Since the death of Vitaly Churkin I see more and more speculations that Russian diplomats are being killed (example here and here) This is exceedingly unlikely and I consider these speculations to be based on ignorance and a form of “clickbaiting”. Here is why:
- So four senior Russian diplomats have died in one month. Considering how many diplomats Russia has worldwide, this hardly a tsunami.
- They died in Ankara (murder), Athens (natural causes), New Delhi (disease) and New York (heart attack). There is no pattern, no modus operandi, no common link between these men and their deaths.
- During the Cold War the US and Soviets had an understanding that they would not attack each other’s personnel simply because any such attack would trigger an immediate retaliation which both sides wanted to avoid. There is absolutely nothing suggesting that this has changed.
- Killing diplomats is useless. They don’t really take decisions but their symbolic value is immense. Thus the benefit for murdering them is zero and the cost potentially a nuclear war.
- Russia is not the Palestinian Authority which had to ask for a French expertise to establish the real cause of death of Yassir Arafat. If anybody hard murdered Russian diplomats the Russians would inevitably find out who did it and why and the retaliation would be terrible (all, repeat, all the Takfiri Chechen leaders have by now been killed by the Russians, as have been the units who killed the Russian pilot in Syria as have been the key Takfiri leaders in Aleppo).
Coincidences do happen and not everything is the result of a conspiracy. In this case, there is exactly zero evidence of a plot by anybody to murder Russian diplomats and spreading rumors about that is unhelpful and distracting from the important issues.
The Saker
UPDATE: okay, I am not coming across, so let me try something different: call two authorities to my rescue. First, Carl Sagan who used to say that “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence“. In this case, the claim is absolutely extraordinary: the murder of a senior diplomat is basically an act of war. As for the evidence, at this time of writing it is exactly ZERO. Nothing. Ziltch. Nihil. My next expert authority is William of Occam who wrote “Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem” which meaning can be roughly rendered as “the simplest explanation is the best”. For example, while it is definitely *possible* that Russian diplomats have been murdered, it is far more likely that they simply died. Of course, I cannot prove a negative. But at this point in time I repeat that this line of speculation is based on absolutely nothing, that there is no evidence at all while the the claim is truly extraordinary. To simple speculate on the basis of a statistically irrelevant sample and arrive far reaching hypotheses is simply not “analysis”. At best, this is idle gossip. Frankly, I am kind of shocked and even disappointed that so many seem to miss the total lack of evidentiary support, nevermind any “proof”, for this hypothesis.
A subject that is considered for assassination is normally studied for a while. His/her habits, routine, weaknesses, strengths, age, family situation…every detail is collected and filed. Then all this data is processed together (sometime through some computer algo) and different scenarios are extracted for evaluation; if subject is a smoker, he might be poisoned with a burst of radiation that can result in lungs cancer. If subject is old, he can be beamed by some frequencies that can produce an immediate, or slow heart failure, etc, etc… There are thousands of poisons and millions of ways to deliver them. None of it can be investigated.
People still remember the remarks of Michael Morell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ3fTFHQ0KA) and creepy “uncle” Joe Biden (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmRCAY249ws). You shouldn’t be too harsh to those who’re speculating if there’s more going on behind the scenes.
is it true/confirmed Russian embassador in Dehli, India alos died yesterday?
That woujld be 4 in 3 months, looks like a pattern to me (of confirmed) or at the very least they shall all go under strict medical check
Date — Jan 26…
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201701261050018780-russia-ambassador-india-death/
Russian Ambassador to India Kadakin Dies From Illness at Age 67 – Embassy
© Sputnik/ Evgeny Pahomov
Asia & Pacific
09:56 26.01.2017(updated 14:52 26.01.2017)
Relative to other country’s ambassadors, this is an “Extraordinary coincidence”. Plus the crashed tupolov (sp) that gutted the Red Army choir. The cause of that crash was supposed to be known by now. & Putin’s driver.
Plus the fact that the US war regime is currently run by evil and stupid people who have made explicit threats about Russian deaths and consequences at diplomatic events. Exhibit A being Michael Morell the psychopath going to the US press and saying he was wanting to scare Russia and Putin by sending a message.
