Am truly gobsmacked as you say !
All our saints are in this ( actually they have been in spite
of the Khazar Trotzkyist Bolshevik
usurpation/”revolution” in the Lands of the RUS)
and aid /help these full hearted, deep souled people /persons/ independence
fighters/ fathers/ women/ Freiwilligen / freedom fighters to liberate southern
Russia to the river Pruth ultimately . The Donbass will create the freedom of
Bessarabia and its annexed southern part. Slava Boghu !
Then Serbia will be avenged …
Optimist…
Dutch airline KLM has removed tracks by a Ukrainian musician from its in-flight entertainment system after complaints from a passenger involved in a group dedicated to ostracizing her.
[…]
I never knew there were so many Dutch nazis or that KLM was a fascist company.
There was always a large Dutch nazi group.The MSM just hides that ugly fact.As for KLM,they are a Western corporation.I would expect no better from them.
“The occupiers deported the majority of the country’s Jews to Nazi concentration camps, with the cooperation of the Dutch police and civil service. In fact, the Netherlands saw one of the highest levels of collaboration during the Holocaust of any occupied country. As a result about 75% of the country’s Jewish population were killed during the conflict; a much higher percentage than comparable countries, like Belgium and France.[2]”
Perhaps a ‘percentage of the population/government’ list of Nazi/Neo-Fascist sympathisers by country is needed? Plus a list of vassal countries with an index of how pro-Hegemon/NATO each is. It would be a long list of course and something along the lines of this: https://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
Its utterly disgusting. KLM should be bombarded with complaints and boycotting their airline.
Leave artists alone and let the public choose what they want to listen to. Not one unknown Nazi complaint – how can an international airline like this make such a disgraceful decision. The Dutch are losing a lot of respect globally.
Respect?
They are the host country of that show trial known as the ICTY ( International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia ) after all.
A Tribunal where a self confessed butcher like Naser Oric ( responsible for the murder of 3,260 Serbs around Srebrenica with 50 still missing ) can walk free because he has US backing. http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=1319
Call the consulates and embassies of the Dutch Nazi government and tell them you will boycott everything Dutch.
It is past time to sit and bitch. Actions of resistance are simple enough. Boycott.
It is the only language the dogs understand.
And please, don’t make excuses and say it punishes good Dutch people.
They are deeply involved in all that is wrong with Western civilization for 600 years or more.
Slave traders, imperialists, colonizers, exploiters, and now a party deeply involved as conspirators in MH 17.
Yes true.It would be good if we all tried to do that as much as possible.But the one that really needs to do that (and not just with the Netherlands) is Russia.The counter-sanctions are a good start but not nearly enough.For the most Russophobic countries it should be a total boycott of their goods.And no tourism in their countries from Russia.Some of those countries make a lot of money off of Russian tourists.I would think any patriotic Russian would not go to those countries.Seeing Amsterdam,Paris,London,New York,LA,etc,is all nice and good and all.But supporting with your money fascists that are trying to destroy Russia is crazy and 5th column behavior.Save those trips for when those countries change and go to places that are neutral or pro-Russian.Show your patriotism to your Motherland,and be sure those countries know what is being done.Russians show speak on TV about it,tell those countries they are being boycotted.Have the tourism industries in those countries complaining as much as the farmers are.And stop buying goods from them (any goods).If you can’t find it made in Russia,or from neutral or friendly countries.Then you don’t need it.
I know KLM was involved in helping to escape Nazi criminals after WWII. A look here takes you to various sites, some well documented. Even Prins Bernhard was involved in this scheme. A lot of war criminals were brought to Argentine also by KLM. And how about Berhard’s grand child Willem Alexander, now the king of The Netherlands and married to the daughter of the infamous Jorge Zorregieta, Queen Maxima. Nazi’s and The Netherlands have been close friends for some time.
Q; I never knew there were so many Dutch nazis or that KLM was a fascist company.
R; My granddad taught me to always be truthful, because, according to him, “If you live your life like that, you’ll never have to hide in the shades of shamefulness.”
Therefore, will anyone [who’s able to] explain to me the difference to me between the Dutch/KLM censorship and the Saker’s moderators censorship?
Because, personally, I don’t get it. That’s why I’m an advocate of/for installing a ‘Playpen’ section on this site, where all the ‘deleted’ messages end up, so there is no real censorship whatsoever.
Deleting or ‘editing’ messages is on par with burning books, in my, oh so simple mind.
Everything nice and well. But _theory_.
Look at RT’s so called comments section. They keep all the dirt there.
And honestly: It is disgusting me.
It’s from “My sister makes 3000$ per minute with this job” down to other dirt I won’t repeat here regarding Russia and Vladimir Putin.
I think everybody should have his fair say here, yes.
But you simply cannot handle it without moderation.
The West is the one that truly has a paid troll brigade (while always shouting “Hold the thief!”).
You need to kill their pollution, it’s like a virus.
On a side note: Did you ever try to post sth. to Kievpost?
Q; But you simply cannot handle it without moderation.
R; Hence a ‘playpen section‘ where all the ‘garbage’ is dumped into.
If a person really wants to go through the trash, that’s the place to go to.
It does prevent two things from happening though, and that’s the elimination and/or alteration of entries.
Besides ‘the rules,’ censorship is [or becomes quite quickly] a personal thing, so someone might object to using the word ‘belch,’ because s/he thinks it’s a matter of ‘bad taste.’ I can give other, more succinct examples, but hope you get the gist of my argumentation.
