When I first got emails telling me that Kadyrov ordered any “Federals” who would cross the Chechen border shot on sight I dismissed this as utter nonsense. Then, to my amazement, I found out that this was true. But the context was very specific. To make a long and confusing story short:
A group of special police forces from the neighboring region of Stavropol crossed the Chechen border and shot a suspect they were trying to arrest. Kadyrov claims that neither he not the Minister of Interior of Russia were informed about this. The Ministry of the Interior categorically states that the local, Chechen, police forces were warned.
Kadyrov is mad at the Stavropol SWAT forces and he may well be right. The manner in which he expressed his anger is typical of the Caucasus style and is clearly unacceptable. This is not the first time around. Kadyrov once threated to expel all the relatives of terrorists and burn down their houses. Moscow told him to “cool it” and he did.
Bottom line: this is a typical turf battle between cops and not a secession of Chechnia from Russia :-)
The Saker
This is it, the thorough analysis?
Anyway if the Stavropol forces would have informed Kadyrov,
they could spare their time and fuel – the criminal would be warned for sure and on run….
Please elaborate on this:
the killers of Nemtsov lived in Moscow in a flat which belonged formally to Kadyrov´s mother….
Thanks.
This is not an analysis. This is a comment to one of the latest headlines
“… the killers of Nemtsov lived in Moscow in a flat which belonged formally to Kadyrov´s mother… …”
Could it be that the explanation lies in Aesop’s famous fable http://fablesofaesop.com/hermit-bear.html ?…
Yes, imprudent. Impulsive. Show-off also.
I see his outburst as just a mouvement d’humeur. “Don’t overlook me, the Boss likes me…
An ally – and a headache…
What kind of IQ does it take to expect a “thorough analysis” when the title says “clarification” and it is not posted under “analyses” but under “war news”.
I like neither your spoiled brat tone, nor narcissistic alias, nor you unsubstantiated innuendo about Kadyrov. This blog is for thinking people.
Go watch some TV.
The Saker
“Ouch” . . .but warrented
Chris in Ch-Ch
Of course, I overlooked,
battle btw. cops belongs under war news.
I appreciate your clarification. Fully in TV standards.
I have no comments on your alias as this is a blog for thinking people.
Let them think about a false flag in Moscow during the May Parade,
or a real attack under ATO flag in Donbass. Should the FF happen,
Kadyrov will be involved for sure. And Moscow can forget about Novorossia as it will have enough to do with Caucasus (and Crimea for sure).
So How do you know all this?
“Let them think about a false flag in Moscow during the May Parade,
or a real attack under ATO flag in Donbass. Should the FF happen,
Kadyrov will be involved for sure. “
Ouch – that’s harsh – is this kind of outburst the reason you keep losing allies?
I cherisk the mantra: never hit “Submit”/”Send” when angry! It’s saved me on more than one occasion :).
“… The manner in which he expressed his anger is typical of the Caucasus style …”
True. Such emotional reactions are also very typical in the Middle East (I have extensive first hand familiarity with Arab conduct), and one should not put the same weight on them as one would in Europe. That is the upside.
The downside is that one should never put much weight on emotional assurances of friendship coming from those quarters either.
Johan said: “one should never put much weight on emotional assurances of friendship coming from those quarters either.”
One thing is to say “Them southern guys are crazy, the way they always scream.”
Another thing is to say, “Them southern guys can’t be trusted, turn your back and they’ll stab you.”
One is cultural observation, the other is ethnic prejudice.”
Kadyrov can be trusted. They killed his father, so he can be trusted–as long as you do not start a war.
As for “the killers of Nemtsov”, that’s a problem. Ukraine had motive, means, and opportunity to hire Nemtsov’s killers and to create false leads to Dadaev.
The “conspirators” were tortured. Dadaev looks like Lee Harvey Oswald–who famously said “I am a patsy.”
The investigators are as quiet as the MH17 investigators. The story does not fit, the killing was unprofessional, done in such a way as to be recorded, in view of the Kremlin. The gun was the wrong one, the shooter was a bad shot, two of the “conspirators” had to be taken out. Very wise.
