by GH Eliason
A few days before the 2016 election I contacted several publishers and told them they were on a list to be dealt with/ taken down after what was supposed to be a Clinton victory. This effort was against news sites and websites that spoke or wrote against current US policies that Clinton supported. As I was writing this Glen Greenwald’s great article came out specifically about propornot. That plays a small part in this.
Journalists that said or wrote anything damaging to the Clinton campaign or supported her opponents in any way were targeted. News sites and journalists that failed to criticize Vladimir Putin, or worse; they were sympathetic of this or that Russian or Syria policy at any time are on the lists.
The implication isn’t that Hillary Clinton had anything to do with this. She didn’t, at least not directly. We’re going to take a clear look at this, who is behind it, and why. The political stakes and stakeholders go far beyond the presidency. It was about setting the next 20 years of US policy, cabinet positions, and redefining what the United States of America is.
Long before this election, I became aware of an Inform & Influence Operation (IIO) against the American public. While researching this I came across a list of news sites that were going to be dealt with n following what was at the time thought to be an easy “Clinton victory.”
Before the election I told different publishers this was in the works and the goal was to discredit and destroy alternate media sources and silence dissent.
The Donald Trump victory slowed this down a little bit for the moment, but redoubled the effort going into it. Let’s look behind the Fake news of propornot that is the internet rage today. I’ve been keeping tabs on some of the players involved for over 1 1/2 years now.
Propornot is another incarnation of Stopfake or the Daily Dot. Both of these propaganda sites have been doing the same essential thing as propornot since the beginning of the 2014 Coup in Ukraine. In that sense there is nothing notable or remarkable about it. What is remarkable is the amount of press this crude website has generated and why.
The website itself is a compilation of working lists developed by different sources that now work in tandem. It’s been over 3 years in the making and propornot is just the latest side dish.
OpEdNews, Washingtonsblog, ZeroHedge, Consortium News, Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity, the Vineyard of the Saker, and Off Guardian are among many others listed publicly and privately to developed website hit lists. Propornot pulls its own lists from sites and contacts like these. The base model is the Ukrainian website “PeaceMaker” which gained fame in March 2015.
The people that wrote the Ukrainian information policy and developed the methods for the “Myrotvorets” or Peacemaker website did so with the sole goal of creating a clearinghouse for killing dissent and dissenters. Site’s like propornot are offspring from the 40,000+ people working on the projects. At the top of the heap the lists feed downward to feed activists workloads.
“Russian proxy sites are popping up and all the naive Americans posting their stories are easy to shut down. To counter, I just post a link to “Russian News And Russian Proxy News Sites” with a brief note and it usually stops. Education is a wonderful thing. There have been a ton of new websites started, probably just for this election, and I’ve simply recognized them as election propaganda sites. Not worthy for even this blog… The good news is I’m trying to gather listings for many of these sites and put them in some sort of a dump file for later. Let’s see who uses them after this election is done.”
Here is an example of their work in 2015. What exactly does “lets see who uses them mean?”
This is how open discussions have been in the past about damage done to a site, in this case Southfront.org
This is one example of how the lists are used from inside a conversation with the people that developed them. Jessikka Aro came to fame for her expose on Russian trolls like the publication above. She has since crowd funded over $30,000 to get the necessary hacking tools to fight them.
“The process of the private sector becoming offensive actors in cyberspace has already begun. Where this leads is uncertain, but it’s hard to imagine it being particularly positive.” Tobias Feakin is a senior analyst at ASPI
Using play for pay actors to harm journalists , activists, and publications is nothing new. One of the questions I have been asked repeatedly by publishers is “how could they damage me? We are a top 100 publication.” The answer is that the people that designed the methods cut their teeth taking down the largest independent alternative media news source in history. That was Indymedia.
They used an advanced form of what would later become known as “swatting.” What is swatting? Calling SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) to raid your home after trolling you online as a final form of harassment. Imagine after publishing a political article, being in bed and your door is suddenly smashed open. Heavily armed men come in screaming because they think you are a drug dealer or the new bin Laden. What if someone hacked and planted evidence supporting this on your computer?
For one of the world’s premier news websites at the time, they called the US government and Interpol. The servers were taken, the sites shut down. No crimes were prosecuted but the accusation was enough to take it down.
