There is a lot of excellent stuff in this video, but one point I came to fully endorse after a lot of research, soul searching and after having to comprehensively reject one of the key elements of my family’s education, is that all empires are bad, all empires end up hurting the nations which produce them, and all empires end more or less along a few basic models. When the authors of the video ask whether this empire will end with a bang or a whimper they ask the single most important question facing humanity today: can we, the world’s 99% (including the American people), bring down this AngloZionist empire without having it destroy our planet a hateful and rage-filled Götterdämmerung?
When I was still studying in college (getting an MA from one of the most Neocon-linked schools in the USA: SAIS, Johns Hopkins U. in Washington) I remember spending many hours with some very sharp students from all over the world discussing whether the US empire would collapse from internal tensions or as a result from of external factors. At that time, the Soviet Union was collapsing and even to ask that question seemed crazy to most people. I am proud to say that the students at SAIS knew better. What we could not foresee is such watershed events like 9/11, the crazy war on terror, then Obama and his mega-betrayal of all his promises. Nor, of course, could we in our wildest dreams have predicted Putin. From being the world’s sole superpower the USA has taken only 15 years to become the hated laughing stock of the entire planet and Obama a President who literally failed at everything he tried (or pretended trying) to do. The scary thing is that the next President might be even worse because, of course, the problem are not individuals or parties, but a system rotten to the core and run by individuals who have literally gone insane in their delusional and maniacal self-worship.
My maybe naive hope is that if the AngloZionist Empire does not go down in a big bang, countries such as the BRICS and the rest of the world will have the wisdom to finally recognize that the problem is not this or that empire, but Empire as such. I think that in Russia the vast majority of people have learned this lesson, albeit at a truly terrifying price. From my very limited knowledge of Chinese history, it appears that the Chinese do not have imperial designs and their way of expansion is trade and immigration. As for India, I am always concerned about strident nationalism a la BJP party, but I also hope that it can be contained. I might be naive, but I want to at least hope that no empire will rise to replace the current one. I would be very happy to live long enough to see our planet finally empire-free.
I hope that you will enjoy this short video as much as I did.
The Saker
saker, yes all empires die but they do last about 200 years which is no consolation to her victims.
empoires also become because of folly of her opponents and of other nations.
persian empire rose within a space of 30 years that is two generations. british empire rose from folly of napoleaon to rely on british spy to attack russia. otherwise england shoudl have been destryed by the grand army in 1805. british empire realy got going after napoleaonic war -the tact which english aprasite race has alwaqys emplyed-let two strong nations in europe fight so that like ahyna english aprasite will coem and have a feast. result was 200 years of massive destruction of humanity and of world by the british parasites. the english are still dreaming of ressurectiuon of their empire due to folllies of others nations like russia,china and thrid world not to get together and organise resistance to this theiving british.
american empire rose up within 30 years after propaganda of 80s when russia foolishly selfdestruced herself.
angloamerican empire is more like phonecian shopkeeprs empire than roman one,
Saker,
Wow! Enough topics for an evening’s discussion over vodka and zakuski.
Empire – good or bad? It all depends on who is in charge. Democracy? Detested by America’s founders, the destruction of which was crearly described by Carrol Quigley.
USSR collapse? I wrote an economics paper predicting it in 1984 ( was not well received by my polysci profressor). However, the economic rot that I described of the SU is now manifested in the US.
Nothing new under the sun, it’s just that now Russia has a leader of Faith that perhaps can be the focal point to bring the world back to common sense and peaceful brotherhood of nations.
As for the future of the US: I feel like I’m swimming around in a toilet just waiting for someone to flush.
Regards,
T1
Saker
Those three paragraphs you just wrote are without doubt not just the best out of all the good work you’ve done so far, but the best political writing I may ever have read. Mr. Nora called it a prayer, a beautiful, heartfelt prayer.
Thank you, from the bottom of our hearts. And YES! to all of it.
Oh, and I forget who made the observation that the trajectory of all recent Western Empires, including most prominently Spain and the UK (as opposed to the City of London), is that they became exceedingly reactionary in their decline and for some time thereafter. Have you any thoughts on what we the 99% might do, wherever we live, to ease that decline and at least limit the damage to others?
And thank you again. Somehow, you wrought something beautiful out of all these horrors.
Dear Mr and Ms Nora: I most certainly do not deserve such words of praise. But if you do want to see somebody who REALLY brings out the beautiful out of all these horrors see here:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2009/10/david-rovics-beautiful-voice-of.html
Now here is a man who truly deserves your praise!
Enjoy!
Hugs to both,
The Saker
Good video. I disagree with the written statement from Chris Hedges at the end of it though. The problem is not capitalism per se (imo), but Big Government and the Empire which forms it when in decline.
-yt
Top video. Thanks for posting it, Saker. What we are witnessing is psychopathy writ large. The ‘decay’ is the inevitable consequence of going against the Tao of the world, the laws of God or Nature or simply Reality, if you like.
This is the essential insanity of psychopathy; to believe that one is God and can therefore escape the consequences of one’s actions; that you can have such a thing as “creative destruction”
I believe that Putin is fully aware of all this and more and, together with China, is trying to minimise the damage to all from the death throws of the colossus.
Greetings from Singapore:
Talking about empire:
When I went to study at a German university, in the 70’s, as a foreigner, I kept asking and discussing with Germans (of different generations) about Germany’s Nazi past. (My father was 3 years in Buchenwald and is an issue which concerns me personally.)
While most Germans accept an historical debt for what the Nazi regime did, all Germans I talked too, all Germans I read from publications/books etc, seem to have ‘unlinked’ themselves from any responsibility from this historical disaster. It is like Hitler was created by ‘spontaneous combustion’ or ‘immaculate conception’ and the average German is purely a victim of an historical accident.
The same goes for the United States of America. What Washington did and does places collective responsibilty on every American, irrespective if this country is a true democracy or not. The day I see massive and active dissent, I have to change my opinion.
For some reason this whole exercise reminds me of the Game theory differences between Zero-sum and Nash equilibrium. Winner take all has been de-facto on Wall Street since the 70’s. The game is to take EVERYTHING — even the options you don’t want or need so that your opponent can never use them. We all know people who operate like this. It’s the way evil plays the game. Asymmetric warfare. Total destruction. Enslavement.
Nash equilibrium is based on making best decisions taking into account the decisions (strategies and needs) of the others in the game. There are no winner takes all. Everyone gets something. It may not be their first choice goal — but all receive “good”. The key is that there are NO losers in this game.
The problem with US Foreign Policy is that its built on Tamudic theology of one side receiving ALL the blessings due to its “chosen-ness”. And that “chosen-ness” gives it the right to take or destroy “good” to another. It’s a thoroughly evil theology and practice. It has NO redeeming qualities. And it was totally exposed and refuted by Christ.
