As the dramatic events in the Ukraine are unfolding the topic of what President Yanukovich can, or can not do, regularly comes up and I think that this is a good time to go back to basics and look at what a government – any government, regardless of its political orientation – can and even must do when confronted with an urban armed insurrection.
First, a head of state, any head of state, has an obligation to uphold the Constitution, the law and order, to protect its citizens from abuse and violence against their persons and their property. Sounds trite? Yes, but the important concept here is that this is an obligation, not an option or a right.
Second, a head of state, any head of state, is the commander in chief of the country’s armed forces in the most general sense of the word: i.e. all those forces, units and individuals who are given the instruments of violence to protect the country: military, police, Interior Ministry forces, riot police, national guard, etc. Thus, and just as any commander in chief, the head of state also bears the ultimate responsibility for the lives and well-being not only of the citizens these forces are supposed to protect, but also for the forces carrying out his orders. Again, this is hardly an original insight, and yet it is overlooked in the current situation (more about that later).
Now let’s look at what kind of “opposition” we are dealing with in the center of the city of Kiev. According to most accounts, it is a very diverse lot of people:
1) “Simple” Ukrainians (“simple” in the sense of “not politically aligned”) fed up with the corruption, poverty, incompetence, arrogance and violence of the ruling elites. These are the kind of folks one could see in the streets of Moscow or Saint Petersburg in the early-mid 1990s desperately trying to make a living while trying to avoid being victimized by the numerous Mafia gangs and corrupt officials preying on them. These are demonstrators, but crucially non-violent ones. For our purposes I would refer to this group as “civilians“.
2) Various types of demonstrators willing to use violence against the police, other demonstrators and buildings. I will refer to this group as “rioters“.
3) The next step up are those rioters who are organized in teams or groups armed with various types of improvised but lethal weapons including not only iron bars and ice-picks, but also Molotov cocktails, knives, hatchets, handguns, rifles and even vehicles (trucks and tractors used as a weapon to run over police forces). These are urban “insurgents“.
4) Finally, there are a few well-trained individuals who act in small teams to accomplish special tasks such as sniper fire, demolition, kidnappings, hostage taking and assassinations. These are “terrorists“.
At this point in time, and since all sides are lying, it is hard to make accurate estimates about the proportion of each of these elements in the clashes in Kiev, but we can safely say that all of these elements are present at the scene.
Now let’s look at what the government has deployed as forces against these elements: regular police forces, riot police (the Berkut) and, according to recent news, about 500 paratroopers flown in to protect some weapon depots around Kiev (these do not participate in the events in downtown Kiev). As far as I can tell, the regular police forces have been mostly kept back and the most of the actual fighting has involved the Berkut riot cops. Again, it is hard to ascertain for sure whether this is true or not, but Ukrainian officials claim that Berkut cops have not been issued real ammo, only plastic bullets. They also have flash-bang grenades, truncheons and water cannons. All the footage I have seen so far seems to confirm that this is true, at least in Kiev.
I have just seen footage (here) of what appears to be an attempt by rioters to storm a building of the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) which has resulted in a single burst of automatic fire from inside the building hitting and possibly killing, one or several rioters. From the level of the bullet holes in the window it appears to me that the shots were fired downward from a higher position inside the building and that the rioters might have been hit by ricochets. This seems to have taken place in the city of Khmelnytskyi, in western Ukraine.
While being aware of the fact that dynamics might be very different elsewhere, I want to focus on what is happening in downtown Kiev, on the Independence Square (aka “the Maidan”) and the surrounding streets.
What should a government do when faced with the type of mob rule and chaos we see taking place in Kiev?
I would suggest that the first task at hand has to be to contain the violence and to try to separate as best as possible civilians, from rioters, insurgents and terrorists. While it is, of course, absolutely impossible to send in the cops and remove the civilians one by one, even less so by force, the government can by means of loudspeakers or helicopter dropped leaflets try to convince the (non-violent) civilians to voluntarily leave an area were violence is omnipresent. These kinds of measures are usually of minimal effectiveness, but they serve in important legal function: they are an indication of the efforts of the authorities to discriminate between the various groups at the scene and an attempt to contribute to the safety of innocent bystanders. At the very least, such a warning places the responsibility for the consequences of rejecting an order to disperse on the civilians who, by refusing to disperse, are voluntarily making the decision to stay with violent rioters, insurgents and terrorists. In any case, I believe that the government can make the case that after sufficient time has passed and after clear warnings have been repeatedly issued that there are no more civilians left in the combat areas. This might sound cruel for those naive or plain stupid civilians who will inevitably ignore the warning, but one has to keep in mind that the responsibility of a government is to protect not only the lives of rioting civilians, but also of the rest of the population and law and order in general.
Once and area is considered “freed from innocent civilians”, the next issue which a government must deal with is one of proportionality. You cannot just send in the air force and carpet bomb downtown Kiev with napalm or cluster bombs or order an artillery strike. So what can be done to try to engage the rioters?
First and foremost, non-violent means can be used to severely complicate the situation of the rioters. How?