The people doing the work get paid by how much measurable damage they do. This is known as cyber privateering. The people and companies that get hired and paid based on the damage they do to the publication or journalist in question.
They work for different countries. Ukraine has over 40,000 volunteers across the globe as well as paid professionals like Weisburd and Harding attacking American alternative media websites.
Within one month of writing that the Weisburd/Harding inspired “Peacemaker” was a kill list, the first journalist targeted using Aaron Weisburd’s method was Olez Buzina.
“Weisburd doesn’t get paid to follow people. After stalking and collecting information his method hasn’t changed since the beginning. “Weisburd has not merely“dismantled” websites. He has harassed individuals engaged in perfectly legal online dissent, threatened their family members, harassed their employers, and harassed their web hosts. He regularly uses lies, disinformation and threats to accomplish these goals. Weisburd decides what is “threatening.”
Within a short time of writing how news websites were going to be hacked, the hacking started.
Who is paying for the new McCarthyism? It’s the same people that paid for the real fake news throughout the election cycle and were the strongest large group supporters of Hillary Clinton of course.
Let’s start with groups that are worried about deportation. Let’s talk about the Muslims. Before we do, I’ll remind you of my perspective on Muslims. It should be clear after writing “Tomi Lahren- It’s Not the Muslims Stupid!”
One of the largest Islamic groups in the US supporting Hillary Clinton are the Gulenites. The Gulenites are Islamic-fascists whose political roots are like every other group listed Waffen SS nationalists. They are so entwined in Congress right now that they were given a free pass while trying to commit a coup against a NATO partner. They are also one of the largest media operations in the world today. Gulen is also financially supportive of ISIS through the Muslim Brotherhood.
“On Oct. 6, Sabah, the main pro-government paper, came out with a front-page headline “Himmet paralari Clinton’a gitti,” which translates as “Religious donations [referring to Gulenists in this context] went to Clinton.”
“As a result, a majority of Turks in Turkey seem to support Trump, while a majority of Turks in the United States support Clinton, wrote Mahmut Ovur in Sabah. He added that the close relationship between Clinton and the Gulenists is not just of a financial nature, but like in Turkey, the Gulenists’ infiltration goes to “Clinton’s main arteries.”
Gülen believed that if Clinton was elected president, he would never be extradited to Turkey and that the pressure on President Erdogan would increase. Donald Trump has already made moves for his extradition back to Turkey.
According to retired Lt. General Michael Flynn“It is unconscionable to militate against Turkey, our NATO ally, as Washington is hoodwinked by this masked source of terror and instability nestled comfortably in our own backyard in Pennsylvania.”
The Albanians and Kosovars are just as nervous. Without Clinton in the presidency, foreign policy may allow a fair trial that hangs Clinton’s long time friend Kosovar president Hashim Thaci for crimes against humanity.
Hussam Ayloush, long-time head of CAIR‘s Los Angeles office, will help awaken the press to CAIR’s true Islamist identity. Ayloush wrote:
That second line is Arabic (“الشعب يريد إسقاط النظام”) for “The people wants to bring down the regime.”
In other words, Ayloush unambiguously and directly called for the overthrow of the U.S. government.
We can’t forget the Syrian American Council who, like Ahmed Chalabi won Iraq, will rule an Islamic State in Syria if ISIS wins against Assad. The brotherhood between the Syrian American Council and the Ukrainian American UCCA go back to WWII.
“Nobody believes in it. You’re like, ‘f*ck this,'” a former Green Beret says of America’s covert and clandestine programs to train and arm Syrian militias. “Everyone on the ground knows they are jihadis. No one on the ground believes in this mission or this effort, and they know they are just training the next generation of jihadis, so they are sabotaging it by saying, ‘f*ck it, who cares?'” “I don’t want to be responsible for Nusra guys saying they were trained by Americans,” the Green Beret added.
As you can see the two fascist entities have a long history together. This brings us back to Joel Harding and Aaron Weisburd that hate terrorism but support ISIS, especially in Ukraine. In June 2016 Joel Harding was commissioned with updating Ukraine’s information policy. At the same time, he tried to forward one to the US Congress. Given the fact you can be shot if you disagree with the Ukrainian government, I wonder what he turned over to the US.