The only worthy objective of “Empire” is to lift all boats. That includes boats within and WITHOUT the Empire. Because NORMAL people who are busy supporting their families and living peaceful lives are not looking to go to war against others. The kind of people who play Zero-sum are not people who build or maintain or sacrifice for great Empires. Their only goal is to amass wealth for themselves and their tribe. But even within this tribe there is deceit and mendacity and disloyalty and the seeds of discontent. How could it be any different when it is based on taking “good” from others.
These human struggles have been chronicled in all great literature from Shakespeare to Faulkner. It boils down to every individual (and Empire) reaps what it sows. Zero-sum is temporal. It results in the dimunition and distruction of wealth creation. It magnifies nothing but individual gain and those who hoard good from others. Nash equilibrium fosters wealth expansion across all human strata — and results in the strengthening of Empire over the long term. Peace and prosperity are not zero-sum.
Those who live lives based on Nash equilibrium will seek and support Empires that play by those rules. And reject zero-sum Empires. And that is the “decay” we are experiencing.
AGS
Saker,
Well, I’m going to disagree with you again! ;~) But this time I’ll hug you first, and then try to say something intelligible with whatever is left of me, still reeling from Odessa and the rest of the daily horrors in Ukraine, after revisiting and receiving a fresh sucker-punch each from Korea, Viet Nam and the rest, then just hearing David Rovics’ first song, on Tunisia, and reading the Lebanon lyrics on that page. Whew. That man is POWERFUL. And right on. Thank you for introducing him. Wow.
But, sometimes poetry just says it, and sometimes music gets where words alone can’t — but simple prose with a deep, emotional intelligence allows its reader maybe more space to reflect rather than just be impacted upon? Not sure I expressed it right, but that’s what you did.
And now back to Empire, Saker — the problem is, we don’t know how not to be one, because there was never a time we weren’t: that is what we are. I’m not even talking oligarchs, though we’ve always had plenty and they’ve always run the show, I’m talking the consciousness of ordinary people. Don’t forget, we came here and invaded and conquered, that’s our identity, we haven’t any other as a country. City On A Hill, Manifest Destiny, Monroe Doctrine… And American kids went to school from the first time we had schools and heard everywhere else besides of the glory of what we did and accepted it as “just what you do” in being a country. Because otherwise our history is disjointed patchwork fragments of what was left behind elsewhere — we have no other organic, cultural, spiritual national identity other than the pretty myths of empire. Here, we conquer and call it being a country, and only in the past 15 years or so “graduated” into calling it an empire. Before that, we were just miraculously victorious saving Europe from Hitler or making the world safe for democracy, or, a decade or so before that, sending Teddy Roosevelt’s Great White Fleet to bring Christianity to the (supposedly heathen but already quite Catholic) Philippines. And I’ll tell you right now, most of this country are still unaware we haven’t “won” a war since (kinda) helping Stalin defeat Hitler. If you would try to tell them, they wouldn’t believe it in a million years and if you pressed the case, they might even resort to violence.
So what on earth can we do to ease this transition?
Oh, and T1,
It took me a bit longer but when the USSR just sort of folded like cardboard, I saw we had very much the same symptoms and wondered how long we’d take — knew at that point we were awful but never, ever dreamed we’d get even worse.
On an optimistic note one can see that the “Empire” arose in the East and travelled West. It is what might be called the “Translatio Imperii”, the medieval concept for describing history as a linear succession of transfers of an imperium that invests supreme power in a singular ruler, an “emperor”.
It now reached its last frontier which is not only symbolically, the Sunset, buckling the cycle. Hopefully it will sunk peacefully in the waters of the Pacific.
Excellent short! Thank you. Mass movements, yes, Millions of people marched against shock and awe under the slogan, ” Give inspections a chance” in 2003 and to no avail. Leadership is key and slogans that cut to the quick by expressing demands to be met. And the use of the technology to build community and inform. For example, Sunday I go online to participate in something called a “core community teleconference” in which questions will be taken potentially from hundreds of viewers. This blog, too is important and thank you
Dear Saker
I hope you are feeling better.
My question is regarding the impact of energy prices on food production in the Ukraine.
What will be the impact of much higher energy prices on food production? Will there be food shortages, and perhaps localized starvation? How can Russia protect itself, if possible, against the inevitable rise in food prices?
Any thoughts are welcome.
Great Blog
Regards
John
@-yt:The problem is not capitalism per se (imo), but Big Government and the Empire which forms it when in decline.
Here I respectfully but totally disagree. Capitalism is based on growth. There can be no capitalism without growth. Now what do you call infinite growth in a finite environment? I call that a cancer-like phenomenon. It will always end up killing the host. Furthermore, capitalism, as an ideology (which it also is) is based on the belief that the sum of our greeds maximizes the welfare of society. I think that this is both factually wrong and morally obscene. As a system of values Capitalism stands for nothing but the maximization of profit. That is just so disgusting! What about the monetization of everything? The inevitable surrender to corporate greed? And is social Darwinism not always the underlying justification for all the inequalities capitalism creates? Here is a good illustration of how Reaganomics wiped out the US middle class:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLrcTxj34M_VZoJoAh2O7iWvZSsTDNkL41&feature=player_detailpage&v=BvsdXXyn_YA#t=3002
And that is just an example of what Capitalism does everywhere. I personally see it as far more evil and destructive as any other 20th century ideology.
Besides, capitalism does not work anyway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcC8sXdbWSw
My 2cts.
Cheers,
The Saker
“We” do not exist unless organised.
“Democracy” is a high camp hoot because it is rule by the best organised, by the secret societies. When a man emerges representing the interests and morality of the 99%, he is murdered like Huey Long. So organise a leaderless, broad movement or just keep on bloggin.’
WEB MASTER, tell everybody to nag everybody to invade (eg., in the US) the nationally detested Republican Party to reinforce the patriotic Tea Party conservatives.
Forget mass media, the internet is God given.
Aim, to displace secretly owned politicians with publicly observable noblemen of statesmanlike potential,
ever aware that defenestrate is a posh word for chucking a turd out a window.
“We” can exist only if working the process of accumulating political influence within a viable political party. Control of the national legislature must be the strategic aim.
SAKER. Nag the strategy as a mantra—or give up.
mjm,
Very interesting observations. The anti-war protesters of the Viet Nam era may well have a sense of collective responsibility but judging from their almost complete disappearance into hedonism, narcissism, greed and the like, their dissent was probably also just a bit self-serving — it was also a war a lot of them personally didn’t want to fight.
But your account of, well, non-accountability makes me wonder whether this isn’t just a basic human statistic: how many people let themselves feel genuine remorse and honestly try to gain redemption or atonement for their sins? Not that many, really, I don’t think. Not really. Otoh, the fact that the Germans you spoke with could be horrified at what was done, even if they personally allowed themselves to feel no personal connection to it, at least is a brake, a way to stop and turn a corner. I’d settle for that here, frankly, though like you I’d like to see a whole lot more, because it IS our collective responsibility even if we keep our eyes cemented shut.
