Andrew Korybko left a link to his latest Turkish analysis in our comments section. I have copied the article in full here. I communicated with Saker and it was decided that the article should be published under commenter’s corner for greater reader exposure. Original link http://katehon.com/article/post-coup-turkey-will-be-distinctly-eurasian
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by Andrew Korybko
The aftermath of the failed US-directed and Gulen-inspired coup attempt is already making itself clear, with Prime Minister Yildirim stating that Turkey might reinstate the death penalty to deal with the plotters. This statement is just as symbolic as it is substantial, since not only does it disprove allegations that Erdogan “planned this” himself for some Machiavellian purpose, but it also indicates that Turkey has decided to shun the West. The EU is strictly against the death penalty and would immediately halt the decades-long drawn-out accession negotiations with Turkey as a result.
Erdogan correctly calculated that the EU wants nothing to do with his country and that Turkey is unable to milk extra benefits from the bloc after the Brexit referendum, so he recalibrated his state’s foreign policy to align with the multipolar world instead. This saw the recent news of Turkey belatedly declaring Al Nusra a terrorist organization and opening up secret reconciliation talks with Syria, despite still repeating the “face saving” refrain of “Assad must go”. Furthermore, Turkey is part of Russia’s nascent coalition of regional powers opposed to the US’ daring attempt to militantly carve out the “second geopolitical Israel” of “Kurdistan”. Not only that, but Turkey are Russia are also back on track for reimplementing the Balkan Stream megaproject, which when paired with China’s complementary Balkan Silk Road high-speed rail project from Budapest to Piraeus, is perhaps the most ambitious multipolar outreach to Europe that has ever been attempted.
The US stands to lose many of its strategic gains in the past decade if any of these multipolar counteroffensives succeed, let alone all of them, which is why it desperately masterminded this last-ditch attempt to safeguard its unipolar hegemony. Try as it might, though, it was patently obvious what the US was doing, and even Syria’s close Iranian ally – which many might otherwise think would have a relative interest in Erdogan’s downfall – voiced its support for Turkey’s “brave defense of democracy” via a tweet by Foreign Minister Zarif. Despite this statement being somewhat of an oxymoron, it proves that the Syrian government’s most active on-the-ground ally understands the greater interests at play here and is thus standing behind Erdogan (however shocking this might seem to many) because of the bigger picture that was just elaborated on above.
As a closing forecast, it’s very likely that Turkey will accelerate its multipolar pivot and finally embrace its Eurasian destiny, though not without forthcoming American-improvised Hybrid War challenges – a renewed Kurdish insurgency, left-wing terrorism, a Color Revolution, Daesh attacks, maritime proxy hostility via Greece, engineered provocations with Turkey’s other neighbors, a civil war, and/or another feeble coup attempt — in order to throw the progressively Islamifying and Muslim Brotherhood-inspired state into such chaos that it becomes impossible for its new multipolar partners to make any substantial use of its territory in their joint quest to dismantle the unipolar world order.
Turkey Detains Several Incirlik Air Base Servicemen on Coup Attempt Links
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160716/1043132331/turkey-arrest-base.html
“Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said Saturday that several servicemen at Incirlik Air Base were detained on coup attempt links in a result of the ongoing special operation.
Cavusoglu told Reuters that Turkey would continue its fight against the outlawed in Russia and numerous other countries terrorist organization Daesh as soon as the operation at the base is over.”
This further reinforces the desperate and amateur american (read: zionazi) connection to the coup.
This analysis makes a lot of sense to me. I see Erdogan’s “success” as a “good” thing (at least temporarily) for the multi-polar World. Similar to the old saying about the USSR’s politics,”an enigma wrapped in a riddle”,I see all politics in that light. Erdogan’s Turkey is “good” for Russia,only if it is opposed to the West. And the coup, and more importantly,its aftermath.Looks to head that way. Not that Erdogan is a “friend” of Russia’s.And certainly not that he suddenly has become a “good guy”. He’s still the murderous thug he always was. And even more so today.But just as the saying goes about you can’t always,”pick your enemies”.The other side of that is you can’t always pick your friends.Russia and Erdogan’s Turkey may privately hate each other. But they can “get along” if they are threatened by someone far more of a danger to both of them.If Andrew is correct (hopefully) Erdogan with turn from being the US’s puppet now. And at least be neutral ,if not friendly with Russia.He really hasn’t got much of a choice.He should see that the US wants him gone.And will dump him at any chance they get. As long as Russia (and China) have no real illusions they can “trust” him. They will be able to use the threat the US poses to him as leverage to get him to side more with them.We’ll see,its way to early to see how this will play out.But they just need to realize the “leopard didn’t chance his spots”. He just might have decided to cover them for a while.
Thank you Saker. When I want to know Qui Bono in the middle east, your site is my first stop. Your re-blog of Andrew Korybko’s article is a timely case in point.
Interesting write up.
It sounds like Turkey is now back to the position they were before the zionazis decided to run their “Arab spring” coups. When Turkey backed the zionazi proxy war against Libya, I was surprised, since I had taken the the recent Turkish opposition to Israeli war criminality to mean they were breaking with that soul destroying cesspit and were leaning away from the zio-west and moving towards the Eurasian alliance. Obviously, the Turks thought they would do better joining the zionazi klub.
I’m wondering what caused the reverse yet again this year? Failure of the zionazi war against Syria? Realization the zionazis would have never shared east Med resources with Turkey and would have taken the lot and broken up Turkey anyways? They finally realised a zionazified Europe establishment would never let a Muslim country partake of the spoils of the eu branch of the zpc/nwo world domination project?
What to look for now is how Turkish foreign policy changes, this will probably say more about what is going on in the Turkish regime than any other indicator.
OT somewhat, but perhaps not taking the long view.