First, the city center must be completely cut off from the rest of the city. Troops must establish a cordon of police forces, roadblocks, concertina wire barriers, armored vehicles, fortified checkpoints, etc. which will completely isolate the combat area from the rest of the planet. Electronic warfare units have to be used to cut off all communications including cellphones, Internet and satellite. Mass media signals need to be locally jammed. Every effort must be made to establish an impenetrable barrier between the combat zone and the rest of the world. Last, but not least, nothing, absolutely nothing, can be allowed in. No food, no medicine, no water, no supplies. Nothing. Whatever the actual number of people currently assembled in the Maidan, it will take less than 24 hours for the water and sanitation situation to become completely unmanageable. In preparation for the inevitable movement out of the area, four heavily protected filtration points must be placed around the combat area: one on the north, east, south and west. These will be the only exit point through which surrendering rioters will be allowed to leave. Notice that at this point I am not talking about “dispersing civilians” but “surrendering rioters”. Every person leaving must be immediately arrested, disarmed, searched, registered and sent to temporary holding facilities until the police can investigate them and the courts prosecute them.
On a political level, the President should fully stop any kind of discussions, consultations or other “telephone conversations” with foreign diplomats who support the insurgents. “Sorry, I am busy restoring law and order, will call you later” should be all that a head of state should pass on to any “negotiators” from abroad.
Internally, any so-called “opposition leader” willing to surrender should be given the same option as any other rioter. No more, no less. To officially negotiate with insurgents is absolutely irresponsible and only invites escalation.
Notice that none of the above measures implies any use of violence against anybody. But some violent means will inevitable have to be used.
Riot police are not the correct force to use against insurgents and terrorists. These must be dealt with only by specially trained forces. Insurgents have to be dealt with by special counter-insurgency forces while terrorists must be engaged by anti-terrorist forces. Sound obvious? Well, maybe to you and me, but this is not at all what is taking place in the Ukraine. So far, Yanukovich has only sent the riot police to deal with the full spectrum of threats.
Now, I am not by nature somebody particularly sympathetic to riot cops. I see them as “human guard-dogs” who bite whomever they are told to bite. I find that a frankly disgusting career choice. But I have to admit two things: every country has to have this type of force and what the guys of the Berkut have been subjected to is absolutely outrageous: they were told to stand still under a deluge of boulders and Molotov cocktails, they have been rammed by trucks and tractors, they have been told to attack heavily armed and well organized mobsters without even a side-arm to defend their lives. They have been beat up over and over and over again and each time their own commander in chief, President Yanukovich, has blamed them for the violence. This is absolutely despicable and I am amazed that these guys have still not turned against Yanukovich himself.
I don’t know that for a fact, but I strongly suspect that the Ukrainian special and security forces are in the same kind of shape as their Russian counterparts were in the early to mid 1990s: in absolute disarray. And maybe, maybe, that is why Yanukovich cannot use them – because they are basically unusable. This is possible, but for a country the size of the Ukraine it is hard for me to believe that even a small force sufficient to deal with the crisis in downtown Kiev could not be found. Does the SBU really not have any forces at all? If that is really the case, then the regime is guilty of criminal negligence.
In Russia, a situation like the one in Kiev would be quite impossible for many reasons, but if we imagine that this would happen, the government could use the OMON to deal with “regular” rioters, the ODON to deal with the insurgents and the Spetsnaz FSB to deal with terrorist. Under no circumstances should the military be directly involved in such operations (support missions such as communications and signal jamming are a different matter).
Again, either Yanukovich has such forces and he is criminally negligent for not using them, or he does not have them, in which case he is criminally negligent for not having trained and organized them. Either way, this is a direct responsibility of the government.
Assuming that Yanukovich does have similar forces at his disposal, what could they do? Special counter-sniper teams (drawn from the anti-terrorist units) could be deployed to suppress sniper fire currently directed at the security forces. ODON-type counter-insurgency battalions could be used to directly engage the nationalist “combat teams” (for lack of a better term). These forces should be given the means and right to use lethal force, but they could do many things to intimidate their opponents (a long burst of 30mm or 50mm tracer fire on the wall of a building will do miracles to convince the neo-Nazi insurgents that it is time to return to the western Ukraine). APCs could be and AIVs could be used to rapidly dismantle any barricades or crush any “improvised assault vehicles” (trucks, tractors, buses, forklifts) used to crush the riot cops. Basically, a square like the Maidan could be cleared within less than a few hours and with relatively few casualties or fatalities. Yes, there would be victims, but it would not be a bloodbath.
Having shown that such instruments of state power do exist, I want to repeat something I said above: to contain the violence and restore law and order is not an option, it is an obligation for any responsible head of state. And if Yanukovich does not have the courage to do that which he is legally obligated to do he should resign.
What did he do instead? He negotiated ad nauseam with western diplomats and the so-called “opposition leaders”, he made absolutely irresponsible concessions, he tried to sent the poor riot cops to restore order even though they cannot do that by definition, and he blamed them for the resulting violence. With his every move he has consistently signaled the same thing: weakness, weakness, weakness and weakness. And the result?
Not only has the violence dramatically increased, the combat zone has now grown way beyond just Maidan square and Gruchevski street. Take a look at this screenshot of a Russian TV map of the combat area:
Now that the violence has spread to a much bigger section of downtown Kiev, it will take a much bigger force to deal with it?
I can only hope that the insurgents do not have the manpower to dig in and hold to a larger area than before, as this would make the human cost of dealing with the violence much higher.