And then that makes me wonder about Vladimir Putin. He *was* a part of the Soviet Empire: is it overstating things to say that he may well have experienced remorse, either personally or as a part of the general malfeasance of that empire, and is working his way through with a greater determination to steer himself and his country on a higher course precisely because he did go through that process? I don’t know that he did, but was very struck by Sharon Tennison’s account of how ethical she and others knew him to be. He’s got other skills too, of course, but that’s one hell of a strength; at least it has been in the people I’ve known who’ve gone through something like that.
Saker,
Thank you so much for your deep insights. I appreciate so much what you do, and how you do this.
As an American ex-pat, 48 years in the U.S., and now 25 years in the Netherlands, life remains a school, and I the pupil.
Thank you for being one of my guides.
Earl
@Earl: thank you for your kind words of encouragement. I am myself an eternal student so we are both companions on the same journey. Let me be your fellow-traveler and let only your conscience be your guide.
Kind regards and many thanks,
The Saker
Saker,
Who put that propaganda piece together? Korea, that poor tiny backward country – which of the Koreas was that? World’s sole atomic power? Have you forgotten Soviet history already? The USSR, though it boycotted the UN SC had nuclear weapons by 1950.
That’s a stupid video. ” Korean war, America failed to crush a tiny North Korea.” America had all of Korea rolled up, until China entered the war. The Korean war was victory for America, between China (unlimited manpower and fighting right on their border) and the USA, half the Korea became an US ally, whereas without US intervention all of it would have been Communists worshiping that family as gods on earth.
The whole anti-empire thing is wrong also. All successful nations will become empires, because all living grow and must continue to grow, until they can’t anymore, and then they begin to die. Russian empire = good. Orthodox empires = good. Any empire on different foundation = neutral to evil.
Saker,
Have you seen this? I am sory if you have, but I find them important. Ukrainian “democracy” in action. Supposed to be filmed and photographed when they “voted out” Yanukovych. If this is true, then its game over for “the government” in Kiev.
Now that Berkut’s’s washed for charges of murder, I expect the “western” world’s regret and dismay. Think I will have to wait a long time for such an apology.
If the links do not work search:
Ukraine’s Transition to Democracy.
Ukraine’s Transition to Democracy. 2
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8de_1397133708
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=90c_1395058419
Can anyone verfisere this?
Here is the link to Berkut: http://rt.com/news/158864-kiev-snipers-not-berkut/
German TV- about the Sniper killings in Kiev.( This must go viral)
German TV. 10.4.14. Who were the Maidan snipers? Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJ-ucnyPU
MAIDAN THAT DOES NOT SHOW ON TV 1 – ENGLISH SUBTIT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTHxOXfOq2Y
I also found this. There’ve been some rumors, but I did not think the U.S. would demonstrate it so greatly.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=2bb691b61c59be3a68180bd8c614a0cb&tab=core&tabmode=list&
This are great facebook pages with informatian about Ukraine that I recommand.
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine
https://www.facebook.com/pages/BERKUT-Ukraine/574477605978934
https://www.facebook.com/southfronteng?fref=photo
https://www.facebook.com/antimaidaninternacionalbrigadeseuropa
Here is alot of the videos they show:
http://vk.com/videos250820024
Requests that you are careful, as it can be very strong images there. And it can be downright misinformation.
The Norwegian.
Importance of leadership and the importance of coherent program:
You don’t have to be a Leninist to understand why Occupy Wall St. so quickly disappeared. The Vietnam antiwar movement which one person in this blog so quickly and cynically dismissed was totally self interested. We did not want to go to Vietnam to kill people for no understandable reason. The slogan of the day was ” Bring the Troops Home, now”–a class demand as minorities and ( after student deferments were wrangled) working class youth were drafted. The movement began by staging series of “teach ins” throughout campuses in the United States. Key campuses were important–Berkeley Free Speech movement — and later in the early 70’s everyone remembers Kent State (but not so much the under reported 5 deaths at Jackson State, an Afro American college in Mississippi). The fury was palpable. Most every major University was on strike -shut down for at least a week. That is when the ruling class decided that should they continue the war they would lose the allegiance of a whole generation. . The escalation into Cambodia was abandoned shortly after that. The ruling class controls the textbooks so it writes history from its perspective but I was there and I was in the leadership of the movement. Did we sell out afterwards? Perhaps–most of us in the period of political quiescence that followed either became academics or turned to employment in helping professions. The left wing political group I was in became increasingly factionalized, self referential and irrelevant.
What a great comment from AGS @ 23:51!
He goes straight to the heart of the matter and expresses it very succinctly. Well said, AGS.
Good May be seen as pro-life and is therefore creative and “Lifting all boats” as AGS says. Evil is anti-life and therefore destructive and results in even less than a zero sum game.
I agree with Saker’s take on Capitalism. It does promote growth of a sort but we more than pay for it in other ways.
The trick is going to be how to arrange a creative economic and governmental model that excludes psychopaths from gaining control.
@The Saker, 15 May, 2014 00:17
I think we just define capitalism differently. IMO what we have today is a anomaly, only based on capitalism somewhat. We have some sort of financial imperialism (with big government in every capitalist country) with many Marxist traits mixed in (more so in the west than in Asia for example), in which the financial sector plays way too big a role. They like to call it capitalism, to steer the anger away from the real culprit. Small and medium businesses are real innovators, they are living in the capitalist system as well. More or less successful in today’s environment with allmighty big corporations and financial institutions which are in cahoots with big government.
When i say capitalim, i see it as the economical system (not ideology) that succeeded Feudalism (in some parts of the world). The difference being someone else other than a monarch may own the means of production and the existence of labor which is being paid for in the form of wages, as opposed to serfdom.
I’m totally open to any other idea, any better system than capitalism in theory and practice. Socialism, which the Soviet Union and the east-block states tried (and sold as the successor), did not work. Why did it not work in the end? My opinion: because it was just not competitive against the opposing system. Why was that: because it did not promote and support innovation and motivation to excel. Btw, here i know what i am talking about ;)
“Capitalism is based on growth. There can be no capitalism without growth. Now what do you call infinite growth in a finite environment?”
I’d say it’s very close to how nature functions. In a certain environment, the plants and animals which are able to cope with it the best will survive. The populations of these will grow, but only as much as the environment permits. In capitalism, this is functioning similar. You have growth markets where there is a void being filled up to a point of saturation. From then on, growth of one entity can only come at the expense of another entity shrinking.
I’m not a defender of capitalism as an ideology, well, i stay clear of all idologies if i can. So, i guess your points in that regard may be true, but better be discussed with someone else.
And as i said, i of course am open for a new economic (and social) system which we humans can adopt in the future. But if we like it or not, it has to be ‘better’ in many regards than the current one in order to defeat it.
