Russian MFA 🇷🇺, [4/2/22 8:11 AM]
#Opinion by Maria Zakharova
💬 A few bloggers have reported today that official Chanel brand stores abroad are refusing to sell their products to Russian nationals.
Allegedly, Chanel customers must sign a form saying that they will not take the items sold by the brand to the Russian Federation, as per some internal document of the boutique chain.
We are a very patient and forgiving country. We have forgiven everyone for everything, turned the page and cleared the way for the future. But if the way turns out to be a ring road, we will break the vicious circle.Seems like those running the legacy of the “great Coco” have found a way to join the Russophobic “cancel Russia” campaign.
Weird, right? What’s the link between Russia’s anti-Nazi operation and the French fashion house?
But the link is there. We just opened a closet to find some well-preserved 80-year-old skeletons.
During World War II, Coco Chanel herself was a collaborator and a Third Reich agent. She is widely known to have had connections to the occupation authorities in France. Baron Hans Guenther Freiherr von Dincklage, an attaché of the German government in charge of the Nazi propaganda in Paris, was among her dearest friends.
Coco Chanel, also known as informer F-7124 as per Abwehr records, supported the German masters of Paris so much that she took part in the attempts to organise secret negotiations between the Reich and the United Kingdom. One should say that the Germans valued Coco and had her live in a luxurious apartment at the Ritz hotel, while ordinary Parisians struggled to make ends meet under the German occupation, while the country’s economy was under enormous strain.
Moreover, the fashion designer accepted the help of the Nazis to reach her business goals. Before the war, she sold her Chanel No. 5 production facility to Jewish manufacturers. Then, she engaged the Germans to try and reclaim the rights to the perfume sale profits.
After France was liberated, she was called to answer for all of that. The fashion house does not advertise it but Coco was arrested at the end of the war. She was later released as a favour to Churchill (and here is London again) and was banned from France after the occupation was over, for years, residing in the “neutral” Switzerland.
The brand’s management has always emphasised that the Chanel house traditions are as strong as ever. Well, no doubt about that now. Investigative reporter Hal Vaughan wrote about the founder of the fashion house: “The Nazis were in power, and Chanel gravitated to power.”
The brand was never bothered by such things as concentration camps, mass killings and war crimes perpetrated by the SS and Gestapo divisions.
We are a very patient and forgiving country. We have forgiven everyone for everything, turned the page and cleared the way for the future.
But if the way turns out to be a ring road, we will break the vicious circle.
And the Chanel house can get back to square one and support Nazism, just like its founder did. But now everyone will know.
Yes, of course posted by Amarynth, for the women here!
Well spoken – didn’t know that story.
As it comes from Ms. “Z” – it will most likely go around the world.
Chapeau!!
Dear Maria pointedly as always.
Balm for the soul, to read educated words from a competent politician.
My advice for my historically clueless compatriots:
“If you really wanna no, what happened in the past, ask a Russian.”
Very well explained,, of course I will never buy anything from them.
I like that advice. I shall retain and share it.
Before you post that one should also mentioned why she did it. She herself was exploided by members of a certain religion who forced her basically to hand over the biggest part of the company with unfair gag contracts. During the war she got her company back. After the war she was blackmailed by the same group again. She had to hand over the whole company and got for the rest of her life her personal costs covered. The same people own the company today. And someone who wants to look behind the curtain knows very well who are the fanatic russophobs. I wished we could call them out by name and not use that sock puppet they created in Ukraine.
And this from a fellow scared to say Jew or scared to say Zionist or scared to say Nazi.
I give up or rest my case or something. Babble on .. I guess. But go and do it somewhere else.
“The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud.”
Coco Chanel,
Chanel was born in 1883 into poverty in the French countryside; her mother died, and her father abandoned her to an orphanage, and that’s how it all began.
As a woman I do think it is good to be open, and certainly to think for oneself. I never was a perfume girl, but I certainly admire courage wherever it shows.
Two beautiful women with style, Maria Zakharova from Russia, Coco Chanel from France,
Sorry, I see no reason at all to compare Maria Zakharova with Coco Channel. Supposedly because they are “two beautiful women with style”???!!!
It truly feels like we are living far deep beyond the twilight zone anymore, right?! It is as if nearly everyone are high on lsd or tranquilizers. It is becoming painful to live amongst these people. Hurts the soul. I see how what the West/US has been doing to Russia via Ukraine, has been to torture Russia spiritually, as much as psychologically. The old wounds being ripped back open. It is mind boggling the extant of evil the ghouls who rule over the West go (and have gone) to eliminate Russia. Shocking, in fact; the more I learn.
Comparisons are odious, as the well known phrase says, and I do not compare, I have endeavoured to distance myself from the whole discussion and article by stating an objective truth,”Two beautiful women with style, Maria Zakharova from Russia, Coco Chanel from France,”
Unfortunately, transparency, history and objectivity are rare commodities and unprofitable on all levels….
can it be “tranquila” with an “a”? “o” is for males in Spanish.
Precisely. The Hitler question is extremely difficult because it is not as it is told and not what it seem, but at the same time it is. Hitler had his good reasons, but his clean race politics was disgusting.
Different figures in Sovjet from the “group” were diabolic too. Its smokey landscape. I still havent reached a conclusion other than this part of history is falsified and very foggy.
But, extremely bad style from Chanel. This is for sure.
“The Hitler question is extremely difficult because it is not as it is told and not what it seem, but at the same time it is.” Also, “his clean race politics was disgusting.”
Exactly. Hitler, had he won, would have tried to oppress (unsuccessfully) Russia forever. He made clear that he was not in favor of the conquered areas flourishing much in the future, wanted them below Germany always. He probably, most likely would have allowed prosperity to flourish in Europe, except not in Russia. That’s the way it is, but at the same time it’s not what it seems. He picked Goering as his number 2 man. He did not care that Goering was not like that, or even about how he was. Goering sort of assumed that Hitler was like him. He made this clear at Nuremberg, when he said Germany would have kept Ukraine and a little more (maybe he said the Baltic states), but would have left the rest basically alone under a certain political order which he named (can’t recall). And Hitler was like that with the rest too. In politics, he fixed only the big superstructure, leaving most details to underlings to do as they saw fit. Even when he disagreed, as for example he did with Himmler’s views on German history, he did not intervene. He would criticize their actions, but not intervene as a rule. It was in military affairs that he wanted to control as much as he could…It was so much so that underlings would sometimes disobey his orders. At most, he would remind them to execute his order, but not punish them for having tried not to do it. He would have been brutal against Russia. A successor like Goering would have “liberalized” a lot. As for the mass murders based on race at concentration camps, Goering could not believe it, making clear that that’s not the man he knew. He believed the Western powers were making that up.