Trump Doctrine: Work with Russia, Draw Back NATO, Stop Arming Syrian Rebels
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160716/1043135284/trump-syria-nato-daesh-putin.html
We all know what zionazi quisling clinton is supposed to do once selected, but trump has been something of a mystery. Maybe a little less of a mystery now. He sounds more like a berlesconi now. A pos, to be sure, but a pos who can still be reasoned with. By this I mean the faction of the zpc/nwo fronting him being less psychopathic than the freakshow pushing clinton.
true story some humor (but no Hillarity) about BoJo:
Boris Johnson has described how he was mistaken for Donald Trump during a trip to New York, describing it as “one of the worst moments”.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03580/BoJo-and-Donald_3580642b.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson/12200562/Boris-Johnson-I-was-mistaken-for-Donald-Trump.html
BTW, I am surprised that no one in the West attribute this coup to ….. drum roll please….
IT’S PUTIN!
Don’t worry they will try that. In Ukraine they are already saying that.
While I discount much of this article as being too reliant upon the disinfo put out in the western zio-gay media, what the author says about the coup being faked I think is right on.
Claims Emerge that Erdogan Faked his own Coup in order to Wield More Power
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160716/1043138797/erdogan-fake-coup-theater-power.html
I’ve heard that too. But I doubt it. Though being an “opportunist” it looks like he intends to use it to destroy all his opponents. He has arrested at least 6,000 as of now,and counting. I expect this to end in a massive bloodbath. His surviving the coup may be an at least temporary good think for Russia (if it pushes Turkey back from supporting the US). But also lets not overlook that he’s still the monster he always was. And I figure he’s about to show it even more in the next few months.
@ Uncle B:
Thanks for being the voice of reason around these quaters. You and others like Mark Sleboda (to name just one) – [BTW here’s the latest CrossTalk]
Bullhorns on the coup
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/351796-turkey-military-coup-attempt/
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Because I’m getting seriously pissed at Turk apologists and/or trolls doing their rounds on the comment sections on the – as I keep saying: “so-called” alternative media.
Meanwhile… believe it or not, the average Joe, is far more on-the-money than posters on the “alternative media.”
How that happened?!?
Only five (ok, ok… let’s call it seven, just to be on the safe side) years ago, it was the other way around.
As I’ve said before: we’re living in strange times…
-TL2Q
But couldn’t a faked fake coup be part of color-revolution toolkit?
2nd story, now 3rd, Sat 16th in an hour looking like Erdo has agreed to vacate Iraq & Syria entirely.
Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:7
Turkish Army Orders Troops Stationed in Iraq to Withdraw Immediately
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950426000557
TEHRAN (FNA)- Turkey’s army has ordered the country’s troops stationed in neighboring Iraq to withdraw immediately from that country and return to garrisons in Turkey, media reports said.
The Turkish army’s decision came in the wake of the failed military coup in Turkey, the Arabic-language media outlets reported.
The Turkish army had sent hundreds of its troops to a military base in Northern Iraq on the pretext of training Kurdish forces to fight the ISIL terrorist group.
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950426001269
TEHRAN (FNA)- The Turkish government closed a strategic border crossing with Syria’s Northwestern province of Idlib on Saturday.
Bab al-Hawa border crossing overlooking Idlib province in Syria was closed by the Turkish government.
The Arabic-language Halab al-Youm news channel reported that the main reason for closing the border crossing was the failed coup in Turkey.
Bab al-Hawa is one of the main routes which link the terrorists in Idlib and Aleppo to each other.
Now I begin to understand a little more.
It is interesting the compare the comments of Andrew Korybko
“The US stands to lose many of its strategic gains in the past decade if any of these multipolar counteroffensives succeed, let alone all of them, which is why it desperately masterminded this last-ditch attempt to safeguard its unipolar hegemony.”
with this of observation by the BBC
https://twitter.com/DanielCollins85/status/754086608589258757
“Extraordinary claim that “US doesn’t support coups” goes unchallenged on BBC. CIA has backed many a coup.”
Military Coup Defeated By The People
July 16, 2016
By Gilad Atzmon
Many of my friends do not like Erdogan and his regime. Some of my Turkish peers who are artists and intellectuals see the Erdogan regime as dictatorial. They complain that their elementary rights have been compromised. I understand their plight. Many of my western colleagues who comment on Turkey also do not like Erdogan. They criticize Erdogan’s approach to Syria and Asad, and they do not like Erdogan’s aggression toward Russia or his dealings with Israel.
Yet, despite the general condemnation of Erdogan within intellectual and artistic circles, the Turkish president is extremely popular in Turkey. Earlier today, the Turkish people heeded their President’s webcam call to take to the streets and defeat a well-orchestrated military coup.
This spectacular development demands our attention.
What is it about the Turks? These heroic Turks who just defeated an army with their bare hands, are they exemplars of Adorno’s description of Authoritarian Personality ? (Defined as a state of mind characterized by absolute obedience to authority.) Is it appropriate to follow Adorno’s Jewish supremacist attitude toward popular movements? Or is it possible that the masses who yesterday saved Turkey see their government and their president as a continuation of their true selves? Maybe Erdogan personifies their Ottoman heritage and helps liberate the Turks from the pseudo western identity imposed on them by (some insist Jewish) Kamal Ataturk a century ago. Is it possible that Erdogan allowed the Turks to return to their status as a proud nation? Turkey has transformed from a source of cheap labour at the outskirts of Europe into a regional superpower. It is now a key player although it suffers from some serious problems.
Chomsky doesn’t approve of Turkey’s transition into a great power. Soros doesn’t like it that Turkey has become a key player. The Israel lobby also doesn’t like Erdogan. I think it is crucial to ask, why?
I am not a fan of Adorno, I guess I consider him a charlatan, a soros-level opportunist . If it was Walther Benjamin I would respect his opinion. (Moderator — feel free if you consider this comment frivoluous)
seems Langley overreached itself this time.