The video does not fit well with the story, main witness was not killed, and was allowed to leave, very very quickly. In a case like this, you want to ask to hear the story, again and again. No, this time we break all rules, we’ll be “nice” to the girl.
Looks like a frame-up to me. It would not be the first time that the Ruskis fall for a false US lead.
Noel Field was an American communist who did very important work saving refugees in Spain and in WW2. He was liaison between communist maquis in France and Allen Dulles in Geneva. In 1949, the CIA passed information, to their man in the Polish “KGB” that Field was a CIA agent. Promptly, Field disappeared, then his wife who had gone looking for him. Then all who had any dealings with Field in Warsaw, in Budapest, and in Prague, were rounded up and killed. Dulles reported the success with words such as: “And now the comrades are gleefully killing each other.”
“Kadyrov can be trusted” may – or may not be so. On what specifically do you base your conjecture?
My grandfather was killed. I would not work for those who killed him
Can I remember someone who sold his own father for a few pieces of silver?
This is another crazy debate
You have never heard of patricide?
Maybe I am not best judge of character, but I would not trust Kadyrov. Though it seems RF is stuck with him.
Has the hothead apologized for his “emotional outburst”?
…and I think you would understand better the Chechens if you read what Tolstoy wrote about them. The Chechens love Tolstoy, and have a Tolstoy museum, where Tolstoy lived.
@the other is ethnic prejudice.”
Alas, but ethnic prejudices have more often than not a basis in reality.
OTH, that the Americans work overtime to sap the loyalty of Kadyrov and reignite the anti-Russian feelings (which I doubt that they ever weakened) in Chechnya, with the aim of resuming the war (sending the Chechen killers trained with ISIS back to the North Caucasus to spread the Caliphate), cannot be clearer. And they work based also on “cultural observations”. They would always send a “Vixen”.
But, be sure that Putin knows that, as he himself let it be known, and I suspect that he is prepared to take the appropriate measures.
I am not so sure.
Putin already screwed many times.
And I am not the one hoping for his big plan.
Until Moscow is not ready and will not start
a nuclear retaliation – they simply will not prevail.
Or Putin shall act in terms of Stalin´s paranoia – put the whole
suspected 5th column into Gulags. And only the bloody bolsheviks´
strategy would work also with Chechens etc.
To Johan
“I have extensive first hand familiarity with Arab conduct”
No you don’t. Spending one week or two in an Arab country hardly makes you a sociologist.
And speaking of Arab culture I will let you ruminate over this Arab word of wisdom”:
“Turn you tongue few times in your mouth before you utter a word.”
Or if you prefer the Biblical way (Proverbs 10:19)
“When words are many, transgression is not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent.”
@ Vineyard Moderator – B.H,
I think it is very hard to truthfully claim to [fully] understand another culture [with all of its cultural aspects, both written and unwritten].
Heck, I sometimes don’t even understand my [Japanese] wife [and I’ve been married 15 years to that beauty with brains :o]
Vineyard Moderator – B.H. on April 28, 2015 · at 4:12 am UTC
I agree with Ibrahim. Johan was posting bigotry and Ibrahim called then on it. You, BH, are very much out of line on this and very much on the wrong side.
I really should not be having to point this out.
Vineyard Moderator – B.H. on April 28, 2015 · at 5:22 am
You imply there’s context to his response? Great – quote it or link it.
I have no clue what you think I’m wrong about – that is, you are misfiring – as I simply asked a question regarding his statement ” no you don’t “. If I were making a statement, I’d say so – I’m not the passive aggressive sort who slyly implies by question.
You are barking at shadows. And that’s something that I really should point out.
Hey, if that is a response to my criticism of your wrong decision, it does not make much sense. Johan clearly crossed the threshold with his:
True. Such emotional reactions are also very typical in the Middle East (I have extensive first hand familiarity with Arab conduct), and one should not put the same weight on them as one would in Europe. That is the upside.
The downside is that one should never put much weight on emotional assurances of friendship coming from those quarters either.
That is bigotry pure and simple, as is also delineated by Saker in his own personal definition of what should be considered bigotry in his moderation page on the subject.
