Videos are more revealing than photographs and news reports.
As I watched, I wondered how long can the armed forces of DPR and LPR stay passive, while the civilians on the border get harassed this way. I wondered how much longer and with how much intensity the UAF bombardments will go on.
Evidently, the UAF is prodding the Novorussians to do something. It seems that their strategy is to drive the separatists into making the first big move. Perhaps they have hopes of drawing the separatist forces into a killing zone in which UAF artillery could crush them.
One thing is very wrong here! The lady tells she does not want her face to be revealed because of possible revenge (she talks about being killed!) and her face is not blurred! And her location is visible.
Hopefully she´ll be OK, but this is very irresponsible journalism!
Kerrys visit to Sochi. Pontius Pilot washing his hands?
“New International Version
When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
The mad dogs in Ukraine will now run free until they are destroyed?
Excellent advise.I consider the OSCE there to be scum.They stand and do nothing but blame the rebels.The least the crowd could to is administer some “peoples” justice to them while they are there.
As nasty as it will be I don’t see any alternative to Novorossians cleaning out these attackers. They do not seem to be the usual terrorists from Kiev, but Azov or other (more) extremists. Maybe the work in progress now is getting Kiev to support this in some way — but looking at how they are being incorporated into the regular army, and trained by US troops, I don’t see it working like that.
This likely would not mean expanding attacks beyond the current ‘borders’, but it may mean having to bring the heavy weapons back in. Empire will try to hold Russia responsible, and do more sanction stuff, of course, but that’s BS anyway. Or Porky might try to use this to bering ‘peacekeepers’ in. Empire is pushing it every way they can as always. Still at some not too distant time in future NR will be forced to control this aggression.
Shirokino is entirely the work of Azov or whoever the local Right Sector chapter is. Ukie Army has apparently asked NAF several times to attack them back, as they themselves can’t control them (they’ve refused to be incorporated into \anything official).
Sakhanka is their work too. There are no NAF installations near there.
The attack on the guard post, where they captured the two wounded “Russian” soldiers, was also a Right Sector job, that is Aidar territory, the one so bad that Human Rights Watch actually made a report about them. .The airport shelling is them too, revenge for having been pushed out of there.
These are now the proxies in the double-proxy war. They are allowed and encouraged, clearly getting their ammunition somewhere…. but so Kiev can claim it’s not their fault, they can’t control them. If NAF smacks them, hard enough to totally end it, then THEY get the blame for breaking the agreement, and they get attacked full force, with all the gear they know is being stockpiled nearby.
Donbass will ALWAYS have to keep checkpoints and roadblocks. Forever. Imagine they make “peace” and get special status, federalised, whatever……. nothing to stop these goons from driving in and marauding every single day, unless there are armed people to stop them on the way in. Kiev certainly won’t stop them, not when they’ve made some of them the official police.
Recently there have been statements made about people in the occupied Donbass front being evicted from their homes to provide accomodation for UAF and ‘foreign troops’.
The gameplan has not changed,random shelling of any area to drive the people of the Donbass out,forced evictions and abductions.
Now….
“The attack on the guard post, where they captured the two wounded “Russian” soldiers”……The ministry is claiming Russia tried to kill them.
That means they are badly damaged by the SBU …et al
Just after Debaltsevo, on’ Vox Populi Evo’, Zakharchenko said “We can take Mariupol back but that would mean Kiev would cut the water off to the Donbass”.
The answer is so clear it needs to be screamed.Destroy the junta,and solve the problem forever.I am so sick (like those people) of the mealymouthed weak actions to these attacks.When you are attacked like that.You seek out the attackers and dispose of them,end of story.
Bob, not so simple, in reality.
What I would like to point out, is that in parallel to the conflict in the Donbass, is the financial crunch affecting the Ukrainians (I don’t consider the Donbass people Ukrainian any more), and by that I mean the energy price hikes, with inflation, and the contraction in the economy, the temperature is rising which will result in the Ukies protesting, then rioting when they can’t pay/get evicted.
What it requires is for the protests to become so serious, that kiev will HAVE TO pull back its troops from the Donbass. Of course, how long that will take to materialise is anybody’s guess.