In conclusion I want to say this: I cannot accept the argument that Yanukovich could not deal with the violence on political grounds. Political expediency is no excuse to betray your sworn oath to protect the people of your country, defend the Constitution and maintain law and order. I categorically reject the notion that sending in riot policemen armed only with non-lethal weapons is the correct way to deal with the kind of situation at hand. I think that these never-ending consultations and negotiations with sworn enemies of the Ukrainian people like the EU diplomats or the so-called “opposition leaders” are not only useless, they are highly counter-productive and they only invite further escalation.
So no only did Yanukovich to everything wrong in the past, he still does everything wrong now. I see him as the number one culprit for the current situation and I am afraid at what else he might completely FUBAR before he is finally kicked out of power.
This is all very sad and tragic, and the only good thing I see coming from all this chaos, misery and violence is the possibility that the eastern and southern Ukrainian will finally realize that they have not future in a common country with the crazed Zapatentsy, neo-Nazi militias and other nationalists and that they need to take their sovereignty back, either join Russia or, at least, to sever their current ties with the western Ukraine.
As for Yanukovich, his place in the future history books next to the likes of Kerensky and Eltsin is assured and, in the meanwhile, nothing positive will happen in the Ukraine as long as that pathetic oligarchic puppet remains in power.
The Saker
PS: the only good news this morning is this: Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Vladimir Putin, confirm that Russia will not get involved in any way in the current conflict in the Ukraine. Thank God for that!
right-on,baby…an aging “new-leftie” absolutely agrees with you point-by-point! ukie is indeed FUBARed…remains to be seen what happens in the east and south…”skull-and-bones” kerry’s comments ammount to verbal diahrrea.
Partitioning a diverse country on ethnic or ideological lines is a very dangerous thing to do. Think Yugoslavia. Where do you draw the new borders? How do you stop the situation spiralling out of control and ethnic cleansing on both sides of the contested borders?
Still if the Orange brigade and their sponsors in the West want to trigger civil war they’re going the right way about it.
@Robert:Partitioning a diverse country on ethnic or ideological lines is a very dangerous thing to do
I COMPLETELY agree with you. I fact, I WARNED against that here:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-gates-of-hell-are-opening-for.html (section Sarajevo on the Dniepr”).
But the problem is that I do not see how this could be avoided. Bosnia was a total disaster and so will a partition of the Ukraine, but how can that be prevented with the Western nationalist gone absolutely crazy?
Cheers,
The Saker
You’re assuming that the security services who would crack down on the coup have not been infiltrated by pro-western supporters. For all we know Yanukovich may have given the order only to find that many of the functionaries of power whom he thought he could count on may have undermined him by refusing to execute any instructions given to them.
Do you remember al Jazeera presenting you coverage of the “Afghan war veterans” who were protecting the protestors? It may be that America has acquired a fifth column inside the military who will mutiny.
Written from the shallow end of the gene pool by someone who is either poorly informed or negligent, or as deliberate disinformation, or is just plainly incapable of foreseeing Putin’s KGB hand in the behaviour of the “Ukrainian” Head of State”.
Perhaps he should return to his homeland and get a lesson in “How Russia Can Appear To Legitimately Invade and Reabsorb Ukraine 101”.
The Russians with a 1000+ years of history there, of course knows Ukraine in any aspect better than the US.
I agree that they shouldn´t get involved directly, but it would be foolish not using that knowledge and have it´s people in the different affected areas, to prevent it from spreading where it definitely shouldn´t be. So to speak. Like the intelligence, Ukrainian and Russian intelligences knows one another very well since way back of course and they are pretty sure working together on this one.
Saker,
Sounds like a good approach. I woulds suggest that isolation of the crowd is a good tactic. Then just wait for the ‘enthusiasm’ to evaporate.
Also, those leaflets might need to be in English and Polish as well./sarc
T1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26265808
Army Chief sacked.
Partitioning Ukraine into various autonomous republics would most certainly have detrimental effects on anyone trying to make ends meet in these micro-states. Just see how poorly Moldavians have been doing since the USSR was criminally destroyed or, worse still, how rotten life has become for the once comfortable and comparatively well-off Yugoslavs after they decided to become Croats, Slovenes, Bosnians etc. Many of them are now living on UN/EU handouts or digging for food in the garbage bins of restaurants. Well, what goes around, comes around …
Now you don’t talk so loud
Now you don’t seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal
http://vimeo.com/5124986
In my opinion the future would look much brighter for people in eastern and southern Ukraine if they had the good sense to decide in a referendum on joining the Russian Federation as a republic, just like Yakutia … but warmer! This would certainly bring enormous benefits to the people in these parts of the country and it be of strategic importance for the RF.
As to today’s western Ukraine … dunno. If people there really all are rabid Nazis, as they’re made out to be, then who cares? Maybe Poland and/or Romania will have pity on them and incorporate the territory into their own countries. But what if even there there’s a silent majority of people who’d rather join the Russian Federation than being absorbed into the rotten EU?
P.S.: Maybe there should be a country-wide referendum?
Saker,
Comparing this to the Yugoslavia situation, Russia was in complete chaos at that time. Now, that Russia is stable, do you see a difference in outcome concerning Ukraine when compared to Yugoslavia? In Yugoslavia, Russia was in a dire situation and could not block the West’s/NATO’s involvement. Thanks for the insight. All the best.
Why do you think BOTH sides are lying?
