Okay, let’s be clear. I am not Muslim. I oppose terrorism. I don’t even support the death penalty. I loathe Takfirism. I oppose violence as a means to make a political or ethical point. I fully support freedom of speech, including critical speech and humor.
But this morning I am most definitely NOT Charlie.
In fact, I am disgusted and nauseated by the sick display of collective hypocrisy about the murders in France. Here is why:
Charlie Hebdo for the Darwin Awards
The folks at Charlie Hebdo had it coming. Here is what I wrote about them in September 2012 when they published their famous caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed: Worthy of the Darwin Awards, if you ask me. Excellent, the “gene pool” of the French “caviar-Left” badly needs some cleaning“. Today I fully stand by my words.
Just a stupid dare?
Let me ask you this: what would be the point of, say, taking a nap on train tracks? You don’t have to “agree” with the train which will run you over, but it still will, won’t it? What about taking a nap on train tracks specifically to make a point? To prove that the train is bad? To dare it? To make fun of it? Would that not be the height of stupidity? And yet, that is *exactly* what Charlie Hebdo did. I would even argue that that his how Charlie Hebdo made it’s money, daring the “Muslim train” to run them over. You think I am exaggerating? Check out the caricature which one of the folks who got murdered yesterday had just posted. The text reads: “Still no terrorist attacks in France – Wait, we have until the end of January to send you are best wishes“. The crazy person shown in the drawing is packing a Kalashnikov and wearing an Afghan “Pakol” – the typical “crazy Muslim” in Charlie Hebdo’s world. Talk about a stupid dare…
“Spitting in people’s souls”
There is an expression in Russian: spitting in somebody’s soul. It fully applies here. Muslims worldwide have be unambiguously clear about that. They take blasphemy very, very seriously, as they do the name of the Prophet and the Quran. If you want to really offend a Muslim, ridicule his Prophet or his Holy Book. That is not a secret at all. And when Charlie Hebdo published their caricatures of the Prophet and when they ridiculed him the a deliberately rude and provocative manner, they knew what they were doing: they were very deliberately deeply offending 1.6 billion Muslims world wide. Oh, and did I mention that in Islam blasphemy is a crime punishable by death? Well, it turns out that of 1.6 billion Muslims exactly three decided to take justice in their own hands and kill the very deliberately blaspheming Frenchmen. You don’t have to be Muslim or to approve of the death penalty for blasphemy to realize that this was inevitable and that this has nothing to do with Islam as a religion. Offend any group as large as 1.6 billion and sooner or later you will find 1-5 folks willing to use violence to make you pay for it. This is a statistical inevitability.
Are some victims more equal then others?
So 12 deliberately “soul spitting blasphemers” were murdered and all of France is in deep mourning. The media worldwide does such a good job presenting it all as a planetary disaster that many thousands people worldwide say “I am Charlie”, sob, light candles and take a “courageous” stance for freedom of speech.
Crocodile tears if you ask me.
The Empire’s freedom fighter
The fact is that the AngloZionists have carefully and lovingly nurtured, organized, armed, financed, trained, equipped and even directed the Takfiri crazies for decades. From the war in Afghanistan to Syria today these murderous psychopaths have been the foot-soldiers of the AngloZionist Empire for decades. But, apparently, nobody cares about their victims in Afghanistan, in Bosnia, in Chechnia, in Kosovo, in Libya, in Kurdistan, in Iraq or elsewhere. There these liver-eating murderers are “freedom fighters” who get full support. Including from the very same media which today is in mourning over Charlie Hebdo. Apparently, in the western ethos some victims are more equal then others.
And when is the last time somebody in Europe shed a single tear over the daily murders of innocent people in the Donbass whose murder is paid for and directly directed by the western regimes?
How stupid do they think we are?
And then this. Even a drooling idiot knew that Charlie Hebdo was THE prime target for that kind of attack. And I promise you that French cops are not drooling idiots. Yet, for some reason, they were nowhere to be seen that day. Only a van with two (or one?) cop was parked nearby (hardly an anti-terrorist protection detail) and one poor cop was shot and then executed with an AK shot to the head while he was begging for mercy. Is this the best the French state can do?
Hardly.
So what is going on here? I will tell you what – the EU 1%ers are now capitalizing on these murders to crack down on their own population. Sarkozy already met Hollande and they both agreed that new levels of firmness and vigilance need to be implemented. Does that not reek of a French 9/11?
So no, I am most definitely NOT Charlie this morning and I am disgusted beyond words with the obscene display of doubleplusgoodthinking “solidarity” for a group of “caviar-lefties” who made their money spitting in the souls of billions of people and then dared them to do something about it. And I am under no illusion whatsoever about the fact that cui bono clearly indicates that the French regime either organized it all, or let it happen or, at the very least, makes maximal political use of it all.
But most of all, I am disgusted with all those who play along and studiously avoid asking the right questions about all this. I guess they really are “Charlies” all of them.
I am not.
The Saker
I call BULLSHIT on your claim to not be a Muslim, for only a Muslim, or someone raised as one, would not understand the principle of freedom of speech. As you say, Muslims take blasphmey very seriously, in fact it is punshable by death in Islam. But France is NOT a Muslim country, it does NOT have Muslim laws in its constitution, it is NOT ruled by Sharia law. So there is NO justification for the murder of anyone under Islamic doctrine for blasphemy. You claim to be intelligent, so it would not have escaped your notice that it was a Frenchman, Voltaire, that said, ” I do not agree with what you say, but i will defend to the death your right to say it “. This is one of the core beliefs of French society, that and Liberty, Equality, Fraternity. If you do not agree with these principles, then go back to where you or your religion comes from, and practice what you wish there. Another reason i regard your claim to be non Muslim as BULLSHIT, is that you have exhibited the very Muslim propensity to blame the victims of Islamic terrorism, as a excuse for Islamic terrorism. We see this all the time in the media statement and releases from Muslim orginisations, everything is the Jews, or the western nations fault, because they will not allow the current Muslim atrocity makers the right to persecute, oppress or murder their intended victims, or real victims. The proof of this is your repeated term ” Anglozionist ” , as if these two groups are really one, whose sole purpose is the repression of Muslims, and domination of the world. I am of Anglo background, i buy jewish products, am i a Anglozionist in your eyes??, intent on world domination, the idea is ridiculous, and only has credibility with Muslims and other anti-semites. Finally, your claim that this murder of 12 people has nothing to do with Islam, this is classic Muslim Taqiyya, lying to protect Islam. Since 9/11 there have been 24,809 Muslim terrorist attacks worldwide, in fact over 99% of all terrorist attacks are done by Muslims. Over 260,000 people dead, mostly Muslims, but you would have us believe that this has nothing to do with Islam either by your criteria. As you are willing to engage in Taqiyya in this respect, then i can have no doubt in your willingness to lie about your true faith and proclaim that you are, 1/ not Muslim, 2/ anti terrorism, 3/ oppose violence, because all that you have written in this piece has done nothing but justify all three of these actions. In other words, you are the enemy of free speech, the enemy of civilisation, the enemy of non Muslims who wish to live their lives as such. Here is what a real ex Muslim thinks, somone who actually values freedom, liberty, the truth, take note of how they actually backed up their reasoning with factual references, not just personal religious predjuices.
http://aina.org/news/20150108000006.htm
Actually, i thought my comments to be quite moderate, given the context, apologetics for the cold blooded murder of 12 people for the crime of publishing drawings. Now we see that this attack was not just one, that more people have died, who are unrelated to Charlie Hebdo, that the murderers were organised and funded in Yemen by Islamic terrorists, for by their own admission, for insulting the prophet.
I would normally fully expect a retraction and apology from The Saker for their apologetics, but now knowing that they are Muslim, i will not hold my breath.
In my opinion, an apologist for terrorism, is an enabler of terrorism, and is equivalent to being a terrorist themselves. I think that fully justifies “strong” language, don’t you ??
“But most of all, I am disgusted with all those who play along and studiously avoid asking the right questions about all this.”
This is why I read The Saker. His point of view is invaluable to all those who care about the truth in a world of P.R., Propaganda and outright bullshit.
As I said in my deleted post,thanks,it is an *AZ test* like taking out a pawn with a bishop,see what he does next.The USSA doesn’t do diplomacy anymore,just filthy tricks and false flags.I didn’t like seeing the head of a woman in that fighter’s paws either,thanks again.
XbNB
I would believe that France truly respects and guarantees freedom of speech and expression – if this same newspapers can make cartoon of the dead black teenager in Ferguson comparing him with a monkey and the holocaust victims comparing them to pests.
After all this is their meaning of free speech – you insult someone’s most touchy subject. Then may be all other newspapers can print a copy of the same cartoon.
BTW, on that same day over 100 Nigerians were murdered by Boko Haram. I don’t see anyone turning Nigerian to defy those terrorists.
Here’s a great video – great music https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KC7dGnOZv4A
Thanks for the video. I couldn’t understand the verbal language but I got the music, poetry and terrific pictures, especially of Putin. He’s the man, as is most evident when he’s surrounded by beautiful women. The man and his belle; sexy as heaven in hell.
Very good article from the Mirror-Saker
Freedom of Speech = Freedom to Ridicule, Terrorist = Freedom Fighter,
Freedom of Choice = The freedom of the wealthy to choose
Freedom of Democracy = Oxymoron
Freedom of petition = The freedom to be rejected.
Freedom of the market = freedom to destroy cultures, steal lands, steal industries etcetera.
Property Rights = The right to keep stolen property.
Corrupt 3rd world Governments = Subservient Governments.
Extremist = Crazy Counterproductive Murdering Brainwashed Psychopaths (who does the brainwashing we don’t know.)
Sovereign Country = Big powerful western country who can decide to kill or oppress smaller countries at will.
There is only one freedom, the freedom to oppress, everything else is irrelevant. This is why I am not Charlie, Charlie doesn’t exist.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/meet-the-three-american-families-bankrolling-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-9966074.html
More than 90 per cent of the recent campaign contributions collected by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came from the US, official records show. In previous campaigns, around half of his campaign funding has come from just three American families.
Mr Netanyahu last week easily won his Likud Party’s election to select a prime ministerial candidate – easily overcoming his nearest challenger, former deputy defence minister Danny Danon. The 65-year-old Mr Netanyahu is now gearing up for the general election, due to be held on March 17.
Records from Israel’s State Comptroller Office and collated by Buzzfeed.com show that Mr Netanyahu raised around 1m shekels (roughly £166,000), for his primary campaign. Around 90 per cent of this came from the US.
Public records show this fits with previous elections campaigns. In the past, almost half of his funding has come from three American families – the Falic family of Florida which owns the Duty Free Americas airport shops, the Schottenstein family, owners of the American Eagle Outfitters fashion chain, and the Book family of New Jersey, owners of Jet Support Systems.
i remember a while ago when terrorists killed more than 30 people in russia’s volgograd how english guardian was cheering and celebrating…no single word of sympathy or condolences to the victims and its families…no je suis russia or anything else, no condemnation of terrorism, it was all in the manner of ‘it is for chechnia, it is well deserved, it is a message to putin’…we are dealing with pathological cases in the western countries…
Perhaps your English is not as good as it could be, since there seems to be a confusion here about the saying: “They had it coming”.