What’s A-OK in one culture, is considered bad or very rude in another.
Therefore, as a truly international community, you and I should have a thicker skin and accept the diversity instead of silencing it.
One difference is on the blog it’s spam, insults, and tiresome propaganda that’s being blocked while KLM censored piano music — very good playing at that, and with only one complaint from a pro-Kiev fascist. The music had nothing to do with who the pianist was — it was just music, which I doubt most people who even recognize who was performing it.
The quote that got me into trouble here yesterday – well the same quote has been posted under Sakers article at Unz by Seraphim (comment 34). (And no, Seraphim is not me.)
I’ve done moderating myself, but with a ‘can do’ attitude and the aforementioned ‘Play Pen’ at hand, that was a piece of cake.
I still remember how you invited us all to come to your house and have [forgot the name of it, sorry], only people with their heart in the right place do such things :o)
(PS it was a Russian Easter feast, learned from watching my Russian m-i-l cook – which I now cook for my grandchildren so that they know and love their Russian heritage.)
That sounded marvelous, Russian Easter Feast!!! how generous of you to have invited everyone . . do so again next year…hmm, re comment deletion, sometimes things are not properly understood, or whatever, it’s like life, accept that with electronic words there can be no going back..
All things must pass. . .
the reason your comment the other day was edited was the rudeness that you displayed, not for the first time, to one particular commenter here at Saker’s.
‘Censorship’ is used as part of a political party-line. Saker doesn’t usually censor things unless they are trollish or completely ‘off’ in a religious way, from what he feels to be appropriate for his blog. Moderators try to follow Saker’s wishes.
‘Censorship’ is not used when deleting a completely rude comment.
Very beautiful and encouraging.
How necessary is music and poetry for the human being, but in the middle of the hell of war, it is essential, to remind us that we are still human, despite the horror around us.
Bob Dylan’s birth name was “Robert Allen Zimmerman”,and comes from a Jewish background.Like most Jews in the US he probably has fond feelings for Israel.Its a sad but true fact that most US Jews don’t see that Israel is a criminal state.That instead of being a “positive” for Jews Worldwide its a “negative”.And are willing to “overlook” Israeli crimes to support Zionism.Ironic how people like him could easily see in the past how wrong the Vietnam War was.And yet, when it comes to Israel, or so blind to Israel’s bad actions.
Anthem of heaven: This song is fascinating ..it keeps drawing me back again and again. is it poetry ? most certainly; prayer? yes; theological statement uniting body,mind and soul ? affirmative. There is movement in the song which is almost an opening of a door between worlds The line of souls and the chorus of heaven but it begins with tactile things like earth and nails then the vibration of sound with the metallic bells and humming of the eardrums. A sense of seeing and being seen by the ineffable. And time melds into space as if the 28million martyrs of WWII of this same land are silent witnesses also just a hair breath away. And the man singing the song is part of each element of the song–this is not a song of individual alienation or angst. Au contraire. It is a song of union deep, deep union. Amazing.
very, very powerful of the true Power. ( By the way, Is that Givi peeking out for a second?)
Germany and France “warn” Putin of elections in Donbass.
Very dangerous for humans living in their own land to vote on who they want for leaders.
Not very European or Western or Democratic or expressive of Freedom to actually vote for leaders.
Putin’s answer to them is not yet recorded.
Perhaps, he asked for some Georgians available for the positions, to fit the Kiev model of national leader.
Or some pointy-headed US State Department bozos to lead the Donbass.
After fighting and dying for their Freedom, losing 7500 civilians to the murderous policy sanctioned by Merkel and Hollande, Putin surely welcomed, in behalf of the people of Donbass, the great concept of obeying the master Hegemon.
So far, the role of Mr and Mrs Vassal played by Merkel and Hollande (sic) is comedic. They cannot really be releasing these news briefs and expect us all not to laugh at the inanity of their efforts to “warn” Putin.
How much more useless blather can the two generate. They are tools. Their presence as supposed leaders of state is belied by the horse’s ass role they play with Porky.
He and his fellow oligarchs are stealing billions while each of these two clowns’ nations are losing billions because they “sanctioned” themselves while sanctioning Russia.
Shall we count the toes they have left after continually shooting themselves in the feet?
Diplomacy? Buffoonery.
“Hello, Vladimir. We have a warning for you to pass on to the militia. Don’t hold elections. It’s not the way to proceed. The US can’t get in there to rig the outcome. President Carter is getting chemo so he can’t go. And we noticed you keep shooting artillery straight down on yourselves all day and night and it’s too dangerous for the OSCE to check on the results.”
How long a phone call do you think that one lasted?
Now there is talk of another big four conference. Putin should just send his black dog that frightens the bratwurst out of Merkel. I’m sure the little French poodle, Hollande is a bit terrified, too. And we know Porky will chocolate his pants if all there is in Putin’s place of honor is the dog.
I posted a video the other day about the Ukrainian method of “free democratic” elections.They certainly want to introduce that “model” in Donbass” too.Which is why they and their EU supporters are so against having those elections before they can do it.If they can’t terrorize voters into voting their way,what good are elections for them.I hope Putin doesn’t fall for their tricks.But I don’t know about that.I guess if the elections are held,we’ll know he didn’t fall for them.But if they are cancelled,we’ll know he did fall for them (once again).
Sadly, Ron Paul, like most American libertarians, understands half the situation and gets the other half completely wrong, interspersing good insights with total rubbish. He’s something like a good old-time auto engine mechanic trying to repair an electric car as if it was a 1940 Chevy V8, or someone trying to fix a laptop computer thinking it’s a vacuum tube adding machine. His paradigms don’t fit.
