin with? I am open for real arguments, but please provide at least SOMETHING except your usual mantra of “all that T2015 says is bullshit”, that doesn’t do anything useful at all.
Since you are such a critical reader and want to check sources and proof, here’s a bunch for you. Happy reading and we’re looking forward to your qualified report after you’re done with the literature.
Ahmad, Zahiruddin: China and Tibet 1708-1959: A Resume of Facts. Oxford, 1960
Beyer, Stephen: The Cult of Tara: Magic and Ritual in Tibet. Berkeley, 1978.
Bishop, Peter: The Myth of Shangrila: Tibet, Travel writing and Western creation of sacred landscape. London, 1989.
Bishop, Peter: Dreams of Power: Tibetan Buddhism in the Western Imagination. London, 1993.
Conboy, Kenneth/Morrison, James: The CIA’s Secret War in Tibet. Lawrence, 2002.
Cox, Harvey: Licht aus Asien: Verheißung und Versuchung östlicher Religiosität. Stuttgart, 1977.
Curren, Erik: Buddha’s Not Smiling: Uncovering Corruption at the Heart of Tibetan Buddhism Today. Buena Vista, 2005.
Fraure, Bernard: Sexualité Buddhique: Ente désirs and réalités. Aix en Provence, 1994.
Gelder, Stuart/Gelder, Roma: Timely Rain: Travels in New Tibet. London, 1964. (deutsch: Visum für Tibet. Düsseldorf, 1965)
Gerner, Manfred: Schneeland Tibet. Frankfurt/Main, 1981.
Goldstein, Melvyn: A History of Modern Tibet 1913-1951: The Demise of the Lamaist State. Berkeley, 1989.
Goldstein, Melvyn: The Snow Lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet and the Dalai Lama. Berkeley, 1997.
Goldstein, Melvyn et al.: The Struggle for Modern Tibet. New York, 1997.
Grunfeld, Tom: The Making of Modern Tibet. New York, 1996.
Han Suyin: Wind in the Tower. London, 1976.
(deutsch: Der Flug des Drachen: Mao Tse-Tung und die chinesische Revolution. München, 1982)
Han Suyin: Lhasa, the Open City: A Journey to Tibet. London, 1977. deutsch: Chinas Sonne über Lhasa: Das neue Tibet unter Pekings Herrschaft. Bern, 1978.
Hsin Mao (Hrsg.): Great Changes in Tibet. Beijing, 1972.
Juergensmeyer, Mark: Terror in the Mind of God. Berkeley, 2000.
Karan, Pradyumna: Changing Face of Tibet. Lexington, 1982.
Lehner, Gerald: Zwischen Hitler und Himalaya: Die Gedächtnislücken des Heinrich Harrer. Wien, 2007.
Paul, Diana: Die Frau im Buddhismus: Das Bild des Weiblichen in Geschichten und Legenden. Hamburg, 1981.
Schmitz, Gerald: Tibet und das Selbstbestimmungsrecht der Völker. Berlin, 1998.
Schulemann, Günther: Die Geschichte der Dalai Lamas. Leipzig, 1958.
Senanayake, Ratne Deshapriya: Inside Story of Tibet. Colombo, 1967.
(deutsch: Tibet 1959. München, 1993)
Shaw, Miranda: Passionate Enlightenment: Women in Tantric Buddhism. Princeton, 1994.
Sierksma, Fokke.: Tibet’s Terrifying Deities: Sex and Aggression in Religious Acculturation. The Hague, 1966.
Snellgrove, David: Indo-Tibetan Buddhism: Indian Buddhism and their Tibetan Successors. Vol 1/2. Boston, 1987.
Trimondi, Victor/Trimondi Victoria: Hitler – Buddha – Krishna: Eine unheilige Allianz vom Dritten Reich bis heute. Wien, 2002.
Wang, Jiawei/Gyiancain, Nyima: The Historical Status of China’s Tibet. Beijing, 1997.
Zheng Shan: A History of Development of Tibet. Beijing, 2000.
but…but…but… the holocaust!!!1!
Lol true. The problem is when they scream up and down about the Holocaust they never mention nor include in their compassion the millions of Non- Jews that horribly died, were tortured, raped ,ect.
Regards,
Carmel by the Sea
It is becoming increasingly more difficult to avoid being not not just anti-Israel and anti-zionist, but anti-semitic, considering how little activism there is to eliminate the terrorist state of Israel, and group all the Jews together as monsters. I have to keep reminding myself of all the Jews which oppose this gangsterism (much as I have to remind myself that not all Americans are not idiots and terrorists). It becomes tiring.