Cheers,
-yt
“Korea, that poor tiny backward country – which of the Koreas was that?”
Perhaps is time to learn from facts rather than propaganda?
My only question is why Korea, a victim of Japan imperialism, was divided in two part after the war? Who gave power to URRS and USA to divide that country in two spheres of influence? Why not let the koreans to decide their future after 1945?
James,
Creative destruction is a very real phenomenon. The Universe does it prrtty much continuously. The danger is in thinking one can initiate or control the process to their own advantage without harming others or their legitimate interests, be it individually or as a group. Whether this is done by redefining harm to their own advantage or redefining legitimate to their own advantage seems to be situational.
An image came to me from 1990s pop culture: they no doubt fancy themselves the Sorcerer’s Apprentice starring Mickey Mouse; from the perspective of non-elites, the same showy endeavors and outcomes more closely resemble those of the Sorcerer’s Apprentice starring South Park’s Mr. Hankey (see Season 1 Episode 9, NSFW).
Anonymous @0:15,
Ukraine is one of the top (#2?) manufacturers of ammonia fertilizer in the world, which typically uses natural gas as a feedstock. My guess is, not well.
Michael McDonnell,
Why do you think that nobility and statesmanship themselves are not contributors to the problem? It’s an essentially unaccountable class of people arrogating the right to know what’s best for others, *again*. Acephalic societies may not be good for planning large, complex projects, but maybe we don’t need to make so many such projects for ourselves just to excuse the use of our labor in feeding and sheltering people.
Also, it is utter Peter-Panist nonsense that working within a viable political party will get us anywhere If Only We Believe™. If it were, it would have happened by now. The system, and especially the Democratic Party, actively defends itself against non-market, non-authoritarian approaches to anything by having a critical mass of people in places who truly believe in market authoritarianism and can’t all be fired at once. They want you pushing on the inside because it maximizes the energy and goodwill expenditure toward *their* ends, not yours. “Insiders don’t criticize other insiders”, as Larry Summers said to Liz Warren, and those five words happen to explain and predict with high accuracy who gets promoted and who gets “affair”ed.
And how do you propose we get control over a party, even with a majority? The parties are funded by big donors. Parties are authoritarian sales organizations in practice. They exist to sell the system to you and vice versa. If you adulterate their product, they will dump it (and you) and start over. There are many, many veto points and feedback loops, and the richies that fund the party don’t have to do anything they don’t want to.
Withdrawing cooperation by not ratifying the system and sabotaging it in every legal way, on the other hand, has a very real chance of making the system itself change. That’s another reason insiders want you pushing on the inside: because it doesn’t change power relationships. But some people like licking boots; I just wish they’d keep it in their own bedrooms rather than evangelizing it as some sort of good thing.
@anon @15 May, 2014 00:46
OK, sole atomic deployer, i.e. the mad dog in the family.
Complaining about “empire” won’t rid us of capitalism, which is the root cause of almost everything that’s rotten in this world. Patching up specific policies to better deal with economic crisis and crisis of government won’t do at all in the long run. But sadly, the notion that the whole system is on its last leg and unfixable hasn’t been widely accepted yet, which is why we still see even good people wasting their and our time trying to repair the wreck. The vast majority of earth’s human population and all of its nature pay a high price for such unnecessary delays. Ultimately, either capitalism goes or life on earth goes and, as Frank Zappa once put it, the planet will be safe once again for cockroaches and moss …
Saker said:
“As for India, I am always concerned about strident nationalism a la BJP party, but I also hope that it can be contained.”
As a Serbian who adores India and its philosophy and religion, I would not mind a bit if BJP nationalists take that beautiful country to its right place – the future leader of humankind.
I am afraid that the analysis presented in that video may be too optimistic. Empires do not simply rise and fall. They can fall, re-invent themselves and rise again. For example, the British Empire took a severe blow when it lost the American colonies but was given a second chance with the Napoleonic Wars and attendant devastation of its continental rivals.
The examples cited in the analysis as signs of the limits of US power need to be taken cautiously. The Korean War was a stalemate because the US was not willing to deploy the massive conventional forces needed to defeat the Chinese army in Korea since to do so would have left their position in Europe much weaker vis-a-vis the Soviet Union. Yes they bombed North Korea heavily but bombing does not win a war when the opposition is determined to fight on. Similar reasons prevented the US from invading North Vietnam. Furthermore, the continuation rather than outright victory in Vietnam suited the US military-industrial complex just fine and that war actually created a whole new segment of the US plutocracy.
As for the recent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, they have not been victories but have not been complete defeats for the US either. The US had been favourable to the rise of the Afghan Taliban in the 1990s and if, like some of their other religious brethren, the Taliban change their strategic orientation, the US could easily live with them again. In Iraq, even though the US has lost control of the post-Saddam Iraqi government, it has succeeded in destroying Iraq as the potentially most powerful Arab state for the foreseeable future. Furthermore, these wars have all helped drive up the price of energy. While that has suited some of America’s rivals such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela, it also helped the American oil companies who needed the higher prices to make more costly exploration projects viable.
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I would suggest that the US empire is not falling so much as it is being transformed. The development of transnational capitalism has made the ruling element of the most developed capitalist countries a global ruling class rather than national ones. We are seeing the emergence of a consolidated Atlanticist supra-national bloc in which Israel and the international Zionist movement continue to play a preponderant role. The process of Atlantic integration has been pursued since the end of the Second World War and is meant, among other things, to create an entity strong enough to dictate terms to any major Eurasian power. This is the vision laid out by American strategists like Prof. Brzezinski.
Even if these project is not entirely successful, that does not mean that it will collapse. If present trends continue, it seems likely that the Atlantic bloc will be unable to impose its terms on a significant part of the world but will still be able to rule unchallenged over the other part and eventually a 1984-style world of 3 great power blocs revolving around the US-UK-Israel, Russia and China would emerge.
As for the issue of the contradictions of finance capitalism and resource depletion, that does not mean that the Atlantic bloc will completely collapse either, at least not in the near future. What is most likely may be the scenario elaborated in the speculative French novel ‘Europocalypse’ by the Scriptoblog team where those problems are managed for a few generations on a lower level of energy consumption. A small technician class replaces the old middle class and keeps the economy running. The great masses of poor are sated with virtual consumption in place of real consumption (virtual reality letting you feel like you are on vacation rather than actually being on vacation for instance). Eventually such a system would break down as well but capitalism has a stupendous ability to consume parts of itself to keep the whole system going so a total collapse may be a long way off.
To yt,
I think that capitalism may be best described as the rule of capital. It is not identical with a market economy though some degree of market economy creates the conditions for the rise of capitalism. There have been market economies for as long as there have been towns for people to gather and create markets. However, for most of human history, the power of capital was subordinate to some other power. For much of early history it was to priestly power and then for the last 2000 years or so until about the 1600s AD it was subordinate to the power of a warrior or bureaucratic elite. The pre-capitalist power structures were obviously not paradise, but they did accept limits to human acquisition and their worldview was generally based on some notion of equilibrium rather than of endless growth.