However, I for one, don’t think its a coincidence that the main coup plotter was once stationed in Tela-Viv as a military attache :
http://www.timesofisrael.com/alleged-coup-leader-was-military-attache-to-israel/
The rapprochement with Russia was seen as unacceptable to the real criminals prosecuting the war in Syria and they therefore decided to act against Erdogan.
I have a feeling that this will not be the end of the matter. They will simply go back to the drawing board and do some modification to ensure that their next attempt to discard Erdogan is successful.
That, & Mr Ed also one of the chosen ones spouting off about Turkey.
I wonder how much he’d consider their ties harmed if Erdo cuts off power to all the other encamped nato bases there.
Washington has censured Turkey’s claim of US involvement in the failed coup attempt in the country as utterly false and harmful to bilateral ties.
US Secretary of State John Kerry addressed his Turkish counterpart, Mevlut Cavosoglu, in a statement on Saturday, warning Ankara that public statements hinting American role in the failed coup attempt would harm bilateral ties.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/16/475523/US-blasts-Turkey-claim-of-US-role-in-coup
This coup reminds me of the CIA’s failed attempt to overthrow Fidel Castro with the Bay of Pigs fiasco in 1961.
It does seem that Allen Dulles’s rogue agency cannot be controlled by anyone at the highest levels of the federal government in Washington, DC.
The militarists are firmly in control of American foreign policy, no one is safe including Donald Trump should he be elected President of the United States.
Turkish Officials Block Access to Air Base that Houses US Tactical Nukes
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043141353/turkey-washington-kerry-erdogan-nukes.html
“Turkish officials are preventing access to and from the air base until they complete “anti-coup” operations effectively leaving America’s nuclear arsenal in the hands of the same Erdogan regime that just accused Washington of masterminding the coup.
Movement in and out of the Incirlik airbase in southern Turkey was blocked on Saturday by local military authorities, a distressing sign for the future of NATO which stores US tactical nuclear weapons at the base.
The presence of the US nuclear weapons arsenal in Incirlik Air Base was further complicated on Saturday when Turkish Labor Minister Süleyman Soylu alleged that the United States was behind the failed coup attempt.
“The US is behind the coup attempt. A few journals that are published there [in the US] have been conducting activities for several months. For many months we have sent requests to the US concerning Fethullah Gulen. The US must extradite him,” said Soylu.”
It would be very interesting to see America’s reaction if Turkey seized those US nuclear missiles at Incirlik.
That would be a major crisis with potential nuclear showdown between the USA and the newly minted Turkish nuclear state.
MSM mouthpieces are ignoring or downplaying accusations from the Turks that Washington was behind the coup plotters.
I dont believe they are fooling anyone though, least of all the Turks themselves.
Their reluctance to confront these ”accusations”,speak not only to their wholly compromised position as media outlets, but also to Washinton’s complicity.
The Turks are tough. They are quite capable of facing down the US on their home soil. The Incirlik situation is an enthralling one to watch develop.
I don’t think this was Erdogan’s false flag – he had no reason to do this, he’s already very popular in Turkey and has sufficient control of the country. And especially now as he turns to embrace more level-headed partners such as Russia and China, he doesn’t need to act the wild man.
He will benefit from this – I think his mind has been full for years of how to put down a coup, and whom to purge immediately afterwards. A coup has been just one of many eventualities in his calculating politician’s mind, and one has been likely for months – especially now as he turns to the East.
No one out here likes Erdogan, but I think we will come to feel grateful that he is so tyrannical as the US launches more moves against him, as Andrew Korybko suggests will happen. Oddly, I find myself greatly pleased to think of Turkey aligning with the multi-polar world, and being the object of US and Israeli displeasure. I have complete faith in the strength of the Turk character and of the state to resist all this.
The wave of Zionist hate will break on the rock of Turkey and come to nothing. Turkey will make a great gateway to Asia, and a prime energy broker to Europe, as well as a formidable military bulwark against NATO fantasies.
This comment aligns with my gut feeling when I saw the way Erdogan dealt with Charlie Rose:
He did *not* let Rose jerk him about in the typical Rose fashion and sent a very clear message that Erdogan would not accept the USA framing of the world situation or Turkey’s situation and would not take marching orders from Washington.
When I watched a documentary of Ataturk that showed how he and the Turkish people muscled their country into being a country after WWI, I was filled with admiration for these people. They do have guts. They are tough. The women, too. From that film and other sources it appears that the Greeks and the Armenians were poised each to grab chunks of (what became)Turkey (but were still districts of the disintegrating Ottoman Empire).
So, my initial reaction to Erd was: Yay! Finally someone to stands up to this smug poppinjay Rose.
The Russia (pipeline) situ, the Syria situ, the refugee situ, have created so much confusion and sent up such dust clouds. Plenty not to like with the Islamist Erdogan. It is funny that the USA is hell bent on destroying secular ME states and replacing them with religioiusly governed states, but when it comes to Turkey, suddenly Islamism becomes “bad.”
I sure wouldn’t want to be one of the arrested, in Turkey.
But as for the right to due process of any kind, the USA has forfeited its standing to say anything. Not that our “statesmen” will not bleat away anyhow. Playing the “grownup” in the room.
Anyhow, maybe Grieved is right and “tyrannical” Erd. is the guy who can keep the country together and manage a “pivot” to Eurasia. And pry the USA out of the ME?
The Incirlik situation is indeed the subplot to watch, seems to me.
Katherine
I have to give it to The Saker. I have read news from different sites on the internet about the Turkey coup and so far the news and comments that make the most sense are on this site. Keep the good work Saker.