“I need to give a brief bit of history before proceeding, about the Ministry of Information Policy
(abbreviated MIP). The MIP was founded on 2 December 2014. Shortly after I was contacted and I produced a “National Information Strategy for Ukraine” on their behalf. After various corrections, I submitted the last version on 2 January 2014. It was apparent, however, that their interest was in cyber only, which is only one of many aspects of ‘information operations’…were accompanied by a long-time friend of mine, Christina (I do not have permission to use her last name, yet, I am protecting her)…That, plus I have worked, quite literally, for years with Christina, to educate as many as possible of Russia’s treacherous nature and actions.”- Joel Harding
I’m going to come back to the phrase “cyber only.” Before going to Washington DC and meeting
Harding, the Rada members were obliged to stop in Albany, New York followed by a community meet-and-greet event at the Ukrainian-American Citizens Club, located in Watervliet, New York.
Accompanying the four national deputies was Krystyna V. Dobrovolska, a U.S. Embassy-assigned government liaison and translator who escorted the delegates from Kyiv during their visits to Albany and Washington. She is the Christina that Joel mentioned working with, and is an emigre nationalist from Canada. She among other things writes at NBC.
The Watervliet Ukrainian-American Citizen’s Club is owned by Nestor Paslawsky, the nephew of Mikola Lebed, OUNb leader. It was his family that they were there to meet. And it is his family’s influence as OUNb leaders that professor Moytl states Russian President Vladimir Putin needs to be afraid of. Consider the fact that they now control CEE (Central & Eastern European) countries. The CEE is composed of 18 emigre nations that are putting their resources behind Ukraine and the UCCA (OUNb).
“The second reason I mention Paslawsky is that he was, after all, a Ukrainian-American. In killing him—and make no mistake about it: Putin killed him—Putin has taken on, in addition to the entire world, the Ukrainian American diaspora. He probably thinks it’s a joke. But in killing a Ukrainian American, he’s made the war in Ukraine personal for Ukrainian Americans. Their intellectual, material, and political resources are far greater than Putin can imagine. Be forewarned, Vlad: diasporas have long memories. And this one will give you and your apologists in Russia and the West no rest.” Alexander Moytl
In other words, the OUNb and the Paslawsky’s will not rest until they have exhausted US resources in a hot war with Russia.
Andrij Dobriansky is a spokesman for the Ukrainian Congress Committee of America. It is an umbrella group for about a million Ukrainian-Americans, which is supposed to remain nonpartisan campaigned for Clinton because the OUNb (nazi-political ideology) of the UCCA was deathly afraid that Trump would force Ukraine to act like a civilized democratic country.
Someone should probably tell Weisburd and Harding that Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, wants to help ISIS militants take revenge against Russian forces in Syria “in accordance with Sharia law.”
In another statement from Gerashchenko, he recently threatened president-elect Donald Trump that he would put him on his “Peacemaker” site as a target. The same has been done with Silvio Berscaloni in the past.
This means they are attacking US citizens for a foreign government, their property, reputation, and income because they are journalists and publishers. Harding and Weisburd also currently work for a country that threatened an elected president. In March 2015, when the Verkhovna Rada passed a law in 2383 which made it legal for Ukraine to hunt down and eliminate anyone that disagreed with the regime across the entire world.
In March 2015, I wrote an article about the beginning of an invasion scale info war being prepared and what to expect in the US against journalists and publications. At the time, one of the people standing behind the people at propornot noted that this was the definition of Propaganda in use “The word is frequently used to describe any news emerging from one’s opponent.”
Going further he stated “As she said, and I am paraphrasing for my purposes, the vast majority of peaceful people are irrelevant… The “official US government view on free speech is “It is also important that US citizens enjoy their freedom of speech and their unique ability to voice their own opinions. This portrays a vibrant democracy and further aids to combat oppressive governments.”- “About this last paragraph, this is a source of frustration for me, personally. I believe this is, perhaps, an overly altruistic statement.
His reason is that free speech causes information fratricide. Free speech makes the IIO at best difficult and at worst impossible. To counter this a top-down disinformation charter needed to be established and “rival” media from Al-Jazeera, BBC, and beyond needed to get together and create a charter of what was acceptable behavior. Media organizations which practice conscious deception defined as propaganda were to be excluded from the community.