If you want the benefits of a market economy without many of the drawbacks, you cannot have the rule of capital. There has to be some power superior to that of capital.
Of course, we can’t just go back to how it was. History is dynamic and every system, no matter how appealing, contains elements that will lead to it to be transformed. In the course of human history, the power of capital slowly grew even while subordinate to the other powers because the other powers still needed money to function. Eventually, certain circumstances arose, first in Western Europe, where the big capitalists gained the upper hand over their nominally aristocratic superiors.
Jonathan, you have a point re ‘destruction. I should have been more specific and called it ‘destruction by man’ or ‘destruction through malice’.
Songs analysis covers many valid points but omits to acknowledge that the destruction visited on Iraq, Afghanistan etc while intentional, is still ‘Plan B’. Plan A (control and exploitation) has been defeated.
The prediction that the Empire will survive through adaption is predicated on the continued ignorance, apathy and acquiesce of the captive domestic populations. This is already visibly changing. A spirit has awakened in the world (speaking as a westerner,at least!)
Greetings from Singapore:
Nora said..
And then that makes me wonder about Vladimir Putin…
Forget the ethical perspective here.
There was a kind of silent agreement between the West and Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union: We will respect Russia as a super-power, as long as it does not act as such. This worked well under Yeltsin. Putin was chosen thinking he would not rock the boat.
Since Georgia, thereafter with Syria and now with Crimea, Russia is telling the world that it is a super-power, with historic rights and with the means to enforce same. China is doing exactly the same, but the Asian way.
Both have no intention to ‘construct’ empire, but a multi-polar world, which is inclusive (and not exclusive) and sustainable. A kind of ‘ethical’ world…
James,
Thanks for the response.
I think that not getting Plan A to work is quite common. Reality rarely fits a pre-made plan and so one usually does not get everything that is initially sought for. Different parts of the oligarchy behind the Iraq war had different primary objectives. The part of the Atlantic ruling bloc that lost out the most, relatively speaking, from the outcome were the big Anglo-American oil companies since even though they got their higher prices they did not get to control most of the Iraqi oil fields. Conversely, Israel and the international Zionist movement had the destruction of Iraq as Objective A.
As for whether popular awakening in the West will doom the Empire, I guess we will have to see. I think that the portion of Western populations that are awakened are a minority and will remain a minority. Many more are unhappy with the status quo and feel something is wrong but can’t put a finger on it and so their unhappiness can lead them in all sorts of directions. The belief in a great democratic awakening seems to be a secular version of eschatological religious ideas and frankly the religious version is more plausible. If history is to take a decisive turn in a direction never before taken, surely divine intervention is more likely to cause it than the human actions that have not produced that result for thousands of years already.
That said, activist minorities have far more historical influence than passive majorities. Accident and free will still exist in human history so one cannot ultimately predict the future, only suggest more versus less likely outcomes.
Hi Saker & Nora,
You mentioned a friend of mine above, David Rovics.
Let me introduce you to a complementary performer, Roy Zimmerman.
The Edward Snowden/Glenn Greenwald/NSA story was news today. Here’s Roy’s take on the agency, titles “Hello, NSA”, an homage to the late, great Elvis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJ2VDTQWSI
Saker, just above you described the problems with capitalism, to which I agree. Here Roy Zimmerman lets folks know they already enjoy the alternative, “Socialist” vision of heaven on Earth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMLgEnDGkG4
The music at the end of the video is also very fitting: Koyaanisqatsi or unbalanced life. An amazing track.
There’s so much the empire has given this world, including my three pair of jeans.
Mindfriedo
According to Martin Armstrong (huge cycle’s genius) all Empires die after 224 years. He takes it from the year of 1789 when the Constitution was ratified. 2013-1789=224yrs. He shows in the chart that time began on April 22, 2013 for the US. My understanding is he charted all empires going back to 6000BC. This may be of interest: http://armstrongeconomics.com/2013/11/26/2013-the-year-of-political-change/
Saker,
I’m wondering if you have ever considered demographic change in the US? I think this change will make the demise of the empire inevitable. There are two factors:
1, The White students in elementary school age are less than 50% now, the Black and Latino kids are nearly 50% and keep increasing. The academic performance of the latter two demographic groups fall far behind the White and Asians.
2. Baby boomer generation entering retirement age. They will start to draw their entitled retirement money medical benefits that don’t exist anymore.
Do you know what these implies? Think about 20 to 30 years down the road. This country’s culture and political dynamic will be totally different.
Now talking about China. You are right that China doesn’t have imperial designs. Even China is about to be the largest economy in the world, we are still a developing country. Our GDP per capita is behind countries like Colombia, Macedonia, Peru, or Serbia. China just started the modernization process about 100 years ago, 500 years behind Europe (I consider Renaissance as the starting point of modern Europe). We still have a lot to catch up.
Besides, Chinese culture and traditions are totally different from the West. We are not aggressive people like the Westerners. 2000 years ago, we built the Great Wall to prevent invasion from barbarians instead of going to their territory to slaughter them.
I hope this can help you to understand why China has this seemingly huge economic power but doesn’t quite know how to play her hand and doesn’t take the leadership.
Why hope and not interact?
Hope is minimising the possibility and range of activity – handing the strategic advantage to your opponent.
To paraphrase a dead wine loving dancer – Philosophers here to fore have merely described the world, the problem however is to change it – he was young at the time so he temporarily forgot to emphasise lateral thought.
In any dynamic interactive lateral system change is the constant, velocity of change the primary variable catalysed through perceptive interaction.
Like Donetsk giving the “Ukrainian army” 24 hours to leave.
On China,
I think that China avoids taking a leading role in international affairs and lets Russia take the lead in opposing US hegemony for very prosaic reasons.
China, even though it is, on the aggregate level, wealthier than Russia and potentially much stronger in the long run, it is also far more vulnerable to US power in the foreseeable future. Unlike Russia, China depends on sea routes for its energy imports and the US Navy still controls the seas. It will be some time before the PLA Navy is a match for the US Navy.
While a (non-nuclear) war between Russia and the US would largely be a land and air war in Eastern Europe where Russia would have the edge, any such war between China and the US would largely be a sea and air war somewhere in the Western Pacific where the US would still have the advantage.
Furthermore, the Chinese economy is still too dependent on exports. China adopted an export-based model of growth in the 1980s and it probably had no other option at the time as it needed foreign technology and therefore foreign investors. However, as foreign markets weaken, there will be an unstable period where the internal market will not be growing fast enough to take up the slack. Since 2008, the Chinese government has done a great deal of fiscal and monetary stimulus to cover that gap but that can’t go on too long without inflation becoming a problem. The Chinese economy thus has to go through a transitional period where growth could slow a bit and Beijing would rather avoid major confrontations with the US during that time.