Ibrahim on April 28, 2015 · at 3:55 am UTC called him on it. I seconded that call. it’s all there in black and white. Not only that, I posted about it in this post, as well:
вот так on April 28, 2015 · at 2:04 am UTC
How the h*ll can you not see that, BH? ,
@ Bot Tak
Agree. It is bigotry and racist. But the site believes in “freedom of speech” even when it offends. Unfortunately the troll level has increased.
I picked up on another bigoted/racist post in the comments in the sand box recently and my reply to the comment which was polite, questioning and highlighting how the post was/could be perceived and was allowed through by moderation – was never posted – I am glad your dialouge has been posted.
As we all have the right to question, and don’t all agree, though the majority on here are on the same wave length and moral compass.
Rgds,
Veritas
Veritas on April 28, 2015 · at 10:35 am UTC
Cheers
Unfortunately the troll level has increased.
Most definitely. Look at the comments following this blog entry. I’d say at least half of the comments are the standard sort of formulaic pre-fab webspam supporting the zionazi propaganda memes. Someone looking at the comments here could probably erroneously conclude that most readers at this site are bigoted towards Chechens (and indirectly Muslims) and think Putin is an idiot/sellout, and that is the main point of this constant zionazi spamming. To undermine morale support for things Russian (or Muslim) among people using western sites covering things Russian (or Muslim). It’s the same story everywhere on sites that post material the zionazi/nazi establishment doesn’t like. They way these websayanim work is they fill up the comment sections with zio-propaganda and offensive material, both to offend and drive people away, and also to bring down the reputation of the site. The websayanim who populated the old Guardian talkboard, and who now spam on their CIS rubbish, and hobnob with each other at justthetalk.com specialise in these sorts of website attacks. The comment spamming after this blog entry is literally a duplicate of what a typical Guardian CIS/justthetalk.com comment thread becomes. See, for example:
Russia’s Putin: Unchain the bear!
I picked up on another bigoted/racist post in the comments in the sand box recently and my reply to the comment which was polite, questioning and highlighting how the post was/could be perceived and was allowed through by moderation – was never posted – I am glad your dialouge has been posted.
That’s happened to me before, as well. I was surprised my criticism of BH made it through this time around. Credit to those moderating for that.
BH
I still think your questioning of Ibrahim for taking Johan to task was out of line. Johan posted a bigoted statement. Rather than asking Ibrahim your question, I think you should have asked Johan the question of how allegedly being somewhere for a time makes it OK to describe the people in bigoted terms.
You are way off in much the same way as when those who don’t conform almost lockstep to your way of thinking are subjected to being called zionazis by you.
Hey, I’ve toned that down quite a bit with regard to comment writers. At least give me some credit for that. :D
Making cultural observations is not bigoted – or if in your mind any generalization about any people is bigoted (or conversely, supremacist if it is a compliment) then it is your problem. Because, you know, cultures and stereotypes exist for a reason, everyone uses them, and usually when somebody selects one out for directed ire it is both hypocritical and agenda-driven.
Thank you Bot Tak, I do however believe B.H is asking me a legitimate question and I strongly believe that s/he on neither side, but only asked a question that I would have posed too if there was reason for me to do it. Respect and affection to you all guys.
Ibrahim on April 28, 2015 · at 7:52 am UTC
Cheers.
How would I know ? The moment someone claims to have “extensive first hand familiarity” with a given society because s/he experienced or noticed a comportment with few folks. I have travelled around few countries in Europe, Asia and the Americas where I stayed months and sometimes years. You will be definitely right is you tell me that I DO NOT have an “extensive first hand familiarity” of the people in those countries, if I state that typically Poles spend their lives getting drunk, or typically the French are racists, or Americans typically shoot down anyone who angers them, or typically the Asian are stingy, or Latin Americans are lazy, nothing can be further from the truth because in the world I came from it is called prejudice and ignorance. I hope one day you will have the chance to visit Morocco you will love the country, its people and its food.
I did for 8 months and I do.
But I would never claim any insight.
Same for two years in Turkey and
lots of time in Spain.