The Western powers actually did make that up. Nurnberg trial was nothing but post-war propaganda. The numbers are all fake and the factory-like killing infrastructures never existed. Unfortunately these lies still endure, backed both by the West and Russia.
When things are foggy, I try facts.
Fact is Nazism had race theories about the Aryan superior race and untermenchen race like Jews, Gypsies, Slavics, Coloured, Jehova Witness, disabled, eugenics, m.m.
Maybe normal at the time from the British slave Empire, but conclusion can only be “a disgusting system”.
The Nürnberg Laws about racial marriages and racial separation were against human nature, and we have documents from Red Cross about work camps under prison conditions whether or not it was 6 million or less, or Zyklon was included..
Torture was frequent in the occupied countries from Gestapo and SS against resistance, and Russia say they have documented atrocities on a lot of Russian villages from the invasion.
The Allied and Sovjet is said to have been worse on rape on German women, the American way of bombing everything that walks we all know, ……………so?
He should have atleast mentioned Wertheimer by name. So much pussy footing around, but yes, they gave Coco a nice flat on Blvd Hausmann and took everything for a song. She being a strong woman, who would sleep with power, did with the Nazi’s. Sadly she never got Chanel or Coco back.
A great manifestation of the Streisand effect. Well done, Chanel owners!
Now everyone knows about Chanel’s connection to the Nazis and the Jewish defrauding of Chanel. Twofer!
@Anna – I’m intrigued. What is the Streisand effect?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
The Streisand effect is a phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of increasing awareness of that information, often via the Internet.
It is named after American singer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project’s photograph of her residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew greater attention to the photograph in 2003.[1]
Attempts to suppress information are often made through cease-and-desist letters, but instead of being suppressed, the information receives extensive publicity, as well as media extensions such as videos and spoof songs, which can be mirrored on the Internet or distributed on file-sharing networks.[2][3] The Streisand effect is an example of psychological reactance, wherein once people are aware that some information is being kept from them, they are significantly more motivated to access and spread that information.[4] In some cases, seeking or obtaining an injunction to prohibit something from being published leads to increased publicity.
Mike Masnick of Techdirt coined the term in 2005 after a holiday resort issued a takedown notice to urinal.net (a site dedicated to photographs of urinals) over its use of the resort’s name.[5][6]
How long is it going to take before lawyers realize that the simple act of trying to repress something they don’t like online is likely to make it so that something that most people would never, ever see (like a photo of a urinal in some random beach resort) is now seen by many more people? Let’s call it the Streisand Effect.[6]
The term alluded to Barbra Streisand, who in 2003 had sued photographer Kenneth Adelman and Pictopia.com for violation of privacy.[7][8] The US$50 million lawsuit endeavored to remove an aerial photograph of Streisand’s mansion from the publicly available collection of 12,000 California coastline photographs.[2][9][10] Adelman photographed the beachfront property to document coastal erosion as part of the California Coastal Records Project, which was intended to influence government policymakers.[11][12] Before Streisand filed her lawsuit, “Image 3850” had been downloaded from Adelman’s website only six times; two of those downloads were by Streisand’s attorneys.[13] As a result of the case, public knowledge of the picture increased greatly; more than 420,000 people visited the site over the following month.[14] The lawsuit was dismissed and Streisand was ordered to pay Adelman’s legal fees, which amounted to $155,567.[15][16][17]
There is a famous story that when she was confronted at the end of WW2 she replied “my (the C word) is international but my heart is French”.
Canalhas! Canalhas! Canalhas!
Scoundrels! Scoundrels! Scoundrels!
Hugo Boss make a german military uniforms for ss too! He was collaborator too!
You mean the nasty SS who were in charge of the slave labor camps, such as Auschwitz.. which had, (published).. 3 orchestras, one a woman’s, a band that played at official ceremonies, 2 swimming pools, a brothel, special privileges for pregnant inmates, (over 1000 births), and.. hey, Jewish docs treated the guards.
Vents on the alleged chamber’s roof were added AFTER the war during Soviet occupation according to aerial photos! In any case, the vents would have vented onto the German sick bay, on the adjoining building’s 1st Fl. A brick from the wall of the alleged gas chamber that was analyzed by Max Plancke Inst. scientist Germar Rudolf showed sufficient Zyclone B gas to DELOUSE. The German Govt imprisoned him for a few years for stating facts. Also it was calculated that it would have beyond now to cremate 6M with the available facilities.
IRC records showed 1/4M died of typhus and..malnutrition, that thanks to the brave Brit RAF pilots who bombed the camp food convoys. Guess who would have oredered t hat, eh? and
Fine let the French have their perfume – they’re going to need them a lot since by the increase in cost of energy, most likely they would avoid taking hot showers on a regular basis
Antidote to Chanel and their overpriced office worker uniformes is Edith Piaf, enjoy:
https://youtu.be/rzeLynj1GYM
Ahh yes, the little sparrow. Another born in poverty
No wonder I never liked her stuff or smells!
Coco Mademoiselle is what I buy all my girlfriends
Magnificent!
Truth is the most ethical of all weapons.
I admire MZ unreservedly but this piece misfired a bit for me. She writes:
“What’s the link between Russia’s anti-Nazi operation and the French fashion house? But the link is there. We just opened a closet to find some well-preserved 80-year-old skeletons.”
\No, there is no link. Coco, whatever she did during WWII, is dead and her business, now owned by chosen billionaires, carries no ideologic “legacy.”
Looking for links going from “80-year-old skeletons” to today’s rabid russophobia manifested in some of the most brainless “bans” imposed by private businesses for the sake of “virtue signaling” is a waste of time and FOCUS.