Saker,
The next empire, if there is one, will be controlled by the 147 transnational corporations and their owners that control more than 50% of the global GDP.
For an interesting take on the future, I thoroughly recommend John Greer, google “Archdruid report” to find his blog.
eagle eye
Mr. Song, I think your analysis is on the mark. I’ve been on about Orwell’s prescience since forever. Well, since 9/11 when everything changed.
No overnight collapse is likely. Instead, it’s just as likely that generations will grow up thinking this is the way it has always been… every day just a little bit worse in a series that has always been getting worse. Another “ally” defecting. Another warship mothballed, another bank failure, another bridge condemned, another blackout against a backdrop of ever more political and social repression. The new normal.
In some future time, standing in the right place, squinting in just the right light, one might be able to see the high water mark where the USUKIL wave broke against the Crimean Mountains and rolled back out to sea.
Erebus
When I first found this blog, I was impressed by (more or less) neutral analysis and objectivity.
Regretably, this has changed in last 2 weeks.
And re: topic.
As someone who is living in country on borders of Russia, my observations have lead me to following, and you could review all statements with this thought:
Russia wants to be an empire, has always tried to become one, and today we see just another attempt.
This probably is just a human thing in large countries, which should be countered by some construct in societal structure of world.
My two cents about the Capitalism, a non-existing thing: http://houseofmaedhros.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/the-difference/
A little off topic, but maybe not so much…..
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1811
Napoleon is the master of Europe. He controls pretty much all of continental Europe and commands skillfully the most powerful military machine ever seen. Only England still stand against him, in state of war. England is exhausted, more or less blocked, and only fifty miles of seawater separate her from the fatal enemy.
So Napoleon …….. invades Russia (who is formally an ally)!
1941
Hitler is the master of Europe. He controls pretty much all of continental Europe and commands skillfully the most powerful military machine ever seen. Only England still stand against him, in state of war. England is exhausted, more or less blocked, and only fifty miles of seawater separate her from the fatal enemy.
So Hitler …….. invades (Soviet) Russia (who is formally an ally)!
Historians keep on telling that it’s all for that fifty miles of seawater. I beg pardon, but even assuming (not conceding) that as the reason why those most powerful armies refrained from completing the job, how fifty miles of seawater are supposed to be the cause of invading Russia?
A spell is an explanation as much satisfying as that.
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Does anybody have a better explanation?
I agree that empires is bad for all but the Oligarchs who rule it, but will you Saker, admit that Russia is an empire as well?
I know that Russia was forced to become an empire, so not to be eaten by the Swedish and Ottoman empire, but by doing this, they had to become the overlords in stead of the old masters.
Would Russia be willing to give back St. Petersburg and the Kola peninsula to the Finns, or at least admit that the Finns are the “Urbevolkerung” in the area, and that before St. Petersburg was founded, there was first a Swedish city there for a few centuries, and most likely a Finnish one before that?
Would it be accepted, or would Russia create more fake history, if it is shown that there are no Slavic people, because the Slavic people are those who were Slavified into speaking “Old Church Slavonic” as a common language?
The Roman state,–monarchy, Senate, empire–lasted 2,200 years until it was finally conquered by the Ottomans. So, unfortunately, the US empire may last quite a while.
“AGS on 14 May, 2014 23:51 said…
Those who live lives based on Nash equilibrium will seek and support Empires that play by those rules. And reject zero-sum Empires. And that is the “decay” we are experiencing.
Dearest AGS,
Excellent write up on Zero-sum and Nash equilibrium and it relationship to “chosen-ness”.
It was competition in the Bar for the Blonde Girl, in which Mr. Nash blew Mr. Adam Smith, the Father of Capitalism out of the water. Mr. Nash proved that what is good for individual might not be good for the group. Then, he proved the same concept with mathematical precisions for his doctorate.
The “chosen-ness” has created Lord Lucifer the Greek/Roman God. The “chosen-ness” don’t have such concept in their religion, but with intentional mistranslation, they have created it for the next upcoming religion, which is practiced by the masses.
Thus, Mr. God and Mr. Lucifer are in constant tugs of wars, and the “chosen-ness” is milking the system. Remind me of two farmers, both claiming the cow. One farmer is pulling the cow from front with a rope and another one pulling the cow with the tail. The two lawyers sitting on the stools milking the cow.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Dearest AGS,
Thus, our minds are corrupted by competition, competition and then competition. Our Lord is constantly competing with the Evil Lucifer. Our minds are wrapped into this competitiveness.
Rather than God is in perfect harmony. He has no equal, neither He needs competition.
Capitalism is based on competition and waste. According to Lord Adam Smith the more we compete the better for the society as it will bring us to equilibrium. Mr. Nash proved him wrong in a bar, while all his friends were about to compete for a blonde girl.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Anonymous 20:14
I didn’t dismiss the effect of the anti-war movement — I was there too. But the FSM yielded Reagan and the the beginning of the destruction of California’s wonderful state university system (check it out now if you don’t believe me) and frankly, we got out of Viet Nam because we had to. The point I was making is precisely the one you made in your last three sentences. The real issue is, what can we do now to, well, okay, unite hippies and hard-hats, regenerate that kind of energy, add in the knowledge we’ve now got, and get something done.
Mohamed,
You know, when I studied Adam Smith in high school, I’m pretty sure he stressed that that unregulated competition always leads to monopoly. I think what is now being said in his name is merely misinterpretation a la Ayn Rand. No?
But yes to everything you said.
Useful background:
euro-zone recovery flounders
@Song, 15 May, 2014 04:00
In my view, capital does not rule anything.
It’s always a human or groups of humans who rule about something (making rules (laws) and enforcing them). They project power over other humans with certain means.
Capital is a means not an end. Also, military power (for which one needs capital or property) is a means. We can widen it a bit and say ownership or property can be a result of successful projection of power (in addition to labor increasing the perceivend value of goods) and then property can be used to increase the power even further.
The small kid plays with ‘his’ wooden stick, then the bigger kid strolls along, takes it and declares ‘my stick’! The small kid can cry all it wants. For all intents and purposes, the bigger kid now ‘owns’ the stick it decides to deny the smaller kid the privilege to use it. Also, by wielding the stick, the bigger kid just increased his potential of projecting power, even being able to take on slightly bigger kids than him. This may change when one of those evil but mighty and huge humans (parents of the small kid) comes along and changes ownership of the stick again, probably keeping the stick.