Ibrahim.
To Moderator B.H.
Please only moderate – do not censor and do not opinionate. You seem to do too much of both. The other moderators seem to do quite well.
“The comment about ” do not opinionate ” did give me a good chuckle, so thanks for that. :-)”
Me too :)
Personally, I find mod ‘opinion’ on this blog refreshingly individual: makes a nice change from ‘did not comply with our community standards’..zzzz
To Stephen:
In the immortal words of the B(o)ard: ‘s**k it up’. Opinion is free to all.
People,moderators need to keep up with increased troll/bot traffic. We should respect that and remember that they are working for free. And Saker,which gathered us all here-trust them.
In my ABHO (anything but humble opinion) I think moderators should not censor AT ALL the locals here….the regulars…unless they are involved with a spat with another local that might hurt some feelings and be regretted later….but other than that…censorship of us locals is policing the villagers and should certainly not happen….such as an OT…like XbNB had a weird reptilian story (but some of those are really good)…and BH censored it…yuck.
“like XbNB had a weird reptilian story (but some of those are really good)”
Just youtube David Ickes he’s right into that stuff.
cheers
Proverbs 12 and 13 also speak to the same issue.
Bottom line: this is a typical turf battle between cops and not a secession of Chechnia from Russia
I agree, though the zionazis are working overtime to confuse the issue (including the websayanim commenters killing this site), and their 5th column inside Russia in the media are also trying to create divisions, as always, as ordered.
«Кто-то из них двоих говорит неправду»(“One of the two of them telling the truth”)
On Friday, the Chechen government website published a statement of the Chechen State Duma deputies and Federation Council members. They accused the Police Academy in provocation.
“We observe with deep regret over how the representatives of some Russian media are trying to use emotional and humanly quite predictable response head of the Chechen Republic, Hero of Russia Ramzan Akhmatovich on illegal and provocative actions of the Interior Ministry for the loosening of political stability in Russia. Independence in Russia did not pass and do not pass. But his supporters and sympathizers among Russian journalists under the pretext of freedom of speech are trying to destabilize the social and political situation in the country, to find weaknesses in the relationship between the regions and the federal center. However, in relations between Moscow and the Chechen Republic as a subject of the Russian Federation there is no contradiction as no weaknesses “- the statement says.
On Friday, the Interior Ministry said they had nothing more to add to the already made a statement regarding the statements of Kadyrov. “The Interior Ministry issued a statement, and it has all been said” – told Tass in the Interior Ministry.
Military expert Alexander Perendzhiev believes that the conflict will eventually be exhausted and the parties come to an understanding. However, he called for to understand the specifics of the Chechen Republic, the ethnic group and the manager. “I would not say that Kadyrov was exaggerating. He – the person responsible for the territory. On the other hand, the militants of different terrorist organizations may dress in police uniforms and submitted that came from Moscow, Rostov and Ryazan. And this kind of conduct by terrorist acts. That is the main point about which expressed concern Kadyrov. In this respect, he is right. He must be informed as to its territory the Interior Ministry, even though the federal significance “, – told the newspaper VIEW Perendzhiev.
According to the expert, the person, of whose acts are not aware of the republic’s leadership, in fact, may be regarded as a disguised militants. “That is the concern expressed Kadyrov when he said that it is necessary to use weapons against those who do not understand. The situation in Chechnya is very tense. Kadyrov is very willing to present in its territory was peace and quiet, “- said Perendzhiev.
Recall, on the eve of the words of Kadyrov’s security forces to raid the Stavropol received considerable attention. Kadyrov said that the days when someone could take and kill Chechens passed. “There is a requirement of the law to punish such people, we do it and we will deal with. And everyone should know that on the territory of the Chechen Republic of the rule of law. I officially declare to you (contact your local law enforcement agencies – approx. VIEW): if your site without your knowledge there – no matter whether he or Muscovite stavropolchanin – you need to shoot to kill. With us, should be considered … “- he said.
Speaking of the territorial jurisdiction of the security forces, Kadyrov was referring to two cases of murder during detention Dadaeva Shavanova and blew himself up while trying to arrest him the security forces from Moscow.