@ … said…:You’re assuming that the security services who would crack down on the coup have not been infiltrated by pro-western supporters
As far as I know most of the riot police come from the East, though I am not sure about other, more specialized, security forces. Still, I doubt that a majority of the security forces has been substantially infiltrated by the crazies. But I don’t know for sure. That could definitely be a consideration.
@whazzo:I agree that they shouldn´t get involved directly, but it would be foolish not using that knowledge and have it´s people in the different affected areas, to prevent it from spreading where it definitely shouldn´t be
I completely agree with the notion of containing the rot. But I do not believe that Russia should get involved in what is going on. It’s not all the US and the EU, there is a very real constituency of rabid nationalists in the Ukraine and it is for the rest of the Ukrainian population to find some way to deal with them. If Russia did intervene it would also fuel the constant stream of Ukie paranoia about the Moskal’s “dark and invisible hand” behind it all. Remember the idiotic canard about a Russian Spetsnaz brigade allegedly assembling just outside Kiev to prepare for an assault on the Maidan? That is just an example of how these insecure crazies deal with their inferiority complex, so why feed it?
@Anonymous Lurker:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26265808. Army Chief sacked.
Very interesting. As I said it about Syria, purges are always a sign of real problems and this latest news only comforts me in the impression that Yanukovich is clueless on how to deal with the situation.
Many thanks and kind regards to you all,
The Saker
Saker, instead of “wining” what Yanukovych did or did not you should put forward the financial background of the Ukrainian elites including the one of Mr Yanukovych, just as it was done in German article “Dithering in Kiev: Russia Begins to Lose Patience with Ukraine”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/yanukovych-waffles-as-ukraine-protests-continue-a-952586.html
in chapter “Hub for Wealthy Ukrainians”.
No wonder they do nothing with Maidan being very busy with their private businesses and trying to save from their fortunes what is possible to save before Western sanctions have been implemented.
Regards
I have only slight quibbles to anything you have said here. The distinction to me of ‘civilian’ already is no longer applicable. That is why the crowd size is dwindled to a few thousand where it was once in the tens of thousands. All of the civilians went home after the violence escalated back at the end of January and are doing their fighting now on the internet. The one’s who are left are fully cognizant, accountable, culpable, supportive, and facilitating of the violence. When you see women ripping up streets for stones and making Molotov cocktail to be passed in brigade lines up to the Banderites on the front lines – then they are just the logistics arm of this little erratz Banderite insurgency and should be treated little differently from the greater mass of ‘rioters’.
And the ability to identify, separate, and deal with in isolation and with particular counter-forces the different categories of Maidanuti as you have prescribed, is nearly impossible in the conditions of urban warfare and front – sheltering ‘protest bodies’ as any counter-terrorist/insurgency operation the West has been involved with over the decades has shown.
Other than that – I am in complete agreement with your analysis of the situation.
@anonymous:Comparing this to the Yugoslavia situation, Russia was in complete chaos at that time. Now, that Russia is stable, do you see a difference in outcome concerning Ukraine when compared to Yugoslavia? In Yugoslavia, Russia was in a dire situation and could not block the West’s/NATO’s involvement
Yes, in the 1990s Russia was as totally screwed-up as the Ukraine today and, yes, Russia could, in theory, bring a lot of power to bear on the developments in the Ukraine. However, keep in mind that all of Yugoslavia was *tiny* compared to the Ukraine and the risks and stakes right now are much higher. This is why I hope that Russia will not intervene other than by 1) providing financial support to any halfway decent Ukrainian government and 2) in defense of the Crimean Peninsula should the crazies try to seize it by force. But other than that, the Ukrainians need to clean house themselves, they have to somehow deal with this mess, imho.
@Mark Sleboda:The distinction to me of ‘civilian’ already is no longer applicable. That is why the crowd size is dwindled to a few thousand where it was once in the tens of thousands. All of the civilians went home after the violence escalated back at the end of January and are doing their fighting now on the internet. The one’s who are left are fully cognizant, accountable, culpable, supportive, and facilitating of the violence
Very good point and you are probably right. I guess I think that a government has the legal obligation to issue some kind of last warning before using force, but I understand that in most cases this is futile, you absolutely correct.
Thanks, take care, and kind regards,
The Saker
Saker
Agree with much of your analysis here, and how to isolate deal with the insurgency, but I think I would reduce the “classes” of insurgents to 3:
1. Foreign special service and spook trainers, organisers, the shadow leadership, essentially. These are the “undercover” Israeli, American and EU boots on the ground who are directly supervising the attack on Ukraine. The “commissioned officers”, basically.
2. Hardcore merc types, of varying nationality (but probably majority are trusted hardcore fascists long in the service of the west) who are the 2nd level in command who carry out the orders of the first group and direct the 3rd group. The “non-commissioned officers”.
3. Dupes, rabid nationalists, casual mercs and petty crooks, brought in to fill the ranks. The cannon fodder.
Militants’ actions in Kiev on Fe 18-19 not spontaneous, but staged – Russian diplomat
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_19/Militants-actions-in-Kiev-on-Fe-18-19-not-spontaneous-but-staged-Russian-diplomat-9553/
“Chairman of the Federation Council’s International Affairs Committee Mikhail Margelov believes that militants’ actions on Kiev streets on February 18-19 are not spontaneous, but staged.