Plus the fact that *we* have no evidence does not mean there is no evidence. Putin always strikes back when suits him.
tl;dr – it is right to doubt, be cautious, and we can not assert; but that is as far as Sagan and Occam’s razor gets us in this case, the possibility is still there and in the current context of world affairs,
“Plus the crashed tupolov (sp) that gutted the Red Army choir. The cause of that crash was supposed to be known by now. & Putin’s driver.”
Is there anything in Russian news on the cause or are there reporters and journalists even wondering about the cause and interviewing people? Why so quiet on the investigation into the cause of that crash?
We should recognise that there is a war going on – a war on Russia. These killings are acts of war, or collateral damage….
Mailman on February 23, 2017 · at 2:42 am UTC wrote:
“What is very confusing to me is why The Saker, whose analytical mind I have great respect for, has so quickly taken such a staunch stand against the possibility of these deaths being more that coincidence, even to the point of referencing the humbug Sagan.”
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Indeed. The vehemence with which Saker rejects the notion that it may very well have been an assassination seems puzzling. Or not so puzzling. Definitely the arguments he gives are extraordinarily weak. People can be professionaly eliminated without leaving any trace of authorship, and killing highly symbolic figures is far from being useless, as Saker claims. I think the intensity with which he rejects the possibility of assasination (which is clear to everyone) has to do with a sense of impotence in the face of outrages that cannot be answered. Because in order to answer it you need to know who is responsible, and that may be impossible. Without knowing who did it, you are condemned to flailing around blindly in a rage. So from this perspective, it makes sense to try to convince yourselfe and people around you that this could not possibly be an assassination.
Judging by the nature of the comments here, it looks like the arguments given in this post have not met with a lot of success.
I think you are right. Character assassination rarely leads to immediate death (physically). I believe the relief of not having to face odious accusations could cause a heart attack. IMO this is most likely.
There have been calls to start killing Russians, by ‘experts’ live on TV the famous threat from Joe Biden to send a message to Putin.
The four dead ambassadors were in key battle positions, so the conspiracy theory can be valid.
As for the lack of evidence, it is impossible for Russia to come across and declare that they were murdered as it must come with a retaliation.
And this is what uncle Sam would love to have.
The same way Russia hasn’t reacted to the Christmas gift Obama sent to the Russian diplomatic mission in the US, they will not be able to react this time if the ambassadors were really murdered.
Russia pays back in an asymmetric way so we will never know. At least not for now. he hope that it will get better with Trump are almost gone.
Andrey Melanin, 55, head of consular department in Athens, has been found dead at his flat in Athens, Greece, ostensibly – of natural causes.
This is yet another high profile incident of the death of a Russian official abroad, following the Assassination of Andrei Karlov in Turkey on live television by an Islamic extremist, and the recent death of Ambassador Churkin in the USA. This now brings the death total of Russian officials serving in foreign capacity to 5, all within a 3 month period.
“The four dead ambassadors were in key battle positions…”
Now, it is four ambassadors and a counsul…
Who’s next?
To be honest, it would be a shock of America and its allies were *not* behind the deaths of these Russian diplomats.
The United States has a long and proud tradition of political murder, Israeli-style targetted assassinations, and, shall we say, “assisted suicides.”
Hell, the USA has openly admitted to attempting numerous assassinations of Fidel Castro during the Cold War.
This is not to mention other American terror campaigns like Operation Gladio, the Phoenix Program, or the backing of pro-USA death squads in El Salvador, Guatemala, Angola, Chile, Columbia, Nicaragua, etc.
And of course there is that minor little American false flag terror attack called 9-11.
American State Terrorism–it’s more American than baseball or apple pie!
The U.S.A. — a Terrorist State
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc11.htm
Uncle Sam’s Support for Terrorism Laid Bare
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/05/27/uncle-sams-support-for-terrorism-laid-bare.html
CIA Support of Death Squads
http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads1.htm
Of course it is possible he was assassinated — we’ll see what evidence is found and released. But it wouldn’t necessarily be the US, although a likely candidate: it could be Ukraine, UK, Israel, Saudi, or some other state, sub-state, or organization.