I don’t put the faith in that ,that many on our side do.I can think of many regimes that have suffered economically very badly.Yet for years survived that pain.So long as a regime has an enemy to blame their problems on.Their people will support them enough to keep going. Especially if outside forces bankroll them to keep the government forces paid.I read today that while cutting payouts to debt holders the junta has earmarked a massive increase in military spending.The people on our side there don’t have “years” to survive shelling,bombing,shooting of civilians and still exist.I feel about it the way this song does :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObGXrJR32oU
I think coupla months ago I suggested that commentators maybe could have an option to label their post….eg options of this is a :
reply with agree/supporting material, disagree/ absolutely unbelievable, please explain more/justify your reasoning , rant, more facts/links, reply with unrelated material…off the wall…..you get the idea/I don’t…..OMG….the world has ended/will end/will never be the same
…I note Russia Insider has started to do this sort of thing recently…in a limited way…!
re Kerry Nuland meeting Putin/Lavrov and the “wonderful” progress etc
opinion piece from Pravda clearly states its all pointless, as they go back to NATO who still wants to put the screws on Russia..wherever they can to set Rus up as a patsy…
“ATO foreign ministers warned President Vladimir Putin that he had almost no time left to transform the fragile peace agreement into long-lasting peace, reports AFP. Kerry said at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Turkey that it is a “critical moment for action by Russia and separatists to live up to the Minsk agreement” signed in the Belarus capital earlier this year.
Kerry also said that the United States and its NATO allies would keep sanctions against Russia in order to ensure peace in Ukraine. “And we hope very, very much that President Putin, Russia, the separatists, will come together to work with Ukraine in order to fully implement it (Minsk) and make progress,” said Kerry. Interestingly enough, US Secretary of State John Kerry did not say a word about Europe’s (France and Germany act as Minks-2 signatories) and USA’s responsibility.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, in an interview with France 24, repeated it again, like a mantra, that Ukraine was a battlefield between Russia and the EU. “He (Putin) is not just fighting against Ukraine. He is fighting against you, against the Western world, he is fighting against the free world, he is fighting against the EU,” said Yatsenyuk.
Yatsenyuk noted that “free and fair” elections “in the separatist regions,” were impossible, as they would be carried out “under the barrel of the Russian gun.” Where is the prospect for a political development, which is the basis of the entire peace process?
The reaction of Ukrainian mass media is indicative as well. Ukrainian publications wrote that John Kerry, after the meeting in Sochi, “informed” Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko about his conversation with the Russian president. Poroshenko supposedly wanted to know what Kerry was doing in the “enemy camp.” Thus, there is no signal on the required pressure from Washington to Kiev in the implementation of the Minsk Accords. It was not a part of the USA’s plan at all.
The plan is different. As long as the Russian economy has not been destroyed under the pressure of sanctions, the USA wants to put Russia to its knees by laying the financial burden of the Donbass on Russian shoulders. The US wants to hold Russia responsible for the failure of Minsk-2 and make Russia pay for the restoration of the Donbass.
Also read: Who wants to take Donbass?
Ukraine does not mind that at all. An article by Igor Tyshkevich for the pro-American newspaper Hvilya is indicative at this point. The article titled “Great Deal for the Donbas and Reforms in Ukraine” says that Ukraine would not receive money for war, but it would receive money for economic recovery. Before that, the article says, Ukraine needs to get rid of the burden of the Donbass.
To achieve this, one must continue “talking” to the Donbass, the author advises. “That is, one must continue endless consultations, leaving all parties to the illusion of possible success. We must drag time not to hang the maintenance of the separatist regions on the thin neck of the budget.”
“It was not the Kiev authorities, but the people implementing Putin’s plan who were destroying the industry of the Donbass,” Tyshkevich wrote. Therefore, Ukraine, according to Tyshkevich, is free from financial liabilities and social costs to rebuild the destroyed infrastructure. In a nutshell, the Ukrainian and US administrations have developed a plan to talk the talk as far as the Minsk Accords are concerned. Both Ukraine and the USA believe that Putin will pay for the restoration of the Donbass, which still remains a legal territory of Ukraine.
There is another plan: to hold Russia responsible for violating the Minsk-2 and make Russia pay compensation for the results of the US-instigated coup.
And it’s already being done.”
– See more at: http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/18-05-2015/130623-usa_russia_ukraine_john_kerry_putin-0/#sthash.hxvTqWxm.dpuf
note USA NATO also stating recently they are increasingly alarmed re Russia ‘militarising” the Artic….note this is much much much easier for them and more tempting, to create trouble-problems for Russia-no oligarchs, militias, crazy Ukraine politicians, no fracking problems etc etc, so Kerry and Nuland show IMHO is a charade anyways, a feint, if you see what I mean…….
So long as the bullies continue with that type of talk.We will without a doubt end with war.With the end of the Western Empire of evil being the final result.The question is not “if”,but “when”.