If some diastrophic event occurred in which the core area of Israel just sank into the sea, perhaps a nice strip of water from Tel Aviv to the Dead Sea, I really can’t say I would be all that upset about it, but would feel somewhat a sense of relief, and some gratification as when Sharon went dead.
(About the same if the Potomac swallowed Washington DC.)
What else to say of it? They are evil, murderous demons.
I know how you feel.But really some of the best ( of the few) supporters of Palestine are Jews,including some Israeli Jews.If it wasn’t for them we wouldn’t understand some of the Zionists worst crimes.I’m always pleased to see them supporting Palestine.They have to give up more,and suffer much abuse from their peers because of it.Yet their feelings for common humanity forces them to suffer that.To stand up to Zionism in any country takes courage.But to stand up against them as a Jew,let alone an Israeli Jew,takes a special douse of courage.
@ Uncle Bob,
I thought exactly as you do, once. I speak of the anti- Zionist Jews. Then the Israeli born ex- Jew (he calls himself that) Gilad Atzmon cleared it all up for me. There are quite a few youtube videos of him explaning it. And of course, his blog is another great source for understanding.
Carmel by the Sea
G’day Carmel,
Arguably, Judaism is an ideology NOT a racial characteristic. Accordingly, being born of Jewish parents or having Jewish antecedents does NOT make you a Jew. You choose to be a Jew (or not) according to how you live. So anyone who genuinely rejects the Talmudic treatment of Palestinians and others, is not a Jew!
Arguably though, Gilad Atzmon is a gatekeeper for the Jews.
Jews seek to control ALL sides of every important issue. Atzmon may SAY he is an ex-Jew (ie NOT a Jew) but “by their fruits you shall know them”. Atzmon slyly peddles the Holocaust Blood Libel of the German nation which, together with Jewish banksters’ money creation and usury banking, is the cornerstone of current Jewish global power. Atzmon not only indirectly peddles the Holocaust myth but he goes further and blames Germans for the slow motion genocide of Palestinians by Jews. Accordingly Atzmon is a Jew. See eg: Gilad Atzmon on German Guilt and Multiculturalism.mp4 -: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Ron_71/Gilad-Atzmon-on-German-Guilt-and-Multiculturalism-mp4.shtml
And: Jew propaganda: Gilad Atzmon continues to Blame the German nation for Israel’s genociding of Palestinians. – http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Jew-propaganda-Gilad-Atzmon-continues-to-Blame-the-German-nation-for-Israel-s-genociding-of-Palestinians.shtml
To understand how Jews can be sooo subtly rabbinical, have a look at the Kol Nidrei which is The Jews’ most popular (pseudo) religious ritual. See eg: Kol Nidre – Judaism’s License To Lie – http://abundanthope.net/pages/True_US_History_108/Kol-Nidre—Judaism-s-License-To-Lie.shtml
And: Tough to Put the Kibosh on Kol Nidre – http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Tough-to-Put-the-Kibosh-on-Kol-Nidre.shtml
And: Kaparot and Yom Kippur: Voodoo and Perjury in Judaism – http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_Information_43/Kaparot-and-Yom-Kippur-Voodoo-and-Perjury-in-Judaism.shtml
When considering anything Atzmon or any other Jew says, keep the Kol Nidrei in mind.
Peace and Blessings,
Ron
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I would take that site with a BIG grain of salt.
Who do they think they are, to “KNOW” what another people THINK, better than those people do themselves? who do they think they are? Kol Nidrei is a Jewish prayer, THEY get to determine what it means, not an outsider, especially not someone who is clearly trying to make them look bad.
You can always find something about anybody that you can twist to “mean” what you want it to, to hit them on the head with it. That does not prove that is the real meaning It just proves you want to hit them on the head.
That site is anti-semitic and openly so. I am almost surprised the mods let you post it.
This article is about what was done by the State of Israel, a nation state; the religion of its majority inhabitants is irrelevant in this context. Your attempt to totally discount all comments by a particular person because an anti-semitic site claims to “know best” about some other religion’s prayers is nonsense and also anti-semitic. Gilad Atzmon has as much right as everyone else to his free speech and not be called a liar by YOU on this basis.
Take it with a grain of salt? Who do we think we are?
What if Gilad Atzmon IS a liar? And what if he is a liar, because his religion gives him a “green light” to lie? Why should we ignore this mechanism? Why should we trust him. Why should we trust a Jew over anybody else??
Why should we trust anyone who adheres to a religion, that provides a mechanism to lie without consequence? Whats wrong with someone calling someone a liar? Maybe someone is a liar.