“We arrived in masks, helmets (without approval), it means that they are criminals. We XXI century, enough! Destroying us, insulted us, humiliated, but we do not accept this constitution, to kill us, “- said Kadyrov.
Employees of Internal Affairs Directorate in Stavropol and united group conducted a special operation in Grozny on Sunday evening. According to police, Dadaev the federal wanted list under “grievous bodily harm”.
In Chechnya, in respect of members of a special operation to detain Dadaeva was prosecuted for abuse of office (Article 286 part. 3 of the Criminal Code). The penalty for this article – from three to ten years in prison.
As I see it, the problem is essentially one probably of mis-communication or of slack control of subordinates. The Russian Interiour Ministry claim they followed all the proper notification procedures, the Chechen equivalents claim they were not notified. Both K and the IM head are relying upon subordinates who are repeating the words of their subordinates, who themselves may or may not be telling the truth. This is why the incident is being investigated.
Meanwhile, the less than scrupulous elements in the media, in Russian media, and the zionazi west as a whole, have tried to use this incident to inflame division within Russia, as they always do.
What makes this a serious problem in Russia is that zionazi terrorists have in the past used police disguises to commit their terrorism. This makes it imperative that any outside police force operating in Chechnya be fully vetted beforehand to avoid that sort of zionazi/nazi flase flag terrorism slipping under the radar again. The zionazis absolutely do not want their terror ops curtailed in any way in this regard, hence their attention on this matter throughout the web and amongst their media sayanim.
Thank you. That’s how I was seeing it too, that Kadyrov was essentially warning all his people not to get slack in the belief that unknown personnel could be operating legitimately in their territory. Maybe the way he said it was “unacceptable” – I don’t know, I haven’t studied the story closely enough – but it seemed to me his point was completely valid, and needed to be made.
It’s kind of like how you wouldn’t go out on the street in the US with a toy gun in your hand, because the cops have a zero-tolerance policy for being in any kind of danger. Admittedly, this is at the scared sh*tless end of the spectrum, while Kadyrov and his people are totally at the other end, the fearless end. But it’s actually the same scenario I think.
Thank you Bot Tak.
I think you have provided the answer for everyone and put everything in conext.
It is amazing that so many of us are aware that the MSM shouldn’t be trusted and yet they spin a story to again break the relationship btn Kadyrov and Putin and people react in a knee jerk way instead of standing back and realising they are being manipulated…..
Rgds,
Veritas
Grieved & Veritas
Cheers and thanks.
the master on April 27, 2015 · at 6:16 pm UTC
the killers of Nemtsov lived in Moscow in a flat which belonged formally to Kadyrov´s mother
No factual support for that statement is provided.
Johan on April 27, 2015 · at 6:52 pm UTC
True. Such emotional reactions are also very typical in the Middle East (I have extensive first hand familiarity with Arab conduct) [I’m sure you do israelo-nazi], and one should not put the same weight on them as one would in Europe. That is the upside.
The downside is that one should never put much weight on emotional assurances of friendship coming from those quarters either.
Pure anti-Muslim/anti-Arab bigotry from an Israeli pov.
These are not the views of decent human beings, but the ravings of extremists hellbent on very sick shit equivalent to the worst the WW2 German nazi freakshow sought. Only this time around, the sicko’s support for Israeli cultural genocide and and ethnic cleansing is sanctioned as Gospel.
Format correction:
Johan on April 27, 2015 · at 6:52 pm UTC
True. Such emotional reactions are also very typical in the Middle East (I have extensive first hand familiarity with Arab conduct) [I’m sure you do israelo-nazi], and one should not put the same weight on them as one would in Europe. That is the upside.
The downside is that one should never put much weight on emotional assurances of friendship coming from those quarters either.
I neglected to use the right coding for the last para and wanted to make sure her bigoted views were not that of my own.
Kadyrov is a strong man who has assumed power because Moscow needed a strong man to consolidate the region, sometimes strong men act out, they are hot heads by nature. His role however has not changed, nor has Moscow’s need for continued stability in the region.
I adore Kadyrov and if he asked me to marry him, I might.