Did Channel stop selling to Israel when it was using phosphorus bombs on defenseless Palestinians? Did they ban exports to the US when the US “came, saw, and he died?” The list can go on and on. And it has nothing to do with “nazi” sympathies. The neo-nazi thugs in Ukraine are just the ISIS or AlQaida du jour.
MZ should have advised Channel instead to start manufacturing lots of thermal garments for export to Europe instead. They will need them this coming winter.
Your comment oversights one key phrase in Zacharova’s polemic: “The brand’s management has always emphasised that the Chanel house traditions are as strong as ever.”
These corporate predator brands are explicitly about image and implicitly about whatever it takes. Z is pointing to the deep dissonance, or perhaps vile alignment, within Chanel’s virtue signalling in this instance comparative to what it otherwise projects as its core character.
Propaganda relies heavily upon dissonance. With that it acts systemically to overwhelm the victims’ capacity to consciously parse the conceptual contradictions and refractions that lie behind the emotive payloads delivered by the message elements. Deceit is innate and officially ratified at the structural level of Western socio-economic function.
Sie kennen die Europäische Union nicht. Es gibt nur Verbindungen zum III. Reich, überall. Sie waren längere Zeit verdeckt, aber nun ist der Tag gekommen, an dem die Kroptonazis wieder offene Nazis sein können. Hitlers „Neues Europa“.Leider kennen viele Leute weder die Geschichte des „Neuen Europa“, noch die heutige Realität der EU. Und das wäre etwas viel, das hier alles nachzuholen.
Aber auch ohne genaue Kenntnis: Merken Sie es nicht? Der Vernichtungswille gegen Rußland und alles russische, die Begeisterung? Nicht für die Ukraine, die ist denen Kanonenfutter. Begeisterung für die Nazis in der Ukraine, Begeisterung, endlich wieder Nazi sein zu dürfen.
Yandex-Übersetzung:
You do not know the European Union. There are only connections to the Third Reich, everywhere. They were covered up for a long time, but now the day has come when the crypto Nazis can be open Nazis again. Hitler’s “New Europe”. Unfortunately, many people do not know either the history of the “New Europe” or the current reality of the EU. And that would be a bit much to make up for all that here.
But even without exact knowledge: do you not notice it? The will to destroy Russia and everything Russian, the enthusiasm? Not for Ukraine, they are cannon fodder. Enthusiasm for the Nazis in Ukraine, enthusiasm to finally be allowed to be a Nazi again.
http://freenations.net/the-european-unions-evil-pedigree-berlin-1942/
*INTRODUCTION by Rodney Atkinson:
*The most precise blueprint for the
structure and indeed the protectionist and corporatist political economy
of the 1957 founded “European Economic Community” which we now know as
the European Union, was the publication in 1942 in Berlin of the
“Europaeische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft” (…)
The main paper which follows was delivered by Walther Funk,
Reichsminister for the Economy, President of the Reichsbank and Minister
for Post-War Planning. (…)
The use of the same title for the
project – “European Economic Community” suggests that the founding
fathers of the EU recognised that there would be a degree of brand
recognition and loyalty to the vision of the Nazi project amongst the
political classes, which could be carried forward to its post war (…)
Dr. Hallstein, the first president of the EEC Commission, had been a
member of at least six Nazi organisations … As State Secretary at the West German Foreign Office, Hallstein
had been responsible for the “Hallstein Doctrine” which denied German
diplomatic recognition to Eastern European states which recognised the
communist regime in East Germany. A major effect of this was that Nazi
war criminals were not extradited to face trial in Eastern European
countries where most Nazi atrocities had occurred. They were free to
continue their careers in the civil service, police, politics, local
administration and business.
The EU bureaucracy has a powerful life of its own. Until recently, EU
institutions and policies have often served as a cloak for long-held
ambitions of the German political class. Now that the mask has fallen,
we shall see whether the future of Europe will be German or European and
whether the European Union itself will collapse alongside its once
eponymous, unlamented, wartime forerunner.
*Europaeische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft*
*EUROPEAN ECONOMIC COMMUNITY*
by
Reichs Economy Minister
and President of the German Reichsbank Walter Funk
(…)It was not until first the Fascist and then the National Socialist
revolutions that the basis for a new political and social order of life
in Europe was created.
First Benito Mussolini and then Adolf Hitler gave
Europe the chance to become truly European. Now at last the time has
finally come when the people of Europe, in their understandable striving
for economic security, can make the decisive step to co-operation. After
this second world war, there will be no tensions in the European
Economic Area and no more grounds for conflict to be exploited by
narrow, cramped and therefore profitless isolation. (…)
No nation in Europe can by itself achieve the
necessary scale of economic fredom to meet all social demands. They must
always rely on the productive capacity of their neighbours within Europe
– near and far. (…)
A community of fate holds them together
in a great economic area. This space can however feed and clothe them
and amply supply them with all necessary goods, especially when it is
extended by the inclusion of the East European districts. (…)
One of the decisive forces which brought the idyll of small states to an
end was the revolutionisation of the economy through technical advance –
especially the steam engine.
If now instead of Germany we consider Europe, we come naturally,
impelled by pure economics, if not to the same then to very similar
conclusions. (…)
The Will to build a European Community (…)
The will towards European Community
effort, as it is forged under hard wartime conditions must become the
leading concern of the basic, ruling economic theory in peacetime too.
That means a constant effort to understand the great objectives and
coming tasks and to get stuck into them.
It also means a readiness in
certain circumstances to subordinate one’s own interests to those of the
European Community. That is the highest goal which we require from the
European states and we are striving to attain it. In individual cases
this will mean sacrifices but the outcome is that all peoples will benefit. (…)
Europäische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft,
Autor: Walther Funk; Verein Berliner Kaufleute und Industrieller.; Berlin. Wirtschaftshochschule. Haude & Spener
34 other texts of this kind (in German)
Quellen zur Neuordnung Europas
https://archive.org/details/QuellenZurNeuordnungEuropasTeil1
Benito Mussolini was a pompous, moronic, coward.