For example, he talks about monetary policy as if he knew what he was talking about, but he doesn’t, and he uses classical (magical thinking and incantations) economic models which are all wrong. Conflating ‘welfare’ for corporation and ‘welfare’ for ordinary citizens is a grave error — they are not at all the same thing. Thinking Sanders is a socialist in itself shows how much he does not understand about what socialism is — which he says is authoritarian. Saying some wealthy people have ‘earned’ vast wealth while other do it through government welfare — one of the myths of capitalism — shows he does not understand how an economic system or a society works.
He is well intentioned, but we could use people who really do understand what is going on.
You could probably count on your fingers and toe’s Americans that know anything really about Socialism.They learn about it (if at all) from hearsay,or from the viewpoint of people that hate it.It would be like learning about Russia only by studying Ukrainian nationalist textbooks.
Socialism is all over the European continent, permeates many US state governments, hundreds of city governments and is destroying the US economy.
Ideological stuff that does not work implemented in the real world.
It may suit people in homogenous units, small, commune-like.
It fails massively in scale.
It’s like lots of things folks hold dear–peace at any cost, talking sense to bullies as they beat your head into pulp, prayer without good acts. Gee, it feels good. And then you’re dead or you lost everything.
Sorry to be blunt, but you don’t know anything about what socialism is — obvious from you post and what you say about it. You can hardly find any socialism at all in the US now, and it was never a major political power here. That’s why Eugene Debs was put in jail.
Whatever it is that you see which doesn’t work, it’s not socialism.
And you know the ideology of Socialism? Or do you know how some people implement it? I can’t think of any country that had a real Socialist society.Now there were several that had part Socialist societies,but none fully.The ones with the “part” societies.Were the ones in the World where almost all the people in those countries were educated,had jobs,had places to live,had increasing populations,had populations that had health care.In other words most of what is lacking in modern capitalist societies outside of for the capitalist (shrinking) middle classes and above. Its somewhat hard for me to argue for full Socialism.Because I also,am not sure it would work as intended.But at the same time the the partial Socialism did bring those benefits I mentioned is fact.And ,that full Socialism has never been implemented in the modern World is also a fact.
blue, I enjoy your commentary all the time, and respect your feelings towards Socialism, but for me, when I hear someone, who has really done only their own ‘microcosmic’ life, who easily criticizes someone who has totally been ‘in the running’ for over 2 decades like Ron Paul, it just falls flat and belittles the criticizer.
Ron Paul had his 80th birthday a couple of weeks ago, and yet every day of the week he puts on his best and cleanest clothes and appears, at his own expense, on the Liberty Report. And his ‘right hand man’ Daniel McAdams, who is a fantastic guest when he appears on Crosstalk, and who totally supports Ron Paul…sits beside his mentor, because that’s what his (Daniel’s) mentor has always done..work work work….then that inspires my admiration.
Blue, have you looked into Austrian Economics ? Catherine Austin Fitts has alot of respect for it. And I think that it might work. Its all about laws to prevent corruption in government. So there aren’t these huge ‘bail-outs’ so the money stops stagnating in a few elite hands.
I think its worth a try. For the American People, maybe Socialism isn’t something that could work…how do you stop the government from becoming corrupt ?
And I know 3 weeks ago I was wondering if Donald Trump was the answer to America’s problems…but I was still watching the Liberty Report, and when Ron Paul explained his perception of Donald Trump, that’s when it became clear to me…Donald Trump is all about money. If he gets in it will be like Michael Bloomberg running for mayor…its an elite….how can we solve the problems ‘of elites’ by electing them… ?
And how do you stop the few in government that control all the money in socialism, from becoming corrupt in America? It might work in other countries that are being run by indigenous people, but in America ? I don’t think its in the cards for decades yet, if not centuries.
The most ironic part is that by all “rules” the US should have been the easiest country to become Socialist.It wasn’t encumbered by centuries of history.Without great noble family,kings,a state church,and its people almost worshiped modern “progress”.Its economy in those days had a huge labor force to gain recruits from.Yet instead,with the rise of oligarchs and the racial divides plaguing it.They played too big a part, and outweighed the advantages it possessed.It became instead the great enemy of Socialism.
I read and listened to lectures on the Austrian school for a few days — as much as I could stomach. It’s so riddled with basic fallacies, including about how humans behave, that it wasn’t worth the time and effort to delve deeper. When fundamental axioms are wrong then the system which follows can’t work. For instance, the notion that people are rational actors who always know what’s financially best for them is simply wrong: that’s something one must develop into through becoming educated critical thinkers, and even then there is uncertainty. This is clear by just noting all the bonehead errors people make and how easily most can be conned into scams — or fooled by a stage magician. People need to learn math and logic skills to be more rational.
I sure didn’t need Ron Paul to know that Trump is another parasite — that has always been obvious to me from hearing him talk for a few minutes. And BTW — if you think my life is more microcosmic than Ron Paul’s I have to wonder how much you know about me, or Paul and the bubble he exists in.
As for corruption, that’s always an element, in everything — not just humans — but socialism is about the people, including the control of government by the people (if not ownership of production as with communism), and that’s about the best remedy to corruption getting out of hand.