And how pray tell will nuto and amoochika MAKE Russia pay? When Russia “annexed” Crimea what actual, serious repercussions other than the failed attack on the ruble and the ridiculous sanctions that are hurting the PU more than the target? A cesspool of rhetoric and nothing more.
Amazing place,from reindeer breeding in the Northern mountains to ‘Old Believers’ living the simple life.
Making hay in the spring and summer months,hunting and fishing in the Taiga in the fall and winter.
In the south essentially no difference between Tuvans and Mongols, how family members need a passport to legally visit family members.
Camel and horse breeding…brilliant soundtrack also,those interested in Shamanism and the cultures of Native North Americans will find this worth watching.
Poor people. Depending on the “good will” of some ZIA outlet called OSCE, which will, as a rule, turn out to be bias & constructive towards the “final solution” for the Frankenstein antination, so-called Ukraine, that will never be abandoned by the zioscum.
This reminds me of the Serbs left to their own in Croatia. It’s the same scenario!
Once the ukrops get armed sufficiently to expel the DNR & LNR residents, they’ll do it (= Operation Storm in the neonazi Croatia).
Meanwhile, this shows that the people on this side of the front line are wearing down as well. Given they are suffering far more than the other side, they’ll lose their patience & their hope long before the zionazi regime in Kiev falls. That worked in Croatia & Bosnia against us, Serbs, as well as against Milosevic’s Serbia which lost Kosovo upon “agreements” with the “international community.”
I hope the Russian side sees the danger & comes up with a comprehensive plan to resolve the horrible circumstances these poor people are subjected to ASAP.
We have a saying that roughly translates to: Scoundrels don’t fear the God but a beating.
That could be a universal saying.Its exactly the truth.Its been that way for thousands of years.I suspect it will be for thousands more.Its a mistake for us to ever forget that.
Videos are more revealing than photographs and news reports.
As I watched, I wondered how long can the armed forces of DPR and LPR stay passive, while the civilians on the border get harassed this way. I wondered how much longer and with how much intensity the UAF bombardments will go on.
Evidently, the UAF is prodding the Novorussians to do something. It seems that their strategy is to drive the separatists into making the first big move. Perhaps they have hopes of drawing the separatist forces into a killing zone in which UAF artillery could crush them.
The frustration and terror these folks feel is palpable.
I wonder what a PEW poll would indicate their choice of government. Porky and the fascists or Putin and prosperity?
Let’s have one of those Soros grassroots events in Donbass. Then a Jimmy Carter supervised election.
And include all of Donbass, and the neighboring oblasts. Even Odessa. Kharkov.
Let’s see how that goes for all those NGOs and State Department folks with their cookies, snipers and fire bombs.
One thing is very wrong here! The lady tells she does not want her face to be revealed because of possible revenge (she talks about being killed!) and her face is not blurred! And her location is visible.
Hopefully she´ll be OK, but this is very irresponsible journalism!
Kerrys visit to Sochi. Pontius Pilot washing his hands?
“New International Version
When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”
The mad dogs in Ukraine will now run free until they are destroyed?
Quote: Bombed Sakhanka residents cursing OSCE observers.
They should replace their curses with Molotov Cocktails !
That what is needed !
Excellent advise.I consider the OSCE there to be scum.They stand and do nothing but blame the rebels.The least the crowd could to is administer some “peoples” justice to them while they are there.
As nasty as it will be I don’t see any alternative to Novorossians cleaning out these attackers. They do not seem to be the usual terrorists from Kiev, but Azov or other (more) extremists. Maybe the work in progress now is getting Kiev to support this in some way — but looking at how they are being incorporated into the regular army, and trained by US troops, I don’t see it working like that.
This likely would not mean expanding attacks beyond the current ‘borders’, but it may mean having to bring the heavy weapons back in. Empire will try to hold Russia responsible, and do more sanction stuff, of course, but that’s BS anyway. Or Porky might try to use this to bering ‘peacekeepers’ in. Empire is pushing it every way they can as always. Still at some not too distant time in future NR will be forced to control this aggression.
Is the boil ready to lance yet?
Shirokino is entirely the work of Azov or whoever the local Right Sector chapter is. Ukie Army has apparently asked NAF several times to attack them back, as they themselves can’t control them (they’ve refused to be incorporated into \anything official).
Sakhanka is their work too. There are no NAF installations near there.
The attack on the guard post, where they captured the two wounded “Russian” soldiers, was also a Right Sector job, that is Aidar territory, the one so bad that Human Rights Watch actually made a report about them. .The airport shelling is them too, revenge for having been pushed out of there.