At this special occasion Sorcha Faal had two amazingly interesting articles, “simply the facts” from a source in the know – recommended reading:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2073.htm and … 2074.htm
bp
One of our overseers supervising:
Defiant cat wins over internet during attempted coup in Turkey
https://www.rt.com/viral/351658-turkey-coup-cat-photo/
Found this to be a very interesting interview:
‘Astonishing NATO nations did not come to aid of Erdogan govt’
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/351644-nato-nations-aid-erdogan/
“It is surprising that the reaction of the NATO member states to a coup attempt in Turkey was rather modest, Afshin Rattansi, an RT contributor and the host of RT’s Going Underground said, adding that some years ago they would have rushed to aid their ally.
RT:This coup has given Erdogan a perfect chance to tighten his grip on alleged enemies within the army. What could this lead to?
Afshin Rattansi: Yes, very worrying to hear. But possible reintroduction of the death penalty and thousands are being arrested. We have got to remember that the CIA backed the coup in 1980, 36 years ago – half a million people were arrested. We can’t be sure whether it is going to be that number this time round. It’s interesting that the Prime Minister so quickly blamed the Gulen movement. Now, who is this movement? The cleric lives in the US. Well, that is the movement that reportedly funds the Hillary Clinton campaign. Certainly there will be people in Ankara not wishing for a Clinton presidency anytime soon given that so many supporters right now are being arrested. There are ties here that show how complex the events of the past 12 hours are.
RT:How would it impact relations with the EU? Would the union now discuss the membership of a country that is weighing bringing back the death penalty?
AR: As we hear in London during the referendum debate, it was repeatedly told to the British people that there is no chance whatsoever Turkish accession to the EU – that was before the referendum. So Britain does not really have a say in that today. But I think obviously critical to the whole situation in the past few hours is the Incirlik Air Base. Turkey is a NATO country. Astonishing that just a couple of years ago we would have expected NATO nations to have come to the aid of the Erdogan government, which was elected in November. This time? Nothing.
Also astonishing is John Kerry in Moscow looking to evaluate the situation, not [offering] immediate support for this linchpin of NATO supremacy, as they see it in terms of world security – this critical country in terms of their domination of the Middle East. Well, the reason why they are not going to be joining the EU any time soon is the flip-flopping of Erdogan.
He went from being a hero of the Arab world, when he championed the cause of Palestinians, [then] suddenly he switched to being – along with Britain and the US – pro-the overthrow of the secular government of Syria and supporting de facto ISIS/ISIL/DAESH and al-Qaeda linked groups.
RT:As you said, Turkey is an ally of the US in the region. But today it is saying it doesn’t want to be friends with country that allegedly protects its enemy, Fethullah Gulen, who has actually denied being a part of this plot. The man is in self-imposed exile in America. Can Ankara afford such aggressive rhetoric against Washington?
AR: We know very well in this country [the UK] that one intelligence side doesn’t know what the other is doing – when I’m thinking of MI5 and MI6. So it has to be noted that while Erdogan has been supporting Anglo-American policy in destabilizing Syria, just in the past few days, and I think that is what a lot of analysts and observers have noted, sudden rapprochement with Russia – Turkey shot down a Russian aircraft, there have been very frosty relation between the two countries – just in the past few days sudden rapprochement; rapprochements with China and then revelations of back channels with President Assad himself – the man that Britain and the US have been trying to overthrow now for five or six years. Coincidence that suddenly there is a coup; maybe there are forces within the US that were expecting this.
It is no surprise that there would be great instability in Turkey. It is not just Erdogan’s foreign policies, it is the brutal economic policies he has. But let’s not forget: Ever since this CIA-backed coup of 1980, the economic policies of Turkey have been determined by big multinationals, by big powerful forces to the detriment of millions of working-class Turks.
RT:Is Erdogan capable of getting complete control over all of the military in the country? There is huge discontent in the military, isn’t there?
AR: In NATO nations, militaries just as in Britain, as in Turkey, are not controlled by sovereign governments after all – it is up to NATO command, which is answerable to Washington as to what the military does, which is why in the initial reports of the military coup attempt one wondered immediately by the American connections to these military forces in the US, which is presumably what the President Erdogan is alluding to as regards the future relations between Ankara and Washington.”
The zionazi colonies not rushing to defend an ally in need. What does that say?
kerry seems to bit over his head, but that is not unusual. I wonder about the future of our US ‘super state’.
I agree with the analysis.
The reaction of NATO in general and the US in particular, as the coup initially unfolded spoke volumes.
The nonchalant way in which they greeted the news about the coup indicated that:
1. they definately had prior knowledge of it
2. They approved of it.
With the coup now an embarrassing failure, their reaction to Erdogan’s emerging victorious is also telling:
1. None have denounced the coup attempt
2. All have tried to sidestep questions about Washington’s complicity
3. All is telling Erdogan to go easy on the coup plotters
Erdogan is a slimy, double-crossing bastard – just ask Assad, Tehran and the Kremlin if you dont believe me- but you have to grudgingly tip your hat to him on this occasion for besting the Langley coup makers .
The Empire is seething at the developments.
The question is what dirty tricks will they resort to next.
Turkey is much too vital a country for the Empire to allow to go rogue so we must therefore expect numerous intrigues and machinations as the Empire strikes back…….
Re: “He went from being a hero of the Arab world, w”
The Turks are not Arabs.
The Arab revolt of the post=WWI era (cf. Lawrence of Arabia) was *against* the Turks and the domination of the Turkish empire.
AFAIK, Arabs have no love of Turks and vice versa.
It is the Turkish claim of being the flag bearer of the Islam and the Islamic world totally riles the Arabs, especially, the fundamentalists of Arabia, the Wahhabists.
I saw one early comment from Washington, some GOP pol, to the effect that the “our military and the TUrkish military have very strong connections.” The implication was that if the coup succeeded …. no problemo!!!