Today he is saying “We also must restrict fake news sites, fake news, and their spread on social media and elsewhere. Detractors will cite the first amendment, but the issue is national security, so preventing information designed to undermine our freedom more than justifies such a law.”
The above list of emigre organizations is far from complete. These articles link over 20 emigre groups that were stakeholders in foreign policy if Clinton won. They want to keep control of the old countries from America and decide who there is worthy of living. An overview of this history shows they have been belligerent and committed atrocity to the people they are supposed to represent.
Add to this the 187 Soros groups and you have a media frenzy out to destroy what should have been an easy election for them if it were not for alternative media stepping up and playing a role by reporting facts.
The onslaught journalism is facing won’t stop unless these groups are rooted out of Congress. They supply so much graft that when one group of congressmen came under investigation, the investigators had to let them go because they were guilty on another count. Look at the Gulen articles above.
This brings us to the 3rd part of the IIO which is still to come. Protest the inauguration if you must. It is your right, no caveat there. But be aware the same minds that killed so many in Kiev and across Syria are looking to start the same kind for upheaval in the USA.
Inside Soros 187 groups are groups that to find out about you need to look at documents that have a “Nazi war crime disclosure act” release attached to them.
One group called Common Cause is translated Spilna Sprava in Ukrainian. They pushed crowds into the police so the police thought they were being attacked and threw Molotov cocktails in Kiev.
These people are fighting for the survival of WWII Axis ideologies in America and if they win, America loses. People that support ISIS, Pravy Sektor, Al-Nusra, and pick your bad guy are crying foul the loudest right now. They are fighting to keep their influence and to be able to influence governments abroad. Just be aware of who is next to you.
Should they win and gain policy positions or keep their hold on Congress through gifts and graft, the publication you are reading this in will probably be shuttered. The amazing journalism of the last year won’t be allowed to happen again. It’s been labeled information fratricide and therefore propaganda.
Dear Saker,
Congratulations on making the list, no self-respecting informational website would want to be anywhere else. I have no doubt that the rest of us here are on a list of our own (hello NSA, you know where to find me). Where else would we be? If we can’t lead this thing and it goes off the rails, we are all in a gulag anyway. The fight is here, now. Later is too late.
This is the 21st century version of burning books. Once we allow our governments to decide for us what is true, we have achieve terminal velocity down the slippery slope. I came here after The Ukraine imploded, and I have been here every day since. It is your blend of pragmatism and morality which keeps me coming back, and the wonderful cast of characters which inhabit your Comments sections.
Keep chasing back the Shadows with your Light Dear Saker, you are not alone.
So, the fake news story is in itself fake news. It would be funny were it not so tragic.
Far more scary are the revelations of self-interested interference in foreign policy from émigré groups, those willing tools of Empire who are the real ‘useful idiots’.
Oh! what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive!
The Jews/Zionists hoaxed a good part of the last two thousand years of history. These hoaxes need to be upheld at any cost, otherwise this current cycle of civilization will implode instantly. To keep the hoaxes going, the Jews/Zionists need
– total money printing monopoly
– total polit-monopoly
– total media monopoly
– total education monopoly
– total science monopoly
– total arts & culture monopoly (literature, movies, music, theater…)
All of the above has been achieved centuries ago. The NWO has been in place for a long, long time. We all were schooled in NWO programming institutions, this is why we are so blind and so slow to understand.
The golden age of the internet has provided us with a window of opportunity to deconstruct all hoaxes past and present and to shed light on the true history of humanity. Just in a few years, we independent researchers worldwide, have achieved so much in this regard.
No wonder, are the parasites scared. Their latest hoax, the ‘fake news’ scare, proves it. What a bunch of big-mouthed, cowardly idiots!
So nice of them to compile a reading list for me free of charge.
Having a catholic upbringing I remember this thing called the Index Librorum Prohibitorium; this was a list of wicked books by atheists and protestants which we were forbidden to read. Thankfully this list was finally abolished in 1966. But it seems that our Wahhabist media wants to go back to the middle ages and persecute the infidels (infidels: Anyone who actively or passively does not toe the establishment line).
I used to take the list to the library and look at the books I was not allowed to read.
Same thing with the Legion of Decency list of forbidden films. Loved to see those.
I guess I learned to think for myself using the template of the forbidden.
Wiesburd identifies as (((aweisburd))) – a cypher indicating Jewish tribal membership.