….So you like strong men! Just beware, strong men often have a hard time remaining faithful to one partner :)
Kadyrov has lots of wives…he said he thought there was nothing wrong if the husband ‘could afford it’….and he loves horses….so do I…the best thoroughbreds in the world now are in Dubai and he races there.
I didn’t even know that about Kadyrov, I just knew from his character that one lady wouldn’t suffice, so of course he wants more wives. I tried floating that idea, my wife wouldn’t go for it though, so the plan has been nixed….. :)
While “patriarchy” has long been the propaganda meme of feminists in the west, the reality speaks otherwise, IE:
I tried floating that idea, my wife wouldn’t go for it though, so the plan has been nixed….. :)
:D
(BTW, it is possible for a male to maintain relationships with more that one woman in the backward USA (with its backward bubba bum rape mentality of morality), it’s just safer not to advertise it too openly. ;D )
Anonymous on April 28, 2015 · at 7:02 am UTC was me.
“Anonymous on April 28, 2015 · at 7:02 am UTC was me.”
No kidding!
We’d never have guessed..:o
talk about racism and bigotry!
Kadyrov has only one wife, whom he has known since their teenage years if not longer, is a good husband and father, and a very devout Muslim, very knowledgeable in Islam.
I have a great respect and admiration for him, but comments like “I love him, I’d like to marry him” strike me as particularly brainless.
He and his bodyguards have a lot of wives, which by no means is enough.
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2014/09/16/19520.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovtsy
Does that sound romantic?
“He and his bodyguards have a lot of wives”
That is not true, you have obviously invented it. And your “links” have nothing to do with that topic whatsoever. Who are you?
Don’t we all love strong and intelligent men :P
If he askes you, I will be so-damn-jealous!
If you are ready to be treated worse than a horse just go for it.
That is the fate of muslim women. Kadyrov is not vacant.
f you are ready to be treated worse than a horse just go for it. That is the fate of muslim women.
I have lived in two Muslim countries (Afghanistan and Pakistan) and have a great many Muslim friends here in Switzerland where I live, and I can tell you that you are far off the mark. Most of the Muslims in both these countries and here in Switzerland treat their wives with respect and love. I also have known many European and American Christians who treat their wives worse than a horse, who consider them as mere chattel. Conclusion? It is wrong to generalize and broad-brush a people based on the behaviour of a small minority.
@Ann:
Do you speak Chechen?
What if instead of ” will you marry me, Ann?” Kadyrov was really saying “please come and help me slaughter a 50stone pig for my 21st wedding anniversary Ann?”
Just sayin’..:o
well, I don’t think he would require me to do that..as I’m vegetarian…anyway, I would be in the barn.
It is a fact that Dadaev is/was a friend of Kadyrov. It is normal for friends to allow friends to stay at their apartment while in the capital. That would not be evidence against Kadyrov, unless that is the FSB plan.
It is possible that an FSB leader might run a frame-up against people he is jealous of. It is obvious that there are jealousies against what some FSB may see as an upstart that needs to be put down. They may be so jealous as to invent evidence, after falling for some CIA-planted evidence.
Same way, Beria believed that Noel Field–whom I mentioned above–was CIA. Then they framed Rajk and the rest. Denied sleep, after sufficient beatings, the accused confessed–and so did Dadaev.
To understand the Chechnya mood, listen to the director of the Tolstoy Museum in Chechnya: “The czarist forces brutalized civilians. Tolstoy and his brother repeatedly saved Chechens from this lawlessness. Chechens love him unlike other writers because he never, not in a single one of his works, wrote badly of us.”
Chechens are most ungrateful people. Mongols did kill more than half of Chechens. Pushed them up the mountains where were dying from starvation in thousands. Russians defeated Mongols, and they give them back the flatlands until the river. They even give them a Russian city of Grozny.
The city established and built by Russians. Yes it is true that Chechens at one time were powerful and great nation living on large territory, but it were Scythians who were fighting them and pushed them from those territories, and then came the Mongols who did finish the job.
Russians were not only reasonable but actually kind to them. And this is the gratitude?