And here is your fundamental axiomatic flaw
“how do you stop the few in government that control all the money in socialism”
because in socialism there are no few in government that control all the money — that’s oligarchy, not socialism. Socialism is not paternalistic, which is a gross distortion of the word, but anarchistic — no chiefs — a do-it-yourself, horizontally organized, participatory, information rich, system run by delegation instead of’ representation’ (CF Robert Pranger) with real accountability. It’s accomplished not just by people understanding how to do it, but by the social, legal, and political structures established.
Socialism is based on some of the inherent human traits of the family — but not simply the family with adult parents and little kids, but one where the kids have grown up and have an equal, democratic, role in governance and production in a clan.
The problem with people learning math, logic, critical thinking, and quality decision making applies to working in a democratic socialistic system, of course, but it’s no help to think that an oligarchy, banksters, or hierarchical government has such capability — as evidenced by where those have led us. Neither is it any good to imagine some magical benevolent ‘invisible hand’ or market will lead to good outcomes, as the Austrian, classical or neoclassical, or libertarian schools fantasize. We don’t have even ordinary collective intelligence there, but greedy and self-serving gangsterism. Saying that socialism is central government run by the few is a myth, supported by the propagandists who work for the plutocracy.
Hi blue, thanks for comment…so which governments either now or in the past, succeeded with this, idealistic idea of socialism that you have described ?
I want to bring up a group I believe important to think about,the Azov battalion.We hear about them pretty regularly,but I think few really “know” the facts on them.They’ve only been around for a little over a year now.Their main leader is an Andre Biletsky.He’s now a Rada deputy as well.And has a very checkered past (a mild way to put it).He basically was born a fascist.He comes from a family high in the UPA pro-nazi organisation.He absorbed fascism literally from birth.He formed,joined,worked, with fascist gangs from his teens on.At the time of maidan he was in prison in Kharkov on attempted murder charges,along with some of his “colleagues”.And was freed because of the coup.From then on, he has worked to make fascism the power in Ukraine.There are more fascist gangs in Ukraine than you can “shake a stick at”.Most people think of the RS as being the main militant one.Though it is more an umbrella group of several different ones.Azov founded by Biletsky is the most dangerous one.It is more tight-nit,better organized,and more professional.A “Waffen SS” to Yarosh’s RS being the SA,in comparison. While Yarosh and the RS are still a threat, I think they have lost a lot of the power to dominate the fascist gangs they used to have.And the main threat today comes from Azov.Someone (maybe several someones) are backing them heavily.There is a lot of money being spend on them.You can tell that by the “fringe things” you see around them.Their have good weaponry,their uniforms are well tailored and expensive looking.Their supporters,are well groomed,with nice (expensive) symbols on their clothes.Their videos and leaflets are state of the art.And they are holding rallies,and conferences complete with expensive props.All of these with no real known funds.Biletsky himself seems to be being groomed for a higher role.From being a common fascist gutter-thug.He is now appearing as a valid “political” leader.They have now also declared they are starting a regular political party to add to their private army.I think I see the beginnings of him being make a Ukrainian anti-Putin.Someone (or somebodies) trying to create a full fascist ideology in Ukraine.Using Azov as the “military hero” image of the “new Ukraine”.And for Russia and Russians (in Ukraine and in Russia),something like that is a great threat to their security.
He could be,also Kolomoisky and others.And I suspect the US is as well. I have no proof,but their whole operation is way too “Western slick” to be “homegrown” I believe.
Parallels in life,
“Righteousness is my weapon and I resist.
Despite my pain, I will resist”
“The sea, the plains, the river, are ours.
And how, while facing fire can I be peaceful”
song: Yes. yes. and more yes.
How beautiful the sentiment of Love, Faith, Brotherhood, Comrades in arms and Strength directly from Trust in God.
It is this simple nobility we see in the people of Donbass, that vein of Russian civilization.
Truly what a Song is—Prayer.
Thanks for the English subs.
Something to dwell on. We are mere particles in God’s universe.
Our glory comes from Him.
Bless the people of Novorossiya and the militia that fights to defend faith, family and land of their fathers.
Thanks Saker,
“By the law of Heaven, lies and evil are going to be erased away from the pages”
Amen to that.
Защитники Донбасса. Клип на песню ЦОЯ. Аж мурашки по коже.
(Defenders of Donbass. The clip on the song of ЦОЯ. Already goosebumps.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=30&v=t2PniuNd1ds
Thank you Martin from S.E.B.!
Very moving song and video.
This is a Christian Song and Prayer for the Syrian Army. They are fighting the same fight!
Bless the brave men in Donbass and Syria defending their land!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LCHGitYPS8
thanks Demeter that’s a beautiful song for Syrian Arab Army.
Am truly gobsmacked as you say !
All our saints are in this ( actually they have been in spite
of the Khazar Trotzkyist Bolshevik
usurpation/”revolution” in the Lands of the RUS)
and aid /help these full hearted, deep souled people /persons/ independence
fighters/ fathers/ women/ Freiwilligen / freedom fighters to liberate southern
Russia to the river Pruth ultimately . The Donbass will create the freedom of
Bessarabia and its annexed southern part. Slava Boghu !
Then Serbia will be avenged …
Optimist…
I don’t suppose you will ever hear this song on a KLM flight.
http://www.rt.com/news/313784-ukrainian-lisitsa-dutch-airline/
KLM bans Ukrainian pianist from in-flight playlist after complaint over her political activism
Published time: 29 Aug, 2015 10:00Edited time: 29 Aug, 2015 11:16
Dutch airline KLM has removed tracks by a Ukrainian musician from its in-flight entertainment system after complaints from a passenger involved in a group dedicated to ostracizing her.