Regarding NATO coming to Erdogan’s aid, I seem to recall that the dog that didn’t bark was also seen as a relevant clue in the Russian shoot-down imbroglio.
Katherine
… just as everybody EU and US, e.g. Brzezinsky, was silent and content with the Smolensk mass murder of Kaczynski et al. Tusk, one of those who made it happen, got rewarded twice for his silent help: first the Karlspreis immediately afterwards from “Merkel”s hand and with a laudatio from her ruby lips, and then the job as EU-fuehrer, also from her.
According to Sorcha Faal, the Russkies detected the upcoming putsch in October 2015 already.
bp
Excellent analysis on the aftermath of failed ‘coup’ in Turkey.
It will be a very promising future for multipolar world resistance movement if Andrew’s wish, stated as ” it’s very likely that Turkey will accelerate its multipolar pivot and finally embrace its Eurasian destiny ” come true.
almost 4 months (late March) after they evacuated many hundreds of their own from Turkey!
The US State Department has cautioned American citizens against travel to Turkey in the wake of a coup attempt that left at least 265 dead.
“In light of the July 15 coup attempt and its aftermath, we suggest US citizens reconsider travel to Turkey at this time,” the department said in a statement.
It also warned of “increased threats from terrorist groups throughout Turkey” and urged citizens to particularly “avoid travel to southeastern Turkey.”
Sun Jul 17, 2016 3:48AM
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/17/475543/US-travel-warning-Turkey
Regardless of who instigated the coup, Erdogan has one avenue of progress and development—Eurasia. Who he deals with (China, Russia, Iran, India, Japan) his destiny is to exploit his natural constituency in the the region of the Turkic language. It is vast, like Eurasia, a major tongue and culturally connected. He won’t be able to build an Ottoman Empire but he can be a major player.
The US has signaled with this coup that they would try to take him down. Now they will have to take him out. Maybe his intelligence service and police saved him. Maybe loyalists in the military saved him. But he can be taken out.
His best move would be to smooth things with the US while working as a nexus for gas pipelines and to project power through trade, and influence through tourism. For those to happen, he needs tranquility and deals with US, Russia, Syria and the Kurds. He has a lot of work to do as diplomat. He can’t do that will being dictator and destabilizing his own nation.
This coup reminds me of the coup against Chavez which also was overcome by popular support of the masses and his reinstatement as Leader.
Turkey needs a big ally for protection. Russia is patient.
Ha!
The whole thing was cooked up by Erdogan, to suppress the opposition and consolidate his dictatorial powers.
Erdogan is a good Muslim.
“The EU is strictly against the death penalty and would immediately halt the decades-long drawn-out accession negotiations with Turkey as a result.”
Haha, that’s a bit rich (to put it mildly) as Western imperialism’s only legacy is true evil in the quite tangible sense of permanent, premeditated death and destruction worldwide. Doesn’t impress Erdogan one bit. His contempt of the Eurocrats is well-founded, especially with regard to the zio-gay clowns in Greece.
Apparently, there is a rumour that there could be a coup in USUkraine (the US/Uk colony – although less Uk now) says Rada deputy Lutsenko on his Facebook page.
‘Preparation for a military coup is underway in Kiev over the course of which the Maidanite oligarchs will clear out their recent allies from the so-called “Revolution of Dignity.”’ – http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/euromaidan-hero-provocations-and.html
Who are the ‘strategic seven’?
Thanks for this timely comments. I would like to share my thoughts: the way coup was organized and performed its seems to me that it was never designed to succeed. Those “coup leadets” never made any statements about future of the country, they were low key persons and may be were used “blindly”. The real goal of the coup managers in my opinion was two fold: first, to make Erdogan scared that next coup attempt will be better plsnned and thus keep him at bay. Second, most important is to unleash repressions against military- for the country that wages civil war it will have devastating effect because moral of military (fron top down to solgier) will be low and create chaos in command if most of generals and mid-level officers are fired / jailed/ prosecuted otherwise.
Beneficiary of the coup: those who want to carve Kurdish State out of Turkey/ Syria territory.
Thus, failed coup is not so failed.
Well put.
I have very mixed feeling about these developments. The coup resembles the Maidan, where the initial popular will to stop the pillage of the country by oligarchs was perverted into a much-more-of-the-same outcome. It is worse than ever in Ukraine now.
Whoever tried to putsch, performed the coup lousy with little chance of success. I got the feeling that success was not intended, not seriously at least. Therefore, the most burning question remains to track down the true motivation of the perpetrators.
If the elected Turkish government would respond to the coup within the framework of democracy and constitutional state, I would feel fairly relaxed because a false flag action could be ruled out almost certainly. Fair trials in front of independent judges are perfectly capable of dealing with coup plotters.
But as it looks now, Erdogan will pervert the outcome – in good parts achieved by broad popular support – to his own egoistic aims. I think that these aims have little to nothing in common with the well-being of the common people in Turkey. If history tells a lesson, it tells that an excessive concentration of power ends badly for the large majority of people in the ruled regions. Therefore, I can’t help but worry for the Turkish people.
In that sense, good luck Turkey.
https://m.youtube.com/results?search_query=kurdish+mp
Yeah, those dispicable kurds and the brave turks?
Right?
slash and burn, if the US cant have Turkey, nobody can ..
Now see what STRATFOR is saying about coup in Turkey:
Broken Trust: How a Failed Coup Weakens Turkey
July 16, 2016 | 19:10 GMT
It will take the Turkish military years to recover from the failed putsch.
Analysis
The coup attempt that saw the Turkish state plunged into crisis has come at precisely the wrong time for Ankara. Just over the border in Iraq and Syria, critical challenges are mounting, as Turkey is drawn deeper into the fight to contain the Islamic State. Internally, Turkey is combating its own domestic Kurdish militant movement, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK). Because the coup emerged from within certain divisions of the military, the government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP) must now engage in heavy purges of the armed forces. This will make it difficult for Ankara to use the military as an instrument of policy and national strategy. The coup has been put down, but the aftershocks could hamstring Turkey for a long time to come.