The senator noted the common delusion that the so-called Maidan and its battle squad is not stage-managed, it is Cossak outlaws and “national power”. “The very events at Grushevsky Street disproved it: the militants dealt with law enforcers’ attacks too skillfully, refilled armory of shields, casks and clubs, and added cocktail bombs to convert it into napalm. The course of street riots February 18-19 showed that the militants fight in the so-called “Halych format” — it came to gunfire, and there are fatalities on both sides. There is evident organized nature behind the fighting,” Margelov believes.
In addition, he said that “after a fragile truce, the Maidan gains momentum in provinces: in Lvov, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankovsk”. “They not only occupy state offices there, but storm police wards and dismantle Berkut officers,” the Russian senator stated.
Margelov expressed confidence that “debacles and shooting that John Kerry dubbed “fight of the Ukrainian majority for Europe’s democratic future” are fairly staged and managed by experienced specialists in street fighting”. “Klitschko and Yatsenyuk hardly possess such military talents,” he assumed, adding that the job of these politicians is “to compose joint plans with the West to make up an oppositionist government and carry out a constitutional reform, which ought to be followed by western financial aid”.
Chairman of the Federation Council’s International Affairs Committee says it’s early to make any forecasts yet. “It would be a great achievement to stop the street mayhem and start a responsible political dialogue. Still, even this may not consolidate the Ukrainian society. It’s split: I cannot remember a single Ukrainian parliament that hadn’t fistfights,” the senator concluded.”
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This is an absolutely brilliant analysis.
On the issue of partition, might there not be a difference between Federalism under a unified government, yet with some regional autonomy, and an actual secession or a region resulting the breakup of the country (which could be disastrous)?
The Russians are starting to be more direct about who is behind the insurrection attempt in Ukraine.
Russia blames ‘extremists’ for Ukraine crisis, suggests attempted coup
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_19/Russia-blames-extremists-for-Ukraine-crisis-8434/
“…”Moscow strongly condemns violence of radical elements, who in the breach of all agreements previously reached actually used the implementation of the conditions on amnestying previously detained people and returned to violent actions immediately,” Peskov told reporters.
“Besides, their actions can be treated and are treated in Moscow solely as an attempt at a state coup,” Peskov said. “Together with the seizure of state organizations in various cities of Ukraine, the seizure of law enforcement facilities and attempts to seize arms occurs as well,” he said.”
Also:
Ukraine: opposition leaders, Western countries to blame for clashes escalation – Lavrov
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_19/Ukraine-clashes-escalation-opposition-leaders-Western-countries-to-blame-Lavrov-7828/
“…”Of course, the blame is on extremists, who tried all these weeks and all these months to bring the situation to such forceful scenario but considerable share of responsibility is also on opposition activists, who refused compromise, gave the authorities demands outside the legal frame and in the end turned out to be incapable to fulfill what has been agreed,” Lavrov said at a news conference following a meeting with his Kuwaiti counterpart.”
In my opinion, this insurgency is an undeclared war upon Ukraine from the western powers, and as such, should be considered as such legally, diplomatically and operationally. This means that the Ukraine response should include more than just suppression of the insurgents, but the neutralisation of the foreign element’s assets operating in Ukraine and the treatment of those involved foreign powers diplomatically as aggressor nations making war on Ukraine. Treat the aggressors, and their assets, as one would in an openly declared war.
This means booting the NGOs and other infiltration assets and treating their local recruits as traitors in wartime. Seize the assets of these nations in Ukraine, expel their nationals, close their embassies (and Ukraine’s embassies in these aggressor nations), close the borders with the aggressor nations, etc. And most importantly of all, be sure do this with any zionist assets in country, as these are the most insidious and duplicitous of this whole NWO world domination campaign.
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>> PS: the only good news this morning is this: Dmitry Peskov, spokesman for Vladimir Putin, confirm that Russia will not get involved in any way in the current conflict in the Ukraine. Thank God for that! >>
Sorry, doesn’t work, forget about it. Peskov’s statement is PATENTLY false, dead wrong, totally detached from reality. And if this nonsense is based on some wishful thinking in the Kremlin, then it’s game over. Hence, the only sane conclusion is that Peskov’s utterance amounts to premeditated double-speak, and this for the following reason:
After 30 years of neoliberal swindle and all-out lawlessness in the form of imperialist wars for worldwide colonial subjugation, Western imperialism is going down the drain. To wit, it’s facing plain terminal prolapse. On this basis, the so-called “International community” has little choice than to confront its enemies all along the line. Braindead Ukro Nazis may enjoy the ride immensely, but they sure as hell are not to be found in the driver’s seat; nor will they ever. The ultimate target of their sponsors is Russia’s collapse and enslavement; economically, politically, and militarily.
Conclusion: Given this violent insanity of Western imperialism and its Ukro disciples, Russia has no other options available than to take down the beast in a merciless, ferocious battle — the sooner, the better.
The sacking of the army chief may be connected with this:
Army may participate in antiterrorist operation in Ukraine – Defense Ministry
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_19/Army-may-participate-in-antiterrorist-operation-in-Ukraine-Defense-Ministry-6297/
“The Ukrainian Armed Forces may be involved in action related to an antiterrorist operation within the country. The possibility is mentioned in a report posted on the Ukrainian Defense Ministry website on Wednesday evening.”
Zamana may have been in disagreement with the government over that or been a tossed wrench in the works for other past reason. Or maybe the Ukraine guv is “cutting what it sees as the fat” now that they are finally on the move to end this foreign sponsored and run insurgency. It does look like a change of course is taking place, and Zamana’s sacking may be part of that.