Last but not least, how do you think Kol Nidrei prayer should be interpreted? What do you think it means? What do you think it is used for? Why do you think it exists?
I’ll be surprised if you answer even one of my questions honestly, I’ll be delighted if you answer them all honestly.
People have rights to free speech, calling someone a liar is part of having a right to free speech, don’t you understand?
I can say whatever I like, that doesn’t make it truth or lies by default. If someone calls me a liar, they are entitled to that opinion. Why should a Jew who I think is a liar have more rights than me? Why should Atzmon be able to say whatever he wants and not be criticized? Surely if he has the right to free speech, then so does the guy who wants to call him a liar.
How can you not see that is fair? Don’t you like things being fair?
Shane !!! if by chance you’re new here…we have a policy of no racism here at Saker’s…beware….
Your free speech on this site is limited by
/moderation-policy/
which includes a clause against racism.
What if Gilad Atzmon IS a liar? And what if he is a liar, because his religion gives him a “green light” to lie? Why should we ignore this mechanism? Why should we trust him. Why should we trust a Jew over anybody else??
Why should we trust anyone who adheres to a religion, that provides a mechanism to lie without consequence
You cannot claim to define another person better than he can define himself. It is paranoid ideation to believe you “know” what someone else thinks or feels better than they themselves know it. If you believe somebody is lying, you are free to produce EVIDENCE for it. You are not free, morally or on this site, to claim racist or anti-semitic allegations as “evidence”.
Atzmon says he is an “ex-Jew” ie does no longer follows the religion. You and your friend above claim he DOES follow it. I say that is something he knows and you do not.
You and your friend claim there is a prayer which lets Jews get away with lying. Even according to the website she showed as “evidence” Jews are quoted as saying this is NOT SO, the prayer applies only to vows or oaths made to God…sworn oaths, not ordinary speech. I say all religions know the meaning of their prayers better than people of any other religion can know.
The website you both seem to believe in this matter is seriously anti-semitic. It has numerous pages “explaining” various things about the Jewish religion in mocking tones. It is some kind of vaguely religious site seemingly run by someone who believes him/herself to be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. A bit of telepathic services and serious fundraising thrown in.
So you are calling Atzmon a liar on the grounds that he is a religious Jew (when he says he is not) and Jews have a prayer which lets them lie with impunity (which they say they have not) based on the claims of a website that also claims to be run by Jesus himself but has to beg for money to buy a new car.
And you call this being fair??
Last but not least, how do you think Kol Nidrei prayer should be interpreted?
It is not for me to interpret or guess at the origins of the prayers of some other religion. I have no reason to doubt their own explanations of it, on the safe assumption that they would know more about it than anyone else, because it is theirs.
PS: don’t be tempted to protest “But he IS Jewish, he’s just lying to say he’s not because he is and all Jews lie because of this prayer so he’s just lying about not being…..” or anything along those twisted circular lines. Don’t try it: the mods won’t like it.
There is a big disconnect with me as to what Zionists do to further what they consider their nationalism.And the Jewish people and religion.That is sadly, not always so with many people around.Its like hating all Germans because of WWI and WWII with Hitler.Or hating all Ukrainians because of the Bandera and fascist junta.Its also the same as the Poles hating the Russians because of Stalin.I’m not Jewish,but that doesn’t mean I should hate people that are.If anyone should hate them its Palestinians.And yet many Palestinians are happy and grateful that Jewish peace activists are willing to risk their careers,families scorn,and sometimes their lives to side with them.If they can feel that way,who are others to not.
G’day Kat Kan
Thanks for your point of view.
Ad hominem is not an argument.
Nor is labelling someone or a web site as “anti-semitic”
[Sorry, but no holocaust denial, allied war crimes, Jewish lies, rethinking Hitler etc spread over 23 links to your site, looks like spamming us with Nazi propaganda. We’re heard it all before and not interested in more. – vineyard mod me]
Peace and Blessings,
Ron
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….by the way his music is good too….
Yeah, I know, but the stuff wears me down sometimes and I just want to live in a world of pink bunnies and kittens and rainbows and butterflies. (Or I want to hurl lightning bolts at the demons and smite the fascists with a fiery sword.) It’s hard to even imagine how it would be to be living in these hells under these monsters. Boggles the mind, and soul.
It’s also hard to be surrounded by zombies who ignore it and are willfully ignorant, or don’t care, or even support it. Also the corporate state press with it’s constant propaganda and lies, which is as evil as the governments and troops doing this stuff.
Blue, remember Howard Zinn…the greatest Jew that lived…one of them anyway.
And Chomsky, the other great gatekeeper alive.