A notable minority of the Turkish military leadership supported the coup. Although the plot had been in the works for some time, the conspirators were pushed to act rapidly when they became aware of an impending crackdown during the Aug. 1 military rotation, which would have resulted in some conspirators forced into retirement. Among the plotters were factions from three separate Turkish armies: the 1st Army, the 2nd Army and the 3rd Army. The plot also extended to a number of Turkish Air Force units. On July 15, the coup planners mobilized aviation and armor units in a coordinated surprise operation while President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was vacationing in the southwestern city of Bodrum.
When Erdogan finally managed to make it to Istanbul by airplane, he went on television and alleged the coup plot leaders were affiliated with the Gulenist movement, led by exiled opposition leader Fethullah Gulen. Gulen issued a statement denying this and condemning the coup, but that will not stop Erdogan from purging the military of Gulenist remnants. Many of the coup leaders reportedly have ties to the Gulenist movement, including the former Chief of Staff of the Air Force Akin Ozturk, Colonel Muharrem Kose, and Ozturk’s son-in-law, Halkan Karakus, a helicopter pilot. In addition to over 2,800 soldiers, the Turkish government has arrested high-ranking active duty officers. Now in detention are 2nd Army commander Gen. Adem Huduti and the 2nd Army executive officer and Malatya Garrison Commander Avni Angun and 3rd Army commander Erdal Ozturk.
Erdogan and his supporters have long been paranoid about a potential military coup — Turkey has had four since 1960. The president will now implement a swift and forceful crackdown, which could easily escalate into an outright purge. Any member of the Turkish armed forces with even a tangential link to the Gulenist movement may face arrest.
This has happened before. The aftermath of the Ergenekon anti-government plot and “Operation Sledgehammer,” an alleged plan by factions within the Turkish military against the Justice and Development Party (AKP) dating back to 2003, led to just such a crackdown. The government arrested almost 400 military personnel, including retired officers. The detainees then faced prosecution for plotting a coup. Although the vast majority were eventually acquitted, years of trials and mistrust eroded the Turkish military’s confidence and weakened its combat effectiveness.
The upcoming crackdown following the July 15 coup will further erode the military’s capabilities. It will erode morale and lessen fighting cohesion. The arrest and imprisonment of combat leaders as well as quartermaster and military logistics administrators will increase disorganization and cause confusion among the ranks. Training schedules will be thrown into disarray as routine exercises are postponed or canceled. Mistrust will spread. Planning for military operations will become more difficult as the government reforms its command and control structures. The government might try to ameliorate some of these problems by restoring military personnel previously ousted by by the Gulenists themselves, but this will not happen quickly.
The Curse of Timing
This could not come at a worse time. The Turkish military is heavily engaged in fighting the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) and entangled in Syria and Iraq. A military weakened in the aftermath of a failed coup will present Ankara with fewer tools to handle these challenges. The much-touted possibility of a Turkish military push into Syria is now too risky. This is also true of an expanded Turkish military presence in Iraq, as the push to drive the Islamic State from Mosul gears up. Turkish operations against the PKK may also suffer, though it is unlikely that they will grind to a complete halt.
Turkey’s military incoherence will also complicate regional efforts by other powers. U.S. efforts against the Islamic State rely heavily on Turkey as a base for air operations. Washington also relies on Turkey to cut off the logistical lines to the extremist group. With Ankara distracted, support for its rebel proxies in Syria may also wane. This would weaken an already beleaguered rebel movement. For the Kurdish People’s Protection Units (YPG) in Syria, Turkish infighting could provide an opening to expand and connect Kurdish-controlled territorial pockets.
On paper, Turkey’s military appears one of the most powerful in the region. But low morale and dissent often reveal the cracks in a military’s perceived strength. These hidden weaknesses are often masked by massive troop numbers and modern equipment, only becoming clear during mutinies and coups. The Turkish military will now need to turn inward to deal with the disruptive effects of the attempted coup — and the threat this coup posed to the ruling party. It will take years for Turkey’s armed forces to recover. These are years that Turkey does not have. Instability in the region is only deepening, and Turkey desperately needs to help contain this chaos while building up its own position.
Stratfor
How in the world Stratfor ever managed the PR coup of getting itself called the “Shadow CIA” is beyond me. In my opinion, Stratfor is in the business of providing scenarios that please the neocons. As a fantasist, it is like a smaller Hollywood, in the print medium. It is only useful to detect the wish-lists and dreams of the neocons.
It was always an overrated intelligence unit – someone in a thread once called it “The Economist at $20K per year subscription” – but in recent years there’s been a real increase in this pandering to the fantasies of the neocons.
I think that’s what we’re seeing in this report. Clutching at straws, the US wishes Turkey would be damaged by this coup. No way.
“Now see what STRATFOR is saying about coup in Turkey”
Who gives a rat’s arse. Why waste people’s time with this zio-gay toss?
42 Helicopters Missing in Turkey Sparking Concerns of a Second Coup Attempt
http://sputniknews.com/news/20160717/1043162524/helicopters-turkey-coup-erdogan-weapons.html
“At least 42 helicopters have gone missing from Turkey’s military inventory in the wake of the failed coup attempt on Friday evening causing concern that there may be another act to the attempted overthrow of Erdogan.
NATO also maintains roughly 90 tactical nuclear weapons at the Incirlik Air Base, from where the 42 helicopters have gone missing, causing concern about the security of US weapons in Turkey and raising the specter that terrorists may ultimately be able to get their hands on advanced weaponry or potentially a nuclear bomb.”