[…]
I never knew there were so many Dutch nazis or that KLM was a fascist company.
There was always a large Dutch nazi group.The MSM just hides that ugly fact.As for KLM,they are a Western corporation.I would expect no better from them.
Uncle Bob, you are right. From Wiki:
“The occupiers deported the majority of the country’s Jews to Nazi concentration camps, with the cooperation of the Dutch police and civil service. In fact, the Netherlands saw one of the highest levels of collaboration during the Holocaust of any occupied country. As a result about 75% of the country’s Jewish population were killed during the conflict; a much higher percentage than comparable countries, like Belgium and France.[2]”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_in_World_War_II
Perhaps a ‘percentage of the population/government’ list of Nazi/Neo-Fascist sympathisers by country is needed? Plus a list of vassal countries with an index of how pro-Hegemon/NATO each is. It would be a long list of course and something along the lines of this:
https://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
Its utterly disgusting. KLM should be bombarded with complaints and boycotting their airline.
Leave artists alone and let the public choose what they want to listen to. Not one unknown Nazi complaint – how can an international airline like this make such a disgraceful decision. The Dutch are losing a lot of respect globally.
Respect?
They are the host country of that show trial known as the ICTY ( International Criminal Tribunal for Former Yugoslavia ) after all.
A Tribunal where a self confessed butcher like Naser Oric ( responsible for the murder of 3,260 Serbs around Srebrenica with 50 still missing ) can walk free because he has US backing.
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=1319
They are also signatories to a non-disclosure agreement of the MH17 investigation which effectively gives Ukraine ( USA ) a veto on the release of any incriminating findings.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/19/why-the-secrecy-on-the-mh17-investigation/
Boycott KLM and everything Dutch. Boycott!
Call the consulates and embassies of the Dutch Nazi government and tell them you will boycott everything Dutch.
It is past time to sit and bitch. Actions of resistance are simple enough. Boycott.
It is the only language the dogs understand.
And please, don’t make excuses and say it punishes good Dutch people.
They are deeply involved in all that is wrong with Western civilization for 600 years or more.
Slave traders, imperialists, colonizers, exploiters, and now a party deeply involved as conspirators in MH 17.
Boycott them.
Yes true.It would be good if we all tried to do that as much as possible.But the one that really needs to do that (and not just with the Netherlands) is Russia.The counter-sanctions are a good start but not nearly enough.For the most Russophobic countries it should be a total boycott of their goods.And no tourism in their countries from Russia.Some of those countries make a lot of money off of Russian tourists.I would think any patriotic Russian would not go to those countries.Seeing Amsterdam,Paris,London,New York,LA,etc,is all nice and good and all.But supporting with your money fascists that are trying to destroy Russia is crazy and 5th column behavior.Save those trips for when those countries change and go to places that are neutral or pro-Russian.Show your patriotism to your Motherland,and be sure those countries know what is being done.Russians show speak on TV about it,tell those countries they are being boycotted.Have the tourism industries in those countries complaining as much as the farmers are.And stop buying goods from them (any goods).If you can’t find it made in Russia,or from neutral or friendly countries.Then you don’t need it.
I know KLM was involved in helping to escape Nazi criminals after WWII. A look here takes you to various sites, some well documented. Even Prins Bernhard was involved in this scheme. A lot of war criminals were brought to Argentine also by KLM. And how about Berhard’s grand child Willem Alexander, now the king of The Netherlands and married to the daughter of the infamous Jorge Zorregieta, Queen Maxima. Nazi’s and The Netherlands have been close friends for some time.
@ blue,
Q; I never knew there were so many Dutch nazis or that KLM was a fascist company.
R; My granddad taught me to always be truthful, because, according to him, “If you live your life like that, you’ll never have to hide in the shades of shamefulness.”
Therefore, will anyone [who’s able to] explain to me the difference to me between the Dutch/KLM censorship and the Saker’s moderators censorship?
Because, personally, I don’t get it. That’s why I’m an advocate of/for installing a ‘Playpen’ section on this site, where all the ‘deleted’ messages end up, so there is no real censorship whatsoever.
Deleting or ‘editing’ messages is on par with burning books, in my, oh so simple mind.
Everything nice and well. But _theory_.
Look at RT’s so called comments section. They keep all the dirt there.
And honestly: It is disgusting me.
It’s from “My sister makes 3000$ per minute with this job” down to other dirt I won’t repeat here regarding Russia and Vladimir Putin.
I think everybody should have his fair say here, yes.
But you simply cannot handle it without moderation.
The West is the one that truly has a paid troll brigade (while always shouting “Hold the thief!”).
You need to kill their pollution, it’s like a virus.
On a side note: Did you ever try to post sth. to Kievpost?
@ Martin from S.E.B.
Q; But you simply cannot handle it without moderation.
R; Hence a ‘playpen section‘ where all the ‘garbage’ is dumped into.
If a person really wants to go through the trash, that’s the place to go to.
It does prevent two things from happening though, and that’s the elimination and/or alteration of entries.
Besides ‘the rules,’ censorship is [or becomes quite quickly] a personal thing, so someone might object to using the word ‘belch,’ because s/he thinks it’s a matter of ‘bad taste.’ I can give other, more succinct examples, but hope you get the gist of my argumentation.
What’s A-OK in one culture, is considered bad or very rude in another.
Therefore, as a truly international community, you and I should have a thicker skin and accept the diversity instead of silencing it.