Also, in a previous post I wrote “2. Hardcore merc types, of varying nationality (but probably majority are trusted hardcore fascists long in the service of the west)”. That should have been trusted Ukrainian hardcore fascists.
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Well, maybe my thinking that the Ukraine guv had changed course was wrong:
Ukraine’s president and opposition agree to truce
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_20/Ukraines-Yanukovich-and-opposition-have-agreed-to-truce-0060/
Looks like the debilitating stand-off situation has again returned.
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What i meant is that Russia should prepare the ground and BE prepared, should the subject of “peace keepers” come up in a worst case scenario.
If the (collapsing?) Ukrainian state can´t provide security for it´s own citizens we could end up with NATO inviting themselves into the mess of their own creation before any UN agreement is agreed upon, let alone discussed. South & East would almost certainly prefer to invite the already present Russia, (Sevastopol is undoubtedly prepared)who, on request, could evacuate their barracks and make a second shock & awe march, much like General Leonid Ivashov´s, towards Pristina airport -99. Where NATO was taken by surprise and where General Jackson said “I’m not going to start Third World War for you” to Weasel Clark.
Otherwise Foggy Ratmussen could be opt for the reversed scenario mentioned, not that i think that those cowards would, especially not after Georgia & Syria, but in the same ill-advised desperate manner as they are interfering in Venezuela and Syria and elsewhere, simultaneously, you´ll never know…
Definite agreement that the Ukr Gov needs to start taking count of foreign assets working on the ground in Ukraine and kick them out. We know of Poland, USA, Germany, Latvia as being some of the main protagonists fueling the fire. All diplomatic Staff expelled, all NGO’s expelled and assets seized as one would on wartime footing with hostile nations.
I would hazard to mention cut all dialogue with these countries. How the current Ukr Gov can be entertaining ideas of dialogue with these sponsors of its own demise is beyond me. It is like the picked on kid in the school yard begging not to be beaten up by bullies.
The more I see on this situation, the more sad I am for the average folk in Ukraine. May they ride this out and true governance come their way from their own efforts. Governance free from the current crop of incompetent and self interested morons. Much healing will need to come after this if that will be possible based on the outcome.
Remember that almost nobody among Polish people wants regime change in Ukraine, because they realize that the core of the so called opposition is made up of fanatic, radical, fascist nationalists loudly supporting the past deeds and celebrating the memory of the Stepen Bandera’s Ukrainian Insurgent Army (there have been many monuments built in Western Ukraine thanks to the Soros Orange Revolutions), look for the “Trident” emblem, known for unthinkable massacres of the Polish population in Eastern Poland. The Polish do not like this bloody attempt at coup d’etat at all. Noe a one bit.
Dr Aleksander Korman “Ukraińska Powstańcza Armia na terenach II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej i jej stosunek do ludności polskiej”, “Na Rubieży” 35/1999:
By request below are some examples of the practice of physical torture and atrocities by the OUN-UPA terrorists against men, women and children of Polish nationality, which I found in the result of many years of independent research:
1 Hammering large and thick nail into the skull
2 Peel the skin of the head of hair (scalping)
3 A blow to the skull with back of an axe
4 A blow to the forehead with back of an axe
5 Engraving on the forehead “eagle”
6 Sticking a bayonet in the temple of the head
7 Plucking out one eye
8 Plucking out two eyes
9 Cutting off the nose
10 Cutting off one ear
12 Razing off both ears
13 Perforation of ear with a pointed thick wire through the other ear
14 Cutting off lips
15 Clipping tongue
16 Slitting the throat
17 Slitting the throat and pulling out the tongue through the opening
18 Slitting the throat and inserting rags into the hole
19 Knocking out the teeth
20 Breaking the jaw
21 Disruption of the mouth from ear to ear
22 Gagging still living victims while transporting
23 Undercutting the neck with a knife or a sickle
24 Blow with an axe to the neck
25 Splitting the head vertically with an axe
26 Screwing head backwards
27 Making pulp out of the head by putting in between clamps tightened with screws
28 Cutting off the head with a sickle
29 Cutting off the head with a scythe
30 Cutting off the head with an axe
31 Blow with an axe to the neck
32 Stabbing the head
33 Cutting and pulling narrow strips of skin from the back
34 Various stabbing to the back
35 Blows of a bayonet in the back
36 Breaking the rib bones of the chest
37 Blow with a knife or bayonet through the heart or around the heart
38 Stabbing a knife or a bayonet of the chest
39 Trimming women breast with a sickle
40 Trimming women breast and sprinkling wounds with salt
41 Cutting off victim’s male genitals with a sickle
42 Cutting the trunk in half with chainsaw for carpentry
43 Stabbing the abdomen with a knife or a bayonet
44 Piercing the belly of a pregnant woman with a bayonet
45 Cutting stomach of adults and pulling out the intestines
46 Cutting belly of a woman in advanced pregnancy in place of the removed
fetus insertion of a live cat and stitching up the stomach
47 Cutting the belly and pouring boiling water inside
48 Cutting the belly of a woman, inserting stones into it and then throwing her into the river
49 Cutting out pregnant women’s belly and throwing broken glass inside
50 Pulling out a vein from one groin down to the feet
51 Inserting burning iron into the vagina
52 Inserting pine cone from the apex side into the vagina
53 Inserting sharpened pin into the vagina and pushing up into the throat, inside and out
54 Cutting the front of the women torso with a gardening knife, from the
vagina up to her neck and leaving the insides on the outside
55 Hanging the victims by the bowels
56 Inserting glass bottle into the vagina and crushing it
57 Inserting glass bottle into the anus and crushing it
58 Cutting belly and pouring into the interior food for hungry pigs, which tore it out along with intestines and other innards
59 Cutting off one hand with an axe
60 Cutting off both hands with an axe
Fully agree with back to basics. Ukraine elected the parliament and president, and formed a government without anyone in the west ever complaining about legality of elections. As a legitimate government, it has absolutely responsibility of protecting law and order. These are no protests. Rioting, insurgency demanding illegal change of government, and terrorisam against selected targets must be dealt with in any country that calls itself civilized. Hesitation, “negotiations” and using riot police against all-out insurgency, is criminal negligence and abandoning the population to the violence.