@John Magafuli, Many thanks for publishing the Nazi blueprint that became the European Economic Community. As an ardent Europhile I can only grin ruefully at yet another historic irony. The Devil knows how to use Scripture for his own purposes, and the road to Hell is paved with good intentions..
Thank you very much, Maria Zakharova, for informing me about this. I will not buy from this Nazi brand again.
I consider myself a lady “with style,” which is why I have had tasteful St George ribbons shaped as “Z” sewn on my coat and jackets. Not huge but visible from across the street… .I walked a few times slowly up and down the sidewalk where the RF embassy is but the only person who saw me was the security guard (not Russian but a local). Bummer.
In public places people look at it but no one asked me what it is. These people are irritatingly polite! In the US I would surely be asked by someone.
There is a kiosk selling flags of various countries and I asked if I can buy a Russian flag (to display in my window). No luck. In this country (continent rather) obsessed with football, they only sell flags of the countries whose selections have qualified and are FIFA kosher.
Heard some of this in Geneva – there is much more.
Look up Mitterrand – the stink of Vichy, Nazi collaborateur of Petain, Laval, and I do not mean Eau de Vichy perfume, or maybe I do, hangs in the air.
Time to open more KGB files….
Hurrah !
Thank you for this moment that seems straight out of a post-war novel (I’m talking about the second war) and that could talk about how we can wash “more white than white” the collaborationnistes.Il do not forget Liliane Bettencourt, daughter of the famous collaborationist Eugène Schueller, founder of L’Oréal…this billionaire family was also washed whiter than white, but Wikipedia does not talk about it.
Reading the headlines of NATO newspapers, especially since the Ukrainian war, I can’t help but think about John Dos Passos and his 42-th parallel.
Cagoules are not a fashion thing!
And then you might want to look up the links between Mitterand, Schueller who provided office space to the Sondergruppen Mitterand belonged to, and the murder of practically the entire population of Oradour-sur-Glane.
Near the end of the war they all suddenly and not surprizingly belonged to the good guys…
After reading this article, I read about her on Wikipedia and found that she did like Russians.
She had an affair with Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich of Russia (grandson of Tsar Alexander II of Russia and a first cousin of Tsar Nicholas II), and stayed a close associate of his.
She helped Russian composer Igor Stravinsky settle in France in 1920 and let him and his family live at her house for 8 months until they could find their own place to live. She funded the production of his ballet Le Sacre du Printemps (‘The Rite of Spring’). She also designed for the Russian ballet for many years. She “threw herself into designing dance costumes for the Ballets Russes. In the years 1923–1937, she collaborated on productions choreographed by Diaghilev and dancer Vaslav Nijinsky, notably Le Train bleu, a dance-opera; Orphée and Oedipe Roi.”
She did Slav/Russian inspired designs in the early 1920’s. “One 1922 evening dress came with a matching embroidered ‘babushka’ headscarf. In addition to the headscarf, Chanel clothing from this period featured square-neck, long belted blouses alluding to Russian muzhiks (peasant) attire known as the roubachka.”
And her dislike of the Jews seems to be due to the Russian Revolution and Bolsheviks. “She shared with many of her circle a conviction that Jews were a threat to Europe because of the Bolshevik government in the Soviet Union”
“After reading this article, I read about her on Wikipedia and found that she did like Russians.
She had an affair with Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich of Russia (grandson of Tsar Alexander II of Russia and a first cousin of Tsar Nicholas II), and stayed a close associate of his.”
“She liked Russians” ….. question … Which Russians? Such as Navalny, Khodrokovsky ? Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich was one of the killers of Grigory Yefimovich Rasputin, whom he personally drowned after being shot and hit on the head by other assassins.
Russians say that if Rasputin had lived it would have been possible to avoid the participation of Russia in the First World War, and consequently the October Revolution. Who was the world interested in that? The same money that now wants to destroy Russia.
It would have been impossible for Russia to avoid WWI, as the Germans were determined to attack a rising Russia without more delay:
“I have read the minutes of the Austrian cabinet meeting which decided on the ultimatum and it is quite obvious that they intended it to be unacceptable to any country. In fact, Austria had been spoiling for a fight with upstart Serbia for ten years.
The Imperial German government had, in effect, given Austria a ”blank cheque” of support for dealing with Serbia which would bring Russia into the war.
It is often forgotten that, at the time, the Russian economy was booming rather like China has done recently and the German General Staff thought it would be easier to defeat Russia sooner rather than later, when it would have completed its railway system and modernized its infrastructure.” Edward Spalton
Russia’s participation in the war could have been avoided. But certain people, “friends of Coco,” pushed for war. After all, the only result of the war for Russia was the revolution and the ritual murder of the Tsar and his Family.
I repeat, the strings against Russia are pulled by the same money now and 100 years ago.
Much of the Western historical literature is worth this much and the modern propaganda of the West.
@jojo – Thanks for the historical perspective.
One great mistake of wokeism imo is that all history is judged by todays moral standard. We should not make the same mistake here and judge a complex woman who lived a complex life in complicated times and is long dead by the present day actions of a European luxury brand.
Instead let us try to deal with the proto-Nazis, the crypto-Nazis, and their fascist supporters in our own way, and allow Coco to make peace with her Maker.
Stravinsky’s fascist sympathies are well known.
I’m starting to notice that nazism never really went away in western Europe. And how could it? It was the child of western militaristic depravity and, colonialism and racism. And as far as I know, those three things are still alive and well in the west.
The Nazis never really surrendered. At the end of the war, when they knew defeat was certain, they started making deals with the west, mainly the US. There are strong indications that the Germans managed to develop and successfully test nuclear weapons before their defeat. But they realized that even the successful use of a (or a couple of) atom bomb(s), and take out for instance Manhattan New York, wouldn’t win them the war. And only reduce their chances of striking favorable deals with the US. So they used it as a bargaining chip with the US and transferred their enriched uranium (and plutonium) stocks over to the US. Which enabled the US to build the first 3 atom bombs allegedly a couple of years earlier that it independently would have been able to. This based on documents that were declassified decades later in which I believe Oppenheimer stated in early 1945 that it would take 2 to 3 years to enrich enough fission material to construct 3 bombs, conforming to their current plans and design. And 3 months later they were finished.