Property is here defined as something someone has the power to decide what to do with (deying others to decide how to use it is usually being part of that). Property can only be defended as such when one has the power to defend it. This concept works from very small and simple things like someone ‘owning’ a hat up to groups of people owning an enterprise. Now, the government steps in. It limits, more or less, how people (for instance the ‘owner’ of real estate or a owner of a enterprise) act with their property, what they are ‘allowed’ to do with it. If there are rules on how one is able to use property, the ownership part of that is changed and partly in the hands of government. For instance you don’t really own a piece of land if you are not allowed to do anything you want with it. You have been granted the privilege to use it for certain things. The ultimate ‘owner’ is the government, because it is able to project its power to you and over the real estate.
Be it in nature or with humankind (being part of nature), there is nothing one has an inherent ‘right’ to. Everything (also capital) is ‘owned’ by someone who has the power and is able to defend this status.
So no, capital does not rule, some humans do.
As for capitalism and what system would be desirable from your/my point of view, our wishes are moot if we’re not able to enforce them. The only change to anything happens ‘only’ because someone grows stronger and is able to force a change of the status. So the new system must defeat the old one (too simple but heh) because either the old one changed internally into something not sustainable and grows weak and crumbles (something else develops from within (Roman Empire)) or because something else outside developed faster and grows stronger in comparison and is able to push away or destroy the old (Europeans conquering North- and South America).
-yt
“Nora on 15 May, 2014 14:52 said…
You know, when I studied Adam Smith in high school, I’m pretty sure he stressed that that unregulated competition always leads to monopoly.
Dearest Nora,
What I remember, Adam Smith said that they are some monopolies which are unavoidable. For example, a Power Generating Company in Stickville, USA. If we have more than one competing against each others, they will become very expansive for the consumers. Imagine, two Power Companies supplying electricity to different houses on the same street in a town. They both carrying separate Power Lines to these houses on the same street.
The Power Companies are Capital Intensive, rather than Labor Intensive, thus requiring large amounts of investments. They have to recoup these investments from the consumers and then some (profit). These investments should also allow for peak consumptions during the day/month/season.
Therefore, Adam Smith called these inherent monopolies, which should be subject to regulations.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
P.S. Please say “Hi to Mr. Nora for me”. :)
“Besides, Chinese culture and traditions are totally different from the West. We are not aggressive people like the Westerners. 2000 years ago, we built the Great Wall to prevent invasion from barbarians instead of going to their territory to slaughter them. “
I agree that the Chinese are not as aggressive as the N-Europeans, but the bad side of this is that few Chinese stand up to power.
As for the Great Wall of China, you don’t build a wall to keep people out, you build it to keep people trapped inside. For a modern example, you have the armed and often walled communist borders in Europe, that would be punched through with ease by an army, but worked in keeping the population from escaping to the west.
It is the same with the castles on mountain tops, that is not there to protect the local population, but to subjugate them, by protecting the castle owners from revenge from the serfs. So by looking at how your rulers live, and have historically lived, you can estimate if they rule by the consent of the people of not, and the forbidden city in Beijing is the home of a despot.
Sorry to shatter everyone’s “optimism” but Empires collapse not because they are “bad” or that “honest people” fight them but just because they become so bloated and riddled with costs that the marginal rate of return drops so much that collapse (giving up and crumbling down) gets more cost effective than business as usual (just ask the Romans).
Thus the question is, is the US there yet?
(for more see Joseph Tainter, Collapse of Complex Societies)
Dear Nora,
When I say that both Obama and Putin are in cahoots, I don’t mean they are not patriots.
Since we have brought Adam Smith into discussion, we need to think of everything as commodities subject to the laws of Supply and Demand.
Thus, USD (US Dollars) is a commodity, so is T-Bills as Mindfriedo mentioned earlier that T-Bills is subject to Supply and Demand, so is USD.
When we import so much of Chinese Goods in USA, we pay the Chinese in USD. Now, we have too much USD in Supply, which will reduce the price of USD and make the imports more expansive for the average consumers. So, we encourage the Chinese to trade these extra USD for T-Bills. Also, it is good for China as it keeps the imports competitive rather than expansive.
We allowed the same to Japan, and then they got carried away, so we devalued the USD five times against the Japanese Yen, thus making Japanese products too expensive to purchase.
Thus, T-Bills are used for Budget Deficit and to soak up extra USD. With a massive Budget Deficit of around 11 Trillion USD over the years and soaking up too many USD, we have now realized that for the Empire to survive USD cannot be the only currency for trading.
The world economy has become too massive. The T-Bills are becoming worthless.
So, in the past we used to overthrow the likes of Saddam Hussain, who even dreamed of replacing USD as the only trading currency. Today we are discreetly encouraging this for the survival of the Empire. This is Obama end game and for Putin to help him, Obama has to pay back something to Putin in return, like Syria and Ukraine.
Best regards,
Mohamed
I tried hard to view the video but could only get a little way in, so forgive me for not responding to it but rather to the comments.
I disagree slightly with Nora in her statement that the US has always been about empire, notwithstanding the ongoing travesty against native people (I live in one of the enclaves still fighting that fight). What I read here and elsewhere convinces me that the rot really began in the 80’s when integrity and morality went out the window.
For that reason I disagree with Saker, again slightly and with great respect, that it is all about capitalism. Capitalism is only a tool, and in former times integrity and morality put restraints on the capitalism, just as they ought to do on the tool of communism.
I go back to the emergence of ancient Greece as an empire – Both Plato and Thucydides point out that it isn’t the system that is at fault but rather the ethical rot that has happened, lust for power, greed – moral issues at the very heart of corrupt persons gaining power. Words cease to mean what they should mean and are prostituted to power as is the system by which power was gained.
It might be small comfort, but we get great writing and great art in times like these. And great music.
Two excellent videos of everyday Americans standing up to bigotry.
ABC’s what would you do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hHUQ0Lp6v4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbWmBUONtFY
mindfriedo
Saker,
History is replete with fall and rise of the empires.
My question to all of you is it possible to even contemplate a future without the empire system ?
How will it be possible ?
US started as a rebellion against the British but ultimately turned into an empire of itself.
The USSR started as a better alternative to the Czarist system but it too ended as an empire.
Is it possible for human beings to come to something better ?
Also how empires come into being in the first place ?
Take care
Debanjan
“mindfriedo on 15 May, 2014 16:02 said…
Two excellent videos of everyday Americans standing up to bigotry.
Salam Mindfriedo,
The reason America is such a great country, because its’ people are great. :)
99.9% people are great everywhere. It is one rotten apple, which spoils the whole barrel.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Thanks
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
This pamphlet explores in great detail why and how empires rise and fall.
I do however disagree that empires are always bad, though many have been horrific. Would you say that China under Mao was better off than American Taiwan, British Hong Kong, or Portuguese Macau?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE
“Alright, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us???”
Many nations are currently empires: China, Russia, USA, Mexico, Canada, Iraq, Israel, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, and so many more because the basic right of self-determination is denied to many within the metropole. At some point if humanity is to survive its follies, tribalism must cease and all humans recognize they are one and the same. But that goes directly against our fundamental genetic make-up, so the only way to overcome that obstacle is through building a globalized culture capable of trampling that deviance, which first of all must be recognized as a deviance–a mortal deviance.