But that’s just me and my simpleminded opinion.
One difference is on the blog it’s spam, insults, and tiresome propaganda that’s being blocked while KLM censored piano music — very good playing at that, and with only one complaint from a pro-Kiev fascist. The music had nothing to do with who the pianist was — it was just music, which I doubt most people who even recognize who was performing it.
@ Blue,
You’d almost forget that another plane, MH17 will never be able to play any music ever again…
How cynical is that, KLM?
Daniel… censorship is subjective.
The quote that got me into trouble here yesterday – well the same quote has been posted under Sakers article at Unz by Seraphim (comment 34). (And no, Seraphim is not me.)
@ Babuska in Oz,
Q; censorship is subjective.
R; Exactly.
And once ’you’ start, where do ‘you’ end?
I’ve done moderating myself, but with a ‘can do’ attitude and the aforementioned ‘Play Pen’ at hand, that was a piece of cake.
I still remember how you invited us all to come to your house and have [forgot the name of it, sorry], only people with their heart in the right place do such things :o)
Thanks Daniel
Your kind words lifted my spirit.
(PS it was a Russian Easter feast, learned from watching my Russian m-i-l cook – which I now cook for my grandchildren so that they know and love their Russian heritage.)
Cheers mate
That sounded marvelous, Russian Easter Feast!!! how generous of you to have invited everyone . . do so again next year…hmm, re comment deletion, sometimes things are not properly understood, or whatever, it’s like life, accept that with electronic words there can be no going back..
All things must pass. . .
@ Babushka in Oz,
Q; Your kind words lifted my spirit.
R; It was your kind spirit that inspired my words.
There’s always a natural balance, regardless whether we see it, understand it or even appreciate it.
You are part of the solution, not the problem.
You inspire and that’s true greatness. You therefore have my admiration :o)
@ Daniel
@ Anonymous
Thanks
I like to think that we are all trying to be part of the solution as we find shelter here under Saker’s huge and generous umbrella.
Daniel,
the reason your comment the other day was edited was the rudeness that you displayed, not for the first time, to one particular commenter here at Saker’s.
‘Censorship’ is used as part of a political party-line. Saker doesn’t usually censor things unless they are trollish or completely ‘off’ in a religious way, from what he feels to be appropriate for his blog. Moderators try to follow Saker’s wishes.
‘Censorship’ is not used when deleting a completely rude comment.
@ Ann,
Q; ‘Censorship’ is not used when deleting a completely rude comment.
R: How about replies to this comment not showing up? How do you label that?
Very beautiful and encouraging.
How necessary is music and poetry for the human being, but in the middle of the hell of war, it is essential, to remind us that we are still human, despite the horror around us.
as good as Bob Dylan any day……………
JJ,
A bit overstated, I suspect.
Bob Dylan?
Maybe Bruce Springsteen, not Dylan.
@ JJ,
Q; as good as Bob Dylan any day……………
R; You mean the man who has no problem performing in the Apartheid State?
Bob Dylan’s birth name was “Robert Allen Zimmerman”,and comes from a Jewish background.Like most Jews in the US he probably has fond feelings for Israel.Its a sad but true fact that most US Jews don’t see that Israel is a criminal state.That instead of being a “positive” for Jews Worldwide its a “negative”.And are willing to “overlook” Israeli crimes to support Zionism.Ironic how people like him could easily see in the past how wrong the Vietnam War was.And yet, when it comes to Israel, or so blind to Israel’s bad actions.
Anthem of heaven: This song is fascinating ..it keeps drawing me back again and again. is it poetry ? most certainly; prayer? yes; theological statement uniting body,mind and soul ? affirmative. There is movement in the song which is almost an opening of a door between worlds The line of souls and the chorus of heaven but it begins with tactile things like earth and nails then the vibration of sound with the metallic bells and humming of the eardrums. A sense of seeing and being seen by the ineffable. And time melds into space as if the 28million martyrs of WWII of this same land are silent witnesses also just a hair breath away. And the man singing the song is part of each element of the song–this is not a song of individual alienation or angst. Au contraire. It is a song of union deep, deep union. Amazing.
very, very powerful of the true Power. ( By the way, Is that Givi peeking out for a second?)
wow, that is such a beautiful song…tears to my eyes… I’ll pass it on…thank you Saker.
Breaking News!
Germany and France “warn” Putin of elections in Donbass.
Very dangerous for humans living in their own land to vote on who they want for leaders.
Not very European or Western or Democratic or expressive of Freedom to actually vote for leaders.
Putin’s answer to them is not yet recorded.
Perhaps, he asked for some Georgians available for the positions, to fit the Kiev model of national leader.
Or some pointy-headed US State Department bozos to lead the Donbass.
After fighting and dying for their Freedom, losing 7500 civilians to the murderous policy sanctioned by Merkel and Hollande, Putin surely welcomed, in behalf of the people of Donbass, the great concept of obeying the master Hegemon.
So far, the role of Mr and Mrs Vassal played by Merkel and Hollande (sic) is comedic. They cannot really be releasing these news briefs and expect us all not to laugh at the inanity of their efforts to “warn” Putin.
How much more useless blather can the two generate. They are tools. Their presence as supposed leaders of state is belied by the horse’s ass role they play with Porky.
He and his fellow oligarchs are stealing billions while each of these two clowns’ nations are losing billions because they “sanctioned” themselves while sanctioning Russia.
Shall we count the toes they have left after continually shooting themselves in the feet?