As a result of the secret deals between the US and the Nazi leaders many German scientists were relocated to the US together with the associated documents, blueprints and available hardware. The German intelligence network in eastern Europe under the command of Reinhard Gehlen was integrally incorporated into US intelligence known then as the OSS which later evolved into the CIA. And the German scientist and industrial experts absorbed by the US played an important role in advancing their respective combined industries and agencies into the military(including space) and intelligence (including big tech) industrial complex that it is today. That is why some people call the USA post WOII the ‘4th Reich.’ Unfortunately dealing with the devil doesn’t turn out well in the long term.
Martin Bormann and Joseph Mengele (some claim Hitler also, but no tangible evidence to support that) and others were able to escape to South America. Others made it to Spain, Egypt (which turned out to be a little to close to Israel for comfort), South Africa and Indonesia. I suspect this post WOII international Nazi faction over time merged with the Western alliance.
Which reminds me of an other infamous incident known as the Roswell crash.
In declassified documents, released decades after the fact, a remarkable paragraph can be read, buried in dozens of pages that the total publication comprised off. Besides that one paragraph the documents were not related to the Roswell crash. It states that shortly after the 1947 Roswell crash 3 German paperclip scientist (including Wernher von Braun) were shown the wreckage and asked if they recognized anything in it. One of them was able to identify certain parts and applied technology from the wreckage. iirc one thing one of them identified was thrust vectored jet engines, with which he was familiar with from his work in nazi Germany during WOII were he worked on the first designs of this new tech. This seemed to be a further development of this same technology. Several other parts were also identified among the wreckage by some of 3 German scientists.
Which to me indicates very strongly that the supposed alien UFO that crashed there was in reality a high tech man made craft possibly build by a contingent of Nazis that escaped and continued at least some of the hightech development and production from Nazi Germany.
Assuming (for the sake of argument) that is correct IMO fits well with the official claims that were put out in the media shortly after the event. Imagine you are the intelligence officer leading the team to create a coverstory to hide the highly toxic details of the crash which would lead to the conclusion that the Nazis weren’t entirely destroyed but that part of it escaped and even continued some high tech research and development and were now flying around(spying) the most sensitive and sole US military base equipped with nuclear weapons.
So the cover story(s) must deflect from the most damaging info concerning the crash. And that was who was responsible for it’s construction and operation. So they put out 2 stories both as far away as possible from the to be concealed fact. The first story they put out claimed they had recovered an alien flying saucer. Completely doing away with the human origin of the craft and giving an explanation no researcher or journalist could do further research on. And, to give this extremely wild story some additional credence or for the people who didn’t believe the first story an other story, put out a day later. The 2nd story claimed it was one of their own(origin misdirected) weather balloons, again, something without human occupants (occupant misdirected, which also could lead to the origin).
“There is a famous story that when she was confronted at the end of WW2 she replied “my (the C word) is international but my heart is French”.
No that was said by female comedian Arletty. Who was too guilty of collaboration.
I am indebted to you, the old memory is not what it was
France seemingly involved with Ukrainian banderites
https://www.voltairenet.org/article216354.html
Looks like ‘les collaborateurs’ are still at it. Macron as chief must have known this recently talking to Putin, and vice versa…
I wonder if this incident triggered this report?
Well-known story in France but Maria Zakharova doesn’t need to fall in a tit for tat on such a futile motive.
West is despicable and will fail.
How long do you survive without N°5 perfume? How long do you survive without heating during winter?
Europeans (me included) will have to swiftly understand the meaning of the word “priority”.
There is no way Putin did not know of Macron’s recent duplicity – see voltaire net link above.
Anyway there goes the Yamal pipeline :
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gazprom-halts-gas-shipments-europe-critical-pipeline
Attempts to nationalize Gazprom/Rosneft German assets are too late – the horse already bolted.
How far will the geniuses push this?
MZ is always witty and informed, she is a lesson to our western puppets.
Among us tho: it’s always catchy to bring up nazis, even if the clowns in Ukraine are only stale copycats. Many well informed people in the West support Russia because we have enough of being run by the same greedy, inhumane throatcutters the nazis (the real ones) fought against. I am talking about the plutocrats, not the poor devils who got shot in some ghetto (although many pages of history should be rewritten there). They and their grandchildren are still running the world now, and they are running it against a wall. One classic example is Soros, who helped nazis get their hands on Jews’ money in Budapest.
Quite honestly, Chanel refusing to sell its products to Russian nationals is petty, but it is only the tip of the iceberg. I am much more concerned by the rabid Russophobia that has permeated all spheres of activities, business, trade, sports, arts and culture, science, etc. Russian athletes are now excluded from all major competitions. At the Paralympics, Russian athletes were banned. They could not even compete as “neutrals”. In soccer, the Russian national men’s team was barred from World Cup qualifications. In hockey, Russian athletes are banned from all international Ice Hockey Federation events, Sr, Jr, etc. Same in tennis, F1 Grand Prix, rugby, basketball, etc. Similar situations for cultural events: Ballet, concerts, Russian pavilion at the Venice Biennale. The western scientific community is also under tremendous pressure to cut ties with Russian scientists. Three specific examples: I live in the Greater Montreal Area. Just three weeks ago, the Montreal Symphony Orchestra cancelled young Russian classical pianist Alexander Malofeev’s performance. His crime? Being Russian! A few days later, a Montreal sport journalist called for the suspension of Alexander Ovechkin, one of the top 3 National Hockey League players over the last 20 years. I had been reading that journalist for years. Honestly, I had never seen him calling for the suspension of American athletes when USA was destroying Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, financing coups d’états, etc. At the University, we have been asked to “reappraise” our “scientific collaborations” with Russian scientists!
Russia is being cancelled!
The current rabid Russophobia has reached abysmal depth, unseen even during the Cuban missile crisis. In 1962, president John F. Kennedy and Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev could talk to each other. There was no “butcher”, “criminal”, “he must go”, no name calling, no ad hominem, etc.
Back to Chanel? Chanel should be banned in Russia for 10 years. It should be clear that all companies that boycott Russian nationals will be banned in Russia for 10 years.