Almost every conflict, war, civil war, false flags operations and all the destruction around the world, you’ll find CIA and MOSSAD behind them!
The believers will not go down without a fight. We will not bow down to their false messiah (Antichrist). You can bomb us all you want, we only bow and prostrate to the Creator.
I usually think of the coyote/trickster archetype from myths and folklore. Given human nature, it is reasonable to assume that there is someone egging stuff on pulling strings– maube what St. Paul called the “principalities and powers.”
It’s unfortunate that evil exists!
Thanks!
Oh, c’mon! According to the NYT, WaPo and LAT, the Apartheid State ‘diverted the ship… cough, cough… peacefully‘ to an Apartheid State’s harbor…
“Hey, Abe! Wanna play a few rounds of Goy AS?”
“Escorted” the ship sould more accurately be described as Piracy and kidnapping.
Escorts are for prom dances.
Israhell coddled even by RT. I remember when Bobo complained to Putin about RT’s coverage of Israhell as being to critical.
Apparently, Problem solved.
Sowing seeds of future violence in the USA:
http://sputniknews.com/us/20150629/1024001737.html
very interesting show…horrible about the 9 activists killed on Turkish ships in 2011…didn’t know that….I couldn’t even watch that Israeli spokesperson….the walking dead….is what he looked and talked like…couldn’t watch it….
Those people were not really “activists”. IHH that ran the show is a terrorist-sponsoring “NGO” that was also involved in arms-smuggling for the jihadists in bosnia. The whole thing was a trick to break the naval blockade in general so they can later deliver weapons to Gaza etc., that flotilla was just a tool to promote it.
“According to the scan from the CIA document (which again, is at the bottom of this page), the IHH Sarajevo office worked closely with the clerical fascist regime in Iran (IR). The IR played a major role in Yugoslavia, helping to supply and coordinate the importation of military supplies and mujahedeen for the Izetbegovic ‘government’ and advising Izetbegovic, and cozying up to the Milosevic government in Belgrade, influencing Milosevic against the Bosnian and Krajina Serbs. And today the IHH is in the IR orbit, witness the facts that a) Hamas, benefactor of the Gaza flotilla, is an IR protégé, and b) Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan, who sponsored the flotilla, is an IR ally. ”
More info: http://tenc.net/doc-thoughts.htm
You know T2015, what a purported CIA document said in 1996 doesn’t really mean some organisation with similar name today is the same organisation or involved in the same activities. I say “purported” because the photocopy is too small to be really legible and nowhere seems to indicate it is in fact from the CIA. And further, since when do we believe the CIA? just when it suits us is that it?
The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center which posted that report wouldn’t happen to be the one run by the Israel military would it? and we believe THEM in all matters pertaining to anything to do with Muslims, do we?
Can you not see that is like accepting Ukrainian Government and US State Department statements about the Novorossiyans as being gospel truth. Ahem… they’re on OPPOSITE SIDES to the point of having a shooting war about it. So how does that make them reliable experts on what the other side knows or does or thinks?
Now, the story according to these Zionist sources is that this NGO supported the Bosnians with aid and weapons and the Bosnians were terrorists. You seem to be stating that they now have similar intentions vis a vis Gaza. Are you saying that you believe the Gazans to be terrorists? and that their civilians are not deserving of humanitarian aid like food and blankets because of a suspicion they may later get arms?
And has it not been determined that it is the USA that chiefly creates terrorists organisations, plays on people’s minor differences to inflame them, and uses 3rd and 4th parties to supply them with arms? can you be sure they were not the ones supplying weapons, and blaming it on this group to prevent food aid getting through?
Do you also believe the people of Donbass to be terrorists? do you regard the Russian White Convoys to be secret arms deliveries? do you regard it acceptable that their villages are being shelled to dust with them inside?
Are you capable and willing to judge each case on its merits? or from one experience — admittedly a horrifying one but just the one all the same — you see “Muslim” and immediately think “all terrorists” thereby demonising 1.6 billion people in dozens of countries?
And then, how does any of this justify what was by law a PIRATE action in international waters? taken by a State against civilian nationals of other States?
I am sorry if that is a lot of questions, T2015, but we need to know where you stand on all these issues, after such a long time appearing to be sympathetic to our Russian friends (Old and New).
KK, just my 2cents, people of Donbass are in the same predicament as were people of Israel when they declared independence, so I support both and believe that Ukrainians and Arabs should stop to be obtuse and recognise rights of state of Novorossyia and Israel to exist.
“people of Donbass are in the same predicament as were people of Israel when they declared independence, so I support both and believe that Ukrainians and Arabs should stop to be obtuse and recognise rights of state of Novorossyia and Israel to exist.”