I believe that in the 21st century, if you still have mass ideology, hallowed as a religion, which holds that blasphemy and heresy are literally punishable by death, and which induces some of its followers to skip due process and act as judge, jury and executioner, and to carry out the sentence with no due process, the least that that religion deserves is to be made fun of.
Those maimed, burned and tortured to death by the Inquisitions, Witchhunts, etc., of various “Christian” mind-control organs of social control, by the same logic, could also be said to “have had it coming.”
But do we really want to go there?
Those who feel a need for a death penalty to apply to those who question their religion must have deep feelings of insecurity and a lack of confidence in their own belief systems.
Those who are so upset and angry at having their religion questioned are manifesting the profoundest disrespect of their own beliefs.
Otherwise, they would merely feel a deep sorrow for those who fail to share the benefits of their beautiful superstitions.
The democratic revolution and the enlightenment are much about creating freedom of religion and freedom from religious domination.
But as far back as the New Testament, Jesus instructs us not to pray in public, because if you do, you may be praying so that others see you pray, rather than to communicate with the deity, and then you will receive a different reward.
So even at the center of Christian preachings is that religion should be a private matter, not imposed by pressure to conform, that is, to blend in with the dictates of the state.
Now, by preaching such things, and overturning the money changers’ tables in the temple,, or claiming that he, not Herod, was the righteous king of the Jews, did Jesus know what the inevitable punishment would be, and did he therefore “have it coming”?
Now I am not equating the message of the George Hebdo publishers with Jesus, real or mythological.
But it will intimidate public expression generally and probably serve as a provocation of an intensified police state, adding to an anti-Islamic paranoia, reinforcing the mentality of the Pamela Gellers, Robert Spencer, and let’s not forget Anders Behring Breivik, of Norwegian massacre fame.
It will further deform in a fascistic direction the remnants of a democratic republic, and cloud the very concept.
The perpetrators, judging by their military precision, may have been false-flag commandos, manipulated by the major imperialists, or sincere lone nuts.
Even in the latter case, they are part of the social phenomenon that unites Jihadis in the Mideast particularly in Syria with Nazis in the Ukraine’s western annex, under the direction ironically of the imperialists-zionist alliance.
Finally, some other curious circumstances.
Reportedly, the alleged perpetrators (who may be Oswald-type “Patsies”, we don’t know yet) were supposedly under terrorist watch by French Police (not usually as incompetent as, say, the doughnut wolfing NYPD).
Reportedly, the Hebdo staff were all under Police protection after numerous death threats – a double failure.
And the crowed gathering within minutes to memorialize the victims had these ready-made signs “JE SUIS GEORGIE”, which also appeared very soon in New York’s Union Square.
These signs also bore an almost subliminal double message, with the “JE SUIS” part suggesting “Jesus”, possibly psychologically intensifying the religious polarization pitting “Christians” against “Muslims”.
I agree that much of the mourning by imperialist beneficiaries is outrageously hypocritical and fake.
@These signs also bore an almost subliminal double message, with the “JE SUIS” part suggesting “Jesus”, possibly psychologically intensifying the religious polarization pitting “Christians” against “Muslims”
This is most likely BS. The emphatic endorsement of “Charlie” “values” by a growing number of patsies is an indication that the anti-Christian line promoted by Charlie must continue unabated.
“The Communist newspaper l’Humanité wrote categorically that “the NF has no place” at the demonstration planned by the Lefto-Charlists for Sunday.
Charlie Hebdo: Marine Le Pen’s natural enemy
The satirical paper, victim of Wednesday’s terrorist attack, along with the Canard Enchaîné, another left-wing satirical publication, are without a doubt the worst enemies of the extreme right movement, which often finds itself the subject of their ridicule.
Charlie Hebdo has consistently fought the National Front, publishing many caricatures of Marine Le Pen and her father. It may therefore seem paradoxical that the attack on Hebdo should benefit the NF. But the party’s Facebook page has seen an explosion of activity this week, gaining 5,000 followers; an increase of 383%.
You may expect clashes with the NF!
@Now, by preaching such things, and overturning the money changers’ tables in the temple,, or claiming that he, not Herod, was the righteous king of the Jews, did Jesus know what the inevitable punishment would be, and did he therefore “have it coming”?
Yes, He knew and said that to His disciples repeatedly. So, your question falls flat on its face.
In regards the right of “free speech.”
In the US, free speech means freedom ONLY from retaliation by government entities for speech made regarding government. (Of course, from even before the false-flag operation of 9-11, this right was being rapidly degraded to theoretical status.)
Terrorists, by definition of the dominant world governments, are specifically NON-government entities.
It is not clear why anyone (Hebdo and its supporters) with the apparent negative opinion of Islam, and, to their credit, also catholicism and judaism, would assume they are protected from retaliation by non-government actors whose religion they (rather brutally) caricature.
Perhaps for some, getting assassinated*** by those you lampoon is the ultimate proof of effectiveness. But, the world is in grave need of ridding itself of the vicious, superstitious gateway drug to authoritarianism that is religion.
It is not clear how portraying the primary symbols of those religions, as did/does Hebdo, really deliver to enlightenment the rank & file religion slaves sincerely devoted to those symbols.
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*** IF it was assassination. I fully agree with the notion that Hebdo was an opportune and convenient target for a non-religious entity
Saker, I disagree with you on this.
Once upon a time human society was static. If you was born as a Muslim you died as a Muslim and if you was born as Christian you died as a Christian – in the same sect. In that context it is seen a basic civility to respect the religion of the other.
North-west Europe however solved its medieval religion wars with freedom. You are allowed to say that the religion of the other guy is criminal or satanic nonsense. Charlie Hebdo takes this to an extreme, but it stays perfectly inside the law.
“I am Charlie” is about keeping this freedom and not adopting the medieval culture of the Middle East.
Calling the other guy’s religion criminal or satanic nonsense is the same thing as calling his nationality or ethnicity criminal or satanic, as far as being provocative and hostile goes.
A person’s religion is a deep part of his culture and identity, Mocking it is NOT OKAY. And please don’t say it’s ok because they mocked every religion equally. That makes it worse. In situations like, for example, Northern Ireland, where Catholic vs Protestant was part of an ancient enmity, they had that excuse for mocking each other’s religion.
For a magazine to be “equal opportunity” mockers and insulters, they are doing it ONLY for the insult value. Funny they were not; of the ones I’ve see not a single one was even half way funny. It was all insult. Puerile and vulgar as well.
KatKan wrote “Calling the other guy’s religion criminal or satanic nonsense is the same thing as calling his nationality or ethnicity criminal or satanic, as far as being provocative and hostile goes.'”
That depends how you look at religion. Many religions implicitly or explicitly tell you that they have the truth and that all other religions are false and that their followers will go to hell. Religious freedom means that you respect this too.
Religion is partially cultural identity but it is also partially an ideology. And nobody is worried when people say something bad about ideology like that communism is enslaving people, that capitalism is keeping people stupid or that neoliberalism is robbing people.
You would say that all religions are equivalent and “a basic civility (is) to respect the religion of the other”. The demonization of the “Other” reside only in our minds.This is the Talmudic/Freudo/Leftie line.
But what when a religion like Islam has at its very core that it is permissible, even a duty to kill or enslave the Christians because they are perverting the “Abrahamic religion”?
“Rebel children, I urge you, fight the turgid slick of conformity with which they seek to smother your glory.”
“A small minority cannot control an uncooperative majority, so they must be distracted, divided, tyrannized, or anesthetized into compliance.”
― Russell Brand, Revolution
so, is there a vast difference between Paris terrorists and such people as Russell Brand, each on one side of the Mobius loop of non-conformity, is such liberal thought irresponsible in our current society?
I thought France regards reporters as valid targets?
It was good to kill 19 TV reporters in the attack on Serbian TV station in 1999, and now it is suddenly wrong to kill 12 French reporters.
To make it worse, Serbian reporters did not dare and offend anyone, which means that NATO (and France) are worst then terrorists.
Hi Saker, also mocking the North Korean great leader qualifies for the Darwin awards?
I usually love your posts, but your comment about the Darwin awards is despicable and mean.
RE: my own personal opinion is that anybody who believes in death to “blasphemers” is bug-nuts irrational. Crazy as an out-house mouse.
Unlike death to …. Insert US kill list here…… When you sleep with the dogs, expect to one day to find your nuts missing when they get a tad too hungry..
Je comprends le point de vue, je comprends que les sociétés occidentales ont des responsabilités dans la déstabilisation des sociétés musulmanes qu’ils ont colonisés ou envahit pour des motifs contestables, je comprends qu’on puisse penser que la compassion envers Charlie Hebdo est exagérée ou manque de nuance, mais je ne peux pas adhérer. Cet article de “The Slater” est à vomir de connerie et ça nie les bases même de la liberté, notamment de la liberté d’expression, et plus spécifiquement celle de la presse satirique. Manifestement, comme les terroristes islamistes, l’auteur de cet article ne comprend rien à tout cela. Oui Charlie Hebdo se moque de l’islam, comme il se moque du christianisme, d’autres religions ou même d’autres idées ou personnalités politiques. Mais seuls les musulmans qui appliquent l’Islam comme des abrutis réactionnaires et fondamentalistes réagissent aussi violemment à ce genre de “provocations”. C’est trop facile de dire que l’Islam ou le Coran ne tolère pas le blasphème pour justifier une censure que devraient s’appliquer les caricaturistes. Le Christianisme non plus ne tolère pas le blasphème en théorie. De nombreux musulmans ou chrétiens sont choqués par certains articles ou certaines caricatures du Charlie Hebdo, mais ils ne tuent personne en réaction à ça, et beaucoup d’autres en rigolent, car il ne faut pas oublier que la presse satirique existe justement pour pouvoir rire de sujets sérieux !!! Si on n’accepte pas ça, on ne comprend rien aux sociétés occidentales, on ne comprend rien aux droits de l’Homme issus du siècle des Lumières et des révolutions américaine et française, on ne comprend rien à la France ni à l’esprit de liberté qui l’anime… et on n’a donc rien à faire en France !!!! Il y a plein de pays d’intolérance, de barbarie et de censure pour ceux qui refusent la liberté et préfèrent vivre sous une dictature politique ou religieuse. Pourquoi les Merah ou Kouachi ne sont pas allé vivre en Algérie, en Iran, en Afghanistan ou en Arabie Saoudite, puisqu’ils se sentent si différents des valeurs françaises et occidentales, puisqu’ils souhaitent vivre un Islam radical ?? Peut-on me dire que la religion chrétienne ou autre est respectée et que la sécurité de leurs adeptes est assurée dans ces pays là ??? Evidemment non ! Si on regarde bien la lettre même du Coran et le droit qui en découle, à savoir la charia, et ce donc depuis l’existence même du prophète Mahommed, il établit de nombreuses et utiles règles de vie en société, il organise les liens sociaux et mêmes intimes, il prône des idées d’amour de son prochain et de respect mutuel, comme beaucoup d’autres religions, MAIS seulement entre musulmans (sans parler de la place des femmes musulmanes dans les textes islamiques). L’Islam préconise littéralement le djihad contre les mécréants et toutes les autres religions. Ne peut-on pas accepter de l’Islam ce qu’il a de progressiste et refuser ce qu’il a de barbare et d’intolérant ? Bien sûr que si, et ce n’est même pas une option, c’est la seule solution pour rendre compatibles les valeurs de l’Islam avec les sociétés judéo-chrétiennes et avec leurs droits fondamentaux, y compris la liberté d’expression de la presse satirique. Charlie Hebdo ne s’est jamais moqué de ce que l’Islam a de progressiste, de ses valeurs de partage, non, il s’est moqué à raison de sa part d’obscurantisme !! Comment peut-on trouver là le moyen de justifier le fait de tuer des dessinateurs, des journalistes, des policiers ??? Au risque de me répéter, cet article est à vomir…
Oui, et très bien dit.