I always wondered while for US it is easy to overthrow regimes across ocean but not to the leader of tiny island Cuba next to it, Fidel Castro, I read Castro maybe Jewish after all.
Excellent, needed, comment!
I have to agree with the majority here that this string of ‘coincidences’ does indeed warrant healthy skepticism…
Also I agree with many here who have pointed out the value of Churkin…I certainly do think that this is a very big blow to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs…there can be no doubt…
Conversely then…this would appear a very big ‘win’ for those who oppose Russia and Russian diplomacy…certainly not ‘useless’ as the Сокол posits…
My question is… just how doable is an undetectable murder by heart attack…?
Well…not being in any way trained in the medical arts…I can only point to what info is readily available…
Fact Number One…it was revealed in the Church Committee Hearings in 1975 that the CIA had developed a way to induce a heart attack that could not be identified as foul play…
Here is a video of actual Committee hearings where Committee Chairman Sen. Frank Church is holding up a gun and asking CIA Director William Colby questions about it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT5bMld564c
The ‘Heart Attack Gun’ [modified Colt 1911] apparently works by using a dart that is made of ice which is designed to melt before the victim can be examined…the active ingredient [poison] being contained inside that frozen dart…
The whistleblower on the video is former CIA employee Mary Embree…an article in the UK Express from last year has some details…
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/644439/CIA-heart-attack-gun-Mary-Embree-Frank-Church-William-Colby
‘…Colby also reveals the toxin would not appear in an autopsy – so there would be “no way of perceiving that the target was hit”…’
And we can further learn what kind of ‘poison’ this might be…according to this article it is not very difficult at all to induce a heart attack that would leave no traces whatsoever…’by using chemical substances that break down as naturally occurring compounds that would be normally found in anyone’s body…’
http://rense.com/general67/govb.htm
One of the chemical substances is potassium…which is harmless in low doses [bananas have lots]…but lethal in high doses…[it’s the ingredient in lethal injection which causes the heart to stop]…
http://www.livestrong.com/article/458431-potassium-chloride-heart-attacks/
Another is Calcium Gluconate…this explanation from a clinical pharmacist…
https://jamesjmurray.blog/2016/06/29/conspiracy-theory-heart-attacks/
Again…I have no idea how realistic such scenarios might be…but surely these types of things would be well known to forensic pathologists…
Also interesting is the death of VVP’s chauffeur which was caught on tape…according to this article a former MI6 agent by the name of Richard Tomlinson…told reporters that he had seen documents in 1992 discussing a plot to assassinate former Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic by means of a ‘staged car accident…’
‘…where the driver would be blinded by a flash of light and remote controlled brake failure enacted to cause the crash…’
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/08/07/assassinations-by-induced-heart-attack-and-cancer/
The above from a Veteran’s Today article back in 2010…
The question I have…and which we surely cannot answer…is what evidence…if any…Russian officials have been able to collect on all of these incidents…and probably others that have not been mentioned here…
I’m sure they have vast resources and expertise to uncover even the smallest clue or trace…and I’m also sure that whatever they have found out…again if anything…they will keep entirely secret…
You are of course, perfectly correct. There is no evidence linking any of the deaths, and apart from the obvious murders, nothing presented as foul play.
Arguably random, natural/unnatural, attrition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIyN4QS6NQ8
However. In this same moment, and coincidental to the cluster of forensically unconnected high profile Russian deaths, is the pale CIA ghoul Morrell stating very publicly, he would ‘go for people around the leadership of Syria and Russia and Iran, and kill them.’
We live in the time of great myth, being truth. It is the professional calling of thousands of ‘operatives’ within the war system as it exists right now, to ‘create’ myth as truth. P2OG. False flag creationism. GLADIO. Professional LIARS and media mass-delusion. 1984.
The 911 atrocity has ALL forensics pointing directly to sophisticated controlled demolitions and the overall operation, a complex false flag attack yet, the myth – the religion- of “alQaeda/GWOT/gravity induced “collapse” is carried on relentlessly. Is fought for tooth and nail in ‘public’ media forum and by all members of the authority system determined to protect the OCT narrative. So a dichotomy exists. Public consciousness is brutalized – traumatized into ‘Learned helplessness.’ The exact purpose of it. And, dare any of us go on through that 911 ‘myth-as-truth’ door, to the thought-crime 6million myth before it ? where ALL forensics establish a grotesque and impossible creationist myth – lest the sayer be smashed against the wall for even CONSIDERING those facts ?