Salaam-Sir I too am alarmed at the level of open unabashed hatred,vitriol shown by the “civilised people of the “developed ” and “free” “human rights world”-toward Russians and anything Russian or even Russian linked! This is open discrimination and RACISM.The mask has fallen of the face of the western world-plain now for all the universe to see! Then they speak of equality-they really mean the equality of their combined superior deceit! Neemarkaram. Lbgtq equality- where is the equality -really? I have just read where ‘perfidious albion’s” Sports Minister Nigel Huddelston ” stated “”Government policy is that Russia is a pariah on the world stage when it comes to sport,”! Athletes / participants “have to sign a declaration-“, Is this not denying your own citizenship,canceling your very self? You are now a nonperson-how vacous! What is a “NEUTRAL” participant’ what documents does one present? Where do I get a “neutral” passport for instance? Administrative genocide-canceling a whole people-via documentation branding! Last time it was a yellow star-history repeats .,./,”/ ? No, not in sports, nooo no,no Minister Huddleston! Oh boy what’s happens tomorrow or the day after-sir.The west is dead.Salaam.
“Chanel should be banned in Russia”
Perhaps corporations that support the goals of Empire and involve themselves in illegal sanctions should themselves be sanctioned and boycotted by Zone B.
Let’s start with Chanel.
No more Chanel No. 5 for Maria Z. any more then, I guess.
Gotta love that lady. What a class of her own, compared to the unspeakable Jen(s) Psaki.
I am amazed finding out that there are ALWAYS creatures ready to attempt to justify… the unjustifiable!
Hugo Boss was another one. he designed all the Nazis uniforms, the SS etc They sure looked sharp as they genocided mililons of jews and minorities gays, Gypsies, romanies, intellectuals and of course the Russians destroyed the Germans but, you know, what have real actual historical facts got to do with it? The West has become and incredibly sick, sick place but then the end is approaching for them, so they fight and cling like velcro, to lies and myths, desperately they want the lies to be true … but they aren’t and the end will come only with confusion and fear.
Maria please pass this on to Putin and relevant Russian leaders. We who support Russia wish you to stop expecting the west to want to be friends with Russia. Putin said it himself (“they don’t want to be friends with Russia”). Why is Russia being gentle with it’s approach? Be brutal! They won’t show mercy to Russia, Russia needs to make it hurt them! Russian supporters in the west are being flooded with “Ukraine just shot down another Russian this and that….”
Stop Expecting Good Relations With The West Please! They Hate US!
I don’t think the Russian leadership expect good relationship with the West in the forseable future, but the door will always be open. The war will end one day. You can not fight hatred with hatred end expect to win, only love can do that. Hatred is for the weak and broken, Love is for the strong and whole.
Surprisingly this is all documented pretty well in Wikipedia. Now that Ms Z has brought it up I assume Wikipedia will be scrubbed clean.
As for The Guardian, one can only assume they’ve received some generous donations from Chanel.
https://www.theguardian.com/childrens-books-site/2016/feb/24/top-10-amazing-facts-you-didnt-know-about-coco-chanel
She is a diplomat. Mod
Maria is the only politician who I have a crush for!
There is a young guy on Youtube named Sergey in St Petersburg. He walked through the Galeria mall in St Pete just after sanctions and tonight. Chanel was open both times. Tommy Hilfeger was as well. Starbucks closed.
French companies open like LaCoste. Italian mostly open like Armani. German – Lagerfeld open but Hugo Boss closed. People say Boss did the German WW2 uniforms but some said he was just a young designer then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DBlrROWET0&t=1631s
I have watched a few of Sergey’s videos around St Pete at night and day time.
1. No tattoos, pants falling off, no garbage in the street and no graffitti
2. Men and women couples holding hands.
3. People are clean and well dressed,
4. No fatties
5. No thugs, gang bangers or rappers.
6. Very clean shops with clean and helpful employees.
Russia looks like the USA around 1970s before hippies when the USA had a middle class. Or maybe a city like Munich before Merkel destroyed Germany. Russia can thank Putin and Russians hard work for creating a middle class in Russia. Before Putin, you saw people in Russia begging and things falling apart in chaos, like the USA today.
The USA, Canada, Europe and other places can thank the NWO-WEF-Soros-Klaus Schwab-Rothschilds-U.S. elites-WHO-CDC-Bill Gates and other vermin for destroying their middle class and opening the borders wide open for invasion.
Alive and Kicking – Simple Minds
Thing is, jealousy is a disease and those who find themselves lacking and inadequate in life are always prey to joining like losers in clubs/sects/cults/organisations that promote some kind of superiority over others.
I see many similarities between today’s and recent US Governments and the German Government (1939-45), in fact you’d be hard pressed to name many differences.
When you actually consider the prospective Parliaments (Congress/Senate ) in those two countries above, there was even more dissent within the Reichstag for Hitler’s increasing brutality than from within Biden/Trump/Obama/Bushwaker’s 2fer1 Party US Congress/Senate, where they all to a man and women (OK half a dozen dissent ) are currently baying for foreign blood & genocide.
Glaring proof that you could throw a blanket over the US/German/UK Establishments is that they share the same Banks and Financiers. The same Bankers and Financiers who seek to destroy Russia.
One can only conclude from today’s madness is that Euro Crime Bosses and Euro-peons are terrified of Freedom and caught up in the Stockholm Syndrome, with nil-by-mouth cognitive dissonance to recognise their captors.
Russia, China, India, Iran, Syria, Yemen and their Allies have all had a taste of Western Imperialism/Empire and their Peoples would rather spend one day on their feet than a lifetime on their knees. More than enough to thwart the Evil Empire, enough to destroy its maniacal ambitions.
less talk more action
one kalibr into the offices of Chanel
legitimate target as it is a racist organization, who supports demonization of a whole country
same with western media, they are all war-criminals
50-100 kalibars placed directly at western msm main offices and noone would dare to lie ever again
but will putin allow the right thing to be done? real denazification, not just a temporary one
where all banderistas are gonna hide in the west and come back with a vengance in 50-100 years time
Waste of a kaliber. Let them choke on their own vile fumes.
The msm offices are going to be the most tightly protected places in the empire of lies.It’s the only real and trustworthy weapon they have short of nukes–and I would not want to be depending on the latter being in working order, as everything else has been hollowed out.