Yes, and very well said.
Indeed, this article could make one puke.
Did you mean: Charlie was not progressive. Charlie shared nothing with Islam. Charlie shared only the western “value” of superiority, of looking down and insulting those he considers inferior… and expected them to lie down and put up with it. Any by doing this Charlie was encouraging others to mock Islam and hate them. Then one secret service (we do not know yet which one) found two young men, already brainwashed and trained, to do this murder to increase the hate…. so that the government can make more laws to restrict the freedoms of everyone. This is happening all over the world, every time a government wants to toughen the laws. In Canada in October they sacrificed only one soldier. In France that would not be enough. So they found victims who ” the terrorists would hate”. Then they found and killed them, so they can never tell who ordered them to do this murder.
Charlie ne était pas progressive. Charlie partageait rien avec l’islam. Charlie partagée que la «valeur» de la supériorité occidentale, de regarder vers le bas et insulter ceux qu’il considère inférieure … et se attendait à coucher et mettre en place avec elle. Tout en faisant cela Charlie voulait encourager les autres à se moquer de l’islam et de la haine entre eux.
Puis, un service secret (nous ne savons pas encore lequel) a trouvé deux jeunes hommes, déjà endoctrinés et formés, pour ce faire assassiner pour augmenter la haine …. de sorte que la governmednt peut faire plus de lois pour restreindre les libertés de chacun. Ce qui se passe partout dans le monde, chaque fois qu’un gouvernement veut durcir les lois.
Au Canada, en Octobre ils ont sacrifié un seul soldat. En France ce ne serait pas suffisant. Donc, ils ont trouvé les victimes qui “les terroristes haine».
Puis ils ont trouvé et les ont tués, ils ne peuvent jamais dire qui leur a ordonné de le faire assassiner.
@cet article est à vomir
Oh, la, la!
Charlie Hebdo est a vous faire chier!
The product of the mentally arrested adolescents of 1968 growing senile!
Saker, I have noticed a connection between the Nork/Sony incident and the Charlie Hebdo incident: in both cases, the official narrative responded by hollering about ‘free speech’. Nork/Sony smelled like a false-flag from the start; I am still not sure about Charlie Hebdo. What is going on here?
If I may be allowed to speculate, more and more people are getting tired of the ‘freedom agenda’ and the humanitarian imperialism excuses for invading other countries (or doing covert régime-change ops). So maybe now they will tell us to accept more such interventions in order to protect our own rights at home. The irony, of course, is that they will use the excuse of protecting our rights in order to further strengthen the police state. Someday soon we’ll all be getting cavity-searched at the airport, and the system will smile and say, ‘Hey, freedom isn’t free, ya know!’
There always is a connection. Always check back a few weeks, maybe up to 6 weeks, to see what that country has been doing. Who did they talk with? make deals with? refuse to make deals with? if they did something like, say, recognise Palestine, then the “happening” is punishment, and not designed by their own services.
If they are just talking about new legislation — domestic security or military spending — then it is to scare the population into accepting it. Then their services ordered it, even if perhaps a “friendly partner” did the actual work.
@connection between the Nork/Sony incident and the Charlie Hebdo incident: in both cases, the official narrative responded by hollering about ‘free speech’
Excellent observation!
You’ll notice how quickly the blathering about “freedom of speech” changed to denouncing “antisemitism”.
Oh, and by the way, the new blog looks fantastic, Saker! I expect great stuff from you in the new year. Keep up the good work!
Dear The Saker,
I am definately not Charlie.
There is now a counter # saying “I am Ahmed” due to the police officer who was murdered protecting the very same magazine staff who ridiculed and trashed his beliefs but he still protected them and died.
At the same time 50 young men died in Yemen and 66 were injured – where is the sympathy for them – the outrage etc?
Rgds,
Veritas
For anybody with troubles understanding what Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine is about – that includes you for sure, dear Saker ;-) – this article by Vow gives a good summary and context, with series of examples of drawings, including translations to English.
http://www.vox.com/2015/1/7/7507883/charlie-hebdo-explained-covers
Honestly, reading the comments there, a lot of people should read this column.
Best to all.
The truly shocking thing is the dearth of questioning, even in so-called “alternative” news sites. The official Charlie Hebdo narrative barely hangs together coherently. It begs to be deconstructed and analysed, But Infowars and its ilk eschew all that in favour of stoking anti-Moslem hate.
If nothing else “Je Suis Charlie” is demonstrating the extent to which we are losing genuine alternative analysis. Infiltration, confusion and fear are winning out.
From a CNN report about Charlie. My bolding of course.
Patrick Pelloux, a columnist for the magazine and also a trained paramedic, rushed to the offices when he heard about the shooting.
“I don’t know if I’m afraid anymore, because I’ve seen fear. I was scared for my friends, and they are dead,” he told CNN’s Anderson Cooper. “I know that they didn’t want us to be quiet. They wanted us to continue to fight for these values, cultural pluralism, democracy and secularism, the respect of others . They would be assassinated twice, if we remained silent.”
Insults and vulgarity is respect? hate to see what they’d do with people they DISrespect.
oh, wait…. I forgot….. it’s in newspeak.
http://www.lavanguardia.com/gente/20150109/54423153977/willy-toledo-montaje.html
According to Spanish actor Willy Toledo the photos/video of a French police being executed by one of the terrorists is a fake. Could it be? Why?
A number of sources are saying it’s fake, based on “no blood” and “see the bullet bouncing”. It seems they are expecting him to have been shot in the head, whereas he was shot in the neck, where clothing would soak up the blood.
The deaths all appear to have been genuine. The issue is were they really mad terrorists who thought this up for themselves, or did someone suggest/order it, and if so, who?
It went as expected …they discover who they are because they conveniently leave some ID behind, then they get shot and killed, so there’s still only the single story about what happened and why. And they were known terrorists the police were watching… except the day they decide to go do a mass murder.
Chatte Noire — good point.
My impression of the magazine is that it was not serious, but like someone with a bucket of pooh flinging at anyone who wore a suit, insisting it was doing an important iconoclastic function. It’s easy to mock, but much harder to put together serious deconstruction and analysis. Sure, the kids laugh at someone being splattered with pooh, and like to watch videos of chimps engaged in feces flinging, but that’s not constructive or serious — just ‘monkey business’ to appeal to our ‘monkey brains’ left over from earlier stages of evolution, and distractions to understanding.
Most of religion is not spiritual, but a window into how even the most noble of ideas and feelings can be co-opted and distorted by a wounded human psyche, as is many other ideas such as personal freedom, democracy, progress, etc.
“What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! … what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me.”
While crass cartoons masquerading as deep thought — or imperialist war as lofty phrases of democratic freedoms — may be currently all but inevitable, let us not be taken in by such displays. Flinging feces or whacking the next chimp with a big stick for insults or threatening behavior remains distinctly ignoble, unreasonable and unproductive, as are the screeches of the other chimps in reflexive reaction to it.
How many have died today in the ‘war on terror’ and imperial conquest? Will the bell toll for them?
It was a false flag; deliberate, ruthless, barbaric and conducted by the neocon power matrix. Unless the people in the west rise up to challenge, remove, charge, convict and execute these savage neocon criminals, there will be even worse and more shocking atrocities. Even Marie Le Pen seems to have fallen for the neocon con act, and she needs to brush up on her distrust for the status quo, or it will consume her.
How about a false flag operation?
French intel at least has concluded that this is no underwear bomber stunt. This is a pro job (but oh, the ID Card, semi-pro then) that happens to take place just a few days after France recognizes Palestinian statehood. And just a few days after General Hollande demanded the lifting of sanctions against the Russian “threat”. Also right on clue, a full narrative was ready for mass consumption (http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2015/01/07/un-commando-organise-et-prepare_1175841).
Sarkozy already met Hollande and they both agreed that new levels of firmness and vigilance need to be implemented. (Crackdown on citizens who disobey?) The Obama administration is already mobilizing the UN Security Council. The FBI is “helping” with the French investigation …
PARIS SHOOTING BLANKS (FAKE) Jan 7th 2015 FRENCH SATIRE With Slow Motion
France False Flag Shooting — Attackers SPLICED IN + COPS cut out + Man in bullet proof vest watches
Paris Hoax Shooting Blown Wide Open blood added later in wrong place 100% debunked as Fake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_i6XeanJFA
video deleted,terms of service or chicken dinnered.
I don’t know which video it is that was deleted on YouTube but you may be referring to the video which we have posted here.
Why doesn’t Europe care about Russian journalists? Because Europe doesn’t care about Russian journalists, or any other journalists. Europe doesn’t care much about Russians to begin with. And that animosity has been around for a very long time.
What happened in France was horrible. Islamists will take this and go as far as they can with it. I remember some time ago asking a fellow employee from Afghanistan about Islam. He gave me a stern look and said, “Our religion is a very violent religion. You check our history you’ll see its beginnings were very violent.” We never brought that subject up again.
As for freedom of speech, many things are written and said here in the states, about Russians and Putin. Putin is mocked and ridiculed all the time. But no violence has occured. They take it in stride. That’s why I feel Putin is a true formidable leader of his country. And he earns my deepest respect. P.S. Also Lavrov (my favorite.)
This french ‘event’ had to have been timed to add to the cacophony of hysteric screaming lunatics
already baying for blood with the new years announcement of the trial going ahead with jury selection for the remaining (alive) patsy tsarnaev brother in baa-ston.
Many sites are giving amazing detailed analysis, digital enhancement & deductive logic analysis of this french ff.
Dave aka X22 has a detailed vid up u-tube last night 8th analysing it.
Breaking Down The False Flag Event In Paris – Episode 561
willyloman.wordpress.com has a 9th update analysis.
jimstonefreelance has a very good updated 9th analysis.
there’s alex jones, too.
[@OP] Whatever Saker…
Are you forced to live amongst these people? Or you live in some cozy yank suburb largely devoid of ‘black-tent-women + pajama-wearing-men’ neighborhood? (Mexicans/Cubans don’t count, btw. I’m quite fond of my Latin American siblings, thanks very much).
Remind me; where you’re based? If I’m not mistaken, it’s Florida – US of freaking A! Right? (Wrong?)
What is the Muslim population in the good old US? 0.4% to 0.8%, depending what sources you cite….
How about France, hmm? Numbers read: 8 %? That’s what? About X10 more than in the US?! And I’m pretty sure this French and European numbers are watered down, because the native population is pissed off as it is, and they: TPTB, don’t want to deal with uncontrollable riots (at best) nor a civil war (at worse) if the true figures were made public.