The ‘truth’ of the matter under discussion will be determined by the control systems around geopolitical need. If these are ‘natural’ deaths, they happen to coincide with the call for them to occur, and that will benefit some within the deeper war systems who will play advantage of any unproven and unlikely connections.
True or not, If the notion benefits the super state, it will be promulgated.
Please stop the capitals – its screaming. Mod
o. ok…..I thought..more like saying something loudly, but. ok.
Whilst true that there is no evidence of a plot, it can’t be denied that the Deep State in America have been ruffling the feathers of Russia in Ukraine, Syria and elsewhere. They are deliberately intimidating the Russians hoping they can start a war. Are you so convinced this isn’t their plan? Maybe they want to leave a trail and hope Putin swallows the bait. Thus far, Putin has been the ultimate strategist in ignoring western provocation as far as direct conflict is concerned. He should be praised for that. But how much will he take? The western/zionist elites are desperate as we see the end of the petrodollar and an economic collapse not seen since the fall of the Roman Empire. They are capable of anything.
This is unrelated to Churkin’s demise, and I do not mean to threadjack, but I would just like to note that it is due in no small measure to the Saker and this blog that my mind and heart were set back on the right path. The straight and narrow path of faith, that is. I do not pretend to know the design of the Creator, not do I arrogate to myself any prominence in whatever inscrutable system that may be, but during this time (I discovered the Saker in 2015), my wife and I have been blessed with the child we have long wanted. This in my incurable solipsism I choose to interpret as a signal to carry on. Therefore I will carry on reading the Saker, and I will carry on down the path of the reawakened Christian individualist, and I will carry on the quest of attempting to shed what little light I am able as a footsoldier in the battle against wickedness. Thank you and God bless you.
There is no official evidence about 9/11 being comitted by US government and secret services, but every sane person admits it was an inside job. Similar case are these murders of russian diplomats. Those murders were official anounced in advanced by the US filth in DC. They have the motives, the means and reasons to kill Russians on all fronts no matter who it is. Russia is the enemy nr. 1 for US and Great Britain. They wouldn’t hesitate to even murder Mr. Putin if they had a good oportunity to do that. This is the art of diplomacy of western “democratic” world .
“There is no official evidence about 9/11 being comitted by US government and secret services”
If the power controlling the evidence/investigation is itself the culprit, it makes sense there will be no investigation therefore you can’t find the evidence.
Good video on the subject:
https://youtu.be/LKICpwLbcCg
according to it, it was a murder carried out by the CIA.
It makes me wonder which motives motivate Saker to rule out and downplay such possibilities.
Do the Maths:
Deep State War? Russian Officials Keep Dying Unexpectedly
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-27/deep-state-war-russian-officials-keep-dying-unexpectedly
It seems highly unlikely and improbable to write off that six Russian officials would die in under 60 days in such an influx in various different mysterious ways without a catalyst. And let’s not forget RT founder and former Putin aide Mikhail Lesin was found dead in 2015 from a blunt weapon that was originally blamed on a heart attack so assassination can’t be taken off the table and ruled out in any of these cases. Turkey and Russia already accused NATO of a false flag attack killing Karlov the Russian-Turkish Ambassador. NATO also had a dead diplomat Yves Chandelon mysteriously die of a gunshot wound to the head in his car a week before the death of Karlov. Chandelon was the Chief Auditor in charge Of Counterterrorism funding.
Saker, I respect your up dated view! But in the real world, there are no coincidences ! There are accidents, two or three from the same country, where as none from NATO nations. True it is speculation, but to dismiss the patterns is foolhardy ! At best your presumptions are circumstantial. Evidence is not evidence unless it is conclusive, you will agree? Besides in the spook sphere, scores are settled underworld, an innocous accident, a drowning maybe somether incident !
http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/02/analyst-cia-killed-russian-ambassadors.html
Analyst: CIA killed Russian Ambassadors [Video]
February 27th, 2017 – Fort Russ News –
by Inessa Sinchougova
[…]
The intention, according to Piakin, is to remove individuals who stand for the Minsk agreement, so that it can no longer realistically be implemented. The Minsk Agreement (a ceasefire, followed by elections and self-determination in Eastern Ukraine) is counterproductive to the elites’ work.