Diplomacy? Buffoonery.
“Hello, Vladimir. We have a warning for you to pass on to the militia. Don’t hold elections. It’s not the way to proceed. The US can’t get in there to rig the outcome. President Carter is getting chemo so he can’t go. And we noticed you keep shooting artillery straight down on yourselves all day and night and it’s too dangerous for the OSCE to check on the results.”
How long a phone call do you think that one lasted?
Now there is talk of another big four conference. Putin should just send his black dog that frightens the bratwurst out of Merkel. I’m sure the little French poodle, Hollande is a bit terrified, too. And we know Porky will chocolate his pants if all there is in Putin’s place of honor is the dog.
You can’t make this stuff up.
I posted a video the other day about the Ukrainian method of “free democratic” elections.They certainly want to introduce that “model” in Donbass” too.Which is why they and their EU supporters are so against having those elections before they can do it.If they can’t terrorize voters into voting their way,what good are elections for them.I hope Putin doesn’t fall for their tricks.But I don’t know about that.I guess if the elections are held,we’ll know he didn’t fall for them.But if they are cancelled,we’ll know he did fall for them (once again).
OT…Ron Paul discusses in a monologue what he thinks is best for America at this point in time…
https://youtu.be/yiJiG6c1n00
Sadly, Ron Paul, like most American libertarians, understands half the situation and gets the other half completely wrong, interspersing good insights with total rubbish. He’s something like a good old-time auto engine mechanic trying to repair an electric car as if it was a 1940 Chevy V8, or someone trying to fix a laptop computer thinking it’s a vacuum tube adding machine. His paradigms don’t fit.
For example, he talks about monetary policy as if he knew what he was talking about, but he doesn’t, and he uses classical (magical thinking and incantations) economic models which are all wrong. Conflating ‘welfare’ for corporation and ‘welfare’ for ordinary citizens is a grave error — they are not at all the same thing. Thinking Sanders is a socialist in itself shows how much he does not understand about what socialism is — which he says is authoritarian. Saying some wealthy people have ‘earned’ vast wealth while other do it through government welfare — one of the myths of capitalism — shows he does not understand how an economic system or a society works.
He is well intentioned, but we could use people who really do understand what is going on.
You could probably count on your fingers and toe’s Americans that know anything really about Socialism.They learn about it (if at all) from hearsay,or from the viewpoint of people that hate it.It would be like learning about Russia only by studying Ukrainian nationalist textbooks.
I know it does not work.
Socialism is all over the European continent, permeates many US state governments, hundreds of city governments and is destroying the US economy.
Ideological stuff that does not work implemented in the real world.
It may suit people in homogenous units, small, commune-like.
It fails massively in scale.
It’s like lots of things folks hold dear–peace at any cost, talking sense to bullies as they beat your head into pulp, prayer without good acts. Gee, it feels good. And then you’re dead or you lost everything.
Sorry to be blunt, but you don’t know anything about what socialism is — obvious from you post and what you say about it. You can hardly find any socialism at all in the US now, and it was never a major political power here. That’s why Eugene Debs was put in jail.
Whatever it is that you see which doesn’t work, it’s not socialism.
And you know the ideology of Socialism? Or do you know how some people implement it? I can’t think of any country that had a real Socialist society.Now there were several that had part Socialist societies,but none fully.The ones with the “part” societies.Were the ones in the World where almost all the people in those countries were educated,had jobs,had places to live,had increasing populations,had populations that had health care.In other words most of what is lacking in modern capitalist societies outside of for the capitalist (shrinking) middle classes and above. Its somewhat hard for me to argue for full Socialism.Because I also,am not sure it would work as intended.But at the same time the the partial Socialism did bring those benefits I mentioned is fact.And ,that full Socialism has never been implemented in the modern World is also a fact.
blue, I enjoy your commentary all the time, and respect your feelings towards Socialism, but for me, when I hear someone, who has really done only their own ‘microcosmic’ life, who easily criticizes someone who has totally been ‘in the running’ for over 2 decades like Ron Paul, it just falls flat and belittles the criticizer.
Ron Paul had his 80th birthday a couple of weeks ago, and yet every day of the week he puts on his best and cleanest clothes and appears, at his own expense, on the Liberty Report. And his ‘right hand man’ Daniel McAdams, who is a fantastic guest when he appears on Crosstalk, and who totally supports Ron Paul…sits beside his mentor, because that’s what his (Daniel’s) mentor has always done..work work work….then that inspires my admiration.
Blue, have you looked into Austrian Economics ? Catherine Austin Fitts has alot of respect for it. And I think that it might work. Its all about laws to prevent corruption in government. So there aren’t these huge ‘bail-outs’ so the money stops stagnating in a few elite hands.
I think its worth a try. For the American People, maybe Socialism isn’t something that could work…how do you stop the government from becoming corrupt ?
And I know 3 weeks ago I was wondering if Donald Trump was the answer to America’s problems…but I was still watching the Liberty Report, and when Ron Paul explained his perception of Donald Trump, that’s when it became clear to me…Donald Trump is all about money. If he gets in it will be like Michael Bloomberg running for mayor…its an elite….how can we solve the problems ‘of elites’ by electing them… ?
And how do you stop the few in government that control all the money in socialism, from becoming corrupt in America? It might work in other countries that are being run by indigenous people, but in America ? I don’t think its in the cards for decades yet, if not centuries.