Let me tell ya… walking down the streets over here in Europe… it certainly doesn’t feel like the Muslims percentages are 8… it feels more like 25 to 30% and beyond.
Point is; it’s easy to sit on a high-horse (like the Champaign-liberals often do) if you’re not the one having to deal with the day-to-day dealings of this or that problem that us, the great unwashed, are forced [but never asked if we agree to] to deal with day in and day out.
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TL2Q
@Joel Meyers
You mentioned something that caught my interest. “Je Suis” is much like the English “Jesus” and the Greek ‘Iasous.” Sounds like a psy-op trick, especially if it appeared so shortly after the event and was disseminated so widely so quickly. Btw, the Greek name from which the English name Jesus derives was made up, based on number and letter coordination. Prior to the Americans, the Romans were master psy-operators. They probably created the Christian religion, co-opting what they found to their own interests. The more things change, the more they stay the same. When folks say “I am Charlie”, they fail to realize that unconsciously they are programmed to say “I am Jesus,” which can be construed as “I am anti-Muslim.” Hell, we are being mind-managed all the time all the way to hell. I have to manage myself if I am not to go down in the flood.
@ the Saker
Congrats on the new format. But I miss the time of a post, for tracking purposes. Perhaps it complicates things too much, and the simplicity is nice. When you get 300 comments, some kind of numbering would help bring order, maybe just a 1, 2, 3, etc for the far left column. Just my 2c’s.
I think you are almost right but then miss the point. I agree that this is a psy-op, but rather one to insult Jesus instead of Muslims. It was instigated on the date when Orthodox Christians celebrate Christ’s birth. The sign reads “Jesu is Charlie” which basically means “Jesus is the enemy”. Remember in Vietnam the term Charlie was used to identify the enemy. The Muslims did not create and distribute these signs. It’s not Islamic terrorists who wanted to place this insult but rather the psy-op agents of the empire. The attacks on the Cartoonists simply gave the opportunity to display this mocking sign worldwide on the date when Orthodoxy celebrates His birthday.
You may be right but try as I might, I can’t understand why the Empire would want to attack Christians when their actions are attacking Muslims, or using them as cannon fodder. Perhaps the Empire of Chaos is just that, and it doesn’t matter to them if the enemy is Christian or Moslem. I, too, thought of the Charlie of the Vietnam era. This incident is so bizarre. It has psycho written all over it.
It’s about creating chaos, they revel in it. Look at the situation they have created…
Instead of letting Orthodox Christians celebrate Christ’s birth around the world and let that be in the attention of the people and in the news, they have hijacked this Christian holy day and have drawn the attention of the world towards the events in France. And on top of that they are fueling hatred between Muslims and Christians using symbolic signs which have a double-minded meaning that states:
It was not those Muslim terrorists who had all these signs ready for distribution on such a short notice. Neither can they spread these images over social media and the news networks on such scale. You know who controls the news media and social networks. They have placed this message in front of the whole world on the date when Orthodox Christianity celebrates Christ’s birth. The Muslims involved were just useful tools for them.
This is how evil the sick mind of the elite is.
Your assessment is correct in my opinion. Psy-op of higher order. Very nice observation: Symbolic signs which have a double-minded meaning. For those that are convinced that evil does not exist, your words will not have any meaning and will be illogical. But the logic you described is alive and very active.
It could be more along the lines of destroying faith in general. Erase the concept of something greater than man on Earth.
Rule by God / Rule by Man
All nations, all forms of government, all groups and tribes have man wanting rule over man.
All people have larger segments wanting rule by God, rule by Law as opposed to rule by man.
The plaque is the minority of men who want to rule over men, with no restraint by the faith of rule of law, rule of God.
Seems to me the rule of the minority, who covets power over ruling man, is the problem. And it is in all people.
I too mourn any individual who paid with their life for Charlie Hebdo’s empty, soulless hipsterdom but I really don’t think free speech took any kind of hit. A bunch of folks with essentially nothing to say kept poking and prodding a population so vast and so targeted and terrorized that it would inevitably yield a handful of people willing to respond, however disproportionate.
They say Charlie poked fun at everyone: Christians, Jews, politicians. Muslims were just one target. There’s a difference however. Muslims don’t have any real power. The West has been running roughshod over their societies for decades. If I made fun of someone whose spouse is dying of cancer and called it free speech then I too could say “I am Charlie”.
It’s not like this took place in a vacuum. The West has been systematically destabilizing and destroying the Muslim world for decades where they haven’t been propping up some monarch or dictator. How many Muslims were killed just this morning from Syria to Libya to Iraq to Yemen as a direct or indirect result of Western policy? Sure it’s your right to make fun of their religion after leaving them nothing else but it’s pretty low.
Every time some Westerner provokes Muslims the noose tightens just a little bit more around the neck of Middle Eastern Christians (and even Shia Muslims outside Iran arguably). Not to mention the Sunnis who get killed in blowback 10 times as horrible as anything that happened in Paris. I despise the whole Clash of Civilizations and the folks at Charlie Hebdo chose voluntarily to be on the front lines.
And ask the comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala or the philosopher Alain Soral if there is free speech in France when you actually do criticize actual power in France.
To hell with Charlie.
“[..]They say Charlie poked fun at everyone: Christians, Jews, politicians. Muslims were just one target. There’s a difference however. Muslims don’t have any real power.”
Yeah… tell that to Saudi Wahhabis… :/
Why isn’t that site [S.A.] turned into a glass car park? It’s something that is beyond me. Same goes for the rest of the other disgusting Sunni Monarchies… btw.
Sorry, if I’m not in the best of moods to pretend to be ‘tolerant’ of other people’s “believes” at this point in time….
“The West has been systematically destabilizing and destroying the Muslim world for decades where they haven’t been propping up some monarch or dictator. How many Muslims were killed just this morning from Syria to Libya to Iraq to Yemen as a direct or indirect result of Western policy?”
While I’m utterly and ruthlessly against any kind, form, or shape of ‘western’ intervention in the ME (and I am, I’m not just saying it), that doesn’t mean that the ‘Muslamic’ world shouldn’t: 1- be beyond criticism and 2- they themselves shouldn’t have to grow a sense of self-criticism.
Having said all of the above, I do know that Westerners meddled endlessly, with the natural evolution of the Muslim people (they were, slowly but surely moving into more progressive and secular forms of governments) only to get their progress thwarted by your usual suspects: the West [US/Nato & company], their proxies and their faithful Muslim 5th Column ground soldiers – to name just three of them.
At the end of the day… two wrongs don’t make a right.
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-TL2Q
Saker stepped over the line. Just as Charlie did. The folks who are mad, upset, poised to vomit, have a double standard, don’t they?
Saker has always stepped over lines. We cheer when we agree. We wince when we don’t agree.
So, recalculate ‘free expression’, like Charlie used, and which Saker uses. One for all, all for one.
N’est pas?
Calm down. Don’t run from the truth that Saker is an individual with the same rights as Charlie. He’s anonymous for security reasons. Why’s that?
He keeps four dogs. Why?
Shall we all take a deep breath, bow our heads in respect to the poor souls lost in the Paris madness and be thankful that Saker exists, that he pushes the envelope so we all break out of our perpetual sloth against evil. That evil that took all those cartoonists, innocents, policemen and woman aims at all of us. That’s the issue. We need to begin some creative solutions to this problem. We need to stand up to evil, not just parse the differences among us.
He does these articles to shake people. Just as Charlie did with the caricatures.
And he runs risks just as they did. He brings it on as a free person.
I disagree with some of his positions. I still value him. Don’t abandon the resistance you all helped him build.
I have always loved the French, the French culture, language, and their artistry. I don’t know why. I can’t explain it. It is a sensual thing, without a doubt. But it is so sad to see them suffer, as we did several times under the same evil attacks.
But there is one thing I know for certain. It is the foreign policy of both our nations that has brought these moments of extreme evil to our peoples. And I hate the French policy as much as the American policy. They are one and the same in reality.
Thus, let’s resist both our nations’ actions and formulate creative ways to build bridges and unite with anyone anywhere who craves life and liberty, our shared values.
I seldom cry but after reading Saker’s article and most of the comments here and at ICH, I cried first for the people killed in Paris (I guess that makes me a Charlie) and then I cried while thinking of the millions of Muslims killed (I guess that makes me a non-Charlie saker).
I agree with what you said, I think. I’m just so tired of it all that I can’t really think either. Reading and posting here at the Saker is some kind of therapy for me. The Saker is reasonable and emotional and an impersonal symbol which I think is a good combo.
The Saker’s new blog is excellent, 999% better than the old one (which wasn’t bad at all).
But, if I’m not mistaken, the new blog has a serious flaw. At the old blog, to read the most recently-added comments, one had only to scroll to the end. In the new blog that’s only true for posts which are not replies. Replies are added immediately under the comments to which they are replies (which,of course, is logical enough) but now it’s hard (too hard) to see quickly which replies have been added since one last looked at the comments. A solution (but maybe hard to implement) would be an option to display only comments and replies to comments which have been added in the last n days (where n is user-selectable, say, from 2 to 9). OK, I’m a perfectionist. Just ignore this.
I understand what you mean, but in this case we have a “either – or ” scenario. The nested replies help visually to better understand which comments caught the attention of others and who replied to whom. The latest comments will always be found at the bottom of the list. When an article has more than 50 top-level comments then the comments will be separated into pages.
What he means is you can’t tell if there have been new replies to a comment you’ve already seen. Perhaps you’ve already replied and you want to see what reply YOU get. There are not many solutions available for that problem.
Exactly. Perhaps the website designer (to whom kudos for a great site design!) could add an option (via a checkbox at the top of the comments) which, when checked, would suppress display of all replies older than 3 days (or 72 hours, to be more exact), since most interested readers probably check the comments at least once every 3 days.
I have seen systems where you can choose whether comments are displayed nested or chronological. But that may not be possible with WordPress.
This Charlie vs. Isis “thing” going on….It is not about “free speech” or clash
of cultures: it is about male p-ssing contests and how we are all supposed to watch, be entertained and chose sides. Take two street gangs who call each other out which is basically what the verbally abusive ( selective abuse with favorite targets) gang called Charlie Hebdo did to their counterparts, ISIS, Al Caeda etc with their cartoon about “what is taking you so long to attack”?
What followed as a result was the crazies who identify with either of these thugs-gangs started to line up into “teams” and to do acts of miscued solidarity. As for politics and speech: it is well known that you can not scream “fire” in a crowded theater and use the defense of “free speech” to absolve you of the responsibility for what ensues. Now this Charlie Hebdo–did they die oh so nobly defending those vaunted French values of Fraternite, liberte, egalite? NO? They died for the right to be an insulting -sshole with impunity which some say is an underrated French value.
So why do I not feel inspired?
Having gone around the new blog just to say,I like it,a lot.It is very smooth and professional.Well done your hard workers.five stars,max to you.Of course,cough,cough,you could always add the time stamp to comments.that would seal it.)
I’ll try to find a solution for your coughing ;-)
Your comment and the moderator’s reply just brought me out of my depression, and I’m laughing and coughing too. I think I’m losing it. So many comments. I may be causing havoc by deleting my previous comment so I could make this one.