Very interesting article.
But a bit confusing to follow, because often it is unclear to me who is speaking: the author, or someone being quoted, or a second person being quoted by the one being quoted, etc.
Katherine
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Thank you Katherine for bringing it to our attention. I have reread the article, but I did not have the same experience. The author uses a somewhat different style when calling out quotations, and if any other readers experience the same problem, I recommend reading it more slowly without skimming or speeding.
Thank you for reading and contributing to The Vineyard of the Saker.
I also found it less than clear and coherent; I grant that each sentence can be diagrammed and analyzed, and I’m not afraid of work–but holy cow, there MUST be an easier way to make the point that information warfare has been going on for awhile, and which groups are active in its expression!
I concur. We all tend to read quickly and some better punctuation or editing could avoid ambiguous or confusing parts.
I also have learned to re-read more slowly when I get lost.
This is a very important piece and has lots of good information, nearly all of it detailed and new to me.
When General Flynn designs the cyberwar against ISIS I believe he will also go after these operations. He will have to.
This is a good bit of information for him and his staff to thoroughly explore, target and destroy.
This information is in no way new, it was bradcasted in this blog at least almost two years ago by a commenter when the “at that time community” started to feel suspictions about things they were finding strange or, better, “cognitively dissonant” in the alt-media.
In any case, what is new is that “now” this information has been elevated to the front page and included in an article signed by autorship:
Read, or reread this thread:
/charles-bausmans-courageous-stance-against-a-us-propagandist/
But, especially and more concretely this comment, and from this comment onwards:
/charles-bausmans-courageous-stance-against-a-us-propagandist/comment-page-1/#comment-221846
It is more than a bit confusing it is totally incoherent. There was one tid bit of information that convinced me that it was totally wrong — this was the bit about CAIR.
In March 015 we had a French list quite similar to the actual American one which we called “infâme liste noire”. The French Saker was present on this list. (“Le Saker Francophone a l’honneur d’apparaître sur cette liste.”)
http://lesakerfrancophone.fr/alerteles-loups-sont-encore-dans-paris
with a song from the dark period of the “occupation” when list of names were given to the nazis.
The whole list is given at the end of the post (http://lesakerfrancophone.fr/wp-admin/listeinfame.php)
Article: “These people are fighting for the survival of WWII Axis ideologies in America and if they win, America loses. People that support ISIS, Pravy Sektor, Al-Nusra, and pick your bad guy are crying foul the loudest right now. They are fighting to keep their influence and to be able to influence governments abroad. Just be aware of who is next to you.”
I would say that the above’s been happening since 1945, not just all of a sudden within the last several years. The timeline could even be extended much further into the past. Ground Zero in the battle against such forces within the Outlaw US Empire is in North Dakota; outside, it’s in Syraq. I hear James Bond is defecting to Russia since his #1 goal has always been to fight those bent on world domination. Wonder if Jack Ryan has the moral balls to join him.
Interesting, in that whole long article filled with numerous connections and facts, that huge pale blue elephant occupying the whole centre of the room was completely ignored, while the flies hoovering about the creature were described in great detail. Here is some material describing that seemingly invisible elephant.
Seven Jewish Americans
Control Most US Media
http://rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm
“”Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited
Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.
Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. “Si” Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers.”
I coul d add that Michael Eisner could depart Disney tomorrow but the company will remain in the hands of Shamrock Holdings, whose principal office is now located in Israel”.
An extensive update of these controlling interests:
These 6 Corporations Control 90% Of The Media In America
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6
And some pale blue elephant talk of this out of “goy” earshot.
Six Jewish Companies Control 96% of the World’s Media
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=830_1380022877
“The power of lies, deceptions and disinformation as Americans pay the
price of collective stupidity.
“You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we
control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You
see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a
position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they
(Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we
control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…”
That pale blue elephant isn’t so invisible after all, is it.
One could be forgiven for confusing these with the ‘Semybankirschina’ (Seven-banker cabal) of Russia which was also all-Jewish. Interesting that ‘7’ is a Kabbalistic mystical number.
The Talmudo-Satanists, like other pscyhotics and psychopaths, always leave a ‘tell’.
Don’t forget Univision. The largest Spanish-language television network in the world, it is definitely geared to Latino-Americans. Univision is owned by Hillary Clinton puppet master Haim Saban.