These are now the proxies in the double-proxy war. They are allowed and encouraged, clearly getting their ammunition somewhere…. but so Kiev can claim it’s not their fault, they can’t control them. If NAF smacks them, hard enough to totally end it, then THEY get the blame for breaking the agreement, and they get attacked full force, with all the gear they know is being stockpiled nearby.
Donbass will ALWAYS have to keep checkpoints and roadblocks. Forever. Imagine they make “peace” and get special status, federalised, whatever……. nothing to stop these goons from driving in and marauding every single day, unless there are armed people to stop them on the way in. Kiev certainly won’t stop them, not when they’ve made some of them the official police.
Recently there have been statements made about people in the occupied Donbass front being evicted from their homes to provide accomodation for UAF and ‘foreign troops’.
The gameplan has not changed,random shelling of any area to drive the people of the Donbass out,forced evictions and abductions.
Now….
“The attack on the guard post, where they captured the two wounded “Russian” soldiers”……The ministry is claiming Russia tried to kill them.
That means they are badly damaged by the SBU …et al
Just after Debaltsevo, on’ Vox Populi Evo’, Zakharchenko said “We can take Mariupol back but that would mean Kiev would cut the water off to the Donbass”.
cheers.
The answer is so clear it needs to be screamed.Destroy the junta,and solve the problem forever.I am so sick (like those people) of the mealymouthed weak actions to these attacks.When you are attacked like that.You seek out the attackers and dispose of them,end of story.
Bob, not so simple, in reality.
What I would like to point out, is that in parallel to the conflict in the Donbass, is the financial crunch affecting the Ukrainians (I don’t consider the Donbass people Ukrainian any more), and by that I mean the energy price hikes, with inflation, and the contraction in the economy, the temperature is rising which will result in the Ukies protesting, then rioting when they can’t pay/get evicted.
What it requires is for the protests to become so serious, that kiev will HAVE TO pull back its troops from the Donbass. Of course, how long that will take to materialise is anybody’s guess.
I don’t put the faith in that ,that many on our side do.I can think of many regimes that have suffered economically very badly.Yet for years survived that pain.So long as a regime has an enemy to blame their problems on.Their people will support them enough to keep going. Especially if outside forces bankroll them to keep the government forces paid.I read today that while cutting payouts to debt holders the junta has earmarked a massive increase in military spending.The people on our side there don’t have “years” to survive shelling,bombing,shooting of civilians and still exist.I feel about it the way this song does :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObGXrJR32oU
Kat Kan, I’m not querying the credibility of what you say, but where do you get your info from, is it in Ukrainian?
I think coupla months ago I suggested that commentators maybe could have an option to label their post….eg options of this is a :
reply with agree/supporting material, disagree/ absolutely unbelievable, please explain more/justify your reasoning , rant, more facts/links, reply with unrelated material…off the wall…..you get the idea/I don’t…..OMG….the world has ended/will end/will never be the same
…I note Russia Insider has started to do this sort of thing recently…in a limited way…!
re Kerry Nuland meeting Putin/Lavrov and the “wonderful” progress etc
opinion piece from Pravda clearly states its all pointless, as they go back to NATO who still wants to put the screws on Russia..wherever they can to set Rus up as a patsy…
“ATO foreign ministers warned President Vladimir Putin that he had almost no time left to transform the fragile peace agreement into long-lasting peace, reports AFP. Kerry said at a meeting of NATO foreign ministers in Turkey that it is a “critical moment for action by Russia and separatists to live up to the Minsk agreement” signed in the Belarus capital earlier this year.
Kerry also said that the United States and its NATO allies would keep sanctions against Russia in order to ensure peace in Ukraine. “And we hope very, very much that President Putin, Russia, the separatists, will come together to work with Ukraine in order to fully implement it (Minsk) and make progress,” said Kerry. Interestingly enough, US Secretary of State John Kerry did not say a word about Europe’s (France and Germany act as Minks-2 signatories) and USA’s responsibility.
Meanwhile, Ukrainian Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, in an interview with France 24, repeated it again, like a mantra, that Ukraine was a battlefield between Russia and the EU. “He (Putin) is not just fighting against Ukraine. He is fighting against you, against the Western world, he is fighting against the free world, he is fighting against the EU,” said Yatsenyuk.
Yatsenyuk noted that “free and fair” elections “in the separatist regions,” were impossible, as they would be carried out “under the barrel of the Russian gun.” Where is the prospect for a political development, which is the basis of the entire peace process?