Es is verboten that you are the Lovegovernment and are depressed. Bitte watchen sie the below, and Ann, and anyone who wants to smile(it is far more expressive, tho not so contemporary as your link Ann;) oh, and je suis definet niet Charlie.
http://youtu.be/lzv4vno2o8I
http://youtu.be/XjQxdG12ZuI
pb
It is an interesting combination of German-English-French to reply to this comment. But keeping it in one language makes it easier for all of us.
Anonymous January 09, 2015
I stand corrected, please excuse my lapse of English and accept this comment in the spirit of which it was intended at the time; appreciation, good will and humour.
It is forbidden that you are the Lovegovernment and are depressed. Please watch the below, and Ann, and anyone who wants to smile(it is far more expressive, tho’ not so contemporary as your link Ann;) oh, and I am definitely not Charlie.
http://youtu.be/lzv4vno2o8I
http://youtu.be/XjQxdG12ZuI
pb
So much concern in the West for the attack in Paris (brought on by Western actions,I might add).But no concern for the thousands,and thousands,more people killed in Syria and Novorossia (also caused by Western actions.There seems a pattern here.”Western actions”.) Lets imagine a theoretical example of a similar situation to Ukraine’s.Say there was a country, in which,in the capital a corrupt though elected government was overthrown.The new coup government targets a state/province/oblast on the border of the country with a majority population that speaks another language.And has close family ties to the neighboring country.The coup regime forbids the state to use the majority language,denies them democracy,and sends an army to enforce assimilation on the majority population of that state.The population rises in rebellion,there are killings towns burned.The army sent slaughters civilians and fighters alike.Refugees flee to the neighboring country.Volunteer fighters in large numbers come from the neighboring country.And the state declares itself an independent country.
Wait a minute,we don’t have to imagine this example at all.Its an actual example from the history of the US and their state of Texas.That state rebelled against the coup government of Santa Ana in Mexico,declared independence from Mexico and later joined the US as a state.So any Americans whining and condemning the Novorossians today should look at their own history as a guide first.The main difference in this case is Novorossians are native to the land for hundreds of years.And the Anglo-Texians were there only a generation at most.But still,they were legally there and the majority at the time.
I completely agree with you, dear Saker. Remember: The Saker is flying high in the sky. Or the beautiful chinese saying: The dogs are barking but the caravan continues forward.
Gilad Atzmon seems to be implying a false flag by the empire… or Isreal ?
“While every anti terror expert has agreed that the attack on Charlie Hebdo yesterday was a professional job, it seems pretty amateurish for a ‘highly trained terrorist’ to leave his ID behind. And since when does a terrorist take his ID on an operation?..It is quite probable that this was another false flag operation. Who could be behind it? Use your imagination.”
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/01/09/392328/Another-falseflag-operation
A very good article on this topic from great website.
Peace
This article follows your’s nicely, give it a read when you get the chance :
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/why-i-am-not-charlie
Spot on:
The Daily Star
More in the article there.
This is how the West really thinks:
“Yet China, which has its own territorial claims, could be far more difficult to corral.”
Especially that word ‘corral.’
The arrogance is nauseating.
“Hezbollah leader on Charlie Hebdo: ‘Extremists more offensive to Islam than cartoons’ ”
http://rt.com/news/221343-hezbollah-nasrallah-charlie-offends/
Several comments have included links to videos (formerly) on YouTube showing one of the attackers apparently shooting a wounded policemant (lying on the ground) but no blood appears (suggesting that the event was actually a fake). YouTube has removed (most of) these videos, claiming (in one case) that it was removed because it shows “shocking and disgusting content” — see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVMV44lwx_E So NO BLOOD is “disgusting”? What’s shocking (well, not, really) is that YouTube removed this video so that the fake shooting would not be obvious to everyone.
But the internet being what it is, it’s unlikely that this video can be suppressed completely. One instance of it (at least) is still up. See Where’s The Blood? Evidence Shows Paris Shooting May Have Been A Hoax.
Somehow I managed to omit the link to the page entitled “Where’s The Blood? Evidence Shows Paris Shooting May Have Been A Hoax” so here it is:
http://xtribune.com/2015/01/wheres-blood-evidence-shows-paris-shooting-may-hoax/#
And here’s a link to the YouTube video itself (not yet removed):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InhNz6VqhAo
Examine the video from the 14 second mark to 18 seconds, where the gunman appears to fire at the policeman (note the spray of debris from the ground — easy to overlook — apparently the bullet ricocheting). It’s not clear if the shot hits or misses. If it missed then the policemen would probably have lived. But if it hit then where’s the blood? Was the policeman ever hit at all? Is he just pretending to be wounded?
Of course, when viewing a video you can never be sure if it’s the original footage or whether it’s been edited/doctored. But this video definitely raises questions, for which reason it will probably soon be removed by YouTube. Better view it now before it’s pulled.
Are you referring to this video which we have posted here on the Saker website when you say that “YouTube constantly removes it”?
Oh my god Saker I absolutely love you!
I said almost the exact same thing as you.
If someone poked the tiger in the eye, and the tiger killed him, there should be no pity for him.
However, my heart goes out to the innocent victims like the Muslim policemen :(
The picture of the young woman’s head being held by the Takfiri loony I saw origonally on ‘Pando Daily’ during the summer fighting around Irbil in Kurdistan.
Gary Bretcher is ‘the war nerd’ and was writing about the Kurdish Pesh Merga ,translated as ‘those who confront death’.
The peshmerga have both male and female battalions to defend their families and homes,they wear tradional clothing and carry Kalashnikovs.
The Takfiri loony was killed a month later after marrying two 12 y.o. crying girls,captured and enslaved from towns over-run by Daesh.
On an entirely different note…..Blogger
A blog I have been following for four years was removed from blogger without any reason being given.
The offending site ? Harvey Organ’s Daily Gold & Silver Report.
Google emailed him saying a court order had been presented ordering the website shut down,when Harvey asked for a copy of the court order
3 or more times he was ignored.
His was a very harmless site,that someone wanted shut,he now posts on Silver Doctors.
There is no safety in this world,
cheers.
There is NO god. Period. It always amazes me how human animals expect their kids to stop believing in Santa Claus once they reach a certain age, say 9 or 10 yo, but adults for the most part absolutely refuse to give up believing in their skydaddies. Grow up, already. There is NO god. Deal with it. Better yet, if you refuse to stop your nonsense over your stupid gods, simply kill each other off. All of you. And leave the adults in peace on this planet. I’ve had enough of your collective stupidity. I spit in ALL of your damned souls!
I really pity you.God has shown himself countless times,but not to you.He didn’t even give you a name,poor anon.Now wipe your dribbling chin,there’s a good boy,and go to bed without your milk.
It’s always welcome to leave each and everyone his own opinion instead of going “ad hominems”.
Thank you.
This is the kind of babble called “freedom of speech” promoted by Charlie. No wonder that it appeals to the mentally retarded adolescents regressing to childhood.
This Charlie Hebdo episode is starting to smell rather foul if this is real. Charlie Hebdo Shootings – video
http://youtu.be/yJEvlKKm6og?a
I have updated the article here and added your comment about the YouTube video to it.
Thanks.
The Saker does not know and understand France very well and has written a very poor piece. My esteem for this blog has dropped tremendously; I expect a lot of French (and other Western Europeans) readers to do so too.
“The folks at Charlie Hebdo had it coming.”
With this phrase you made a fateful choice of words, implying guilt on the part of innocent people, or was it more to imply that their fate was obvious? Your use of the train track analogy indicates you meant both: they were fated to be massacred, and they deserved it.
The famous line by Evelyn Beatrice Hall (from her work on Voltaire) comes to mind: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
“Je suis Charlie” does notimply you agree with what Charlie Hebdo was doing… it does imply you defend their right to work as satirical cartoonists without fear of being killed by the offended targets of their ridicule.
I suggest you rethink this Saker as it is a serious blemish on your otherwise praiseworthy efforts with your blog.
It’s never too late to admit you erred. You might even get some of the people who left back.
Je suis Charlie.
What is the mindset? What is the moral character of someone who makes his living by defaming and insulting, deeply offending and ridiculing the religious convictions of others? What level of “artistic sophistication” did they think that they are displaying by posting caricatures of religions in an unflattering -sometimes grotesque- manner, always with the intent to offend and to demean? The purveyors of pornographic materials should be held in higher regard than these people!
No less a person than Jacques Chirac who -as President of France at the time- was theoretically the most powerful man in France, was unable to restrain the people of Charlie Hebdo nor discourage them from inciting the Moslem community. It became impossible, after his successor -Sarkozy (who, I am sure you know, is Jewish)- praised and defended the publication, while simultaneously condemning Dieudonne.
I don’t know if there are any lawsuits or petitions outstanding against Charlie Hebdo; but it is certain that they would be rejected, and would serve only to motivate the editors of the magazine to get even more extreme. Dieudonne tried to take legal action to protect his right to free speech. But he failed. The double standard used to defend free speech at one end and to repress it at the other should be obvious. In France, it is a sacrilege to offend one minority, while it is a sacrosanct privilege to offend the other. By the way, that also seems to be the case in America, in the United Kingdom, and in Germany as well.
The French government chose not to restrain or punish the people behind Charlie Hebdo. Instead, it provided them with police protection. So, I guess someone knew that the magazine was enraging the Moslems, some of whom would feel impelled by their religious convictions to take action. I just don’t understand how the editors and staff of Charlie Hebdo expected to get away with it, especially given their recent cartoon which dared the Jihadis to commit an act of terrorism in France before the end of January. Well, they got what they were asking for.
You are free to imagine that you are standing up for “free speech” when you pronounce “Je suis Charlie”. But you should consider that the “free speakers”, which you have chosen as the vehicle for such a stand, have practiced vulgar provocations against the two largest religions of the world with sheer delight, with no constructive purpose, with the intent of fanning hatred. In effect you are standing up for “hate speech” rather than “free speech”.
You can call it “vulgar provocation”, and in ways I would even agree, but then so what? It’s a judgement. We can be grateful that such a judgement has not resulted in total censorship of any and everything that might be construed as a “vulgar provocation” towards Islam.
As Andrew O’Hehir said in a recent article in SALON:
“If we’re not going to defend the most obnoxious varieties of free speech from those who would silence it in the most literal sense – and there are plenty of examples more obnoxious than Charlie Hebdo – then we don’t deserve to have free speech at all.”
As a writer myself, I am very aware of this pall of fear that hangs in the air, dissuading many from writing anything critical of Islam whatsoever. It all started in earnest with Rushdie of course. And I also wonder if they had finally murdered Salman Rushdie, whether some blogger would immediately start posting about how “he had it coming”? It doesn’t matter that Rushdie’s writings are on a higher plane of discourse–you can be sure he would defend the right of the satirist to satirize.
And so do I.
Je suis Charlie
@You can call it “vulgar provocation”, and in ways I would even agree, but then so what?
The problem really is that you claim the right to “vulgarly provoke” only for yourself. The ones who provoke YOU deserve the guillotine. There were the staunchest defenders of the “Liberté” who invented la Terreur. “Liberté, Égalité, fraternité ou la mort” was the real motto of the revolutionaries. La mort des AUTRES, cela va sans dire.