The US really messed up the world with its placement of neo-Nazis in power in Ukraine. This Regime is a real danger to all of humanity. This article points out their worldwide terror against anyone who speaks up to this horrid regime. They even call for killing people overseas who speak up. They target any website that criticizes this monster regime and attempt to destroy it by any means possible. If they “win”, then all of humanity loses. The US’s other friends – nusra, isis and other wahabbis are using the same tactics. US ruled Ukraine is no different than US Isis is its actions and its effect on the world.
They are going to shut up all these sites? When? All at the same time or what?
May I understand that only there was danger if Hillary Clinton would have won?
But The Donald have won, and so, why is that the danger would remain?
Is this Harding going to follow acting on behalf of himself, independent of Flynn´s command or he, as an Us patriot fighting anti- American activities, will put himself to the service of the new commander?
Or else, Flynn´s, who is going to “saniticize” the Intelligence community as a whole will send for looking for him and finish the issue?
Then you have that many of these sites not only do not broadcast all the time what is considered by this Harding “Russian propaganda”, but many even have ceased to publish it time ago and mainly publish what I would call “American propaganda”.
An IIO much more sophisticated would seem to me infiltrate a site which enjoy or have attracted a crowd of reflexive pro-Russian commentariat in order to take that commentariat abandoning its task by “site-swatting” in the form of occupying, bullying, ennuing, deception and disgust.
I do not know about other sites on that list, but for what this site is concerned the “people who are fighting for the survival of WWII Axis ideologies”, at least in the US, Canada, Australia, Germany, Sweden and some LatinAmerican countries, have long ago taken over of the comments section and I do not discard also other sections of the blog. Because, people who are fighting for the survival of WWII Axis ideologies are located most and in great number in those countries where they were flighted to and allowed to remain and make their colonies and stay-behind networks.
May I remind here that not all the nazis are in the side of Clinton, that there are a lot supporting Trump?
So, I do not know what is the aim of this article, since, from my point of view, people like The Saker, Paul Craig Roberts, Alex Jones and all who have supported intenselly the Trump presidency, I fear they have nothing left to fear, on the contrary, I will auspice them a life full of success, at least during the next four years.
Then, when the policy towards Russia is finally determined, we will see, what is published in these sites.
From my point of view the people who are really in danger and most probably have been black listed are the few antifascists who could have populated these blogs, some of them having provided very personal data to people who then became what did not seem at the beginning, and so, I interpret this article as a warning to those people.
We have heard it! It´s time ago that we are warned of trying not become a statue…
I hear what you are saying Anon,
But what would you ask us to do? My name was put on a list 13 years ago when I became active to protest against the Iraq war. I have not been shy, I have used words like “enemy” to describe my government and yours. The lists exist, what does not yet are the conditions that would activate these lists. The only way I can avoid being black bagged and disappeared is to prevent my country from slipping into Fascism. First thing day one is they round up all the potential leaders and intellectuals, and bury them in deep pits. My only hope is to prevent all this from happening.
The primary lesson I learnt from reading 1984 is all associations are a risk, that if you want to truly oppose the Empire you need to do it alone, in secret. The Empire is not worried about me, they know where I am, what I am doing and how to shut me up. What scares the Empire is the opponents it doesn’t know. Al Qaeda have worked this out, hence the rise of the Lone Wolf.
I stand with you all before the Darkness, for this is our fight. If we lose, a different group of people will pick up our fallen swords. Lets hope we never have to let the Wolves into the Vineyard.
The main concern of the compiler of these lists is to justify their own existence.
They need funds for their lifestyles.
The lists don’t represent any organized political resistance – certainly not globally.
Nor will organized groups – certainly not armed – use the net to post their intentions, assuming such groups even exist.
The real purpose of osyops is to taint growing awareness with ‘subversion’ or ‘sedition’ – ‘enemies-of-the-state.’
But the cat is out of the bag – globalism is the enemy. More and more people, even Americans, realize that.
More and more know the purpose of media is to brainwash and propagandize on behalf of arms manufacturers, energy cartels and the banking system, which effectively sets the global corporate agenda.
So these lists are largely ineffective, except as attempts by the Joel Hardibgs of the world to maintain relevance.