The reaction of Ukrainian mass media is indicative as well. Ukrainian publications wrote that John Kerry, after the meeting in Sochi, “informed” Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko about his conversation with the Russian president. Poroshenko supposedly wanted to know what Kerry was doing in the “enemy camp.” Thus, there is no signal on the required pressure from Washington to Kiev in the implementation of the Minsk Accords. It was not a part of the USA’s plan at all.
The plan is different. As long as the Russian economy has not been destroyed under the pressure of sanctions, the USA wants to put Russia to its knees by laying the financial burden of the Donbass on Russian shoulders. The US wants to hold Russia responsible for the failure of Minsk-2 and make Russia pay for the restoration of the Donbass.
Also read: Who wants to take Donbass?
Ukraine does not mind that at all. An article by Igor Tyshkevich for the pro-American newspaper Hvilya is indicative at this point. The article titled “Great Deal for the Donbas and Reforms in Ukraine” says that Ukraine would not receive money for war, but it would receive money for economic recovery. Before that, the article says, Ukraine needs to get rid of the burden of the Donbass.
To achieve this, one must continue “talking” to the Donbass, the author advises. “That is, one must continue endless consultations, leaving all parties to the illusion of possible success. We must drag time not to hang the maintenance of the separatist regions on the thin neck of the budget.”
“It was not the Kiev authorities, but the people implementing Putin’s plan who were destroying the industry of the Donbass,” Tyshkevich wrote. Therefore, Ukraine, according to Tyshkevich, is free from financial liabilities and social costs to rebuild the destroyed infrastructure. In a nutshell, the Ukrainian and US administrations have developed a plan to talk the talk as far as the Minsk Accords are concerned. Both Ukraine and the USA believe that Putin will pay for the restoration of the Donbass, which still remains a legal territory of Ukraine.
There is another plan: to hold Russia responsible for violating the Minsk-2 and make Russia pay compensation for the results of the US-instigated coup.
And it’s already being done.”
– See more at: http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/18-05-2015/130623-usa_russia_ukraine_john_kerry_putin-0/#sthash.hxvTqWxm.dpuf
note USA NATO also stating recently they are increasingly alarmed re Russia ‘militarising” the Artic….note this is much much much easier for them and more tempting, to create trouble-problems for Russia-no oligarchs, militias, crazy Ukraine politicians, no fracking problems etc etc, so Kerry and Nuland show IMHO is a charade anyways, a feint, if you see what I mean…….
So long as the bullies continue with that type of talk.We will without a doubt end with war.With the end of the Western Empire of evil being the final result.The question is not “if”,but “when”.
And how pray tell will nuto and amoochika MAKE Russia pay? When Russia “annexed” Crimea what actual, serious repercussions other than the failed attack on the ruble and the ridiculous sanctions that are hurting the PU more than the target? A cesspool of rhetoric and nothing more.
This is Tuva…where RF DM Shogui comes from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZZWCekcTmM 1-35min.
Amazing place,from reindeer breeding in the Northern mountains to ‘Old Believers’ living the simple life.
Making hay in the spring and summer months,hunting and fishing in the Taiga in the fall and winter.
In the south essentially no difference between Tuvans and Mongols, how family members need a passport to legally visit family members.
Camel and horse breeding…brilliant soundtrack also,those interested in Shamanism and the cultures of Native North Americans will find this worth watching.
rated *****
Poor people. Depending on the “good will” of some ZIA outlet called OSCE, which will, as a rule, turn out to be bias & constructive towards the “final solution” for the Frankenstein antination, so-called Ukraine, that will never be abandoned by the zioscum.
This reminds me of the Serbs left to their own in Croatia. It’s the same scenario!
Once the ukrops get armed sufficiently to expel the DNR & LNR residents, they’ll do it (= Operation Storm in the neonazi Croatia).
Meanwhile, this shows that the people on this side of the front line are wearing down as well. Given they are suffering far more than the other side, they’ll lose their patience & their hope long before the zionazi regime in Kiev falls. That worked in Croatia & Bosnia against us, Serbs, as well as against Milosevic’s Serbia which lost Kosovo upon “agreements” with the “international community.”
I hope the Russian side sees the danger & comes up with a comprehensive plan to resolve the horrible circumstances these poor people are subjected to ASAP.
We have a saying that roughly translates to: Scoundrels don’t fear the God but a beating.
” Scoundrels don’t fear the God but a beating.”
That could be a universal saying.Its exactly the truth.Its been that way for thousands of years.I suspect it will be for thousands more.Its a mistake for us to ever forget that.