Similarly Serbians were kind to Albanians and let them settle on their territory of Kosovo, and you know what happened. Both cases confirm the old wisdom “No good deed will escape a punishment.”
Kadyrov is very loyal to Russia,as well as to Putin personally.He knows what Chechnya would be like if he wasn’t.All he has to do is look at every other Muslim area that has fallen into the Empire’s clutches to see that disaster.Not only should Russia trust him.But they should let him deal with the jihadist threat to them.The Empire knows he stands against them and will do anything they can to undermine him.This BS is just another of their plots against Russia.I think Putin knows that.
Is that all u got on it. Wow. You are one big hypocrite. Russia is a federation and it has specific laws for specific situations. Russia is not the personal fiefdom of white skinned russkii narod but a federation of the various peoples. Keeping this in mind Kadirov does not like to be shown like a puppet among his people because a group of Stavropol clowns like to act Rambo. It is the white skinned nationalist and 5th columnist russkii who need to take it easy and cool it. Next time they decide to go on a chechen duck hunt they better be ready for the consequences. Kadirov does not need to prove his credentials. The western boot licking russkis need to.
Unlikely this was clowns playing rambo. Much more likely this was a provocation to damage Kadyrov.
Kadyrov is a thug and a murderer. He is very likely behind the murder of Politkovskaya, and almost a certainly behind the murder of brothers Yamadaev. He is a liability for Putin at this stage and I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes down in the near future, especially if it turns out he is behind Tue murder of Nemtsov.
I dont think he is behind of Nemtsov murder. I would give my 5 cent to the version, that FSB staged it, to get rid of both Nemtsov and Kadyrov.
The FSB could have planned Nemtsov murder, only if they were on the Atlantists’ side, which is doubtful. The guy was the best thing Putin had, he was a Putin critic who had already passed to the enemy side; he was advising the enemy; he was an embarrassment to the Atlantists.
Nemtsov was a blessing for Putin alive; dead, he is a curse.
Much more likely the FSB let themselves be tricked by the West once again.
Are you sure that Putin really cares about west? He has to stay in power until he dies unless he wants to go to jail or get shoot. Can it be a warning to all opponents?
Obviously he cares about the problem of Western leaders waging war on Russia in the East, just as he had to care that they did have connections with the terror network in Chechnya; just as he cares about the fact that they ordered a killing to pin it on the regime?
Sending warnings to opposition by killing an unpopular internal enemy? Would it not be simpler to charge with corruption the real threats to Russia, the Atlantist Fifth Column in his own government structure?
“… he was a Putin critic who had already passed to the enemy side; he was advising the enemy …”
True – but hardly that he was/is the only one with such glowing credentials… From Russia Insider (for those who have the stomach to watch): Professional Russophobes Anne Applebaum and Garry Kasparov Call for Russia’s Isolation… http://russia-insider.com/en/two-professional-russophobes-anne-applebaum-and-garry-kasparov-call-russias-isolation-munk-debates
I listened to that debate, it was great.
Nemtsov was the best that could be found, a charming, engaging, openly traitorous,spokesman for the Fifth Column. If a replacement does not appear soon, Putin should hire one, and pay him to attack him.
Kadyrov has killed much less people than any major NATO country’s president.
He is a popular harsh warlord who has brought peace to his country, to the dismay of NATO leaders.
hear hear….he’s actually in one of the Putin documentaries…and maybe at one time he was a ‘freedom fighter’ a ‘warlord’ and whatever….so what….so was Fidel.
Friends, let’s not fool ourselves. Russia has only imaginary control over Chechnya (and Dagestan for that matter). Yes, every once in a while Kadyrov, wearing a track suit, would visit Kremlin to confirm his allegiance, but that’s where Russia’s real control ends. Because there is no real control. Everything hinges on one single individual. Kadyrov. And this certainly isn’t about a cop turf battle. This is about Russian special police force violating what Kadyrov likes to think of as the “sovereignty” of his playground, his sandbox, the sandbox where the Chechens like to take care of business without the involvement of outsiders.
So, someone may have wanted to kill a witness in the Nemtsov case, or to stage an incident
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