And Hugo Boss made a fortune with… SS uniforms.
Wikipedia says: “He was an active member of the Nazi Party from 1931, and remained so until Nazi Germany’s capitulation. His clothing company also utilized forced labour drawn from German-occupied territories and POW camps, to manufacture uniforms for the SS and later the Wehrmacht.”
I never buy this brand, ever.
A former girlfriend of mine once told me Chanel No.5 smells like a combo of cheap lavender and cat’s piss.
A perfume that women of a ‘certain disposition’ working in a cheap bordello would douse themselves in.
There’s no accounting for personal tastes I suppose….
I’m a big fan of Maria on all levels.
I offer one comment: she should slightly soften the tones of her makeup. The contrasts are a little too harsh, IMHO.
If she wishes to contact me, I’ll happily forward my details.
Nazism is an inscrutable European phenomenon.
A big chunk of Europe were in favour of Nazis, perhaps even the substantial majority. And then suddenly it went out of favour. No ideology that had such massive support can be rooted out so easily.
The anti Russia aspect of Nazism is new to me. It explains a few things but not all.
The fashion industry is one of the most rightwing fascist/feudal industries existent. It is almost wholly based upon exploitation, scam and overpricing.
Vot Tak,
You forgot to add its overt mission, as proclaimed honestly by many of its prominent “designers.” Many were homosexuals who worked to transform society. A dark den of deviancy. The historical deconstruction of western clothing in the last century is a tale in itself. And not merely rightwing, many would have been welcomed into the Frankfurt School of Critical Theory.
Here was one of Chanel’s “creative directors” in his own words:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/karl-lagerfelds-controversies-how-chanel-14020244
“And not merely rightwing”
Actually it is almost all rightwing, but I appreciate your referral to them as merely. They are merelies, in the sense of humanity. The greed drive of the genetic neanderthals is their main motivation. As for the homosexual factor, they tend to be mostly rightwing, especially the closet cases, who are the majority.
I have heard that on Monday April 4, Pakistan’s equivalent of the Atlanticists are going to try to oust Imran Khan. As Khan seems willing to defy Western dictates, this would be too bad. However, I have heard no details of any of this; who would they want to replace him with, etc.
Most important, what do people here feel their chances of success are?
Antoinetta III
Imran Khan has dissolved parliament.
There should be elections soon.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1683230
Excellent post! Thanks very much for bringing her to the Saker community. I shall send it to the very few friends who still care to hear the truth.
Very petty approach to Russia by Chanel.
They only stand to lose business when the Russian economy powers ahead in decades to come.
What have Coco Chanel, Liz Truss and Ursula von der Leyen all got in common?
They’re all ugly. No amount of makeup or expensive clothing can fix that.
As for Chanel, the iconic No.5 stinks.
Look at their idiotic bags and the price tag. These are pre-owned:
https://www.farfetch.com/uk/shopping/women/designer-chanel-pre-owned/pre-owned-bags-1/items.aspx
Chanel Pre-Owned 1995-1996 tweed two-in-one handbag set £52,565 (Import duties included)
The word sucker springs to mind.
If one looks into the history of major European companies that pre-date WWII, perhaps needless to say German companies, but not only them, plus US corporations as well, you will find vast degrees of collaboration with the Nazi regime of Hitler. Hitler was, to a large extent, viewed as a saviour of capitalism, his “national socialism” being a kind of model for the model of state-corporate integrated management (revolving door) which the US had not fully developed but did so with the military industrial complex during & after WWII. Major fashion houses which are famous today, such as Hugo Boss, were very much part of the Nazi regime, Hugo Boss is notorious for designed & manufacturing Nazi German military uniforms. After the war, when Germany was allegedly “denazified”, practically no one had anything to say about the fact that the German industrial system that made the Hitler regime possible passed by unscathed & was fully reconstituted after the war. This is the same industrial system which today is a major proponent of the European Union & the process of integrating Europe into a federal superstate.
Once a collaborator, always a collaborator!
Nazism was early on prepared by Britain bringing the seed for a cult to grow from, but the most important component was british liberalism. Adam Smith was used to market the idea which Britains elite never intended to employ but this false marketing still has liberals in its hold. Real liberalism is an instrument for destruction of a society from within like predatory insects injecting a poison in the body of the prey and consuming the corpse.
For a liberal the common good is not the real aim but rather to weaken everything that would allow it. They would never admit that but actions speak!
Nazism in Germany grew not only from old antisemitism but from liberalism operating as Britain intended. Bismarck identified liberalism with England but other observers identified liberalism with the jews. This was what the british elites were seeking to achieve so they got Bismarck out of the way. Bismarck got along too well with the bankers. He understood that there was no reason why Britain would be the only nation which could benefit from the financiers.
Why stop there?
BMW,Porsche,Bayer and Basf were all Nazi.
Bush and Kennedys were all business partners of the Nazis. Queen’s uncle was a Nazi ,and her mum.
ratm April 2nd?
Agreed. I suggested that some time ago. On the first minute of WWIII between Russia and the West,it should Kinzhal all major mass media offices. They have been warned and now their lives are forfeit. Journalists been presstitutes for at least since 9/11 Yank terminology. I know a few and thy are venal,not very smart and money hungry ,status_seekers.
Kill them all in a decapitation strike ,and we will likely have less jingoism to cause a worse war. Any journalist now should strive to be more truthful and independent , and aim to make a living by telling truths beautifully, rather than becoming rich by being a thinly -veiled propagandist of the government.
They have been warned.
Maria, Warrior Princess!
I wish I knew enough Russian to appreciate her sardonic wit.
Any chance she may one day be president?
The truth ever comes up
Very admirable from M. Zakharova! I believe I met her parents celebrating Pesakh at a Muslim minority resturaunt in Bĕijing less than a year before her birth. Having attended kinderkarten and top primary school in China, she has experienced how good non-French losions are for one’s skin and well.being, So she also is qualified to assess French perfumes and eaux de Cologne.
“celebrating Pesakh at a Muslim minority restaurant in Bĕijing..”