Gosh, it is suddenly looking rather reckless for the USA to have relied on Turkey as a parking place for its nuclear bombs.
Katherine
NATO also maintains roughly 90 tactical nuclear weapons at the Incirlik Air Base, from where the 42 helicopters have gone missing, causing concern about the security of US weapons in Turkey and raising the specter that terrorists may ultimately be able to get their hands on advanced weaponry or potentially a nuclear bomb.”
Oh, how convenient.
Now there is a pretext for the USA to provide ISIS with nukes.
It gets more intriguing, note the last part of this article.
Did Turkey Just Threaten War Against the United States After Failed Coup?
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160717/1043173747/turkey-washington-obama-kerry-erdogan.html
“The situation for the United States is now as perilous as ever with Turkey in possession of roughly 90 US tactical nuclear weapons that are stored at the Incirlik Air Base. Turkish officials have blocked access to the air base and the commander in charge of securing those weapons was arrested on Sunday.”
And this follow up of the above news:
US Denies Asylum to Turkey’s Incirlik Base Ex-Commander
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043179468/us-denies-asylum-turkey-commander.html
“The United States rejected asylum application of Gen. Bekir Ercan Van, former commander of Turkey’s Incirlik air base, who is accused by Ankara of involvement in the attempted coup, The New York Times reported on Sunday, citing a source.
Gen. Van was later arrested by the Turkish authorities, the newspaper adds.”
New development – breaking:
2,000 Police Troops Summoned in Istanbul, Ordered to Down Helicopters
http://sputniknews.com/world/20160718/1043180237/emergency-measures-istanbul.html
“Emergency measures have been taken in Turkey’s Istanbul, as 1,800 additional police troops were deployed in the city and ordered to shoot down helicopters without prior warning, local media reported on Monday, citing a police source.
Special operation troops are deployed in strategic locations of the city while military hardware is arriving to the city, Anadolu agency said. The emergency provisions are underway in response to at least three helicopters flying over Istanbul that have been hijacked away from the Erdogan government.
As Sputnik News reported earlier, there are at least 42 helicopters that have gone missing in the aftermath of the coup which left many to expect that a second attempt at an overthrow of the Erdogan government was imminent. The Erdogan government has responded by dispatching F-16s to command the airspace and assembling 2000 police officers who are ordered to shoot down the renegade helicopters without warning.
The city of Istanbul is now under a state of emergency while the government attends to the ongoing security threat from at least three helicopters that have been snatched from the Erdogan government and are patrolling the skies allegedly with an intent to attack Turkish officials and the public.
It has now been reported that there are a total of five helicopters being flown by anti-Erdogan forces that are barreling into Istanbul for a direct conflict.”
Apparently the coup attempt is still on going.
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950427001458
Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:0
Arrest Warrant Issued for President Erdogan’s Top Military Aide Following Coup Attempt
The warrant was issued against Col. Ali Yazici following Friday’s failed coup attempt. It wasn’t immediately clear what role, if any, Yazici played in the attempted coup that started late Friday, Anadolu reported.
Earlier reports suggest top commander of Incirlik air base was also arrested by the Turkish police on Sunday.
Pepe 17th
Ankara’s official version is that the coup was perpetrated by a small military faction remote-controlled by exiled-in-Pennsylvania cleric Fethullah Gulen, himself a CIA asset. As much as responsibility remains debatable, what’s clear is the coup was a Turk remix of The Three Stooges; the actual stooges in fact may have been the already detained 2nd Army Commander Gen. Adem Huduti; 3rd Army Commander Erdal Ozturk; and former Chief of Air Staff Akin Ozturk.
http://en.ria.ru/columnists/20160717/1043158581/erdogan-turkey-coup.html
Fethullah Gülen is a cleric who leads the global Hizmet movement from exile in Pennsylvania, United States. He is a critic of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and remains influential in Turkish affairs.
In spite of this, Gülen was increasingly becoming critical of the Turkish government. In 1999, he left for treatment to the United States and no longer returned to his homeland, after which his relations with the authorities of Turkey deteriorated sharply.
http://en.ria.ru/politics/20160717/1043170010/muslim-cleric-turkey-coup.html
“Erdogan correctly calculated that the EU wants nothing to do with his country and that Turkey is unable to milk extra benefits from the bloc after the Brexit referendum, so he recalibrated his state’s foreign policy to align with the multipolar world instead.”
I think the main source of friction between Erdogan/Turkey and Western imperialism is the former’s neo-Ottoman ambitions/delusions (including Erdogan’s massive home popularity). Granted, Erdogan would be very happy to bring regime change abroad — and not only to Syria, mind you — but being the astute embodiment of political will-power that he is (again, just compare him to the EU zio-gays) he has certainly learned the ugly lessons taught by Western imperialism as it sodomised Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gadaffi. For all his delusions of grandeur, Erdogan knows that to Western imperialism everyone of its vassals has a “Best Before” date attached. And given Turkey’s permanent internal conflicts and civil war, his government is vulnerable to Western political blackmail.
With the West itself increasingly chaotic, mad, and dangerous, Erdogan eventually got cold feet but didn’t lose his resolve in face of a coup d’état.
It seems the main US card remaining in Turkey, now that most of the “revolutionary contacts” have been terminated, remains the Kurds. Russia should now force Erdogan to negotiations with the Kurds and act as a mediator on the topic of Kurdistan. It could make future US threats more irrelevant. The alternative seems to be more potentially very dangerous chaos.
Despite many people saying it was Erdogan’s own doings the other possibility is that somehow he got tipped off on what was coming and saw it as much as an opportunity for them to make the first move. The lists of personal enemies could have easily existed for a long time already. The involvement of the NATO airbase in launching the rebel craft certainly suggests he didn’t just plan it himself.