The most ironic part is that by all “rules” the US should have been the easiest country to become Socialist.It wasn’t encumbered by centuries of history.Without great noble family,kings,a state church,and its people almost worshiped modern “progress”.Its economy in those days had a huge labor force to gain recruits from.Yet instead,with the rise of oligarchs and the racial divides plaguing it.They played too big a part, and outweighed the advantages it possessed.It became instead the great enemy of Socialism.
I read and listened to lectures on the Austrian school for a few days — as much as I could stomach. It’s so riddled with basic fallacies, including about how humans behave, that it wasn’t worth the time and effort to delve deeper. When fundamental axioms are wrong then the system which follows can’t work. For instance, the notion that people are rational actors who always know what’s financially best for them is simply wrong: that’s something one must develop into through becoming educated critical thinkers, and even then there is uncertainty. This is clear by just noting all the bonehead errors people make and how easily most can be conned into scams — or fooled by a stage magician. People need to learn math and logic skills to be more rational.
I sure didn’t need Ron Paul to know that Trump is another parasite — that has always been obvious to me from hearing him talk for a few minutes. And BTW — if you think my life is more microcosmic than Ron Paul’s I have to wonder how much you know about me, or Paul and the bubble he exists in.
As for corruption, that’s always an element, in everything — not just humans — but socialism is about the people, including the control of government by the people (if not ownership of production as with communism), and that’s about the best remedy to corruption getting out of hand.
And here is your fundamental axiomatic flaw
“how do you stop the few in government that control all the money in socialism”
because in socialism there are no few in government that control all the money — that’s oligarchy, not socialism. Socialism is not paternalistic, which is a gross distortion of the word, but anarchistic — no chiefs — a do-it-yourself, horizontally organized, participatory, information rich, system run by delegation instead of’ representation’ (CF Robert Pranger) with real accountability. It’s accomplished not just by people understanding how to do it, but by the social, legal, and political structures established.
Socialism is based on some of the inherent human traits of the family — but not simply the family with adult parents and little kids, but one where the kids have grown up and have an equal, democratic, role in governance and production in a clan.
The problem with people learning math, logic, critical thinking, and quality decision making applies to working in a democratic socialistic system, of course, but it’s no help to think that an oligarchy, banksters, or hierarchical government has such capability — as evidenced by where those have led us. Neither is it any good to imagine some magical benevolent ‘invisible hand’ or market will lead to good outcomes, as the Austrian, classical or neoclassical, or libertarian schools fantasize. We don’t have even ordinary collective intelligence there, but greedy and self-serving gangsterism. Saying that socialism is central government run by the few is a myth, supported by the propagandists who work for the plutocracy.
Hi blue, thanks for comment…so which governments either now or in the past, succeeded with this, idealistic idea of socialism that you have described ?
BBC shows Russian leaders working out:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34102651
Now, if they can only get Lavrov to quit smoking and join them it will be a troika!
I want to bring up a group I believe important to think about,the Azov battalion.We hear about them pretty regularly,but I think few really “know” the facts on them.They’ve only been around for a little over a year now.Their main leader is an Andre Biletsky.He’s now a Rada deputy as well.And has a very checkered past (a mild way to put it).He basically was born a fascist.He comes from a family high in the UPA pro-nazi organisation.He absorbed fascism literally from birth.He formed,joined,worked, with fascist gangs from his teens on.At the time of maidan he was in prison in Kharkov on attempted murder charges,along with some of his “colleagues”.And was freed because of the coup.From then on, he has worked to make fascism the power in Ukraine.There are more fascist gangs in Ukraine than you can “shake a stick at”.Most people think of the RS as being the main militant one.Though it is more an umbrella group of several different ones.Azov founded by Biletsky is the most dangerous one.It is more tight-nit,better organized,and more professional.A “Waffen SS” to Yarosh’s RS being the SA,in comparison. While Yarosh and the RS are still a threat, I think they have lost a lot of the power to dominate the fascist gangs they used to have.And the main threat today comes from Azov.Someone (maybe several someones) are backing them heavily.There is a lot of money being spend on them.You can tell that by the “fringe things” you see around them.Their have good weaponry,their uniforms are well tailored and expensive looking.Their supporters,are well groomed,with nice (expensive) symbols on their clothes.Their videos and leaflets are state of the art.And they are holding rallies,and conferences complete with expensive props.All of these with no real known funds.Biletsky himself seems to be being groomed for a higher role.From being a common fascist gutter-thug.He is now appearing as a valid “political” leader.They have now also declared they are starting a regular political party to add to their private army.I think I see the beginnings of him being make a Ukrainian anti-Putin.Someone (or somebodies) trying to create a full fascist ideology in Ukraine.Using Azov as the “military hero” image of the “new Ukraine”.And for Russia and Russians (in Ukraine and in Russia),something like that is a great threat to their security.
I bet George Soros is funding Azov.
He could be,also Kolomoisky and others.And I suspect the US is as well. I have no proof,but their whole operation is way too “Western slick” to be “homegrown” I believe.
“Let the whole free world see
how glory is made in nations”
Christian Lebanese Singer Julia Boutros, honoring Hezbollah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdZgkGI5h0A
“Because of you, we will change the Universe,
and destiny will obey”
Glory to Donbass!! Glory to the Real Heroes!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOEZq8nbcPY&feature=iv&src_vid=pdZgkGI5h0A&annotation_id=annotation_1453689509
Parallels in life,
“Righteousness is my weapon and I resist.
Despite my pain, I will resist”
“The sea, the plains, the river, are ours.
And how, while facing fire can I be peaceful”