Too many people know of ‘false-flags’ – it’s no longer in the realm if tin-foil hattery. In fact, it’s now the first assumption people make.
The information war has been lost – as soon as the EU resolution was passed, the author, Anna Fotyga, became known: she was even cited on the popular American comments site, Disqus. Much to my amazement – since when did Americans ever pay attention to the EU?
The days of faceless bureaucrats, shadowy backers, unknown politicians, think-tankers are over. The net is spawning a worldwide ‘intelligence community’ dedicated to exposing the reality of the world we live in.
So such lists are something of an anachronism, a throwback to the days when people thought MSM was trustworthy, or at least independent.
Awareness is the genie that can’t be stuffed back in the bottle.
I think that these lists are more attempts at fomenting fear in order to keep people in line and silent.
While some caution is worthwhile, if such a list is allowed to succeed in silencing dissent then there is no hope for us.
Freedom of thought is like a muscle, it must be exercised or it atrophies.
@Helen
Agree.
And that’s where they basically fail – being so obvious in intent.
The biggest error made with this list is to cover so many bases – a range of sites that have completely different content and style. What does the Drudge Report have in common with The Saker? Nothing – other than a common distrust of MSM.
When a site like The Federalist Papers is placed in the same category as ZeroHedge, you have laugh: it’s as if they came up with the cheapest algorithm – quantity over quality – they could get.
Once upon a time the black ops brigade could use infiltrators and bought editors to promote a desired narrative. Now it’s money down the drain – the MSM is toast as far as influence goes. Even the BBC is distrusted and former successful ‘opposition’ herders like the Guardian are despised. ‘Damage-limitation’ is now the objective – in the case of the BBC site, shutting down comments completely. The NYT is no longer trusted, and the Washington Post is regarded as a vehicle for Bezoz, not a serious source if info.
Nowhere is that loss of influence more clearly demonstrated than the result of the US election.
PropOrNot have made the mistake of believing what is successful in Ukieland – at least as far as implementing regime-change – will work anywhere, using the net as the vehicle.
The general reaction to the list has been derision, along with other initiatives like ‘hate speech’ and anti-Russian ‘propaganda’ EU resolutions.
The controlling couldn’t be more obvious and more ineffectual.
The truth is elites are not succeeding in the usual ‘divide and conquer’ ploys – much less deflecting attention away from inequality – the root cause of widespread discontent.
It’s yet to crystallize into a coherent paradigm change, but the seeds are there.
Their biggest problem is how to regain control over the net, without killing its usefulness.
Re caution: that is certainly an issue for the victims of targetted countries like the Ukraine, where hired killers can be used with equanimity.
It’s not a feasible option elsewhere. They would have to bring back concentration camps.
Where caution should be exercised, is in the realm of analysis. Some commenters here and elsewhere are unusually insightful and may inadvertently stumble on real plans/agendas.
But humans can act – so stay schtum or dissemble if you think you are ‘onto something.’ Remind yourself that intuition is only speculation until after the fact.
Let the algorithms ‘work it out’ – if they can.
I read Sibel Edmond’s and John Corbett’s articles on The Intercept a while ago, and I’m very confused. Is Newsbud classed as MSM here? Is support for the US coup in the Ukraine endorsed? I’m seriously trying to avoid fake news.
Secrets for Sale?: The Greenwald/Omidyar/NSA connection
Corbett • 01/09/2014
and
Pando Exposé: Glenn Greenwald’s Boss, Billionaire Omidyar, Co-Funded Ukraine Revolution Groups with US Government
Sibel Edmonds | March 1, 2014
http://www.newsbud.com/2014/03/01/pando-expose-glenn-greenwalds-boss-billionaire-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government/
Yves Smith of Naked Capitalism, one of the sites accused of disseminating ‘Russian propaganda’, is coordinating with others to challenge the WaPo smear, probably via an anti-defamation suit:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/11/were-under-attack.html
Like Catherine said, this article is extremely poorly written – and hard to understand. O.K. we can understand the person who wrote it probably was not brought up speaking English as his Mother’s Tongue…
But some of what he wrote I completely agree with – some of his analyses..but some of it like Gulen/Jews/Common/Purpose/Anglo/Saxons/Puritans/Satanists was only scratching the surface
Some of these people are Really EVIL..they are seriously not nice…
But some of it – I personally thought was Complete Crap.