Turkish Coup Plotted to Stop Mending of Russia-Turkey Ties – Serbian FM
http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160717/1043165908/turkey-coup-serbia.html
“I am sure that the coup [in Turkey] has a lot of influences from the outside…. It is now clear that the Russian plane was taken down by the pilot who belonged to the same group as those behind the coup, and now that Turkey renewed its ties with Russia, it clearly did not suit someone,” Ivica Dacic said as quoted by b92 broadcaster.”
It’s come down to picking which version of the heroic sultan & Erdo’s plane in the sky while the coup was on you want to believe—here’s rooters:
At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan’s plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him,” a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
“Why they didn’t fire is a mystery,” he said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
the whole world wonders:
http://guardianlv.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Erdogan1.jpg
These often repeated questions were also answered at Sorcha Faal’s: RU detected the plot in Oct 15, was NOT silent towards Erdogan, but warned him instead. Erdogan then wrote his letter to Vlad who then decided to send some polite Russkies for protecting Erdogan. The F16 that tried to down Erdogan’s plane was steered by the same CIA mole who shot the SU24 on order from Langley, but this time the polite ones had everything under control and blocked the trigger. Sounds plausible to me.
bp
Very clever written – spot on.
Gladio or something nipping at the edges did’nt even let the weekend pass without a response.
While they fill in time debating their next move in Turkey.
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/17/475651/Armenia-hostage-taking
Armenia, supposedly a valued russia friend
A police officer has been killed and two others have been wounded in a rare case of hostage-taking in the Armenian capital of Yerevan.
Armed men from an opposition group stormed the police headquarters in Yerevan’s Erebuni district at dawn on Sunday and began exchanging gunfire with the police, Armenia’s National Security Service said in a statement.
http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950427001525
TEHRAN (FNA)- Iranian and Armenian officials in a meeting in Yerevan on Sunday signed a memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to broaden their cooperation in campaign against administrative and financial corruption.
The MoU was signed by Head of Iranian General Inspectorate Organization Nasser Seraj and Armenian Chairman of Investigative Committee Aghvan Hovsepyan.
@ OP/Andrew:
Do you have any comments about the suspicious timing on this “so-called” failed coup?
Because from where I’m standing… it looks like this “much ado about nothing – event,” which in turn: bumped the Nice terror attack off the headlines in just a few hours just nicely (world-wide, btw), kindda looks like a convenient distraction.
And never mind that Turdogan is hell-bent on waging “holy” jihad on his perceived “enemies,” (by smuggling crazy jihadists into Europe and anywhere else he can get away with), while at the same time pretending to be their best of bestests friend….
So, I donno… for all we know, he might have vested interests in his Ottoman revival and he’s “running interference” to cover for his little murderous foot soldiers running riot in Europe (and dog knows where else).
But also; just to bump the Nice story even further down the MSM story items: we had a new shooting of policemen in the US today… (mind you, that has probably more to do with the upcoming Republican Convention in Cleveland, than it has to do with suppressing the things that happened in Nice).
Am I not to supposed to connect the rather obvious dots?
Riiight… :/
-TL2Q
A very interesting last couple of days. And Sunday is not disappointing with that either. There were reports earlier that dozens of helicopters were missing from the Incirlik Air Base (joint US/NATO-Turkish). I’m not of course certain if that report is true. Or if the chaos of the coup aftermath has confused things. But Erdogan had been in Istanbul until now. And several “unknown” (unauthorized?) helicopters are reported by RT as being seen flying over Istanbul a few hours ago.A “state of emergency” has been declared in the city and an additional 1800 special forces troops are now patrolling the streets. While RT says Erdogan’s plane has now taken off carrying him to Ankara.This may all be nothing. But it could also mean the coup isn’t totally over yet.
Usa government is using Fethullah Gulen as their puppet, how.. Can you imagine USA government let islamic group leader in their country? Of course not ( if they can not use them as their puppet) check on internet Fethullah Gulen living very comfortable in Penysylvania and usa government protect to them like their private security by innocent USA ppl’s high tax. Fethullah having private school plenty of foreign country, their teachers spy and usa using to them.
Noone terrorist is legal, they save Fethullah Gulen’s terrorist group
Does other country should save el kaide ( of course not)
Usa government shouldn’t defence terrorist they should pack him and send Turkey.
If you save and support terrorists today you will have trouble one day with terrorists like Belgium, they was keep supporting to pkk and let them live in their country ( pkk is kurdish terrorists) . Belgium in nato Turkey in nato too. How’s their treatment you think it’s fair? Of course not and they was see it after their country terrorist attack ( i hope they realised)
You guys keep saying Turkey having trouble with every country, what else their neighbours supporting terrorists against to Turkey they have not choice, they should protect themselves.
Regards
According to the Times this morning there are also 14 Turkish naval vessels (presumably with crew) unaccounted for, no link as it has a paywall but twitter has the page:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/tomorrowspaperstoday?src=hash&lang=en-gb
Also reported is that Erdogan has denied legal representation and family contact to all the thousands arrested.
Not a comment but a question here. What will the status of Turkey be regarding NATO? Can they be ‘buddies’ with Russia and maybe Iran, and still be part of NATO?
you almost had me interested in the analysis but being from izmir where Gulen bases his terror network from we have a more birds eye view of our country’s complex issues.
failing to mention that Gulen is an American invention is strange considering you are an American invention in Russia.
you miss the fact that us Turks don’t care to be in the EU, nor do we care to have your military base in our country. we are not interested in becoming your McDonalds and your vessel for invading and creating situations where only your military contractors benefit.
eurasian identity wouldn’t make sense as we don’t all have eurasian identity, but rather this is another one of your American inventions to corner the energy supply of Central Asia while you continue being at war with Russia and China in a proxy type psychotic way that america is, making war and unrest where there is none and then profiting off the chaos it creates, in the american way.
let me ask you who pays your salary?