[…]
video (in Russian, Inessa provides embedded subtitles)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKICpwLbcCg&feature=youtu.be
I have to disagree.. there were more dead high ranking Russian officials in last 2 years… not only diplomats, but also secret service officers died in both USA and Russia by highly suspicious dead.. Not to mention of the Russian airliners taken down in Egypt an black sea. Neocons are culminating they attack on provoking Putin to something irresponsible – they know hi is not easily provoked so they rise the stakes!
People, on this day and age, especially since 911, more and more things have been clear to me, that is, nothing by accident happens without the plot of the globalists anywhere in the world. They have been doing it even before but in the dark and they were not visible unti they started global war in lraq. Remember, Obama had issued “kill list”. You can’t ask for proof of death while you are within enemy lines. However, such killings and declaration to kill should be considered a crime by the UN while the individual is not engaged in war but at world events. Consider this, there would be no difference if CIA/MI6/Mossad agent shoots at a diplomat who is at the UN conference event on broad day light.
I agree that it is unlikely. However, there is the caveat that the current open revolt among the “intelligence apparatchiks” in the US against any possible rapprochement with the Russian Federation, does make for a small possibility that the very worst among this class of people may have been involved. Their hope would be that assassination would foreclose any chance of accommodation.
There are long standing ways of “heart attack” assassinating people. Henrich Mueller mentioned it extensively in the Heinrich Mueller journals. Message or warning to Russia would be my guess….or provocation…..a Mossad specialty.
Gestapo Chief : The 1948 Interrogation of Heinrich Muller
“Taken directly from top Secret transcripts made in 1948, Mller’s private files and from material hidden for fifty years in US intelligence archives, this book gives a brutally frank look into the intelligence agencies of both Allied and Axis powers. From the viewpoint of many, the reproduction of a trans-Atlantic secret telephone conversation between Churchill and Roosevelt on November 26, 1941, in which the imminent attack on Pearl Harbor is discussed, is the high point of the book.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/deep-state-war-seven-russian-officials-murdered-or-found-dead-since-us-election-day/5577279
This site even confirms their assassination with no question mark.
This is an uncharacteristically embarrassing piece from a man who should know better. First of all, there is a recognizable pattern. Second, this serves a purpose–scaring all individual Russian diplomats into compliance (“we have a license to kill,” the CIA implies, “and your government will not protect you). Third, in Cold War I the Deep State exercised some restraint, but in Cold War II they are going for broke. Fourth, the CIA knows that Putin is timid, and that he would be reluctant to act. Fifth, speaking about evidence: The Central Institute of Assassination is made up of professionals and they know how to kill without leaving any trace. The only evidence is the pattern, and that by itself raises the probability of conspiracy in this case to over 90%. More details are available here: http://www.greanvillepost.com/2016/10/03/encyclopedia-of-domestic-assassinations/
Sir,
Given the evidence that we do have over the last 60+ years, it is woefully easy to relax into a state where any seemingly inexplicable treacherous coincidence is a function of one faction of the CIA or another. This might, in fact be a secondary and desired public facade on their part, i.e., being the immediate cause of covert violence, so perceptively steeped in identification this these activities, they are. Similarly, more attributable to the older USSR style, anything happening within Russia was a KGB or NKVD mediated change.
Perhaps due to an overexposure to reality or the paranoid cynicism that comes with understanding just how brutal parts of the formerly assumed normal world are, people will see ghosts of operations that may not exist. This drives paranoid conspiracy fascinations, fills story holes some think need explanations in excess of the apparent, and provides a macabre romantic image illusion for the various services… one they may encourage and one the story fabricators use for their own purposes.
Occasionally, this becomes highly entertaining – but only if you have a rather off-from-centre sense of humour.
Cheers,
Doug