“What is the mindset? What is the moral character of someone who makes his living by defaming and insulting, deeply offending and ridiculing the religious convictions of others? What level of “artistic sophistication” did they think that they are displaying by posting caricatures of religions in an unflattering -sometimes grotesque- manner, always with the intent to offend and to demean?”
What is the moral character of someone who thinks a killing spree is defensible for any reason, much less the ‘crime’ of printing a cartoon the offended could have simply ignored?
“No less a person than Jacques Chirac who -as President of France at the time- was theoretically the most powerful man in France, was unable to restrain the people of Charlie Hebdo nor discourage them from inciting the Moslem community.”
Yeah, I’m guessing you don’t understand how democracies work. A President is not a King, nor should they be. As for ‘inciting’ the Muslim community, Charlie Hebdo is a satire newspaper that attacks anyone and everyone it deems ridiculous. It’s pi*** d off groups like Catholics before, who have attempted legal action, as is their right. No one has the right to murder as a response to insults. And in murdering the staff of the newspaper the attackers have proven how correct in its mockery and disdain the newspaper was towards extremist Muslims.
Oh,small point.We no longer know if our comment has *taken* or not.ref,line at top of page.
“And when Charlie Hebdo published their caricatures of the Prophet and when they ridiculed him the a deliberately rude and provocative manner, they knew what they were doing: they were very deliberately deeply offending 1.6 billion Muslims world wide. Oh, and did I mention that in Islam blasphemy is a crime punishable by death?”
Yes. They knew they were offending. And still they did it.
Yes. They knew the penalty for blasphemy was death. And still they did it.
Do you have even an inkling of an idea ….. WHY?
Your first clue is in your last sentence there.
You second clue is in the simple fact that you wrote that twaddle here in the public domain.
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“Well, it turns out that of 1.6 billion Muslims exactly three decided to take justice in their own hands and kill the very deliberately blaspheming Frenchmen. You don’t have to be Muslim or to approve of the death penalty for blasphemy to realize that this was inevitable and that this has nothing to do with Islam as a religion. Offend any group as large as 1.6 billion and sooner or later you will find 1-5 folks willing to use violence to make you pay for it. This is a statistical inevitability.”
Hmmm…. Justice?
You call what they did – Justice?
You didn’t stop for a minute, did you, to consider how …
[ Note from Moderator: You make your point clearly and I am not against it. But I have to remove some of the strong language in this comment. Please stick closer to Moderation policies”. Thank you.]
… wimps you are?
Because thanks to their courage, their sacrifices and their dying for it – you have the inalienable RIGHT to type that s** t here and not die for it. Because thanks to their efforts, you aren’t some starved, beaten slave in some aristocrat’s kitchen or pigsty. And you return that by advocating we in our turn cower and hide our thoughts in fear – because of their numbers? You are a coward and a disgrace!
Those you think we should kowtow to in abject fear (O-M-G 1.6 BILLIONS OF THEM – RUNNNNNN!) would not for one second grant you a jot of the obsequious consideration you’re so desperate to throw at them under their Sharia system of law.
And BTW. The death penalty for thinking and speaking wrong (ie blasphemy) has EVERYTHING to do with Islam. Who else kills so passionately for thinking out loud?
Because thanks to their efforts, you aren’t some starved, beaten slave in some aristocrat’s kitchen or pigsty.
???? what did the Charlie people ever do, that has saved The Saker from being a slave? ??
Where is the evidence that their activities saved anyone? how does years of mocking and insulting all and sundry prevent anyone else from being a beaten slave? all they did was HURT a lot of people they didn’t even know, just to indulge their own puerile and vulgar idea of what constitutes funny.
Yes. They knew they were offending. And still they did it.
Yes. They knew the penalty for blasphemy was death. And still they did it
Continuing to knowingly offend people is nasty bullying behaviour. Knowing some of the victims consider it a capital offence is a way of playing chicken, or a way of further insulting them, in effect saying “you are too weak and cowardly to actually do it”. What about that last one “What? no attack yet?” They were asking for it, right there
I would be supporting Charlie if the government had closed them down or jailed them — THAT would be a free speech issue.
Lying on the railway line, jumping into the tiger cage, going hunting dressed as a deer, swimming with crocodiles….whatever way you want to put it… if you take big enough risks sooner or later you will get caught, and it is YOUR FAULT for exposing yourself to the risk. I am not “blaming the victim” –that applies legitimately only to people who are doing a normal and generally safe activity and get attacked by someone they did not provoke.
But then this did not happen. It could have, but it didn’t. They were USED, the danger they created for themselves was USED, to kill them and put the blame on some Muslims, to create a frenzy of anti-Islam feeling in France (perhaps in all Europe)…. a feeling nicely kept at a high level already by their “funnies”.
perfect response, KatKan. here here!
Shahna January 10, 2015
I get your point. Zionist tools who spread bigotry in the service of Israel are heroes. Those who criticize these “heroes” are every bad thing under the sun.
But your fears for your fellow travelers are misdirected. It wasn’t those critical of your “heroes” here, who topped your fellow travelers at Charlie Hebdo. It was the people your “heroes” fronted for who decided they were expendable and initiated it for the “greater good” of their Islamophobia campaign.
At this point, one would expect intelligent people would be asking themselves now, “Am I also expendable like Charlie Hebdo were?”
Great piece! Something similar went through my had, but finally it became: “JE SUIS MOI…” – https://farsight3.wordpress.com/2015/01/10/je-suis-moi/
If you want to use and spread my artwork there (Title: “But this is the False Flag”!), feel free to do so
Kudos!
FS3
Dear Saker,
On the tragedy of Charlie Hebdo, I empathize for French people – their emotions and reactions. France is a country of high humanity and her society is a highly civilized one. France has the largest Muslim population among Europeen countries, yet French people have the most favorable view of Muslims (72%), much higher than other continental Europeen countries.
One of the victims, the cartoonist, Cabu, used to present on a TV program for children with his talented cartoon drawings. Several generations of children grew up with it.
This is a time of high emotions. In my opinion, certain points you made here in this piece are, frankly, not sensitive to these emotions (it is quite understandable a country’s population has stronger feelings for their fellow citizens than for those of other countries). It might have had some different effect if this writing had come out at a later time.
Just some thoughts
Regards
You can call it “vulgar provocation”, and in ways I would even agree, but then so what? It’s a judgement. We can be grateful that such a judgement has not resulted in total censorship of any and everything that might be construed as a “vulgar provocation” towards Islam.
As Andrew O’Hehir said in a recent article in SALON:
“If we’re not going to defend the most obnoxious varieties of free speech from those who would silence it in the most literal sense – and there are plenty of examples more obnoxious than Charlie Hebdo – then we don’t deserve to have free speech at all.”
As a writer myself, I am very aware of this pall of fear that hangs in the air, dissuading many from writing anything critical of Islam whatsoever. It all started in earnest with Rushdie of course. And I also wonder if they had finally murdered Salman Rushdie, whether some blogger would immediately start posting about how “he had it coming”? It doesn’t matter that Rushdie’s writings are on a higher plane of discourse–you can be sure he would defend the right of the satirist to satirize.
And so do I.
Je suis Charlie
That is the Jewish zionist owned/run Salon, who strongly censor criticism of Jewish and Israeli issues and do not allow material that is intended to insult Jewish people there at all. In your scramble to present a defense of the bigotry of the ziofascist Charlie Hebdo propagandists, you not only inadvertently showed your own hypocrisy in the matter, you also exposed the source of that hypocrisy. It’s called zionism.
And your own self-censoring bias means you won’t read the article I take it.
You missed the point in your own rush to ad hominems, assuming that I liked or approved of Charlie Hebdo content, or even SALON publishing bias, or that I am a crypto-Zionist sympathizer. I don’t but so what? I don’t see Zionists behind every bush and I’ll defend the right to free speech. Even yours.
Je suis Charlie
DR-Montreal said: ” I’ll defend the right to free speech….”
Will you defend the right to question the validity of the evidence that the Nazis killed six million Jews during WWII?
Will you defend the right to DENY that the Nazis killed six million Jews during WWII?
And you do know, don’t you, that doing that in France will land you in jail.
He just said the site was biased and you want him to read a biased article designed to sway opinion to the way they want? I read a few of their articles too but over the year I don’t read much of your so called free speech because they would have made Goebbels proud.. Read too much of that would turn my mind to mush like so many others..
The Germans wanted to show me a gas chamber they built.. They said it was the same as the ones built by the Nazi’s.. But they had no floor plans and no one who had actually built one to tell them how it was built. Anyone who was experienced with chemicals would have realized that what they built would have killed the people using it let alone their victims. When some pointed it out to them, they made it a crime to question such things.. At the time I was more afraid than anything to even take them up on the offer.. See consequences.. I knew the risks and decided not to take it.. But what about MY free speech.. well.. Guess not..
Well I want to know answers to that and many others.. But that is the easiest example..
Dear Bok Tak,
Don’t rise to te bait of the trolls Shana and Dr Montreal – ignore as they get paid for every reaction.
Rgds,
Veritas
Good point.
I’m not a troll, and I am certainly not paid for anything I post here.
This is my first time commenting on a Saker blog (and I am not so impressed to be honest), although I have read his work for months and connected quite a few people to it’s valuable perspective beyond the mainstream, so very much needed these days.
I raised a few fair points and am rather surprised by the vituperative responses I have received. I’m an academic, and I happen to mostly agree with Saker’s take on “Anglo Zionism”, a term I have come to use myself. I also accept the larger “narrative” about how this attack in Paris will be used by the war-on-terror-ists for their own ends and fear the worst.
That said, it does not allow me to castigate the Charlie Hebdo rag for its perceived excesses and “provocations.” I grant them every right to free expression–this is most important. Being butchered for exercising that right–even in bad taste and with “vulgar provocations”–is an assault on free speech pure and simple. In fact it’s a brilliant attack as far as that goes, shocking the hypocritical West to it’s roots, and we will see the results in the months ahead of us. This is a watershed moment, and it behooves us to consider the basic tenet of free speech:
Evelyn Beatrice Hall
It is my impression that Saker’s desire not to defend the people at Charlie Hebdo (in fact to condemn them on their content, concluding they “had it coming”) has caused a split in his community. It may be that the majority here will support his conclusions: well and good, that is how consensus works. I’ll certainly keep reading his blog with great interest, but I do believe he erred, badly, on this one.
DR-Montreal quotes (with approval) pseudo-Voltaire: “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” but avoids answering the questions put to him earlier:
Will you defend the right to question the validity of the evidence that the Nazis killed six million Jews during WWII?
Will you defend the right to DENY that the Nazis killed six million Jews during WWII?
(And you do know, don’t you, that doing that in France will land you in jail.)
Of course, as a probable Zionist troll, DR-Montreal cannot answer Yes to either of these questions, despite his assertion of being willing to defend the right of free speech.
I didn’t answer that in particular as it’s pretty obvious isn’t it? What is your point? Different societies define hate speech in different ways, but you can generally understand that you will not be allowed to instigate violence or criminal activity. I personally think holocaust deniers should be able to air their views the more easily to confound them, but that is for a particular society to decide on; i.e. I will accept that particular censure in a society that expressly prohibits it for obvious historical and social reasons.