As for the Western Ukraine, I do not think that there is a solution involving any force, including military. Towns and villages are already overtaken by Svoboda and Right Forces, and the majority is with them. Neonazism is there fueled by Vatican, in the same way it was fueled in Croatia against Serbs. The best Ukraine could do is to quickly restore order in Kyev. Other isolated spots of rioting and insurgency, outside of Galicia, will be easy to deal with. As for Galicia, military will have to establish check-points between the region that supports insurgency, and the rest of Ukraine. I would not suggest any action against people who support insurgency, and where insurgents now rule. Military support need to go only to the townships and regions inside Galicia where population is terrified of nazi revival, such as is the region bordering Hungary where minority Carpatian Russins live. Other then that, a region can remain separated, and THEN negotiations can start. Kyev will have an upper hand, as these nationalists will no longer have the aura of representing ALL Ukrainians against “Russians”, that is, Ukrainians of Orthodox faith.
Partitioning Ukraine will not be same sa Yugoslavia, as there is no case here of various ethnic groups living intermixed thoughout the country, as it was the case of Serbs who historically are natives of Balkans, and lived in states created over time, be that Austrohungarian or Turkish empires, or newly founded states. The problem was, that no newly created state did not want too much of Serb minority population, and found variety of excuses, from administrative pressures to outright expulsion, to reduce numbers. In Ukraine, the vast majority of Catholic and Uniate population lives in Galicia. And for that reason, trying to force them to live within Ukraine would be a mistake. As they have no economy, and ironically live of the “Russians” whom they hate that much, and who produce export bound goods from factories in the east.
Longer term separation should be healing for both. Ukrainian government and military will be free from the need to constantly compromise with those that could not be made reasonable. And Lvov, the capital of the west Ukraine could either continue harping and demanding their rights to rule over the entire Ukraine, or pay attention to how to survive economically. As there are groups there that would much rather be in Romania, or Hungary — they will have to deal with problems of their own. Ironically, Poland that is doing everything to stir things up, will in the end rue the day it started the mess. They do not want Galicia, as they had tough time with them in WWII, and some ugly memories still remain. So, in the name of “world community”, got itself into a mess it should have avoided.
Dear Saker,
I have been following your blog for the last few months and find your analysis absolutely brilliant! I was wondering if you have seen this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8&desktop_uri=/watch?v%3D0DxkDiAcSF8&app=desktop
These people look unarmed to me.
What do you think about this?
Kind regards,
Геннадий
@Геннадий: I was wondering if you have seen this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8&desktop_uri=/watch?v%3D0DxkDiAcSF8&app=desktop
These people look unarmed to me.
What do you think about this?
Yes, I have just seen this footage on the First Channel news. Weapons wise, I see rods, a knife (in its sheath) and possibly a small semi-automatic tucked in a belt. So they are not really unarmed, look again. However, they are clearly under sniper fire so I can only assume that the shooter(s) are either police (they have just been given some kind of firearms today) or MVD (they had already received their AKs yesterday). From the local footage I think that it is pretty obvious that real gun battles are taking place and that the use of lethal ammo fired from AK and its civilian versions (Saiga and others) has now become generalized.
What do you think?
Many thanks and kind regards to you,
Балобан
Dear Saker,
Yes, you are right. I did’t notice it the first time I watched the video. Having said that I don’t think that rods and knives vs automatic rifles and sniper fire is a fair fight.
My prayers are with the people of Ukraine. I hope this bloodbath will be over soon.
Kind regards,
Геннадий
“Ukrainian officials claim that Berkut cops have not been issued real ammo, only plastic bullets. They also have flash-bang grenades, truncheons and water cannons. All the footage I have seen so far seems to confirm that this is true, at least in Kiev.”
Lier. Look better in the footage.
@Anonymous:Lier. Look better in the footage.
Overnight insurgent snipers killed 13 cops. Then, finally, the government issued firearms.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/02/first-evidence-of-assault-rifle-and.html
Cheers,
The Saker
E a Russia?
Vai ficar cagando de medo dos EUA até o golpe consumado?
Contra terroristas assassinos, contra nazistas, não há diálogo.
Se os EUA colocarem tropas, bases e misseis na Ucrânia, Vladimir Putin deve ser destituído.