Comparing Novorussia to Israel is one of the most absurd and repulsive comparisons I’ve come across from zionists trying to improve the negative image of Israel (IE: hasbara).
Did the Novorussians all of a sudden start moving to the eastern part of the Ukraine to establish their own country?
Did the Novorussians drive out the local inhabitants with terrorism, mass murder and the razing of their villages and towns? And then “historically” erase the existence of these people in their “origin myths”?
Do the Novorussians separate people because of religion and have different laws, infrastructure and rights for these groups?
Israel is far more like the present day Ukrainian freakshow than Novorussia and bears very little resemblance to Novorussia.
But it’s good that benjamin has finally come out of his zionist closet. Honesty is always the best way… ;D
I suppose that comparison of Bandera and Haj Amin al-Husseini in relation to German nazis would irritate ziophobes as well despite or may be because of factual evidence. Right?
Israel has one of the best armies in the world. Do you really think it’s comparable to Donbass?
You know where I stand on these things, as mentioned above and many times before – both Hamas and the Israeli leadership are puppets of the west used to divide and conquer, while both Arabs and Jews (the little people) suffer under them.
That aside, the flotilla issue is quite clear. I described it above, no need to repeat – it was just a propaganda tool to break the blockade. There is further material besides that article, that was just to get you going. If you are interested in real research that is.
I will never give any legitimacy to Hamas, nor even to Arafat and his egyptian fascist goons. And please separate these from the rest of the people in arab areas, I’m strictly talking about the terrorists from these organizations and not the common arab-palestinian people, who also get abused and also murdered by their own terrorists regularly.
This is meant to display the other side of the argument and to broaden the view. Especially so since the discussions here are full of “automatic” anti-Israel sentiments with “Jews” being to blame for everything including ice and snow and the “Palestinians” are just some poor victims (completely forgetting their history of terrorism and nazi support, as well as the huge immigration from neighboring arab countries over the last two centuries). The picture painted here in usual discussions is simply very far from reality and you need to be able to understand why the Israelis act like they do in order to discuss these issues seriously.
Saker, why the hell are you and the moderators allowing “hasbra trolls” to hijack the blog’s comment section?
And please dont tell me anything about allowing “……freedom of speech etc”.
These are the same folks who are adroitly manouvering to criminalise all and any criticism of Israel and its actions…….Please do not facilitate them here. Let them be satisfied with there complete ownership of the MSM..
I believe the distinction between Judaeism and Zionism is crucial. Unless it is made, we overlook (very conveniently for Zionists) the significant participation of (alleged) Christians in the on-going oppression of Palestinians and the non-Jewish Anglo-American members of the Neo-con cabal murderous policies in the MENA (now also targeting Russia, and, increasingly China.)
The Saker’s designation ‘Anglo-Zionism’ is far and away the most accurate and should be used consistently.
A good analogy is the besmirching of Islam ( and the overwhelming majority of peaceful peoples) with the extremist murderous ideology of Wahaabism, a sect that originated in Saudi and financed globally by petro-dollars. The main victims of the alliance of Zion/Wahaabi are actually Muslims themselves.
The numbers of non-Muslim victims pales in comparison, yet we are encouraged to view Muslims as a ‘threat to Western civilization.’
The truth is the other way round.
GA is entitled to his opinion. Those who dislike it are free to counter. But never conflate opinion with facts, even when the media does its best to do so.
Re ‘anti-semitism’: I never use this term. The Palestinians are a semitic people, along with all the Arab peoples. It is a cultural/linguistic/ethnic designation from more than a thousand years of continued evolution in the Middle East.
Yet colonists of European extraction to the region, the oldest not more than seventy years have appropriated ‘anti-semitism’ as the motive for just criticism of their invasion. The truth is that the ‘State’ of Israel engages in the most egregious anti-semitism on the planet in its consistent destruction/abuse of Palestine.
The Anglo-Zionists who have brought death and destruction to Iraq, Libya, Syria are arguably even worse. Perpetuation of the fiction of ant-semitism as targeting the Jews exclusively plays right into Zionist hands.
Irrational hatred of people of Jewish heritage/practising Jews is Judaeophobia, not anti-semitism, anymore than irrational hatred of the Welsh (while excluding the Scots/Irish) is ‘anti-celtism.’
Use isms with extreme caution – they are used all too often by the real perps as a cloak for their actions.
Eimar,
Wow, your comment is excellent. Your writing is interesting and eloquent just like that of Saker’s. Good job! I wish righteous people like you guys are more in charge of this world.