I gather many here, including Saker, would prefer to regard the publications of Charlie Hebdo as “hate speech” in order to make the outrageous and unacceptable assertion that “they had it coming.”
You’re on the wrong side of history when you have millions marching today to defend the right of free speech for these cartoonists, which French society has not deemed to be hate speech, but which is a part of the historical French traditions of biting satire.
You can sneeringly call these demonstrators “sheeple” or whatever you wish–in fact they are standing up for the very right to free speech that allows Saker to post his own views and commentaries as well.
Je suis Charlie
Did you forget these criminals were French, trained and armed by nato and supported by france. France itself created them. You people are daft. Don’t do stupid stuff. You stir the one side of the room and then you stir the other side of the room and then yell FREEDOM..
hey good for you.. maybe you should stay home.. First you kill millions of Algerians, then you take all the traitors back with you. Now you have a problem with them. You now want sympathy for your actions. How about being a man and take responsibility.. None of us supported your actions then or now. Just because you have a right does not mean we have to support you because that right got violated because of some other action you took.
I bet you wont learn from the mistakes.. It sure don’t look like it. Double down.. It has worked for American and it will work for Europe as well
You reap what you sow, no?
Living your life based on principle will soon lead to much disappointment, as the real world is not so perfect with alot of suffering, ignorance and injustice. Out of which flows a all types of persons, some of which don’t play by your rules. How arrogant to assume you can do as you please and then to cry out when your actions result in problems. Take responsibility for your actions and don’t be surprised by that hate speech creates enemies. Don’t be a hypocrite.
Can’t have it both ways.
Ever heard of Karma.
Well, perhaps we can at least condemn them for behaving in a way that was truly dangerous. I think to say they might have expected a violent reaction is not the same as approving it. Their cartoons were akin to race-baiting, regardless of the point they may have been trying to make. Given the demographic situation/clash of cultures in France, it seems sensitivity to Muslim feelings about blasphemy simply cannot be ignored without risking violence. We may not approve of a violent response to perceived blasphemy, but Islam is a very different culture and their beliefs do not necessarily conform to Western expectations. Our insistence will not change that. We must acknowledge the reality of their beliefs, their way of handling things or face the reaction.
@ trolls Shana and Dr Montreal – ignore as they get paid for every reaction.
Well, this is Hasbara really. The language is the language of political Propaganda. But isn’t the language of Charlie political propaganda, after all? Few ideas, but fixed ones repeated ad nauseam, meant to instill attitudes, to mobilize the sheeple against some “villains” like any figure of authority, symbolised by the character Boeuf (= Ox does not translate accurately the offensive edge of the French word), or around politically correct ideas (Le gran Duduche).
@ trolls Shana and Dr Montreal – ignore as they get paid for every reaction.
Well, this is Hasbara really. The language is the language of political Propaganda. But isn’t the language of Charlie political propaganda, after all? Few ideas, but fixed ones repeated ad nauseam, meant to instill attitudes, to mobilize the sheeple against some “villains” like any figure of authority, or around politically correct ideas.
So you think this has anything to do with islam?
You think the outcome would have been different with say, the mafia, bikers, skinheads or some other extremists?
But you are also saying you support muslims to do the very same thing right.. The very same right that got them killed.. the speech which was a crime in the eyes of the freeiest of free countries.. The potus said so, being exceptional and all so it must be true..
Oh yea don’t forgot, It also got his son killed as well. a minor and also an American..
Should we be what ever the puk his name was as well.. He never killed or hurt anyone! actually he did not even offend anyone and people had to go to him for him to talk to you.
Thanks Saker for your post ! Many french people,as I am, think exactly as you say ! We are not Charlie, that merdia, awful and revolting paper and we’ll not go to the demonstration to morrow in Paris !
happy to hear it, zabo. thanks for saying.
You see how easy it is, the inability for a lott of comentariers to fall into this Guilt by assosiation, witch is the first trapp.
This can be aplyed to anything and anyone.
The the even wurse, about collective guilt or been assosiated to a perseption/cause perpertaded or vocalaised or in any way transmitted to the generall heep, by an individuall.’
Anyone, doing this is no matter how elobrated he/she is, I dont give a f…. about since I consider it to be premature drivell, and wurthkess to waist a chalory to agitate or debate at all.
Capice, morons.
And the shittlist goes on and on and on, and somehow, poiticall/finnaciall aspects of previous rulers/lands, imperialsim and or expanding by warfare used whatever cause they seem fitt, and religion have been corrutped from the very beginning.
But this have NOTHING to do with the teachings, period.
Once again, knowledge is aparent a rearety this days, where ognorants use what they have seen on the Tube(propaganda/bollocs) and the MSM(ditto), and think they know anything of wurth, witch is even bigger lie and perspetual pervertion of truth.
Witch leads me upto the conclution, you not all, saker is begining to feal the heat, and this, belive me is the best quallity stamp you can gett, when they suddenly realises that WE know what They know, and isnt afraid of saying it, and that loud and proud.
I am trying to slow down the Sledg Hammer aproatch to a more calm tune.
I did it deliberatly for years, upto now, simply by what is defined in boxing, to counterpunch.
Or what I call a mental kick in the nutts, to show that not all is bying the bullshitt nor beliving the drivell the MSM pimps all the time.
To the French, you reap what you saw, and despite all the horro and ecil crimes comitted against inocents, this makes me wana puke.
I am a man.
I dont give a rats ass for Charlie.
peace
The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis”
― Dante Alighieri
How come nobody said “je suis snowden”, or “je suis robert faurisson”, or “je suis dieudonne”?
Seems you have to die these days (most preferably brutally murdered) before the facebooking numbskulls notice!
Hamas condemns Charlie Hebdo attack.
A statement in French said Hamas “condemns the attack against Charlie Hebdo magazine and insists on the fact that differences of opinion and thought cannot justify murder.”
It also rejected Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s comments, in which he compared the Paris attack to Hama firing rockets from the Gaza Strip at civilians in Israel.
“Hamas condemns the desperate attempts by … Netanyahu to make a connection between our movement and the resistance of our people on the one hand and global terrorism on the other,” it said.
J’ai froid!
Sorry, much ado about nothing, or very little anyway. The empire is just up to it’s old tricks.
Why Vladimir Putin (blamed for everything under Sun) is not blamed for Charlie Hebdo? Because he really did it. It’s joke, of course. But dark reality of the war which was started against Russia is that everything hurting Russia’s enemy is good for Russia. And Hollande’s regime was hitted heavily – any plans to support wahhabi terrorists in Russia or Syria will meet much stronger opposition. You know Islamic State executes wild dreams of Turkey and Israel – fight Bashar Assad, Hezbollah, Kurdish separatists, Christians, one day also Iran. It was created by CIA with help of Mossad and MIT in times when Turkey and Israel were loyal allies of USA. But these days are over and CIA has lost any influence in Islamic State. So reality is that Putin’s deal with Erdogan made him also a small stakeholder in IS – I don’t expect major attacks against Russia now, West got priority.
Now look at France-Israel and France-Turkey relations. They are disastrous in both longterm and shorterm. Ancient problems of Holokaust and genocide of Armenians are only highligted by current French support for Palestinien terrorists (don’t forget, more than 70 Israelis died in last attempt to crush them) and French attempts to punish Turkey for deal with Putin. So why don’t unleash their wahhabi monster once again to settle these bills? For France (and rest of the EU) it’s blood written message that they are no more allowed to solve their internal problems at expense of powerful foreign countries. Not so bad also for Russia, I think. If I’m true, next at hit list will be Sweden, for similar reasons.
Does it strike anyone as odd/coincident that Diana died suddenly/violently, in Paris, and was an growing embarrassment to the British crown,parallel to the present Charlie-hebdo action ,just when Prince Andrew York is also under severe pressure concerning his pedophile/paedophile,uk, connections?
While in UK the press will not allow discussion / comments on any of the stories about him to surface?Just what pressures/connections/strings are being pulled here? Methinks something is afoot.
Also, excellent Tariq Ali piece on Oceania Saker.
XbNB.
To add intrigue further,Maxwell pipes up about blaming the muslims, and his daughter is right in the middle of this pending trial,supposedly acting as a ‘madam’ for these underage females that accuse Andrew.the plot thickens.
And ,of course,not forgetting the ‘con’trived, massive wave of public outpouring,strangely akin to the Diana business ,which was not seen in living memory in UK.
Paris attacks: No, Mr Murdoch. I am not responsible
Christians were not expected to say sorry for the Oklahoma City bombing, yet Muslims are being asked to apologise.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/paris-attacks-no-mr-murdoch-i-am-not-responsible-9970235.html
For more on the death of Diana see The Murder of Princess Diana.
I will end this scam by simply state the obvious facts about this “terror attac”.
How many “Muslims” did this.
3
And this hate propaganda pimped inot warp drive is all done deliberatly, and fall into a patern used by the western controlle MSM have done for years, and now its been wurse, the sheeps/truncoats/oportunists/racists/islamaphob/andsoon, all screaming for blood.
Revenge, upon 1.3 bill people.
Freedom of expresion is hllowed out that even to state this in europa and have a serious face, is hillariously hypocritical and shows me that they lie all the time, about everything.
Why on earth is isuting/hateinstigating and so on, warped into freeom of expresions.
I have writen a lott, hammer the moust, hated by zionazis but I havent and never will attac their religion, witch is highly personal and way of what I consider a serious issue, its anyway the effect of their actions I count, the boots on the ground so to speek.
Anything else is irrelevant.
But to the point, ths video, Dont Apologize is one of the best I have seen/heard.
Its sayes it all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro6vLHq-g5E
peace
Je Suis Saker
Condemning the rights of cartoonists which were abiding by the law of their land, a secular country no less is wrong. You Saker exercise those individual freedoms which the U.S. gives you being a resident there. How can you be so hypocritical given the anti US writing you post here? So when some f@@ked up American comes knocking at your door with a gun should we applaud or condemn?
I think you missed the point.
Did you even bother to read what he wrote?
He did not say they had no right. He said they should have used common sense. And like him many of us can not stand by people who degrade us and insult us to make a point or a buck. The law gives many people many rights.. But that’s why so many cops kill people and get away with it. Just because they have a right does not make it a matter of fact that other peoples rights do not matter. Just like if I get hurt because I used my rights.. Usually I try to use common sense rather than my rights. When you go pick a fight with others you should expect to get hurt and take precautions. He also did not agree with the consequences and neither does any of us. You cant blame what happened on rational people anywhere. The actions of the French government itself created the situation. It is the responsibility of the French government to solve it as well but we do know, the French government will now do a Japanese and go for creating napoleons dream of the French empire. Rather than trying to learn from it.
So don’t go jumping on others because they don’t agree with you. If you do something, accept the consequences of those actions. We are not the enemy.. Don’t go stirring the hornets nest and then ask us to stand in front.