But this is not my website.
It is The Saker’s
It is his website..
He can publish anything he likes…No one has to agree with it – or even think that I might be a Russian Spy…but I too would like a Russian Passport – though I realise I am not in your Guys class..I don’t even have a website.
I just thought this was so funny..(and my Son does Run an ISP – I do not make stuff up – well I might exaggerate a bit on occasion just for artistic effect – but basically most of it is true)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45940.htm
“Dear President Putin”
Valdimir Putin
President of Russia
Moscow
November 29, 2016 “Information Clearing House” –
Dear President Putin,
Now that CIA agent Craig Timberg posing as a Washington Post reporter has blown my cover and exposed me as a Russian agent, I was wondering if I might ask you for a Russian passport and a bit of diplomatic cover, perhaps assistant press officer at the Russian embassy in Washington, until I can get out of the country. I saw that you gave a passport to Steven Seagal, so I am hopeful that being a Russian agent is as important as teaching martial arts to Russians.
I don’t know what the pay scale for Russian agents is, but whatever I have coming to me please deposit in a Russian bank. The Swiss banks are no longer useful as the Swiss government allowed Washington to write its banking laws. Perhaps also you could line me up with a publisher for my memoirs—“My Life As A Putin Stooge.”
We need to get on with this ASAP as the Washington Post has the FBI on my tail. They will be very angry at me for deceiving them all those years when I held top secret and higher security clearances while I was a Russian agent. Any day now the Washington Post might discover that my fellow KGB agent Ronald Reagan and I cut taxes on the rich in order to make capitalism so oppressive that the American people would rise up and overthrow it. Boy did we fool the left-wing!
I regret that the Washington Post got wise to me being a Russian agent, but it wasn’t my fault. I think the leak came from one of those Atlanticist Integrationists you are stuck with in your government. Better check up on it as 200 of the Russian financed websites have already been exposed.
Better have someone bring me the passport and diplomatic appointment. I would be nabbed by TSA if I fly to Washington to collect the documents. A diplomatic appointment is better than asylum, because Washington, like the old Soviet Union, doesn’t recognize political asylum. Just ask Julian Assange.
Don’t let the Atlanticist Integrationists convince you that my exposure as a Russian agent is just a CIA ruse to plant an agent on you. My criticism of Washington’s policy of raising tensions between nuclear powers and support of your policy of reducing tensions is not spy cover. I really do prefer that the world not be blown up in thermo-nuclear war. This is a suspect view in the US, but I hope it is an acceptable one in Russia.
Looking forward to that passport.
Paul Craig Roberts”
Tony
fyi The Empire’s Last Gasp – by John Helmer
http://johnhelmer.net/?p=16851#more-16851
Anglo American journalism chokes on its own digital model
Means method and opportunity
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Treacherous-Congress-Quiet-by-Donn-Marten-Alternative_Alternative-Media_Congress_Propornot-161201-98.html
As a Finn and a son of WW2 war veteran i have been amazed how fast and ruthlessly mainstream pro western propaganda machine has underestimated collective memory of Finnish people. The campaign itself has been farce and wonderful target for many Finns to mock, joke and ridicule it. Jessika Aro herself is ex-drug addict and example what “being American and stupid” could personally bring her as price. Poor blonde had no idea how well most of Finns understand our geopolitical situation. It’s obvious that pro Nato lobby in Finland (mostly mainstream media pundits and painfully ignorant fools) is becoming aware that “hot blonde chick” herself is burden for agenda.
There are few vital things Finns know (or should know):
1) Finland has been, is and will always been buffer of Russia
2) Independent neutral Finland favors Russia. That situation secures Finland too.
3) Finland should never become basement of anti-Russia military big power
4) European Nato is paper tiger as Finnish military expert Col Ltn Jyri Raitasalo has mentioned
http://warontherocks.com/2015/07/nato-is-not-a-real-military-actor/
5) USA won’t defend Nato-Finland, it might need it as “Barbarossa” allie.
6) Nato-Finland is just bloody wet dream of people with no idea of thousand year history of Finland as Russia’s neighboring country
7) If you don’t want to learn mistakes of history you’ll be doomed to face them in future.
8) Majority of Finns are clever enough to block this pathetic madness run by pro Nato fools.