“Pesakh”… hmmm. So, you’re saying in China (or at least in some restaurants there) there are Muslim Jews… how quaint…
Recent events have left me with a distinctly bad impression of “highly renowned” artists. How do the Andy Warhols of the world become highly renowned? By tickling well-funded fancies. By giving the rich a way to demonstrate their “refined taste.” Look at all the woke Hollywood stars yapping away about stuff like “We’re all in this together” when nothing could be further from the truth, and I can only imagine what they are saying about Ukraine since I leave the room whenever one of them appears on the TV because we are eating (that’s where the TV is) and they make me want to vomit, but can count on relatives to give a reasonably faithful parroting.
I have no idea what Chanel smells like. The Japanese don’t use perfumes. They don’t need to. Furthermore, many have multiple chemical sensitivities. If I develop an odor, I run to the nearest washroom and wash up.
“”””””Chris* em 02 de abril de 2022 · às 15h40 EqST/EDT
Muito obrigado, Maria Zakharova, por me informar sobre isso. Não compro mais dessa marca nazista.””””””””
Ahhh, chegamos ao ponto!!!
Toda essa polêmica foi desencadeada a partir do fato de que uma russa não conseguiu comprar uma bujiganga produzida no âmbito do capitalismo ocidental e que está impregnada como ninguém de todos aqueles significados nefastos que tão bem o caracterizam.
Digamos que essa é uma boa oportunidade para desnudar um dos tantos episódios nebulosos que fazem parte da avançada fascista na europa e que nos permitem agora fazer uma análise sobre a relação de cama e mesa do capitalismo com esse fascismo que chegou ao poder financiado exatamente por esse capitalismo.
Está sendo imposta a Rússia, pela SEGUNDA vez, a tarefa penosa de cortar a cabeça da hidra que de tempos em tempos renasce porque é da natureza do capitalismo que isso aconteça. Que ninguém se iluda: se agora não forem criados os mecanismos para resolver definitivamente essa questão, essa cabeça crescerá novamente.
Primeiro de tudo falemos sobre o óbvio.
O episódio da bolsa é uma síntese perfeita e no melhor estilo da rusdofobia ancestral que a europa “branca e civilizada” corriqueiramente oferece.
Dito isso, que imagino ser óbvio para todo mundo, vamos especular noutra direção.
Por que uma russa precisa tanto de uma bolsa dessa “grife” ao ponto da porta voz do ministério de relações exteriores da Rússia vir a público se manifestar sobre esse episodio? Que magia tem essa bolsa para que em plena guerra contra uma nova avançada fascista ela ocupe a cena como está ocupando.
Ao tentar encontrar a resposta para isso temo que venhamos a nos deparar com uma série de questões embaraçosas. A começar pelo valor que um determinado objeto adquire no ambito do capitalismo e num determinado contexto que vai muito além da utilidade para a qual ele é concebido.
Então, para entender isso, precisamos discutir o valor simbólico que é agregado a determinados objetos e que atiçam o desejo de posse das pessoas.
Sempre soube que a tal coco teve literalmente relações de cama e mesa com o fascismo. Como também sempre soube que ela era uma típica capitalista e mantinha uma relação tirânica com seus funcionários. Só não sabia dessa chantagem a que foi submetida, o que em se tratando do meio em que ela vivia, infestado de cobras peçonhentas como ela mesma, não é nenhuma surpresa e tão pouco desperta em mim qualquer sentimento de solidariedade. Dane-se.
Sabendo disso, o meu primeiro impulso em relação a essa personagem é boicota-lá por inteiro. A ela e a tudo que dela emana. Especialmente os fetiches que ela produz e que trazem em si, no seu “valor simbólico agregado”, as marcas insanas de um capitalismo que segrega brutalmente pessoas pela capacidade que elas têm de possuir ou não tais “feiches”.
No entanto, tais aberrações e distorções, como a ambição de ostentar um objeto que é vendido por um valor infinitamente maior do que tudo o que ele contém de valor real em matéria prima, trabalho agregado e mesmo qualidade do produto, parece que nao mexe com os nervos de ninguém.
Todos querem os fetiches da coco. Mesmo quando se sabe que no limite tudo isso acaba produzindo o que estamos vendo exatamente nesse momento. Acaba numa guerra, que para além das questões estratégicas estritamente militares, também envolve uma disputa sobre narrativas e quais valores devem se impor e dar o rumo a uma sociedade.
Nessa disputa, boicotar o ocidente e tudo aquilo que ele chancela e impõe ao mundo como “valor” através de sua infernal máquina de propaganda, a mim parece ser uma tarefa improrrogável. A luta contra o fascismo também passa pela desmistificação dos “valores” ocidentais.
E tanto é verdade que essa legitimação ao ocidente e seus “valores” existe que alguém aqui nos comentários equiparou Zakharova a coco. Inacreditável, a comparação não poderia ser mais infeliz!!!
Por outro lado, tenho que admitir, me causa um certo desconforto a solodariedade dela a sua compatriota que não conseguiu comprar a tal bolsa, um artigo inegávelmente de “primeira necesdidade” – estou sendo irônico – que poderia ser adquirido em qualquer outro lugar por um preço justo e com boa qualidade.
Num mundo com tamanhas distorções sobre o que são valores, bem lá no fundo sou cutucando pelo temor e me pergunto se essa solidariedade de Zakharova um momento como esse também não estaria ligada a um certo fascínio que a faria drenar alguns recursos da economia russa para possuir o tal fetiche. Da forma como tudo está tão mal parado nada mais me surpreende.
Chegou as minhas mãos um vídeo sobre os crimes contra a humanidade perpetrados pelos facistas ucranianos contra os falantes de russo no leste da ucrânia. Fascistas esses que o ocidente “civilizado” e cristão financiou e armou por oito anos ininterruptamente – e ainda continua armando. O video é um apanhado geral do puro barbarismo que o ocidente paga para acontecer mas não quer ver. Entre tudo o que foi mostrado me chamou a atenção um menino de quatro anos, certamente um sobrevivente de algum bombardeio, que perguntava a sua mãe desesperada porque ele não conseguia mais abrir os olhos.
Então é isso, nós que ainda podemos abrir os olhos, temos a OBRIGAÇÃO de ver que por trás de toda essa infâmia sempre tem o dedo podre de alguma coco Chanel.