Obviously, readers, such as the French Saker group misunderstand a critique of Zionism for anti-semitism. Perhaps it is not so obvious in Europe, but in the US it is clear that Israel has a strong grip on our government and is happily guiding US policy to the detriment of the American people and the rest of the world. Israeli policy is entirely self-centered. While I DO believe the Holocaust happened and was an unimaginable tragedy, all other genocides are treated by the press and the political establishment as insignificant. This one, on the other hand,is used routinely to stir up emotions in support of foreign policies that bring terrible suffering to people around the world. In the US right now academics are losing their tenure or suffering huge pay cuts if they dare to speak out against Israeli policy. Something is terribly wrong with this picture.
Also, Je Suis Charlie is a classic act of liberalism. The liberals are truly sickening as a group, for all their feigned good intentions. The truth is they do not have genuine concern for the crimes of the political/elite class, but turn instead to simplistic, emotionalistic symbolism and sloganeering. They want politics lite – whatever is easy. In the US, they tend to despise the libertarians, such as Ron Paul, for their stance against US foreign policy and the dismantling of the constitution. Instead, they stand firmly behind Western political crimes and will embrace just about anything as long as they believe it will never impact them personally. They are insipid, shallow, self-centered, spoiled and morally bankrupt. They are emotionally and intellectually confused and yet are the same people who like to verbally stake a claim to unerring academic and intellectual brilliance. Ick. Good by, liberals!
Greetings to the Saker community ~
Somewhat revised for the purpose of this blog’s Comments section, the following constitutes an astrological analysis of the abrupt change in the Saker’s economic and legal circumstances. Under my own moniker it was posted today with two accompanying charts. These visualization have necessarily been omitted here…
Two key posts by the Saker, dated January 08 and 09, come just one day apart, yet they read as if separated by light years. In the first post the Saker voices a reasoned but contentious opinion regarding the foolhardiness of publishing offensive provocations in a time of mounting world tension. In the second post, written in the midst of the clamorous reaction to the “French September 11th”, the Saker reveals that his website has suffered critical defections in technical personnel who objected vehemently to the views he posted the day before. Their resignations have put the entire Saker “community”, presently consisting of 8 blogs written in 5 languages on 4 continents, at risk. All of a sudden the Saker finds himself under so much financial and legal strain that he has no choice but to issue an appeal for philanthropic aid.
The vertiginous reversal experienced by the Saker is yet another instance of an extremely fraught course of events signified by the repeated quadratures of Uranus and Pluto that have taken place over the past several years. The Charlie Hebdo massacre has summoned forth a cast of characters who will not be placated with worldly humour or sublime forgiveness. Driven by a retaliatory lex talionis, those who have had one eye gouged out provide grim direction for those who have lost both.
While the Saker’s birthdata and exact place or residence are unavailable (and under the current circumstances are likely to remain so), one can at least erect charts for the precisely-timed moments at which these two articles were uploaded onto the internet. (I have set both charts arbitrarily at Gainsville, Florida.) Through these two charts one can appreciate the shift in circumstances that precipitated the crisis at The Vineyard of the Saker.
In the first chart Saturn at 01Sagittarius37 closely conjoins the Descendant at 03Sagittarius30. Tenanting the Sign that encompasses the functions of the Higher Mind, Saturn inclines towards orthodox or fundamentalist forms of religious expression. Adjoining the western horizon of the January 08 event chart, Saturn signifies the Saker’s intention to respect a time-tested way of knowledge that continues to shape the lives of more than a billion people. In this same chart a Fourth-House Moon at 28Leo18 opposes Mars at 27Aquarius10 within one degree. This fleeting aspect potentiates the opposition of Mars to retrograde Jupiter at 21Leo06, an aspect associated with righteous militancy. Since this first chart lacks a significant contact between the inner planets and the Uranus/Pluto quadrature, the latter operates, as it were, in the background.
In the second chart for January 09 Saturn is submerged in the Fourth House while the opposition of Jupiter to Mars lies in parallel with the horizon. Being (according to astrological jargon) “in paran”, the Mars/Jupiter opposition assumes added significance in determining the tone of the moment. We can picture the Saker, represented by retrograde Jupiter conjoined the Ascendant at 24Leo25, engaged in a fierce struggle, challenging his feckless opponents while soliciting internet allies, both constituencies being represented by Mars at 28Aquarius08 in close conjunction with the Descendant. But now the Moon no longer reflects the Mars/Jupiter dynamic. Instead, at 13Virgo03 it forms a close approaching trine to Pluto at 13Capricorn28. In this hour of dire need the Moon (ie, one’s intuitive/emotional function) appeals humbly to Daddy Warbucks in his angelic guise, even though financial assistance from Big Capital will undoubtedly come with strings attached, compromising the blog’s independence. This is an outcome signified by the Moon’s concurrent quincunx to Uranus, posited at 12Aries43 in the Eighth House. The fact that this last aspect is now separating suggests that the Saker has already accepted the consequences of his decision.
No matter one’s political persuasion, it awakens compassion to read the Saker’s anguished appeal in this harsh astral light. All the same, one looks forward to a just and peaceful outcome.
One love.
Bul****t
The Islamic extremist ideology is a manipulation and a distraction from what is really happening. The subjective psychology and motives of the terrorists are almost irrelevant to an understanding of these events. It suffices to say that they are young, socially adrift and easily manipulated. The question is who is manipulating them and to what end. Who recruits them? So-called “Imams” who are really MI5/MI6/CIA controllers, based in mosques in “Londonistan”. In this case, what is the real intent behind the attack? This is a British operation, not a French one. It is a punishment and a warning to France and President Hollande not to deviate from the insane Anglo-American policy of sanctions against Russia, which Hollande announced on Jan 5 should be ended. The attack came the next day. Hollande has said France will “never cave in” to the pressure, but this pressure is not really to censure cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, it is pressure to toe the crazy Anglo-American policy against Russia. Hollande must now act like DeGaulle and assert the national interests of France against “perfide Albion”. The British monarchy and its special relationship with the Saudi monarchy is the ultimate center of all international terrorism. Prince Bandar bin Sultan, who is the most prominent leader of international terrorism, should be understood as a British/Saudi agent, as indeed should the Anglophile Bush family that has been controlling U.S. policy for decades.
A couple of points that I think need to be considered:
When France chose to participate in NATO airstrikes against Yugoslavia, it was taking a stand contrary to that of Charles Martel and the 14th century Serbs of Vojvodina and Kosovo against Islamic incursion in Europe. It was in fact defending the right of Muslims to enter Europe en masse and in a nonassmilationist role.
Whether that as a good or wise decision is open to nuanced differences of opinion. I myself was strongly opposed to the bombing. Western Europe, having chose the NATO path with the resulting destruction of Yugoslavia must accept that it has decided to become a pluralistic continent and relinquish old notions of Christian or agnostic French superiority.
That being the case, it seems obvious, that fostering mutual understanding and respect among religious and ethnic groups is not only desirable but necessary. It is not really a matter of freedom of speech but of wisdom and conciliation. How can France maintain such a sizable Muslim population and expect to engage in journalistic defamation and foreign attacks on Muslims nations without a violent response?
In other words I substantially agree with the Saker’s, including his opening paragraph denouncing terrorist acts, and would like to extend the thought a little historically.
It also brings to mind the virulent racist caricatures of Jews during the liberal Weimar period and what this demonization contributed to, after a considerable period of Christian-Jewish compatibility in Germany. A similar situation of mutual acceptance had been found in Yugoslavia, only to be blow apart by NATO, with France acting as Clinton’s handmaiden.
What goes around comes around aka blowback. And it should be obvious that once the floodgates are opened then there is no choice in Europe but to bend over backwards to accept and respect religious and cultural differences and try to live like Yugoslavians.
I find it very foolish for anyone to want to identify with Charlie. In fact I’d say it is a position that can only lead to more polarization and tragedy. I only identify with my own views. But if one wanted to pick someone to claim identity with it would be more worthwhile to chose someone like Tito.
Dear Mr. Saker and The Readers,
If I may, I would like to submit one correction. You stated, “Oh, and did I mention that in Islam blasphemy is a crime punishable by death?”
Actually, there is no such thing.
The only law giving authority in Islam is Quran. According to Quran, one can keep on cursing and throwing profanities on God and prophets (including Mohammed) all his life without any fear – psychiatric treatment aside.
To hammer in this particular point, and to cut the root of intolerance for ever, The God (per quran) states, “Some of the people will curse and throw profanities upon me and my messengers (prophets), it is not up to you to stop them or punish them. If I had so wished, I would have smited them. But, all of you have been given the freedom to chose.”
All this insanity and so the called ‘laws’ are drawn from the “Talmudized Islam” and the filthy idiocy that is known as the “Sharia” Law – And, you know who are the sponsors of this “version” of Islam.
As for me: I am Just a Human – belonging to the human community – No other affiliations. Beside my other indulgences, I have spent time reading and taking notes of all the major religious books; various versions of Bible, Torah, Talmud, Quran, and the books of Hindu religion (Bhagvad Gita, Ramayana, and a bit of Vedas).
You can find my writings at The Views and Previews.
Those debates can go forever, most of you here are really missing the point.
God created every being (human, animal, plants, insects,…) with LOVE and PERFECTION.
Human beings created religions, idealism, preferences, racism (including some races who think they are the chosen ones and better than the others), wars, torture, etc…
Yes, many governments use fear every day to control their citizens, so do religions using fear of devils and hell which have never been created by our creator and will never be.
Yes brothers and sisters, you still miss the point, you all think our lives are lonely and independent from each other, that we can do whatever we want with who ever we choose to and the hell with the rest, we don’t feel any responsibility or regrets, we don’t feel concerned what happens to our fellows.
One truth is (and there is not just one truth but many) we all come from one big soul, we A L L have one “mother” who really feels sad to see us fight and kill for an ideology or another made up reason, but will never intervene because she created us FREE with FREEWILL, she still talks to us and tries to bring reason, but the saddest part is that only few listen as all the others think that god only spoke to some chosen prophets one or 2 or 3 thousands years ago then stopped talking to people since.
Please listen to her and ask her, do not just believe me, I am no one but I can assure you that all your theories, philosophies, analysis, condemns, judgments etc… will not save you and are helpless.
If you want to save yourself, your children and the others, the ultimate weapon and defence are LOVE.
And one last advice, if you don’t know what to do, think what LOVE will do and do it.
Your theories and judgments might be all right, follow them if you think they will save you, but imagine for one minute they are false or misleading, do you know the consequences? Well just look around you and you will see: intolerance, hate, wars, starving, torture, killing etc…
You are FREE to keep on doing what you were doing or stop a minute and THINK, the future is yours as you create it every minute of your life, so be ready for the consequences of your actions and stop blaming the others, WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE.
Thank you
Global Research scrutinized the execution video:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-the-charlie-hebdo-execution-video-really-shows/5424505
why are comments blocked or get “washed out upon posting” on the Charlie Hebdo psyops report dated january 18th????
There are no old comments on that post, because comments are still be transferred from the old blog. But there is one new comment and test comments, it seems to be working. Please try to post something there again now, while we’re watching.
…and voila. France enacts a new surveillance law that allows intelligence agencies to tap phones and emails without judicial permission. It’s sparked protests from civil liberties groups, but it’s too late.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/05/france-passes-new-surveillance-law-in-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-attack