Hi Nora,
This is how the Oligarch loot the country.
In most countries, the utilities companies, such as electricity, water, telephone and so forth, which are monopolies are owned by the people of the country. As these are very capital extensive companies, the outlay is made by the government and the masses are provided these services at highly discounted prices.
Not to Adam Smith. No these monopolies should be privatized and then subject to regulation. Thus, USA being the Capitalist Country, these monopolies were privatized, but subject to State and Federal Regulations.
Starting 1980’s, Europe started giving these companies to Oligarch for almost for nothing. And, then the Oligarch charging the masses outrageous prices, thus creating austerities measures. Same happened to Russia, during Yeltsin years. They work country at a time, and now it is time for Ukraine.
Giving away the Wealth of the Country to Oligarch for nothing.
Best regards,
Mohamed.
juliana,
I think I get your point, but could you please explain it a bit further? Things did get exponentially worse under Reagan, absolutely, but don’t you think there was really only a brief window of progress before that? Also, I admit close-to-complete ignorance about the various peoples experienced Greece as she expanded but by the time Hellenistic culture had really taken hold, Greece’s military power was already over, wasn’t it? I’m totally out of my element here, and still just trying to figure out how the right to self-determination can be expressed when faced with other, far more powerful forces. That, to me, is the crux of it bc people being people, those driven by a lust for power tend to already be corrupt, hence the need for constraints on how it is exercised. (Yes, Lord Acton, but of course he had no suggestions as to what to do about it.)
Dear The Saker,
The film sums it up. Thanks for posting.
Rgds,
Veritas
Finally had a chance to view the video. Not bad. At the end, the music was of Phillip Glass, from the film Koyaanisqatsi. A film of pictures that ended with this paragraph:
Koyaanisqatsi
ko-yaa-nis-qatsi (from the Hopi language)
1. crazy life 2. life in turmoil 3. life out of balance 4. life disintegrating 5. a state of life that calls for another way of living.
There is so much superb stuff on this thread I’m going to need the rest of my life to digest and absorb it all. For real.
Meanwhile, can I throw out another question? Private property and growth seem to be the underlying constructs of capitalism; I’m sure there are others but please bear with me here. Native Americans, for example, didn’t *have* either concept and were able to maintain a decent standard of living for every tribal member, at least until the white man destroyed them and their world. Also, I’m remembering that Socialism, or at least Social Democracy, worked well in Scandinavia. So my question is, what really is wrong with that kind of approach, if in fact “growth” is not as strong but people are well cared for?
Song,
I just wish I had a mind like yours. I’m going to re-read your comments another five times or so, try to file and sort them and then maybe be able to articulate a question. Maybe.
” Nora on 15 May, 2014 19:43 said…
Also, I’m remembering that Socialism, or at least Social Democracy, worked well in Scandinavia. So my question is, what really is wrong with that kind of approach, if in fact “growth” is not as strong but people are well cared for?.
Dearest Nora,
Nothing wrong. This is what the religion is all about. Prince of Peace Jesus (as) showed us that with four fish, one can feed 10,000 people if the will is there. Soup kitchens are testaments to this.
Unfortunately, with the death of communism, it killed socialism too. Socialism (religion), a compromise between capitalism and communism. The oligarchs destroyed both Socialism and Christianity, and now they are pushing the envelope on Islam too.
You should read Dr. Ali Shariati, a very compassionate and emotional writer.
http://www.shariati.com/bio.html
Best regards,
Mohamed.
Mohamed,
Mr. Nora says hi and will be quite interested in what you said here. It’s pretty much what he’s always believed in, though it’s been awfully lonely for a while now — to the point where he has to think twice before even bringing it up.
Glubb Pasha, the famous British adventurer, general and historian, pointed out that the average lifespan of an empire has been around 250 years. Empires rise and fall with remarkable consistency and according to a predictable pattern. According to Glubb Pasha’s thesis, the time of the American Empire is just about up, and the cycle seems to be proceeding right on schedule…
http://www.rexresearch.com/glubb/glubb-empire.pdf
-yt said…
Good video. I disagree with the written statement from Chris Hedges at the end of it though. The problem is not capitalism per se (imo), but Big Government and the Empire which forms it when in decline.
-yt
Capitalism, especially in it’s present day form and Big Government, are essentially one and the same. It’s same bunch of corrupt elites running the both aspects of the same disgusting system. Ever notice how so many senior politicians and regulators go to work for Wall Street or as corporate lobbyists after retiring from their government jobs? Or how Big Business routinely bribes and pressures Big Government into re-writing the laws and regulations on it’s behalf? Just look at the behavior of companies like Disney (Mickey Mouse Protection Act, anyone?), Monsanto and Enron. As Oswald Spengler and Smedley Butler both pointed out nearly a century ago, Big Business and Big Government are simply two sides of the same coin. Spengler pointed out that every democracy eventually gets hijacked by the moneyed interests, so that the system rots from within.
@Enrique, 15 May, 2014 22:59
You only quoted my first short comment. Please read my other two longer posts on that topic right here in the comments, so i do not have to repeat myself.
“Capitalism, especially in it’s present day form and Big Government, are essentially one and the same.”
Sorry but that is just wrong. My take on that is written in said posts.
Actually, while calling the sick system we live in now ‘capitalism’ you play into the hands of our oppressors. Why? Because labeling the status quo ‘capitalism’ wraps the situation we exist in into something inevitable and unchangeable. They can go: ‘*shrug*, what can we do, this is just capitalism ..’
Everything else you wrote is right as these are facts. Anyway, this is better called oligarchy-something or even fascism. Just don’t call this all broadly ‘capitalism’. The same applies when ofiicials/media/people call the US-style government system so many ‘western’ countries sport a ‘democracy’ when in fact it is a (hollowed out and abused) republic with not much of a democratic influence at all.
We do not exist in a (remotely pure) capitalist economy and we do not live in democracies. Only when we are able to clearly see what happens around us and are able to call it what it is, are we able to try to change things for the better.
Alas, i have no hope for the near future.
-yt.
P.S. I don’t know Blogger, but i am _sure_ there must be some way for you to influence the captchas. These black and white inverse things are not readable at all. There are so many different types of captchas out there, all of them easy to read, but your blog only shows these very annoying ones.
@Mohammad
Dr Shariati was brilliant
Mindfriedo
Anyway, this is better called oligarchy-something or even fascism.
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It would be a strange kind of fascism, indeed, since fascism was the merger of the State and Corporations’ powers, BUT under the control of the State, NOT of the Corporations.
In fact, in Italy Mussolini did nationalize the banks. In America (and elsewhere in the Demonocratic Empire), the banks have privatized the State.