In the state of Wyoming where I live, we have had much recent experience)thanks to global warming) with forest and brush fires.I have observed close hand how effective aircraft,ranging from helicopters to C-130s, that are equipped to dump loads of water on fires, can sometimes be. If I were charged with holding back the rioters,I would have found, borrowed or somehow acquired aircraft (preferably heavy helicopters) fitted to drop water. A few hundred tons of cold, salty water from above would put out fires and chill combative ardor with equal efficiency. Better shiver than bleed.
Aside from that I agree (as an old soldier) with everything you say about the astonishing cowardice, incompetence and stupidity of the Yanukovych response. The only thing I would add(other than cold water) to your prescription for containment is that that the Y should immediately sever diplomatic relations with the US and tell them to leave and not come back. I wish I was as optomistic about the Russians staying out as you seem to be.
Tom Garrett
“The installation of a client regime in Ukraine or imperialist carve-up of the country is ultimately aimed against Russia itself. Various think tanks are studying the ethnic and political tensions that could be exploited to bring about regime change in Russia and dismember that country as well.” (Berlin and Washington foment civil war in Ukraine, Peter Schwarz, WSWS, 20 February 2014).
The objective of current foreign sponsored regime operations is to integrate Ukraine into the EU (political/economic) bloc and eventually the NATO (military) bloc. Ongoing NATO expansion is engineering a dangerous situation but unfortunately (despite previous assurances to Russian officials) it is unlikely to cease. But the events in Ukraine are merely part of a larger picture. Unfortunately far worse events are approaching.
In addition to successive wars/regime change operations (an aspect of the globally expanding militarism of the U.S./NATO/Israel/Partnership member alliance), these include: impending military operations against Hezbollah (debilitation operations that will seek to neutralise retaliatory/missile capabilities); similar operations against militant groups in Gaza; probable eventual military strikes against Iran (to ‘defang’ Iran); impending regime change/denuclearisation operations against North Korea (such as OP 5029 to secure/destroy nuclear assets and subsequent ‘stabilisation operations’); probable inflammation of tensions over Cyprus resources; planned NATO expansion to include Ukraine, Georgia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Republic of Macedonia, etc.; the ongoing destabilisation of Pakistan; efforts to displace Chinese commercial interests in Africa (coinciding with increasing military operations by allied Western states); an expanding proxy war against Syria (fuelled by the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Israel, Qatar, U.K., France, Turkey, Jordan, etc.); probability of an approaching larger regional conflagration in the Levant (possibly involving a multi-front conflict between Israel and Hezbollah/Syria/Gaza and possibly other states); unstable situation between Pakistan and India; ongoing U.S. and Israeli destabilisation/ partition/ propaganda/ regime change operations against Russia involving the support of assets within opposition groups, NGOs, media, dissident/separatist groups; the military build-up of assets around China (and preparations for potential military conflict evident by the development of the Air-Sea Battle concept plan); the deployment of multi-layered multi-phase land and sea based missile architecture intended to achieve nuclear primacy of survivable first strike capabilities/ability to intercept retaliatory missiles in the event of conflict; the development of fast strike hypersonic weapon systems; overwhelming conventional strike capabilities; U.S./NATO military exercises that indicate preparations for potential military conflict with Russia; etc., it would be prudent for Russia (and China) to be prepared. What is occurring is more than a cold war but not a hot war yet.
P2. Unfortunately, man’s capacity for mass destruction has developed in advance of his behaviour.
Only fools would employ aggressive/globally expanding militarism (repeating policies of the past that ended in horror) and attempt to overcome the nuclear deterrent capabilities of perceived strategic opponents (that necessitates counteractions) in a nuclear era. Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it, only now it is occurring in a nuclear era.
The militarism of another military bloc is expanding. This militarism is unlikely to cease. Many wars of lower intensity are globally expanding however far larger conflagrations are approaching.
The eventual outcome is therefore both logical and largely predictable. Overcoming Russia and China’s nuclear deterrent capabilities is the next objective:
“It will probably soon be possible for the United States to destroy the long-range nuclear arsenals of Russia or China with a first strike.” (The Rise of U.S. Nuclear Primacy, Keir A. Lieber/Daryl G. Press, Mar/Apr 2006).
The Pentagon is developing architecture that seeks to overcome mutually assured destruction however the belief in a survivable first strike scenario significantly increases the probability of such a military strike being employed in the event of conflict. There are many who believe that nuclear weapons will never be employed however they overlook the fact that atomic warfare was an aspect of WW2. The atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki shows the U.S. has already resorted to atomic warfare. Operational plans are being developed to enhance first strike capabilities against both China and Russia.
Many do not recognise that although wars are often planned, wars can occur when they are not. Just as no nation wanted the first world war or the second world war, similarly, a third global conflagration will likely be unplanned. Many do not understand what is currently occurring or the probable outcome. Indeed, history is largely repeating.
“The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything save our modes of thinking and we thus drift toward unparalleled catastrophe.” [A. Einstein].
Nuclear war (a distinct eventual possibility, indeed arguably probable recognising what is occurring) does not translate to extinction but it is a horror that if it occurs will eclipse all wars in history. I am comfortable to allow time to reveal whether my assessment is correct or not. I hope that I am wrong.
No.
I read your article and find it totally insane. Why should he crush the violence? He should not fight the protests but goddamn resign, a country has meaning only if it exists functions in every way serving its people and be steered by their will. The bastard and his political mafia fat pigs should goddamn fcuk off, not further impoverish, injure physically and humiliate the people using their own hard earned tax money!